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Giants' Cap update - as of 3/25/2013

Optimus-NY : 3/25/2013 9:55 pm
•Good evening everyone. I'm going to list an estimate of the top 51 player CAP HITS for the Giants as of this time (with an amendment to include what is most likely Boothe's cap number after re-signing today).
•In the offseason, the "Top 51" rule is in effect, in which the cap hits for the top 51 players is all that counts against the cap.

•Here's a good article that previously linked here that explains this rule as well as other salary cap basics:
"Durkin: Explaining The NFL’s Salary Cap" by Dan Durkin | February 18, 2013 3:15 PM

•Without further ado, here are the numbers--meaning Cap Hits--for the top 51 salaries on the team; I'll explain the numbers in the space below this table.
•Here is an offical list of the Giants players (BBI, of course, also has this): Giants' current roster according to Giants.com





Source: New York Giants 2013 Salary Cap courtesy of overthecap.com

•The total of the top 51 Cap numbers, as indicated above, is $116,237,526.
•I included the CAP NUMBERS for David Carr, and the two Exclusive Rights Free Agents (ERFAs) who have not yet signed their tenders: Adrian Tracy and Jim Cordle (the thir ERFA, Justin Trattou already signed his).
•I went to spotrac.com and retrieved their expected tender salaries listed in the chart below ($555 K for Cordle and $480 K for Tracy).
•They might be wrong, but they're still very close (they're either going to be $480 K or $555 K), but I wanted to add them in here since they count nonetheless.
•Justin Trattou is the only ERFA who signed his tender, and he is set to count $480 K against the 2013 cap.
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•I didn't include the Cap # for Boothe, which is unknown now, but I do have a strong of what I think it is for him.
•I tweeted the beat writers, and they thought my guess of the vet minimum for Boothe was good.
•Boothe has 7 accrued years, so he would stand to earn $840 K in salary, but only count $550 K against the salary cap.
•The Giants probably gave him a bonus---I'd expect it to be a $65 K bonus, which is the most that a player can receive and still be counted towards the reduced salary cap benefit of $555 K.
•I'll account for Boothe's money ($620 K cap hit) after I explain everything else.
•Here's the vet minimum table again:

Sources:
I. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/25/minimum-salaries-shoot-up-under-new-deal/
II. http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011/07/2011-2014-nfl-minimum-base-salaries/
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•At this point you take the Dead Money, listed below, and add it to the $116,237,526 figure listed above.
•When you do that, you get $122,974,608, as indicated in the table below the Dead Money, where all the math is detailed.


Source: Giants' Dead Money against the 2013 salary cap courtesy of overthecap.com (scroll to the bottom)
•On a side note, approximately 5.5% of the Giants' cap consists of Dead Money.
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•You subtract the amount of $122,974,608 from the salary cap limit of $123 million, and you get $25,392.
•To this total that the Giants first appear to be under the cap by, you add the carryover money from the previous year's cap, which in the Giants' case is $1 million.
•After you add these two figures, as indicated below, you get $1,025,392.


•From the $1,025,392 figure you subtract $504,000 due to the accrual of workout bonuses once the new league year starts, which in this year's case was 13 days ago, on March 12th.
•When you do this, you get $521,392, as displayed above.
•Now to account for Boothe, I simply slide in his anticipated CAP HIT of $620 K into the top 51 CAP HIT numbers, and subtract the DIFFERENCE from the 51st slot that is displaced, which in this instance is $480,500; this number works out to be as follows:

$620,000 - $480,500 = $139,500

•You simply subtract $139,500 from $521,392 to get the updated Cap number for the Giants after Boothe's signing, which turns out to be $381,892.
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•For anyone who's interested, the Giants currently have 76 players signed to the roster.
•Here are the cap hits for the remaining 24 players on the roster:


