Just said that Victor Cruz is being offered $21 million Guaranteed but wants more. I was wondering if that had been stated before or mentioned. Never heard of an exact number that we were offering till now.
If I was him, I'd let it play out and see if I could get more. The only downside is that I have to deal with it as a news item every day until a decision is made.
That seems like a fair amount of guaranteed money, of course I have
he is very popular in New York/New Jersey but NY fans are very savvy and if they think he is demanding too much...being greedy...and he remains unsigned, they will turn on him very quickly.
Not sure Victor is getting great advice right now...$21M guaranteed with the chance he has for endorsements etc. He's starting to sound greedy.
Once again there is little reason for him to make a decision
Mike Wallace got $27M guaranteed and as an unrestricted FA he had a lot more leverage than Cruz.
Now we don't know how the contract was structured, but it's hard to see Cruz getting significantly more guaranteed money than that, even if he were an UFA.
is no reason for him to sign anything for 2 weeks. He is trying to get the most money he can after getting paid relatively pennies for his performance the last 2 years. Everybody just needs to stay patient. He will sign and if he does not sign that, he will have to play for the tender.
got $27 million guaranteed which also takes into account
A. He was grossly overpaid
B. He was a free agent
For Cruz to be offered $21 million with the Giants holding all leverage here, I hope he doesn't overplay his hand and become super greedy.
This looks like a very fair deal compared to more reasonable contracts on the market.
Jennings: $18 million guaranteed
Harvin $25.5 million guaranteed
Bowe: $26 million guaranteed
Amendola: $10 million guaranteed
Welker $ 10 million guaranteed
If that is really what the Giants are offering, and I doubt that, this is his last year with the Giants if he doesn't get signed away this year. I think at least 9 mil per with 20/25 guaranteed is the number he can demand.
Again, that is the only # that matters. The Giants, according to this, are offering 21 guaranteed, which is what you're saying he can ask for. So why would that not get it done?
The money per means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the NFL.
I'm predicting....
BillKo : 9:41 am
an extension somewhere around midseason.
Cruz plays for the tender in 2013.
If he plays for the tender, the Giants are pulling that offer off the table, and rightfully so.
If he's in a position to negotiate mid-season, that likely means he's healthy and having another Cruz like season. At that point, how much cheaper are they going to get him than if he hits FA? Plus, we have the franchise tag in our back pocket for 2014 after 2013 is over.
You're wrong about that for a player Cruz's age. He will play out a 5 year contract as he is 27. The per year is a factor as well. It's not like he'29 with only 3 years of quality play left.
That someone who comes off as being so humble off the field would be so greedy. Is it Cruz who wants more money or is it his agent trying to milk out as much as possible? It kind of makes me wonder who's calling the shots here.
being offered a fair contract. As JonC alludes to, although he is not completely a product of the system, the system and the QB have helped him. He may not be the same player in a different offense.
If he doesn't want what the Giants are offering him, use him for one more season and then say good-bye.
This is why I strongly expect him to sign the tender in late April, play out the year (talking some bullshit about not negotiating during the season because he wants to be focused on football) and test the market again next year.
$21 million is more than I had thought we were offering, so that's encouraging. Cruz has more leverage than people want to believe (impending UFA of him + Nicks with one franchise tag (an $11 million cap hit) to go around reduces the team's bargaining strength).
Have fun playing on your 2 million dollar tender.
Papa: "with the injuries in the NFL, you offer me guaranteed money like that, sign me up."
Not sure Victor is getting great advice right now...$21M guaranteed with the chance he has for endorsements etc. He's starting to sound greedy.
My money is on a deal being agreed upon around that date
EVERYBODY knows that, just ask Dan Dierdorf...
Now we don't know how the contract was structured, but it's hard to see Cruz getting significantly more guaranteed money than that, even if he were an UFA.
Cruz plays for the tender in 2013.
A. He was grossly overpaid
B. He was a free agent
For Cruz to be offered $21 million with the Giants holding all leverage here, I hope he doesn't overplay his hand and become super greedy.
This looks like a very fair deal compared to more reasonable contracts on the market.
Jennings: $18 million guaranteed
Harvin $25.5 million guaranteed
Bowe: $26 million guaranteed
Amendola: $10 million guaranteed
Welker $ 10 million guaranteed
Again, that is the only # that matters. The Giants, according to this, are offering 21 guaranteed, which is what you're saying he can ask for. So why would that not get it done?
The money per means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the NFL.
Then, it's up to VC to sign the extension or play under the tender and up the ante.
BillKo : 9:41 am
an extension somewhere around midseason.
Cruz plays for the tender in 2013.
If he plays for the tender, the Giants are pulling that offer off the table, and rightfully so.
If he's in a position to negotiate mid-season, that likely means he's healthy and having another Cruz like season. At that point, how much cheaper are they going to get him than if he hits FA? Plus, we have the franchise tag in our back pocket for 2014 after 2013 is over.
Cruz would be CRAZY not to take that deal if he doesn't get an offer sheet. Crazy.
If he doesn't want what the Giants are offering him, use him for one more season and then say good-bye.
This is why I strongly expect him to sign the tender in late April, play out the year (talking some bullshit about not negotiating during the season because he wants to be focused on football) and test the market again next year.
Then expect him to play "careful" all year.
Chad Jones career, for one, ended pretty abruptly due to an off the field injury
$21 million is more than I had thought we were offering, so that's encouraging. Cruz has more leverage than people want to believe (impending UFA of him + Nicks with one franchise tag (an $11 million cap hit) to go around reduces the team's bargaining strength).
I blame the Seattle Seahawks for all this, imo.
He would do very well in certain schemes but he may not put up the same numbers in a different scheme.
Would the Giants be hurt if they lost him? You bet. But they have have 52 other players to pay.