I personally have very high regard for Pat and her opinions because she has a very good handle on the team, the cap and the personnel. So here are some of her thoughts on the roster and salary cap situation. Some are very interesting.
All of this is via Twitter.
Thanks Pat!
Let the conversation begin!
I do not think Ahmad Bradshaw is going to be cut. Might they restructure him? Possibly, though I don’t see it being a huge restructuring even if David Wilson moves ahead of him on the depth chart. There's simply no way to where they can drop AB's base salary below that of DW's, even if DW starts. |
I think Michael Boley could become a cap casualty. I could see Jacquian Williams taking over at WLB next year. |
I don’t think Corey Webster will be cut. While I would think his base salary would be in line for restructuring, this is the final year of his contract, and they might leave it as is just until they know for sure if Jayron Hosley is their future starter at that spot. |
I don’t know if David Diehl will be cut at least right away because right now, they don’t have any experienced depth at tackle on that roster. If James Brewer moves into the starting lineup, Diehl could be a reserve, though obviously not at such a high base salary. If, however, Diehl is cut before the start of the new league year, that is a sure sign that a veteran OL is high on their FA list. |
I have a strong suspicion that Will Beatty will be franchised, unless of course they reach a long-term deal with him. I could also see Victor Cruz getting the highest possible RFA tender if his contract isn’t resolved before the start of FA on March 12. |
I think Stevie Brown will get at least a second-round tender, though if the team gives him an original round tender, that is likely an indication about how they feel about Will Hill and his chances of starting sooner than later. I do not think Kenny Phillips returns. |
I have a strong hunch that Lawrence Tynes might not be back. Tynes is coming off a banner year, despite his little hiccups later in the season, and he’s certainly going to be an attractive free agent when he hits the market. Remember, this could be his final NFL contract, so I'm sure he'll want to make it really count. |
I wouldn’t be shocked if they re-sign Keith Rivers and maybe look at him as their middle linebacker next year. Yes, Rivers has been injury-prone, but when he’s been on the field, he’s often looked very, very good and they might give him another shot. |
If we're talking candidates for contract restructurings, I wonder if perhaps Chris Canty + Chris Snee might be asked to re-structure to lower their base salaries. I know Eli + Antrel Rolle are two guys most would like to see restructured, but Eli restructured last year while Rolle has played very well. While Canty and Snee both dealt with injury issues this year, and Snee is coming off a Pro Bowl season, I think those will be two contracts to keep an eye on. |
If I have to guess right now on the highest area of needs, I’d say in no particular order: cornerback, offensive tackle, and defensive tackle are right up there. I know some of you think linebacker should be in there as well, and that area will probably get some new depth, but I think the three positions I listed earlier in this post are probably of a higher priority given the current depth situation. |
Maybe they'll agree to that in advance of the season though or something like that.
restructuring isn't risk free though. For the players, it's almost irrelevant, since they're not getting less money, but it usually involves the team guaranteeing more of the salary or adding years in order to get the player to agree to restructure. in general it's just moving money around, but not quite.
-Will Beatty
The FT for OL is almost 10M, the Giants could prob sign Beatty to a 3 or 4 year deal with only slightly more guaranteed than that. Front load a deal, and then if he's unhealthy of regresses they can cut him fairly painlessly, I doubt he remains on the FT tag if it's even applied.
The advantage of not restructuring is zero cap hit next year
I believe David Diehl has to be cut before 3/12 if we're going to have any room to be a player in FA. He may still be around to re-sign before Camp starts.
I don't know about Kieth Rivers as a MLB. At 235-240 lbs he may not have the heft to play the middle. We're too soft there as it is.
Giants won two SBs with Webster and Ross (technically Madison started XLII) and spare parts at CB, sometimes people forget how much an improved pass rush/DL improves a secondary.
I'd cut Webster if it meant freeing up cash for improving the team in other places.
Could Hosley possibly be any worse? I don't think so. At this point (or at least they way he played at the end of the year) anyone would be better than Webster.
There are plenty of potential free agent CB's capable of starting that come cheaper than Webster's $7 million salary.
