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Giants re-sign William Beatty!

Anakim : 2/27/2013 2:56 pm
Jenny Vrentas & #8207;@JennyVrentas
LT Will Beatty re-signed with the Giants today on a 5-year, $37.5M deal (up to $38.75 w/incentives), per source. $19M fully guaranteed. #nyg
Nice  
Sneakers O'toole : 2/27/2013 2:56 pm : link
and the first block falls into place!
woohoo  
Mr. Nickels : 2/27/2013 2:56 pm : link
!!
I'm glad they signed him  
bigblue12 : 2/27/2013 2:57 pm : link
but that is a lot of money
This is very good news  
Headhunter : 2/27/2013 2:57 pm : link
very good indeed!
good deal  
GMenLTS : 2/27/2013 2:57 pm : link
next. Cruz.
fuck yes  
NewYorkGiants : 2/27/2013 2:57 pm : link
very happy right now

Arguably our top offseason priority is done  
Kyle in NY : 2/27/2013 2:58 pm : link
Now get this Cruz deal in place.
That's a good  
Dave in MD : 2/27/2013 2:58 pm : link
deal for both sides.
In 4 years I hope we aren't complaining about how  
Curtis in VA : 2/27/2013 2:58 pm : link
overpaid he is and that he's why the Giants don't have any cap room lol
freaking awesome  
redbeard : 2/27/2013 2:58 pm : link
get cruz locked up and I'll get off the ledge
Excellent excellent news  
Overseer : 2/27/2013 3:00 pm : link
Congrats, also, to Anak for the sticky even though Mort beat him by a split second. This should make up for the Lebron thread which superseded yours. March on!
Woo Hoo....dominos  
GiantBlue : 2/27/2013 3:00 pm : link
here we go boys......Beatty is the first domino and the rest will fall.....Go Jerry! Go Jerry!!! Cruz, Bennett
also, now that we resigned Beatty maybe we will finally  
redbeard : 2/27/2013 3:00 pm : link
cut bait with Diehl and free up even more caproom
ouch... thats a ton of dough....  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/27/2013 3:01 pm : link
hope we have dough for cruz
Seem like the going rate for an upper echelon LT.  
Curtis in VA : 2/27/2013 3:01 pm : link
Its probably fair.
Nice......  
Giantmaniac616 : 2/27/2013 3:01 pm : link
Keep it poppin' Reese!
Deal they had to make.  
GP : 2/27/2013 3:02 pm : link
Good.
Is  
Jon in NYC : 2/27/2013 3:02 pm : link
~8 mil per what was expected?
That is IMO a great deal for a starting LT  
Headhunter : 2/27/2013 3:02 pm : link
the 3rd or 4th most important position on the team. Very reasonable
I'd like to hear Milton's thoughts on this one now lol  
David in LA : 2/27/2013 3:02 pm : link
.
it is  
Dave in MD : 2/27/2013 3:03 pm : link
less than the franchise number for tackles.
I think that's a fair deal.  
Boy Cord : 2/27/2013 3:03 pm : link
How much less did you think the Gmen were goin to get him? That's to Curtis.
redbeard,  
GiantFilthy : 2/27/2013 3:03 pm : link
agreed. I expect Diehl news to hit the next day or two.
Seems like a reasonable deal  
Reale01 : 2/27/2013 3:03 pm : link
What do you all think?
SIGN CRUZ  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/27/2013 3:04 pm : link
PLEASE
19M Guaranteed  
I wanna be Torbor, sucka : 2/27/2013 3:04 pm : link
says to me the Giants do not have very many concerns when is comes to Beatty. They are expecting him to perform for the life of that contract.
Boy Cord,  
Curtis in VA : 2/27/2013 3:04 pm : link
I think its a fair deal too. I said that right? I was responding to the post above mine.
Also  
Reale01 : 2/27/2013 3:05 pm : link
Thank God, now he can afford to get a good mattress to sleep on during training camp.
Maybe one for Austin as well  
Reale01 : 2/27/2013 3:06 pm : link
:-)
the guarantee  
Dave in MD : 2/27/2013 3:06 pm : link
is likely the bonus and the base salary for the first two years. Years 4 and 5 don't mean as much, though the money is likely much higher in those years.
Priority number one locked up  
JonC : 2/27/2013 3:06 pm : link
Now, decide on Diehl, make some cap space and get Cruz locked up, if possible.

From here, we should also see a decision on Webster, and others.
I keep hearing its a ton  
OPBigBlue00 : 2/27/2013 3:07 pm : link
of money. Is it really for a quality left tackle? For those that wanted Long how much dop you think he wanted
Necessary signing  
jeff57 : 2/27/2013 3:07 pm : link
But still 1 or 2 holes on the OL to plug.
Capologists  
JonC : 2/27/2013 3:08 pm : link
what ballpark do you envision its structure in terms of cap hits?
any chance  
Mr. Nickels : 2/27/2013 3:08 pm : link
Lane Johnson's combine performance caused this movement?

I feel we won't get a shot at any of the top olinemen. Now if they all get drafted before us it could push our guy to us.

8 million a year for a starting LT is fair  
Anakim : 2/27/2013 3:08 pm : link
Adam Caplan ‏@caplannfl
Will Beatty's 5 yr, $38.75 M deal with $19 M guaranteed includes a $12.5 M signing bonus, per source.
a little premature for this  
GIANTSr01 : 2/27/2013 3:09 pm : link
Quote:
19M Guaranteed
I wanna be Torbor, sucka : 3:04 pm
says to me the Giants do not have very many concerns when is comes to Beatty. They are expecting him to perform for the life of that contract.