•The total cap hit for these players DOES NOT count towards the cap.
•As can be seen, these players' CAP HITS are either at or near the league minimum salary (see chart for NFL League minimum salaries for reference above).
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•These numbers are in constant flux with free agency going on, but with it calming down a bit, I figured now is a good time to provide a more thorough breakdown of the Giants' salary cap situation.
•Expect more changes to come of course (Diehl's paycut will be coming eventually).
•Enjoy.
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As always  
DelBlue91 : 3/25/2013 10:13 pm : link
great work...Lots to digest here.
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Boyle : 3/25/2013 10:14 pm : link
Thanks Optimus. I love this. I find all this information to be completely fascinating.
so whatever diehl restructures  
CGiants07 : 3/25/2013 10:15 pm : link
is likely going to Cruz or the draft pool?
Super(b)!!!!!  
Big Blue '56 : 3/25/2013 10:16 pm : link
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Optimus, so we can conclude  
dpinzow : 3/25/2013 10:17 pm : link
that Diehl's paycut will be required to clear enough space to sign our draft picks (we'll need roughly $5 MM in room)
terrific stuff  
nms24 : 3/25/2013 10:18 pm : link
thanks
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Boyle : 3/25/2013 10:18 pm : link
If they have Deihl outright, what would the dead cap # be? Would that even apply to this years cap or next years?
I really feel like you can make a case that 7 of the 8 highest paid  
NY-Fan : 3/25/2013 10:19 pm : link
are over paid. Just don't feel like Snee, Rolle, Diehl, Webster, Tuck, Bass and Kiwi played up to their salary last year and I really think that the same could go for this year.
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Boyle : 3/25/2013 10:20 pm : link
***if they have to cut Deihl outright.
CGiants07 - Cruz is akready accounted for  
Optimus-NY : 3/25/2013 10:21 pm : link
The Giants assigned him a 1st round RFA tender. His salary and CAP HIT is set at $2.879 M for 2013 (see the chart above).

The Rookie Pool money is not needed yet, but when it is, DD's saved money will help. The Giants are still not done with FA, so they can continue to make prudent signings in free agency, like they have so far. There's probably not much left, but it will not be surprising to see another signing or two, particularly at OLB.
numbers 2 through 8 there are  
NewYorkGiants : 3/25/2013 10:23 pm : link
Very tough to see them making that much $$$

None would make any of that if they were an UFA
Boy  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/25/2013 10:25 pm : link
Snee's salary just sticks out like a sore thumb there - it sure pays to marry into the family!
2-8  
spike : 3/25/2013 10:25 pm : link
are overpaid vets.. hopefully we will get them off the roster soon.
Remember: Cap dollars/Cap Hit is NOT the same as salary  
Optimus-NY : 3/25/2013 10:27 pm : link
They are two different things. For instance, Josh Brown is set to make $1,005,000 in 2013 ($940,000 in salary and a $65,000 Signing Bonus). However, he will only count $620,000 against the salary cap.
Is there any chance that we sign Stevie Brown to a longer  
giantsfour : 3/25/2013 10:36 pm : link
term contract to lessen this year's cap hit?
I only listed the cap hit here to keep things simple  
Optimus-NY : 3/25/2013 10:36 pm : link
Player salary (base salary plus various bonuses are another category all together).

Then you have Dead Money and Cap savings if a player is cut to consider. I left all this out, and concentrated on the category that counts when adding up the cap--the Cap Hit--so as to keep things simpler from a visual standpoint. That's what the simplified Excel sheet screen shots seen above are for.
giantsfour - No  
Optimus-NY : 3/25/2013 10:38 pm : link
He's a Restricted Free Agent who has a set salary ($2.023 M is the 2nd round tender which he received and recently signed). It's a set number. Next year he'll be an Unrestricted Free Agent.
i was talking if we sign cruz long term  
CGiants07 : 3/25/2013 11:24 pm : link
since its likely to be more than 2.8 this yr
Muchas Gracias...  
Klaatu : 3/25/2013 11:42 pm : link
Hombre de la tabla salarial!
im telling you  
Neverend : 3/26/2013 12:03 am : link
it disturbs me everytime reading some of those cap hits at the top. i know it is what it is, but holy hell. i cant wait until baas is gone from this team. 2 years from now, yes, but i cant wait till the damn day. Had a terrible 2011, played great in the superbowl, struggles with nagging injuries all 2012. Played better last year but these cap hits coming up, ugh man.

diehl doesnt seem like the deceiving type, so he might be telling the truth the giants havent approached him about anything. But seriously now
Hmm.  
81_Great_Dane : 3/26/2013 12:08 am : link
Wow, it's a huge advantage for the 49ers to have a cheap young QB playing at a high level. Paying your QB $20 million has a deleterious effect on the rest of the roster.

Random observations:

Snee is overpaid -- but if he returns to form, not so much.

Rolle is overpaid at $9.25m. But I could live with $6m for him

Diehl is way overpaid at $6.9m.

Hynoski is underpaid.







