If this was posted will delete, story from yesterday but I hadn't seen the contract details:
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Several NFL sources said his asking price was closer to $10 million-$11 million per year, which is about the going rate for a No. 1 receiver in the NFL.
I still think that Cruz is overplaying his hand. He is not getting $10 million from anybody. Leaving $21 million guaranteed on the table to play for $2.875 mill this year and $10 mill next year while risking injury would be foolish.
for a hamstring injury, and he could have played at the end of that year, when we were pulling guys off the street to play WR.....
You have to draw the line somewhere......when you have overpaid OLmen and a safety, you can't compound the situation with other players....first and foremost, you protect Eli, and you strengthen an OL, not return the same guys who fell on their faces the last two years.....
We need depth on OL....can't count on guys who were late round picks.....wild dreams of playing the SB in your own stadium, are not going to happen.....it's going to be a 2-3 year plan, whether you want to accept it or not.....
Would be one of the most foolish GM's to still be offering Cruz even 7 mil, the top market for slot receivers is 6 mil or less. This is a business if you are bidding against yourself then you are not a good businessman. Look we all would have been happy to get Cruz for 6-8 mil at the start of last season Cruz said no and the market has been very flat for slot WR's.
since some folks are still saying that they can't franchise Cruz next year because they won't be able to franchise Nicks (if need be), I guess maybe I should just re-post this since it seems to have been either unseen or ignored:
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Second thing I'd like to point out is to all of you who are saying Nicks walks next year if they franchise Cruz next year. My question is, why couldn't they just use the transition tag on Nicks next year at a 1st round pick level? He's probably gonna want more than Cruz AND he's been somewhat injury prone. So who's gonna want to pay a guy THAT much amount of money AND give up their #1 pick for a guy who might miss a few games every season?
I gather Dragon has done some serious pizza delivery for Dominoes, and is competent to make sweeping generalizations learned from his online correspondence MBA courses about "not bidding against one's self!"
Welker has caught over 750 balls for over 8500 yds and all he could get was 6 mil a year. Don't you think the Pat's at one time offered him more than that however the market price he took later on was not what he felt he was worth. Can you guarantee Cruz will continue to perform at his previous numbers or better answer hell NO! As I stated earlier he screwed himself the Giants did not do it to him he did it to himself. This is a business if I pay you 7 mil and the market rate for the best guy in the business is 6 mil that makes me a dumb ass. Let's even look at it in a different manner no NFL is willing to give up high draft pick and big money for a player in todays NFL why because the value is not worth the price paid.
Add WR to the draft list. I wouldn't pay any receiver that money not even Megatron. Moving on from this nutzo crap. We have him for another season then he'll be replaced.
(and Joseoh and JPP) I'm certain that Reese will wave bye-bye to Cruz and replace him with a younger guy. It will probably be a step down and end up with a guy like Steve Smith. Paying Cruz 10-11M per with today's cap is insane.
You know how that's not accurate? The "Market" isn't paying him that much.
You want to know why?
3 reasons:
1. He's a RFA. No one would give up a 1st AND pay him that much.
2. The Giants don't need to
3. He's NOT worth that much. Mike Wallace is maybe the fastest WR in the NFL and Harvin the most dynamic.
Cruz is more Amendola and Welker than Harvin
AND, AGAIN, CRUZ IS AN RFA!
He should get around $8 mil/year. The negotiation has likely been centered around the amount of guaranteed money. It is the guaranteed money that Cruz cares about and the reason he will sign long-term.
Stop this idiocy.
Championships are won by teams
Teams are built with cap restrictions
You don't build a Championship team by paying a walk-on much more than you need to. $40 mil over 5 years is plenty!
BBI is living proof that money changes people. It turns (some) rational and smart people into total fucking morons.
Take one star player who is a FA. Add big money demands by said player....mix in the waiting game and add to BBI. Shake. Stir. Presto...total fucking lunacy.
If Cruz truly believes he should earn 11 million a year and NY never intends on giving him that type of deal, he should still think long and hard about signing with NY for 7-8 per year right now. He can then take solace in the fact that he's earning an extra 5-6 million this season instead of having to wait another full year to earn that 11 million he may or may not get. Let's say he gets the extra 5 million guaranteed in spring 2014 and he gets an extra 2-3 million per...great, that's all well and good but he still earned only 2.8 million in 2013. He loses 5-6 million by not signing that smaller deal right now.
IN other words, sign the fucking deal now and start earning that big contract sooner rather than later AND don't risk the bird in the hand. Get paid in 2013 not 2014.
guys a year or two away from UFA will sign for less. The whole hometown discount thing really never made sense to me. It has less to do with hometown loyalties then it does early bird special. The player is getting his raise a year or two early. That's why they sign for less and that's why any team giving a player actual market value before the guy hits UFA status would fall under the label of "stupid."