You need to see the structure of the deal first. How much of that guaranteed money is in guaranteed base salary, how much is signing bonus, etc.?
His intial cap hits  
JonC : 2/27/2013 3:10 pm : link
shouldn't be painful, given $12.5M bonus.
excellent news  
WeatherMan : 2/27/2013 3:11 pm : link
and a good rate for a starting LT too, not an overpay as would likely be required had the team needed to replace him in the open market.
Is  
Jon in NYC : 2/27/2013 3:11 pm : link
the 12.5 bonus included in the 37.5?
$12.5M signing bonus  
GIANTSr01 : 2/27/2013 3:11 pm : link
prorated that's $2.5M cap hit over the deal which is very reasonable for a solid, starting LT. I'm guessing the other $6.5M is in guaranteed base salaries in 2013 and 2014. Probably signifies a very backloaded deal, but we'll see.
Nice  
Randy in CT : 2/27/2013 3:12 pm : link
.
Jon  
GIANTSr01 : 2/27/2013 3:12 pm : link
usually
Seems like an overpayment  
JoeyBigBlue : 2/27/2013 3:12 pm : link
But Beatty was a pressing need on this team. Now I'm hoping Diehl is released, so we can get our cap situation in order.
not an overpay at all  
Dave in MD : 2/27/2013 3:14 pm : link
in fact, it sounds like a fairly cap friendly deal.
I  
AcidTest : 2/27/2013 3:14 pm : link
defer to others, but that seems pretty fair given that he is an upper echelon, albeit not top 5, LT. But you have to believe somebody is going to get axed to make room for that contract. Or somebodys.
...  
Jon in NYC : 2/27/2013 3:15 pm : link
PFF
Only 8 OTs allowed fewer total pressures than Beatty last season and none allowed their QB to hit the deck fewer times than he did (sk+hit)
4 minutes ago from TweetDeck


PFF_Pete
HUGE move by the Giants to re-sign Will Beatty. One of only 4 OT this year with a +10.0 @PFF grade in both run and pass blocking.
7 minutes ago retweeted by PFF from TweetDeck
Joey  
GIANTSr01 : 2/27/2013 3:15 pm : link
the oline franchise tag value for 2013 is $9.4M. On average this deal is worth $7.7M/year which is almost 20% below the franchise tag level. Seems like a very good deal for both sides.
I'd like to compare his numbers against other LTs before  
ZogZerg : 2/27/2013 3:15 pm : link
saying it's a great deal. It was must signing for the Giants. But, that doesn't mean that they don't have any concerns about him.
we still have alot of pieces to fill...  
GMAN4LIFE : 2/27/2013 3:16 pm : link
i guess bennett wont be resigned for sure now... unless they let go of diehl...
.  
Will Allen/Peterson : 2/27/2013 3:18 pm : link
For those wanting to compare Beatty's contract to other left tackles...
Over the Cap - NFL Left Tackle Contracts and Salaries - ( New Window )
that's a very reasonable deal  
oipolloi : 2/27/2013 3:19 pm : link
Giants gave a little extra in guaranteed money to get the annual salary down. I think that is a good gamble.
Nice to hear some good news.  
bceagle05 : 2/27/2013 3:20 pm : link
I wanted no part of overpaying Jake Long or something.
Don't forget there are other FA OTs  
Racer : 2/27/2013 3:20 pm : link
out there, fellas. By committing early, JR may have saved himself from Beatty's people benchmarking against a higher number. We'll see.
I can't believe Jason Peters is getting almost 13 mil per year  
Curtis in VA : 2/27/2013 3:22 pm : link
Good grief.
They're  
Jon in NYC : 2/27/2013 3:22 pm : link
top 10 OT money to a guy who has a spotty injury history.

That is a little worrisome to me.
Jon  
gmen9892 : 2/27/2013 3:24 pm : link
Last year was basically Beatty's first full year starting at LT. Theoretically, he should only get better and hes already a borderline Top 10 LT.
Clady  
JonC : 2/27/2013 3:24 pm : link
Wait until Clady signs his new monster deal.

WB gets money that pays him bottom top 10, and NYG can structure the cap hits to be lower in the first three years, I gather.
I  
sin : 2/27/2013 3:26 pm : link
think this is a great contract for the Giants. IF healthy Beatty is Beast!
gmen  
Jon in NYC : 2/27/2013 3:26 pm : link
I know. My issue is not the play. It's him being able to play.
Will Beatty, I would argue, was one of the 5 best offensive players on  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/27/2013 3:27 pm : link
the team last year.
Ten Ton, he was definitely one of our top 5 best players on offense  
David in LA : 2/27/2013 3:28 pm : link
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If healthy he can outperform this contract a bit.  
the_fridge : 2/27/2013 3:28 pm : link
if not, he will underperform it. So, it seems pretty fair to me.
Baas is 6th highest paid center  
oipolloi : 2/27/2013 3:29 pm : link
Snee 6th highest paid guard


Those are the real overpays. Beatty becomes 10th highest paid tackle. That is not bad considering he just signed and salaries have been going up markedly this year.


Rolle is the 4th highest paid safety. Another overpay but one that is easier to justify, given what he brings to the table.
Sounds like a very fair deal  
4thand17 : 2/27/2013 3:30 pm : link
Giants have done well for themselves in the second round over the years - Beatty, Joseph, Snee, Strahan, Toomer, Tiki, Webster and Osi come to mind, and I think they had a number of picks on defense in the second round in '86 (Pepper and Collins, and a linemen or two - Dorsey or Erik Howard ? ). And T2 and Steve Smith were very solid picks who played very well but were derailed by injury.
Looks like a win-win  
Big Blue '56 : 2/27/2013 3:36 pm : link
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what is  
Mr. Nickels : 2/27/2013 3:39 pm : link
our cap number now?

I believe we were about 5 mill under now we are back to being 2 over?
great signing!  
andrew_nyg : 2/27/2013 3:40 pm : link
No way that is an overpay. Very reasonable number for a starting OLT.