$11 million cap hit for a guard...  
SB : 3/26/2013 1:07 am : link
...is mind numbing.
The reason why those top guys numbers are so high  
rasbutant : 3/26/2013 7:23 am : link
is because they have been restructured, in some cases multiple times. This is why restructures are bad, at some point you have to pay for it.
Optimus  
robbieballs2003 : 3/26/2013 7:31 am : link
Weird question but how do you get those sort buttons at the top of each column in your excel spreadsheet? I've tried and I could only do it with macros. Thanks.
Great  
AcidTest : 3/26/2013 7:48 am : link
stuff. A bit depressing to know that we aren't even $400K under the cap. More cuts to come.
I think Snee's cap hit  
PEEJ : 3/26/2013 8:04 am : link
is bloated by multiple restructures. Blame JR for that
regarding rfa's  
fkap : 3/26/2013 8:09 am : link
who have signed their tender: I thought that they could tear up the tender at any time and replace it with a long term contract. Optimus' reply about Brown seems to indicate that's not the case. A smart betting man would bet on Optimus, but am I wrong?
marvin austin is overpaid  
spike : 3/26/2013 8:13 am : link
cut him.
Robbie...  
DelBlue91 : 3/26/2013 8:15 am : link
That's just setting a filter on the rows across.
Reese can create additional cap space,  
Simms11 : 3/26/2013 8:31 am : link
when and if needed. There's a number of inflated contracts that can get reworked. Additionally, Diehl may get cut altogether, if the Giants feel they have the right pieces on the OLine.
If Bradshaw signs with another team  
old timer : 3/26/2013 8:31 am : link
Do we still carry his 2+ mil as dead money?
Dead Money  
mike42 : 3/26/2013 8:33 am : link
lists Jonathan Petrus...is that Mitch?
Here's some rookie info:  
Optimus-NY : 3/26/2013 8:33 am : link
•This is what the Giants are estimated to pay for the rookie as of this time (post compensatory pick announcement, of which the Giants received a 7th rounder, the penultimate pick in the entire draft):


Source: http://overthecap.com/rookie-pool-estimate.php

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•Here's the pick-by-pick breakdown, courtesy of overthecap.com:



Source: http://www.overthecap.com/rookiepool.php?Team=Giants
CGiants07 - Sorry about before; I understand what you said now.  
Optimus-NY : 3/26/2013 8:36 am : link
They could use Diehl's money to fit Cruz in t an extension if they were to all of a sudden reach terms, but they would then need more room under the cap for the rookies, which as of now is $5,031,061.
ya gotta wonder  
fkap : 3/26/2013 8:38 am : link
what they were thinking with Snee and Rolle. An oft heard mantra around here, with good reasoning, is that (insert player name here) will never play on that heavily backloaded contract. However, for that to happen you need to groom cheaper replacements. If there was a plan in place, I've either forgotten it (entirely possible) or didn't see it (also possible). Any way you look at it, at this point both would be painful cuts while easy on the wallet.
rasbutant with a key post:  
Optimus-NY : 3/26/2013 8:47 am : link
Quote:
The reason why those top guys numbers are so high
rasbutant : 7:23 am
is because they have been restructured, in some cases multiple times. This is why restructures are bad, at some point you have to pay for it.
Re: robbieballs2003 - In reference to your 7:31 am question  
Optimus-NY : 3/26/2013 8:48 am : link
Quote:
Optimus
robbieballs2003 : 7:31 am
Weird question but how do you get those sort buttons at the top of each column in your excel spreadsheet? I've tried and I could only do it with macros. Thanks.


•As DelBlue91 said in his 8:15 am post, I just set a filter on the rows across.
•I used the 2010 version of MS Excel, while staying on the Home Tab, I clicked on the "Format as Table" icon, in the Styles subsection up top.
•After that I just selected the filter with the color of the row you see.
•I couldn't find colors that exactly fit the Giants like I wanted, so I found what looked to fit closest.
so is the filter an automatic  
robbieballs2003 : 3/26/2013 8:55 am : link
A to Z and Z to A or can you customize that? That is where I have the problem. If I want to custom sort a column I can't seem to do that without macros.

Example: Position (QB, RB, WR, TE, K, DEF) then by NAME from A to Z. Obviously you can tell this is for fantasy football.
restructure  
fkap : 3/26/2013 8:57 am : link
every year, many folks are quite cavalier about it only being a million or two dead weight on next year's budget. This list exemplifies how many players have a cap hit equall or less than that 'no biggie' restructure.
Once again, here's a quick reminder about restructuring deals.  
Optimus-NY : 3/26/2013 8:59 am : link
You don't restructure just anyone folks. Read below:



•I'm going to write something up about voidable years, since that is a technique that teams are using nowadays (see C-Web) to deal with players on the last years of their deals, or by signing players while creating cap flexibility going forward (see Brandon Myers).
•I haven't gotten to writing up the piece that I said that I would about the June 1st rule yet; I'm going to get to that soon as well.
•Here is a little preview:

•The June 1st designation and the voidable year share some important traits.
•I like to characterize the June 1st rule as being for "cap slackers", (see the Raiders and Cowboys) and the voidable year contracts as being for well-prepared students.
•The Raiders get somewhat of a pass, only because Reggie McKenzie is still busy cleaning up Al Davis's mess (like how Donnie Walsh cleaned up Isiah Thomas's mess with the Knicks a few years ago, to make a cross sports analogy).
•I'll continue this another time, hopefully very soon.
Some comments  
GIANTSr01 : 3/26/2013 9:03 am : link
1. As of right now, the Giants could increase Cruz's cap hit (currently ~$2.8M) by $380k without making any other moves. It's not too difficult to structure a fair long term deal with an initial cap hit in that range. See Beatty

2. Yes, the Giants can replace Stevie Brown's 1 year contract with a longer term deal that lowers his 2013 cap number.

3. The Rookie Pool Estimates shows that the Giants need $5M in cap space for their draft picks. That's not entirely correct, since they really only require the difference between those players and the player they are replacing in the Top 51. Looking at the list of the top 51, the lowest cap hit is $480k, which is greater than the projected cap hits for draft picks 5 through 7. So those 4 draft picks will not count in the top 51 and you can subtract there 2013 cap hits from the rookie pool total. That lowers the cap room required for the rookie pool to ~$3.3M.

Next you can compare the 1st 4 rd picks and their combined projected cap hits vs the cap hits for the 4 players they'd replace in the top 51. The difference there is ~$1.3M which is the amount of additional cap space the Giants will need to sign their draft picks.
robbie  
YAJ2112 : 3/26/2013 9:07 am : link
just put your own custom value in your position column and you can sort it easily. IE use 1QB, 2RB, etc.

Or you could also just add a separate column and put in a preferred sort order there. You could use a nested if statement, IE IF(A2="QB",1,(IF(A2='RB',2,(IF(A2='K',7,0))))). You could also create a list elsewhere in the file and do a vlookup to pull back the sort order value.
2 other points  
GIANTSr01 : 3/26/2013 9:10 am : link
1. If another team signs Cruz to an offer sheet, then the Giants don't get to structure his contract in a team friendly way and it is highly likely that any team trying to get Cruz would front-load his deal or at minimum give him a large salary in year 1 to make it hard for the Giants to match.

2. As of now, the Giants could create enough cap room to sign Cruz and cover the rookie pool simply by cutting Diehl (or forcing a paycut). That would also possibly give them enough wiggle room to avoid other restructures when they need to start counting everyone towards the cap.
YAJ  
robbieballs2003 : 3/26/2013 9:15 am : link
I don't want to miller this thread more than I have but I don't know how to do what you wrote. I put a custom sort in but I don't want to go through the hassle of highlighting the boxes and going through the whole procedure every time I update the information. I just want a one click option. I can send you what I did if you don't mind through email. My email is robbieballs2003@yahoo.com. Only if you want. Thanks either way.
robbie - I can email you my Excel spreadsheet if you like.  
Optimus-NY : 3/26/2013 9:19 am : link
Let me know here first, and I'll send it to you.
sure  
robbieballs2003 : 3/26/2013 9:24 am : link
I'll send you mine to see what you think. Thanks.
great work  
djm : 3/26/2013 9:44 am : link
and I think some of you guys should check out other teams and their top ten cap hits. It's never pretty. Go check out Dallas ...

Guys that went to pro bowls 2-3 years ago are going to have big cap numbers today. That's life in the NFL. The Giants are not the lone team out there with fading stars making lots of loot. Matter of fact, every team deals with this with maybe 1-2 exceptions and those 1-2 exceptions, the Niners and maybe Seattle will join the ranks soon enough.

here are some of the leading men in Dallas  
djm : 3/26/2013 9:54 am : link
with the biggest cap hits in 2013...at least according to the site I checked...

Miles Austin (they keep restructuring...over 10 mil in dead money)
Jay Ratlif (didn't he get cut?)
Doug Free (over 10 mil)
Anthony Spencer (over 10 mil)

I'm not glad that NY has all this money tied up in some fading talent but just about every one of those big cap hits is tied up to a guy with one year left on his deal. That's a good thing.

Our cap situation is not bad at all.
robbie - sent  
Optimus-NY : 3/26/2013 9:55 am : link
Click on Sheet 1 and Sheet 2 below.

•Sheet 1 has salaries 1 through 51 (sans K. Boothe).
•Sheet 2 has the rest of the salaries that don't count towards the cap.
•Including Boothe, the Giants currently have 76 players signed to the roster.
Thanks Optimus....  
rptl530 : 3/26/2013 9:56 am : link
seems very strange to me that the Giants would eat up $1.45m of precious cap space on Terrell Thomas.
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