On a separate note, not having a healthy Terrell Thomas is really hurting this team.
The agent used Steven Jackson as an example of someone that restructured twice last summer.
Searched for it but didn't find it.
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I'm in the camp that sees linebacker as a huge need area for this defense. Boley is slipping. Williams didn't prove anything in his second year except he doesn't come back from injury quickly. Kiwi is probably going back to DE full time leaving a gaping hole at SAM. There is no credible MIKE on this roster. So how isn't this a high priority? Paysinger was underwhelming.
I would take a chance on Rivers - he is cheap and can play. As always the question mark is health. 1 of these years he has to be healthy.
I find a different vet T than Deihl, especially if Brewer is the RT. They have done very well finding a guy for RT. Right now any guy is better than Deihl
He is cheap...he isn't signed so how cheap will he be? You know his agent wants to get him paid.
1 of these years he has to be healthy...why? His track record proves he isn't durable. How is he suddenly going to reverse this?
restructure Webster, Bradshaw, and Canty.
sign a vet OL.
Find ways to retain Beatty, Brown, Rolle, Cruz, and Bennett.
Beatty the Giants have to find a way to keep him, they have enough problems along the line. Dont want to have to look at that spot too.
Webster, they need the Vet for one more season, hopefully they can cut his salary a bit.
Salary Cap
Giants 9.1 million over? Twitter conversation between Pat Inside Football and Joel Corry agent, National Football Post writer
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Patricia Trainaþ@Patricia_Traina
Will Reese make a "splash" this year the way he did a few years ago with Rolle? ..”& lt;& gt;have to see how much $$ is available.
JanJoel Corryþ@corryjoel
The Giants are approximately $9.1M over the cap. Eli Manning's $20.85M cap # makes him a restructure candidate.
Patricia Trainaþ@Patricia_Traina
Except he just redid his del last year -- they'd have to wait to do it again.
Joel Corryþ@corryjoel
The 1 year wait applies to salary increases. Eli converted base salary into signing bonus w/o increasing salary.
Patricia Trainaþ@Patricia_Traina
that would make sense then.
Joel Corryþ@corryjoel
As an agent, I had a team force a pay cut on a client twice during the same off-season.
Patricia Trainaþ@Patricia_Traina
I thought that wasn't allowed to occur within a 12-month period?
Joel Corryþ@corryjoel
The one year wait is for increases only. Steven Jackson made changes to his deal twice during this season.
Patricia Trainaþ@Patricia_Traina
Makes sense. But I sure would like to know if the projected cap numbers being reported include projected tenders.
Joel Corryþ@corryjoel
Players haven't been tendered. I'm assuming Victor Cruz will get the $2.879M 1st round tender but franchising is an option.
Patricia Trainaþ@Patricia_Traina
My guess is Beatty gets the franchise tag. Doesn't make sense to tender a RFA IMHO.
Patricia Trainaþ@Patricia_Traina
And if players not tendered, how can they be over the cap with 22 contracts expiring and less than 51 under contract?
Joel Corryþ@corryjoel
They are right at 51 players. Futures contracts count for the top 51.
Joel Corryþ@corryjoel
I agree about franchising a RFA. It's overkill since RFAs hardly ever sign offer sheets with another club.
Patricia Trainaþ@Patricia_Traina
Plus LTs harder to come by unless you have a top 10 pick or a ton of cap space.
I suspect Boley, Philips, Bradshaw, Webster are all candidates for restructure/cuts
Patricia Trainaþ@Patricia_Traina
Phillips a UFA. And of the others, maybe one in serious danger.
Joel Corryþ@corryjoel
Corey Webster has the 2nd highest cap number on the Giants. 2013 is also his contract year.