Now draft a starting ORT, and sign Cruz at an equally reasonable number for a slot and we have a good start.
!!!  
Neverend : 2/27/2013 3:40 pm : link
I suspect his cap hit this year  
JonC : 2/27/2013 3:41 pm : link
would be approx $5M, given that's approx how much cap space we figured to have after re-doing Kiwanuka.
I think the deal is reasonable, but certainly not a bargain.  
BlueLou : 2/27/2013 3:45 pm : link
I don't see how we can keep Boothe after this, unless his market value is really a pittance. Which is what I expected.
Andrew, my suspicions are that we sign a cheap vet to compete  
David in LA : 2/27/2013 3:46 pm : link
with and push Brewer. I think this season is one where we will rely on a few of our previous draft picks to step up and replenish the roster.
You were not going to solve the LT spot at a bargain  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/27/2013 3:47 pm : link
Not overpaying and keeping the player you want is a victory.
Mr. Nickels  
GIANTSr01 : 2/27/2013 3:47 pm : link
No way to really know yet since they haven't released the full contract details yet. My guess would be a 2013 fully guaranteed base salary in the $2-3M range which would give him a 2013 cap hit of $4.5-5.5M.
Dude earned his money with good play and staying healthy.  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 2/27/2013 3:47 pm : link
Congrats and good luck for the rest of his years in Big Blue.
considering a starting OLT  
andrew_nyg : 2/27/2013 3:48 pm : link
a bargain is stretching it, the way the league is going nowadays.

the good news is, they can now give Diehl the take it or leave it pay cut without sweating it if he chooses to leave.

that should be enough cap space to get Cruz done for now.
My guess is that after all of the numbers come out the contract  
jlukes : 2/27/2013 3:50 pm : link
Will essentially be a 3 year deal. First two years salary will be guaranteed (probably 3 million this year and 4 next year.)
David if the young guys can be depended upon to that degree  
andrew_nyg : 2/27/2013 3:50 pm : link
that is VERY GOOD news for Reese and the Giants RE the cap.
Giantsr01-we are on the same page  
jlukes : 2/27/2013 3:51 pm : link
.
Clady  
Toth029 : 2/27/2013 3:52 pm : link
Will be much higher which drops him out of the top ten category. Jake Long will be overpaid, too.
It looks reasonable now, which means in 2 years  
jcn56 : 2/27/2013 3:52 pm : link
it'll look cheap. Sounds like a good job to me.

Now to see what happens to Diehl. Someone make sure Milton is OK?
Andrew, it's really the best case scenario for us  
David in LA : 2/27/2013 3:53 pm : link
Hopefully Brewer is another one of Reese's gems.
Good deal, 2 million less than the franchise number.  
old timer : 2/27/2013 3:54 pm : link
I think we got a bit of hometown discount.
Sam Baker will get more than beatty as well  
jlukes : 2/27/2013 3:54 pm : link
.
I know it's a longshot BUT  
andrew_nyg : 2/27/2013 3:55 pm : link
of the remaining FA's I am really hoping that Cruz AND Phillips get re-signed.
Wow. Good job, JR.  
Klaatu : 2/27/2013 3:55 pm : link
Now, go sign Larry Grant.
Nice contract for Beatty  
Spark Em Up 22 : 2/27/2013 3:57 pm : link
personally. Giants didn't overpay but didn't get a steal either.
Jcn,  
Big Blue '56 : 2/27/2013 4:00 pm : link
Milton's ok..He said that this signing does not mean Beatty will start over Diehl
with Long, Albert, Clady, Loadholt, etc  
GIANTSr01 : 2/27/2013 4:01 pm : link
Beatty good very well be outside the top 10 in average salary for tackles.

jlukes - I'm not so sure it's a "3 year deal" though. That would mean at least $5M dead money in year 4 based off the reported signing bonus.
This signing cements Beatty as the LT  
JonC : 2/27/2013 4:02 pm : link
only injury would change that, similarly to recent history.
Eh, hopefully he can stay healthy.  
Dave in Hoboken : 2/27/2013 4:08 pm : link
The cap number gets smaller with Cruz still unsigned.
His salary could shoot up in years 4 to the point where we'd save  
jlukes : 2/27/2013 4:10 pm : link
Money against the cap by releasing him. That's of course only if he has injury /performance issues.
ok now get rid of  
spike : 2/27/2013 4:10 pm : link
DD
Beatty's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/27/2013 4:14 pm : link
reaction...
Giants.com - ( New Window )
a restructure  
Dave in MD : 2/27/2013 4:16 pm : link
in year 4 is more likely. He's still a young guy. Shouldn't be done at that point.
My final guess at structure  
jlukes : 2/27/2013 4:17 pm : link
12.5 million signing bonus

Salaries
2013 $2.5 million fully guaranteed
2014 $4 million fully guaranteed
2015 $5 million
2014 $6.5 million
2015 $8.5 million
Should obviously read  
jlukes : 2/27/2013 4:19 pm : link
12.5 million signing bonus

Salaries
2013 $2.5 million fully guaranteed
2014 $4 million fully guaranteed
2015 $5 million
2016 $6.5 million
2017 $8.5 million
Sure they can save money by cutting him in year 4  
GIANTSr01 : 2/27/2013 4:19 pm : link
(hypothetically), but his base would need to be pretty ridiculous to make it worth absorbing $5M in dead money. I see the contract more like this:
Code:

2013: Base $3M____SB $2.5M______________________Cap Hit $5.5M
2014: Base $3.5M__SB $2.5M__Roster Bonus $250k__Cap Hit $6.25M
2015: Base $4M____SB $2.5M__Roster Bonus $250k__Cap Hit $6.75M
2016: Base $6M____SB $2.5M__Roster Bonus $250k__Cap Hit $8.75M
2017: Base $8.5M__SB $2.5M__Roster Bonus $250k__Cap Hit $11.25M
Total: $38.5M ($19M guaranteed*, $12.5M SB)

