TC not buying JPP's weight gain as "muscle."

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amazing how unproductive he was in the second half of the season.

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once you have been weight training for a significant period of time.

Which means most of his weight gain was in all likelihood attributable to fat.

Hopefully he leaned out this offseason and can return to dominant form.

I was gonna say I remember JonC talking about it.

Coughlin's translation on this quote: Don't let it fucking happen again.

that the coaches wanted him to get bigger. Hopefully, he has pearned his lesson and will show up in shape and ready to kick ass.

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that I'm referring to 10+lbs of muscle. Not going to happen.

Small increases are absolutely possible, but muscle gain is a science of diminishing returns the longer you've been at it.

It's gonna make Cruz look fun.

are lucky to add 2-3 pounds of muscle per year. JPP is still young, so might be able to add more. But even at his age, no way could he add even five pounds of muscle in the short span of a single off season

If he has another mediocre season...

don't let him sniff free agency.

was necesary given his reps at DT? Maybe with Jenkins and Joseph and maybe some draft picks they can leave JPP at End and have him play at 275.

Tuck going inside so much probably hasn't helped his health much either--he's a big guy but not built like a tackle.

a big factor in the Giants mediocre season last year. He was certainly getting more attention, mostly because he was the only guy teams really feared last year. Tuck is/was a shell of his former self.

The Giants need someone opposite JPP who can be a disruptive force and garner attention. Can Tuck be that guy again?

Meaning this past one was mediocre?

I think that's more a product of people's expectations being downright batshit crazy heading into the season.

I was 2 rows behind the Giants bench. I was surprised how thick JPP looked. At the time, I mentioned it to the surrounding Giants fans that it will take awhile for JPP to get into shape. That night in Jax, JPP's backside would rival Boothe's. It was disappointing.

The difference between our defense in 2011 and 2012.

But he regressed significantly from 2011, which is not what you want to see from a young potential star. I don't see any way that he wasn't a disappointment.

dude has a powerful lower body. But he shouldn't have what looks like a beer belly.

He used to be much much much quicker off the snap in college, he needs to regain that quickness and I'm glad that the Giants have told him to lose significant weight.

was a difference watching him last season VS watching the youtube highlight video of him during his 16.5 sack season. He looked slender and displayed great quickness during that year. He looked bigger last season. To be fair though, teams adjusted to him and they adjusted to the pass rush in general. So there were other components to it. However, just by watching that video, you can tell there was a difference.

He was still our best defender, and teams probably accounted for him alot more...It was just as much on the one armed Tuck and one trick Osi for not expoiting their advantages.

First camp practice I watched, JPP was FAT. Big old SB winning gut. And, he wasn't the only one.

The conditioning was a disappointment.

Beyond that, I don't know if the lack of explosiveness off the snap is 1) who he is as a pass rusher, 2) due to the weight gain, 3) due to coaching, etc.

His run-defending efforts were still the best of the best.

I think people set themselves up for disappointment thinking "well he had 16 sacks, imagine how many he'll have once he learns the sport!". LT was invoked. It got crazy.

by both the GM and the Head Coach. He had better report in shape and be ready to go.

I remember some people saying he came to camp bigger thinking he was just bulking up or filling out. That didn't really make sense to me since his game was quick twitchy, speed, and elite athleticism.

I hope JPP doesn't go lazy on us.

JPP got comfortable, end of story. He wasn't in peak form and deserves to be called out for it. This kid needs to be an all world force if the 2013 Giants are going to make any noise.

his best game might've been the asswhooping he put on Tyron Smith in Week 1.

He isn't fond of the weight room at all

if he signs for less then we can celebrate!

I thought it was Fewells' fault that JPP didn't play well last season..

being monitored closely this off-season, or will be told "if you don't knock some pounds off you will be playing for Jacksonville;your call".
As I mentioned in other threads, re: KP, about JR and TC putting together a team thats ALL IN on the Giants,I have the feeling that management is putting players on a short leash.

in 2011 as well by opposing teams, the results were just better.

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now could mean that JPP is still fat. Could be a warning shot in his direction.

motivate players.

Most players won't motivate themselves.........

"Whether you like it or not, learn to love it."

Not even sure he or Reese have even seen JPP yet..

I'll bet he was doubled less in '11 than '12. His results may have been better. But team defense was pretty lousy in both years, save the playoffs.

Just winning a Superbowl, being a DPOY candidate in your first real year of playing, and getting a bunch of attention from NFL/fans is just a recipe for a player to get lazy in the offseason.

Now if he comes to camp overweight this offseason, I'll be worried.

Hope so. Not a good sign if he's still fat.

Keep in mind he hadn't played much Football and then basically in his first season as a starter he makes All Pro and wins a SB. Some players never achieve either. So I'm sure he didn't train nearly as hard and lost a bit of his hunger coming into this season. He needed to be humbled so this will probaby being a good thing for his career that he's been called out by Coughlin and they won't let that slide again. He's now playing for big money so I expect him to come back in much better shape. And what's with the obsession with weight? JPP has more than enough power at 275 to play DE, he should stay at that weight to maintain his quickness.

to 300lbs. I remember seeing him and he was huge and his play that year declined. The only difference was the coaches wanted him to bulk up so he could move inside. Once he lost the weight he was a terror both inside and out. I miss that Tuck.

I hope JPP heeds the message

was sucking wind and showing none of the hustle he did in 2011

a lot of his best plays were pure effort plays, that endless gas tank, those were gone last year

....22 during the '11 season and just turned 24 so he's still a pup by any standard.

There's certainly an air of immaturity to him so hopefully he figures it out soon and isn't the type (like Osi) who flounders without a mentor whooping his ass.

I bought that JPP jersey this year.

This is just like when I bought that Mo Vaughn t-shirt when he joined the Mets.

coach and the team's diet guy should be handling this. He should be on a certain meal plan, and the S&C coach should be working with him. Maybe this off season, things can shape up for JPP.

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JPP's bad season on Tuck! JPP saw Tuck moping and coasting so he did it to. Motivated Tuck= Hyped up JPP.

on that JPP thread. Sigh... still think JPP has legend potential but last year was a let down.

So it won't be a surprise when they bring it up should they engage JPP I'm new contract talks...