This is what drives me nuts when some fans kill the Giants for not paying Cruz his true market value right this second. Why should they? Cruz is a better player than Wallace but Wallace earned the right to negotiate as a UFA. Cruz is not worth the same money because he's not a UFA.
If you start looking at SB participants, you see how shoddy the lines are and how great the QBs are. Even the vaunted SF offensive line was porous in pass pro; their strength was run-blocking.
We had the fewest sacks allowed in the NFL last year, and 3rd overall in FBO's adjusted sack rate (factors in pass attempts). Our line. Our maligned line with a shit RT and mediocrity across the interior. Eli Manning is why Eli Manning rarely got sacked or hit.
Is still a player I liked have not changed on that, did he do anything no but how many taught Cruz was going to become one of the best slot WR's in the game?
The Phins overpaid for Wallace but it was a statement the team needed to make for the fans and players that they can sign a big name player or coach. Plus this was one of the best fits a team lacking WR speed and one of the top speed WR's in the game.
Eli Manning was the least sacked QB in the NFL last season with garbage in front of him.
How much more improvement can you get beyond that, at what cost? Diminishing returns. Invest lightly in the OL with some draft picks and cheaper contracts, and let your elite QB do the rest. It's poor return on investment when the most important factor to protecting the QB is the QB.
Lets go with Nicks, Randle, and Edelman in the slot.
With the new TE this will work great. Cruz is not even the #1 on this team. When Nicks went out, Cruz's numbers really dropped. He is a good/very good receiver, but we can't pay the second receiver on the team $10M. No team can.
played exceptionally well but you cannot depend on him to completely carry the offense and make the OL look good every year.
The time to invest the money and resources in the OL is now, it will re-establish the running game and keep teams from teeing off on Eli AND buy time for the WR's to figure out the routes again.
You have to draw the line somewhere......when you have overpaid OLmen and a safety, you can't compound the situation with other players....first and foremost, you protect Eli, and you strengthen an OL, not return the same guys who fell on their faces the last two years.....
We need depth on OL....can't count on guys who were late round picks.....wild dreams of playing the SB in your own stadium, are not going to happen.....it's going to be a 2-3 year plan, whether you want to accept it or not.....
Bravo! Or get a clue.
If not, get Edelman.
You want to know why?
3 reasons:
1. He's a RFA. No one would give up a 1st AND pay him that much.
2. The Giants don't need to
3. He's NOT worth that much. Mike Wallace is maybe the fastest WR in the NFL and Harvin the most dynamic.
Cruz is more Amendola and Welker than Harvin
AND, AGAIN, CRUZ IS AN RFA!
He should get around $8 mil/year. The negotiation has likely been centered around the amount of guaranteed money. It is the guaranteed money that Cruz cares about and the reason he will sign long-term.
Stop this idiocy.
Championships are won by teams
Teams are built with cap restrictions
You don't build a Championship team by paying a walk-on much more than you need to. $40 mil over 5 years is plenty!
Take one star player who is a FA. Add big money demands by said player....mix in the waiting game and add to BBI. Shake. Stir. Presto...total fucking lunacy.
IN other words, sign the fucking deal now and start earning that big contract sooner rather than later AND don't risk the bird in the hand. Get paid in 2013 not 2014.
This is what drives me nuts when some fans kill the Giants for not paying Cruz his true market value right this second. Why should they? Cruz is a better player than Wallace but Wallace earned the right to negotiate as a UFA. Cruz is not worth the same money because he's not a UFA.
Dragon breathing stupidity all over this thread.
I would argue however, that Harvin is more of an offensive and ST weapon than Cruz
Hence you better surround yours with some elite level bodyguards.
If you start looking at SB participants, you see how shoddy the lines are and how great the QBs are. Even the vaunted SF offensive line was porous in pass pro; their strength was run-blocking.
We had the fewest sacks allowed in the NFL last year, and 3rd overall in FBO's adjusted sack rate (factors in pass attempts). Our line. Our maligned line with a shit RT and mediocrity across the interior. Eli Manning is why Eli Manning rarely got sacked or hit.
The Phins overpaid for Wallace but it was a statement the team needed to make for the fans and players that they can sign a big name player or coach. Plus this was one of the best fits a team lacking WR speed and one of the top speed WR's in the game.
How much more improvement can you get beyond that, at what cost? Diminishing returns. Invest lightly in the OL with some draft picks and cheaper contracts, and let your elite QB do the rest. It's poor return on investment when the most important factor to protecting the QB is the QB.
The time to invest the money and resources in the OL is now, it will re-establish the running game and keep teams from teeing off on Eli AND buy time for the WR's to figure out the routes again.