*2013/2014 base amounts guaranteed
me  
bELIeve92 : 2/27/2013 4:21 pm : link
happy
agree with Dave  
GIANTSr01 : 2/27/2013 4:21 pm : link
that a re-structure would be likely year 4, provided he remains healthy
I think that this is a very fair deal for both sides.  
yatqb : 2/27/2013 4:21 pm : link
I ecstatic that he's signed. One less major hole to be concerned with.
And that's exactly what I think will happen, his base salaries would  
jlukes : 2/27/2013 4:23 pm : link
Jump big time. It would also align with the projected jump in salary cap in 2015.
Horrible contract. Reese has o my himself  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/27/2013 4:23 pm : link
To blame. Let the line get older and had not enough good replaceable depth. Most overrated guy on BBI.
BTW on Sirius Pat Kirwan  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/27/2013 4:25 pm : link
Said thin legged guy who gets bull rushed a lot. PK very respected an one I the better analysts out there. Not a big fan of this contract at all.
Ok, so we have one critic  
David in LA : 2/27/2013 4:27 pm : link
Beatty was far and away our best OL last season, we got him back at a reasonable deal. What's not to like? Kirwan is good, but he's certainly not gospel, nor is his opinion infallible.
In other news, Dave Diehl now orders a less expensive wine with dinner  
Marty in Albany : 2/27/2013 4:27 pm : link
.
What does signing a young left tackle  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/27/2013 4:27 pm : link
have to do with "allowing the line to get older and not have enough depth"?
Matty, you're leaving out the fact that Kirwan said beatty was a good  
jlukes : 2/27/2013 4:27 pm : link
Player and this contract will be small compared to the deals Baker and the other LTs get. He said he understood why the Giants locked Beatty up before he hit the market.

What was our other option(s)????  
drkenneth : 2/27/2013 4:29 pm : link
Please do tell me...I like the deal, he will get better.
How did Reese let the line get younger  
David in LA : 2/27/2013 4:32 pm : link
when he invested a 2nd round pick on Beatty in 2009? He was a project coming in and delivered when he played. We made sure our investment in developing him wasn't wasted..
best part about this deal is it's very reasonable  
GMenLTS : 2/27/2013 4:33 pm : link
and we likely have not seen Beatty's best assuming he stays healthy and continues to improve
Good news......  
Simms11 : 2/27/2013 4:34 pm : link
he is a solid LT and quite frankly keeps some stability on teh left side. Now Reese has to address LG, RT and Oline depth. Much work still to do with limited resources. It will be interesting to see how he handles the cap now. Will Diehl now get cut, webster perhaps?
as it stands  
Mr. Nickels : 2/27/2013 4:37 pm : link
who is our left guard??
Beatty got a very nice raise!!  
Rflairr : 2/27/2013 4:45 pm : link
Very Nice
Great News!  
mrvax : 2/27/2013 4:45 pm : link
This signing is the most important for the 2013 off season.
Wow! Glad they got it done.

Lesson: Sometimes no news can be good news.
Now.....  
BillKo : 2/27/2013 4:47 pm : link
anyone see us going after that kind in Cincy...the RT?

Can the Giants afford him?

Then, draft a guard, round one.

Giants would be looking good.............
Dave in LA makes a good point  
mrvax : 2/27/2013 4:58 pm : link
All too often teams draft a player, coddle him, teach him and finally get him in some games. The the rookie contract is up and the bastid is lost to free agency. It would have sucked donkey nuts if a solid LT like Beatty could not be re-signed.
OK that probably riles out an ot at 19  
gmyers400 : 2/27/2013 4:58 pm : link
I doubt we spend our first on a rt. BTW ecstatic at the news now get cruz and nicks done
Same situation as Petitgout.  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/27/2013 4:59 pm : link
If Beatty stays healthy, it's a quality signing of an above-average LOT at a fair price. If not, the guaranteed money will suck.

Is it too early to start the David Diehl Appreciation Thread?
oh and to the critic  
gmyers400 : 2/27/2013 5:01 pm : link
Who the f you want us top get for less money? Out do you want us to let DD stay and play Lt? Fine them you pay Eli's medical bills when he gets killed.
Nice job JR  
HomerJones45 : 2/27/2013 5:04 pm : link
that's a very fair contract for a starting LT. You guys won't be complaining about that contract a year or 2 from now when Beatty is named to the Pro Bowl.
Good move  
old man : 2/27/2013 5:04 pm : link
One less major hole to fill.Changes little in the draft, we still draft ol/dl; may change FA signings off other teams to serviceable players/backup players instead of starters.Likely a Thank You DD thread will happen soon. Cruz is next signing, unless he is playing hardball; then we get somebodys 1st; and in this strong OL/DL draft, we could get younger for '14 very quickly at 19, X, and 49.
Does this mean...  
Milton : 2/27/2013 5:06 pm : link
I  
AcidTest : 2/27/2013 5:07 pm : link
don't think Cruz is going to be signed before FA. Sounds like they are too far apart. The Giants will simply tender him at the first round level, and see what somebody else offers, if anything. Even if they do, the Giants can still match.
Can we tender Cruz  
bradshaw44 : 2/27/2013 5:13 pm : link
to a 1st and 3rd? Or does it have to be just one draft pick?
This  
Kwazdukes : 2/27/2013 5:16 pm : link
Was huge........knew it was only a matter of time before it got done.
It was also a pleasant surprise for me to see in the Post that  
yatqb : 2/27/2013 5:21 pm : link
the Giants want to re-sign Boothe too. He's a very capable LG, and had a far better year than Snee, who should take a cut, since I've read that he's costing us $11M against the cap between salary and bonus this year.
Lauderdale Matty  
Jay on the Island : 2/27/2013 5:24 pm : link
Why don't you suggest who you wanted to Giants to sign to play LT? That is not a big contract for a LT and it is almost the same contract the Giants gave RT Kareem McKenzie back in 2005.
Milton-  
mrvax : 2/27/2013 5:24 pm : link
I don't think you are totally wrong. Diehl just had some sort of surgery, right? If he's healthy, I'm almost sure the Giants will work out something with him where he receives veteran minimum + bonuses if he wants to come back.