Patricia Trainaþ@Patricia_Traina
He'll likely get a reduction, but I don't see him being cut
2. DL
Kenny Phillips is another player in the secondary who seemed to be a complete shell of himself after returning from his injury vs NO. From the point on he looked nothing like he had during the first 4 weeks, where in a 243 attempted passes vs his zone coverage he had allowed a mere 2 completions. I think the fact that Stevie Brown played so well in his absence and the team clearly holding Will Hill in high regard makes it possible for them to hopefully bring him back to a team friendly deal. When healthy, KP is one of the most underrated safeties in the NFL. He excels in both man and zone coverage and plays the deep center better than anyone. His career has been plagued with injuries, but he has flashed brilliance often when he has been able to maintain health. In a perfect world, he would be able to accept a contract as the teams 3rd safety. When Grant was inserted as the Heavy Safety/Light LB the team seemed to really play well against the spread offenses that are becoming more and more prevalent through out the NFL. Teams stressing TE's as weapons down the middle only puts more emphasis on someone like KP to return. I would be very disappointed if he doesn't return next year, I do see that injuries have taken a toll on him, but he is on one of my favorites and most underrated players year after year.
Justin Tuck, largely regarded as a leader on the team and the heart of the defense looked like he was a beaten and broken man throughout most of the season. As hard as it would be to see him go, especially with the likelihood of Osi returning seeming to be an impossibility at this time, I think this year has left him open to possibly facing a restructuring of his deal or being cut, unfortunately. Moves like this are never popular with the fans, but if there wasn't an injury or mental reason for his diminished play these are the type of moves where franchises suffer from holding onto a name for just a bit too long. I love Tuck for all he has done wearing the Blue 91, but it was sad to watch someone who had been so dominant for periods seem to have nothing left. Luckily, the decisions are left up people who have far more knowledge of his inner workings and possible injuries leading to his decline than I, but it wasn't easy to watch. As tough as it would be to see him elsewhere it seems possible.
I think its pretty safe to say that Boley will not return. He gave added speed needed when the team went for an influx of athleticism a few years ago, but unless he returns in a diminished roll, I think its time to see if J Williams and the rest of the younger more recent draft picks can take over full time there.
Canty is a very interesting player to watch this coming off season. The man is clearly a monster and the defense gained an immediate boost upon his returning form the PUP. Slowly he and the rest of the DL went on the decline. I think it was more of the collective group failing than squarely on any individuals shoulders, but he wasn't the same dominant force in the middle he had been when he and Linval were absolutely tossing interior lineman aside through out the playoff run. I hope to see that he would be willing to return on a restructured deal, because I don't think he is in anyway finished. His lack of a proper off season seemed to leave much desired when it came to the stretch run that he did not seem to have.
I think its much easier offensively to see who will not be returning. Diehl was replaced by a veteran in Locklear who had just joined the team and his absence was an upgrade. He was awful at guard and left something to be desired at RT. Its possible his off season transgressions took something away from him on the field, but he has seemed to be on the decline for a couple of years now. Hopefully, Brewer is ready to step in at RT and Beatty can continue to improve at LT.
If Brown can make another return from an ACL injury, I think he added what this offense had lacked for many years when it came to the hard tough yards. Time after time on 3rd and short he stuck his nose in there and picked up the slack. Wilson showed he can explode on any given play, Bradshaw is still the heart of the team, and Brown found a niche and played very well in it. If all goes well it would be nice to see him return.
The OL really needs a youth and depth infusion. Lets face it, there isn't one starter other than a healthy Snee who is really above average. And at this point Snee seems to be fighting injuries as much as DTs.
You have to resign him
Gonna put Diehl back there?
Boothe is up for renewal too. Do we let the entire left side walk away?
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Rivers as our Mike? Hell no! Maybe if he hit the weight room hard first....
I certainly think he's solid but not anywhere near worth 10 mil for 1 year, and a long term deal where he costs the Giants 8 mil or more per scares the shit out of me. Back issues added to the fact that I don't think he will get any better at this point. I think his value is more that there's no one else on the team or in FA ,not that he's that good.
I honestly for the first time in a long time think the Giants are in deep shit as far as the OL goes. Huge depth issues and IMO there isn't one guy who if they can draft right can't be replaced without me thinking it is for the best in the long run. I'd like to see a CB, a DL, and two OLs in the first 4 rounds.
If I were Eli I would be a bit concerned. I pray Brewer steps up.