That would be a nice insurance policy if Dave can get 100% healthy. You never know what will happen as far as injuries go.
Maybe the reason the Giants haven't cut Diehl yet  
Jay on the Island : 2/27/2013 5:26 pm : link
is because of the surgery and they have to work out an injury settlement.
Now after this signing at this price,  
MOOPS : 2/27/2013 5:27 pm : link
does anybody think Cruz isn't worth at least $8 Million a year?
I'm hoping that Brewer, Mosley and some high draft choice  
yatqb : 2/27/2013 5:33 pm : link
pushes DD off the roster, or at least to a vet minimum contract.

I really appreciate what DD has brought to the team, but he seems just about done, even as a RT.
A couple of thoughts...  
Milton : 2/27/2013 5:34 pm : link
Quote:
General manager Jerry Reese called Beatty "one of the ascending left tackles in the NFL.

I want to get back on the field and keep ascending, keep rising," Beatty said. "The skys the limit for me. I know there is still a lot more out there. I havent tapped into all of my potential yet."

Given the size of the contract, I'd rather hear that he is one the best left tackles in the NFL than he is one of the ascending left tackles. It's a lot of money to pay a guy for his potential.

Also, the so-called guaranteed money is probably due to a split bonus, $12.5M in 2013 with a $5M roster bonus due in March 2014 and near-minimum veteran salaries both years. This would put the cap hits in 2013 and 2014 at roughly $3.25M and $4.5M respectively.
Matty...  
arcarsenal : 2/27/2013 5:42 pm : link
What does re-signing Beatty have to do with the line "getting older" ? Beatty will be 28 years old throughout next season. He's not old at all. This is a signing where we are likely to get his prime years and we didn't break the bank, either.

I'd love to hear what your contingency plan would have been in the event that we just let Beatty walk because I can tell you right now, a viable replacement is NOT currently on the roster. This is the franchise QB's blindside we're talking about.
Now we need a guard to  
Beer Man : 2/27/2013 5:50 pm : link
play next to him.
arc  
Jay on the Island : 2/27/2013 5:50 pm : link
He is probably going to suggest what that other idiot said where the Giants should start Mosley, McCants, or Capers at LT.
I still want  
Mr. Nickels : 2/27/2013 5:51 pm : link
Diehl back
Cruz is of course, ongoing.  
Big Blue '56 : 2/27/2013 5:52 pm : link
But let's lock up Boothe as well, if possible..An OL doesn't have to have great players. Just players who are on the same page with one another while bringing continuity
maybe  
Mr. Nickels : 2/27/2013 5:53 pm : link
our plan is the 2011 line with Diehl back to LG?
I like Boothe  
Jay on the Island : 2/27/2013 5:54 pm : link
and I think he is a good guard but I don't want to spend much to retain him. A 3 year 5.5 million deal is ok but i don't want to see him making much more than that.
Mr. Nickels  
Jay on the Island : 2/27/2013 5:57 pm : link
I hope you are joking because Diehl has always been a better tackle than guard and last season he was an awful tackle.
Jay,  
Big Blue '56 : 2/27/2013 5:58 pm : link
I don't think they will, nor will anyone else..I think 3 for $7 mill is reasonable also
Boothe's versatility is important.  
arcarsenal : 2/27/2013 5:59 pm : link
I would like to have him back as well. I can't see him being expensive.
Once the details come out...  
Milton : 2/27/2013 6:04 pm : link
It will likely boil down to the Giants being committed to a 3 year, $24M deal. So age is not an issue. He will be in his prime years throughout the "guaranteed" portion of the deal.
Let me get out my trust Milton checklist...  
Modus Operandi : 2/27/2013 6:15 pm : link
X - "Diehl is the superior LT"

X - "Diehl will start the season at LT"

X - "Diehl won two superbowls, therefore he's good"

X - "Beatty is soft"

X - "Beatty is a goner"

X - "McCants should start for us this season"


Yes, Milton. You're right in the way that Stan in LA is always right.

Let me get out my trust Milton checklist...  
Modus Operandi : 2/27/2013 6:15 pm : link
X - "Diehl is the superior LT"

X - "Diehl will start the season at LT"

X - "Diehl won two superbowls, therefore he's good"

X - "Beatty is soft"

X - "Beatty is a goner"

X - "McCants should start for us this season"


Yes, Milton. You're right in the way that Stan in LA is always right.

Mr. Nickels  
Will Allen/Peterson : 2/27/2013 6:16 pm : link
That would be a horrible plan. Diehl ranked last in the NFL in 2011 at guard in pass blocking efficiency.
Great deal  
UConn4523 : 2/27/2013 6:17 pm : link
right on target with what I expected. This was necessary.
Yes  
Mr. Nickels : 2/27/2013 6:18 pm : link
but until we have a lG he is the only player with LG experience
M.O.  
Milton : 2/27/2013 6:18 pm : link
Don't exaggerate. I didn't say two-thirds of those things you claim. Do me a favor and go find quotes to back up what you claim I said.
Oh wow.. I missed that Mr. Nickels post.  
arcarsenal : 2/27/2013 6:19 pm : link
Diehl can't even play RT effectively and now we want to slide him back inside to guard? Incredible stuff. I honestly wonder if the people who post this type of nonsense care at all about Eli Manning.
Beatty is in..  
Tark10 : 2/27/2013 6:21 pm : link
now get Boothe who can play guard or center.
Let's go down the check list  
Milton : 2/27/2013 6:30 pm : link
X - "Diehl is the superior LT"
Never said he had more talent, only that he was more reliable.

X - "Diehl will start the season at LT"
Never said it and never wanted it. I'm the guy who wanted Jake Long in 2008, Nate Solder in 2011, and Lane Johnson this year. All I said was that he was someone who can get the job done when called upon, meaning it would be safe to draft a rookie like Lane Johnson knowing you had a veteran like Diehl just in case.

X - "Diehl won two superbowls, therefore he's good"
I said Diehl won two Super Bowls, therefore we know we can win with him.

X - "Beatty is soft"
Never said it. I only said we have no idea if he can play hurt because he's never done it before.

X - "Beatty is a goner"
Yes, I predicted this. But I never said it was a certainty, because there was always the chance that his contract demands would be manageable. Admittedly, the contract he got was much greater than I thought it would be if he did come back.

X - "McCants should start for us this season"
Never been a McCants fan, don't know where you pulled this one from.

Hey, I'm willing to take the punishment for being wrong. But don't pile on a bunch of untruths along the way.
Milton  
Will Allen/Peterson : 2/27/2013 6:42 pm : link
You wanted Jake Long in '08? We had the 31st pick in the draft that year after winning the Super Bowl (New England's pick was taken away because of Spygate). How exactly were we supposed to put ourselves in position to have a realistic shot at drafting Long?

A couple of years ago you could win with Diehl  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/27/2013 6:44 pm : link
That ship has sailed.
now  
blue42 : 2/27/2013 6:56 pm : link
grab Fluker and you are set at tackle for the next five years of Eli's prime. I'd take Cooper as well for RG....one of the two.
Pointing that Diehl  
MookGiants : 2/27/2013 7:12 pm : link
won two Super Bowl's is nice and all, but he got his ass handed to him in 42 and nearly cost us the game. He was literally the only player on the field for the Giants that day who played like complete dogshit. Adalius Thomas was man handling him.
"Winning with" has become interchangeable with "winning in spite of."  
Riggies : 2/27/2013 7:15 pm : link
Re: Beatty. It's a good deal for an above average -- even if not top-top tier -- LT at his age, if he stays healthy.

Hopefully they can move on to getting other piece secured now that they have the guy that was their first priority done.
Awesome...  
BBurns : 2/27/2013 7:20 pm : link
Not Easy to come by and he is a good one .
Like to see them grab another stud at right tackle .
Will he be able to remain healthy?  
RDJR : 2/27/2013 7:25 pm : link
Only real question IMO. He can play when healthy.
I'm going to start calling you  
Modus Operandi : 2/27/2013 7:38 pm : link
Combine-Milton. Your cone and back-peddle are fucking off the charts.
I agree w/BlueLou about Boothe  
Optimus-NY : 2/27/2013 7:43 pm : link
Quote:
I think the deal is reasonable, but certainly not a bargain.
BlueLou : 3:45 pm
I don't see how we can keep Boothe after this, unless his market value is really a pittance. Which is what I expected.


Boothe is a guy who can be replaced, and I'd like to see if the Giants can improve upon him. If Jonathan Cooper is gone by 19 (I'm assuming Chance Warmack will be gone too---probably to Tennessee at 10), then Brian Winters and Justin Pugh would be players who should be available who would make sense in the 3rd round.

RT is a position which obviously must be addressed as well. Dallas Thomas or Terron Armstead in the 2nd round would do the trick there at that position.
Beatty and Cooper  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/27/2013 7:48 pm : link
Would be some fucking athletic left side, eh?
I wonder what the Giants REALLY think about D.J. Fluker  
Optimus-NY : 2/27/2013 7:49 pm : link
I've heard that they love him, based on an early report, but who really knows. This is the time of year where misdirection reigns supreme. Here's an example:

Quote:
According to SI's Tony Pauline, teams are "falling in love" with Alabama OT D.J. Fluker, and "some in (the) scouting community" believe he could go as high as No. 19 to the Giants.

Source: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8332/player


Is this fact or misdirection? Who knows--and I'm glad that I have to guess. When EA was here picks were telegraphed frequently. He was worse than a HS girl who got a date for the prom in February with his mouth. Thank God for Jerry Reese who keeps the flow of information much less frequent and under control.
Check out WA/WP's Link of LT Salaries  
Boy Cord : 2/27/2013 7:51 pm : link
There are five or six guys that will leap over Beatty his offseason or next. That puts Beatty mid pack. I think is an excellent deal for the Gmen. Not sure why here is so much negativity.
iPhones suck for posting  
Boy Cord : 2/27/2013 7:52 pm : link
.
Nice Try Milton, way to cover your ass  
David in LA : 2/27/2013 7:53 pm : link
instead of owning up to being about as wrong as humanly possibly on this topic.
If he  
SBlue46 : 2/27/2013 7:54 pm : link
doesn't play 16 games he got way too much
I  
AcidTest : 2/27/2013 7:59 pm : link
wouldn't count on Cooper, although it's possible he could still be there at #19. Watch Dallas take him right beforehand. Warmack I assume will be long gone. Fluker should be available. I'd be OK with him, but there are questions about his pass blocking. And what does drafting Fluker say about what the Giants think of Brewer, especially now that they have resigned Beatty? Are they planning to play Brewer at guard?
AnotherGiantsFan  
Will Allen/Peterson : 2/27/2013 8:01 pm : link
Yes it would. Cooper would be a tremendous pick at 19.
This offseason--free agency & the draft--is a great opportunity for  
Optimus-NY : 2/27/2013 8:04 pm : link
the Giants to improve the O-Line. Coughlin is NOT like EA when it comes to the O-Line. Philsophically, controlling the lines of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, is the first thing he wants to control. He said when he was hired here, and his coaching career everywhere he's been as the Head Man, bears this out.

The Jaguars were always tough and in control in the trenches when he was there. The Giants at their peak on the O-Line in 2008, were in firm control of the game with their fab 5 up front beating teams at the point of attack. Hopefully the Giants can get back to that approach with some personnel changes brought about via the draft going forward from today.

As long as TC lets the rookies breathe somewhat, like Reese intimated he'd like TC to do more of, then this team is in good shape. The veteran coaching here does as good of a job as any other staff in the league when it comes to coaching players up. O-Line coach, Pat Flaherty, is one of the unsung heroes on the staff. He'll continue doing a great job here. The scouts just need to get the horses in here. If they do, he'll coach them up and they'll be ready to go.
give me  
KsToNe498 : 2/27/2013 8:05 pm : link
Cooper and maybe we can actually be able to convert some damn 3rd/4th and shorts
I'd do backflips if we got Cooper at 19.  
arcarsenal : 2/27/2013 8:05 pm : link
I can't see him falling to us, though. If he gets to Dallas at 18, they'd probably nab him.
Yeah Cooper in round 1  
Jay on the Island : 2/27/2013 8:11 pm : link
And Carradine in round 2 would be amazing but highly unlikely.
AcidTest - I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the Cowflops take  
Optimus-NY : 2/27/2013 8:11 pm : link
Cooper at 18 right before our pick. In fact, that's where Gil Brandt has him going in his latest mock draft, with Fluker surprisingly going to the Bucs before that at pick #13 overall. Check it out here:

NFL Mock Draft: Tavon Austin breaks through - By Gil Brandt | Senior Analyst - Published: Feb. 26, 2013 at 09:22 p.m.

Beatty  
stretch234 : 2/27/2013 8:12 pm : link
This is a good contract for a core guy who is young. You don't mind giving guaranteed money to young guys you expect to be here for the duration

I expect to see similar deals for Nicks and Cruz in terms of guaranteed money. Slightly more for Nicks

It's hard to see Cooper falling to us  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/27/2013 8:26 pm : link
With teams like Dallas who desperately need a Guard..but when draft day comes, you see guards slip like clockwork.

Dallas needs serious help at Safety too. Now if you're Dallas, do you see the bigger drop-off in talent with a Guard from round 1 and 2, or with a Safety from round 1 and 2? I think they go with the playmakers at round 1. I do see it as a very realistic possibility that Cooper could get taken before Warmack though.
For you guys that think its an overpay  
Giants11 : 2/27/2013 8:30 pm : link
What exactly did you think we were paying a LT? The Vet minimum? Believe me anyone competent that we brought in was getting a lot more than this.
I also really don't want Fluker at #19  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/27/2013 8:31 pm : link
When you take OL in round 1, he better be a slam dunk day one starter...not some potentially amazing mauler.
AnotherGiantsFan  
Will Allen/Peterson : 2/27/2013 8:32 pm : link
Cooper is just as good a prospect as Warmack, IMO. Different types of guards, but both are elite. Scheme fit may very well be the determining factor that decides which player comes off the board first.

All I know is I don't want the Cowboys taking Cooper in the 1st and Reid in the 2nd. That's the draft I want for us!
Agreed WAP  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/27/2013 8:41 pm : link
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Dallas' OL is a Man Blocking scheme. While I'm sure Cooper can do that, he's tailor made for a zone blocking scheme..which might make teams like Dallas not wanting to use a 1st round pick on a guy who doesn't excel best in their system.
Guards  
KsToNe498 : 2/27/2013 8:48 pm : link
don't generally go in the top 20 let alone 2. I am hoping that one of either Cooper or Warmack will be there at 19.
What makes it less probable  
DonnieD89 : 2/27/2013 9:04 pm : link
with Cooper falling to #19 is the fact that he can possibly be converted to the center position. This could make Baas expendable. i am keeping my fingers crossed that he will be available.
Great news!  
Exit 172 : 2/27/2013 9:16 pm : link
Thanks for letting BBI know about this big news, Anak!
AnotherGiantsFan  
Will Allen/Peterson : 2/27/2013 9:18 pm : link
They've switched to a zone-blocking scheme under Callahan.
It's a great contract for Beatty.....  
Doomster : 2/27/2013 9:56 pm : link
Getting almost 8 mil per, for one full season as a starter....hopefully he stays healthy and can perform.....

The following year, if Snee doesn't get his act together, he and Rolle will be the sacrificial lambs, along with Tuck, Webster....Of course there is the possibility that Webster's head rolls with Diehl's this season.....need money for the Browns, Boothe, Bennett, Hixon, etc.
Sometimes..  
Q : 2/27/2013 10:14 pm : link
I wonder what some on BBI get from following the team.

Does bashing a player who gave his heart, soul, and body to your Sunday afternoons, an escape from your Monday thru Saturday, give you solace?

Raise your hand if you want to suit up to block Demarcus Ware to win the division.

I hope DD (5th round pick, two super bowl rings) retires a true blue Giant, and only when he and the team agrees its time.

And not when you on your comfy sofa in your man cave decides its time to end his career.



What he ^ said.  
BigBlueBuff : 2/27/2013 10:45 pm : link
That second line is very telling. There are a lot of folks on BBI who get their kicks from bashing players on the Giants. It's pathetic.
RV NYDN  
Defenderdawg : 2/27/2013 10:49 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano@RVacchianoNYDN

I haven't seen Will Beatty's deal yet, but I'm told his 2013 cap number is slightly more than $3.5 million -- very cap friendly.
More RV  
Defenderdawg : 2/27/2013 10:49 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano@RVacchianoNYDN

If that's right, the Giants would still be about $2M or so under the projected salary cap after the Beatty deal. They will need more room.
Nice!  
Beez : 2/27/2013 10:54 pm : link

Onward!
W/AP...  
bob in tx : 2/27/2013 10:57 pm : link
make that Cooper and Arthur Brown.Then Jamar Taylor in 3rd.
Will A/P  
Milton : 2/27/2013 11:06 pm : link
In the 2008 off-season Osi was already squawking about how now it's time to get paid. My idea was to package Osi with our first round pick to move into the top five for Jake Long. At the time, I didn't realize Long would go number one overall.

M.O., David--
I already admitted I was wrr...I was wrrr...I was not exactly right. But don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say.
bob in tx  
Will Allen/Peterson : 2/27/2013 11:35 pm : link
I'm hoping for Cooper in the 1st, Reid in the 2nd, and Bostic in the 3rd. But I like your version as well.
Milton  
Will Allen/Peterson : 2/27/2013 11:42 pm : link
Understood. Thanks for clarifying, though I don't think a package of the No. 31 pick and a disgruntled Umenyiora -- even the one coming off his '07 season -- would have been anywhere near enough to move into the top five in any draft.
re beatty  
Rob_MTL : 2/27/2013 11:53 pm : link
Im thrilled, this is excellent news. Eli deserves a good oline.

Fair deal
Where is this label coming from that Cooper  
robbieballs2003 : 2/28/2013 12:16 am : link
is better suited for a zone blocking scheme? They guy played a man blocking scheme at UNC. The guy can get out and pull like a Beast. He is scheme diverse.
robbieballs2003  
Will Allen/Peterson : 2/28/2013 12:51 am : link
Cooper is scheme diverse. No question about it. But for the record, he played in a ZBS as a senior at UNC.

I said scheme fit may very well be the determining factor that decides which player comes off the board first because Warmack is strictly a man-blocking mauler. A ZBS team will certainly have Cooper on their radar, but not Warmack.

And those saying Cooper is an ideal fit in a ZBS say so because it's a scheme in which athleticism takes precedence over bulk.
Yeah robbie  
AnotherGiantsFan : 2/28/2013 2:01 am : link
WAP pretty much covered all the bases. Cooper can play both, but because of his athleticism he would excel in the ZBS more than MBS. Warmack, however, would be best suited in a MBS.

Long story short..

If I'm a MBS team - Give me Warmack

If I'm a ZBS team - Give me Cooper
Fair deal for Beatty's services....  
Torrag : 2/28/2013 3:00 am : link
Not cheap by any means but certainly not bloated either. He should anchor the LT spot for years to come. First and most important piece of the offseason puzzle fits in nicely.
This is going to sound strange for me  
nicky43 : 2/28/2013 9:43 am : link
but it just shows how little I know about player salaries. I was shocked to see a $38.75 Mil deal for Beatty. To me I'm thinking that is supper top money reserved only for the best of tackles/guards and frankly, I never thought he was that level of a player. I guess and absolutely hope I am wrong and he is worth every penny because I am always for keeping a high priority on the O-line.

I'm a little nervous about what that is going to do to our cap because I have no idea how much of an increase that is for him. Sure hope he stays healthy.
nicky43  
Will Allen/Peterson : 2/28/2013 9:47 am : link
I posted this earlier in the thread, but you should compare Beatty's contract to others at the position while simultaneously taking into account that several other left tackles (Clady, Long, Albert, Baker) are primed to sign even bigger deals.
Over the Cap - NFL Left Tackle Contracts and Salaries - ( New Window )
Elite OTs are getting $50M+  
JonC : 2/28/2013 9:47 am : link
As was pointed out, there appear to be other OTs coming up for UFA that figure to get paid more than WB, which puts his salary around #15 overall. Reasonable deal for both sides, and as RV said (re-posted from last night) :

Ralph Vacchiano@RVacchianoNYDN

I haven't seen Will Beatty's deal yet, but I'm told his 2013 cap number is slightly more than $3.5 million -- very cap friendly.
which means his salary for this year is likely $1m (plus the  
jlukes : 2/28/2013 9:48 am : link
2.5 prorated bonus)
I was certain these negotiations would go down to the FA wire.  
Klaatu : 2/28/2013 9:54 am : link
Kudos to JR & Co. for getting a deal done this quickly, and a cap-friendly one at that.
Glad he'll be back..  
Jan in DC : 2/28/2013 9:58 am : link
I'll be even happier if he can stay healthy for the length of the deal.

I think we'll still see more moves made along the line.
AGF / robbie  
Will Allen/Peterson : 2/28/2013 10:01 am : link
Actually, I should've probably clarified my stance a bit further. A ZBS team would only have Cooper on their radar, whereas an offense that features a man-blocking scheme would consider drafting either prospect.

Cooper's athleticism and ability to block in space would be on full display in a ZBS, but like Robbie said he's such an outstanding puller and is so effective on the second level that his skill set also fits in an MBS. He plays with physicality and is a powerful presence in the trenches.

He's bulked back up to 312 pounds after dropping to 285 in 2012 to play in North Carolina's up-tempo, no-huddle offense last season. He played in a power scheme up until his senior season at UNC, and he's the type of guard who can fit in any system.
Per Vrentas  
Will Allen/Peterson : 2/28/2013 11:24 am : link
Will Beatty's base salaries: $1M ('13), $4.85M ('14), $5.5M ('15), $6.625M ('16) and $6.775M ('17). So '13 cap# should be around $3.5M.
will allen  
Neverend : 2/28/2013 11:26 am : link
thanks
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