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Frank Gifford

King Tuck : 4/6/2013 11:47 am
For you old timers who saw him play, what is your opinion of him as a football player? When you look at lists of all-time Giant greats, it seems sometimes he's on the list, sometimes he's not. Was he a good player on a lousy offense? Did he ever get back to form after his injury? I know he was much heralded when he was drafted, and the Giants had high hopes for him. He was a little before my time as a fan, so I am real curious about his play.
King Tuck...  
M.S. : 4/6/2013 11:57 am : link
...one of those BBIers old enough to have vivid memory of Frank Gifford before and after injury.

Overall, Gifford was a FANTASTIC athlete who could DO IT ALL. Run, catch, throw AND defend (secondary).

He was strong and he was pretty good size for that era, and -- most important -- this guy had a lot of swerve in him. He could really swivel his hips and make himself small and he could cut real well.

He was productive after the Bednarick hit, but he wasn't used much in the run game after his year off recuperating. He was used pretty much as a flanker and very productive with Y.A. Title slinging the ball.

But I have to repeat one thing in particular: there was a lot of creative movement to this guy when he had the rock in his hands.

As a personal aside, the guy came out of USC with Hollywood good looks (even better) and he capitalized on them by training himself to be good in front of the camera!
His first wife was HOT  
Jupiter : 4/6/2013 11:59 am : link
compared to his current wife
I don't know about his pre-1955 years  
Edward in Duckland : 4/6/2013 12:08 pm : link
but I watched him from '55 until the end of his career ('63 or '64, can't really remember). His versatility was amazing even for those days-he played some defensive back, and one training camp they tried him at quarterback (I don't believe he ever played qb in a regular season game). His statistics don't jump out at you, but keep in mind that most of his career the league had a 12 game season and he was playing in the old t formation with two other running backs (both of whom, Alex Webster and Mel Tripplett during the mid-50's, were damn good in their own right). That being said, he ran hard and with decent speed and elusiveness and he was the Giants' best receiver (flanking out) until the arrival of Del Shofner in 1961. His rushing stats would have been greater but for Chuck Bednarik practically beheading him during the 1960 season. He was out for the remainder of that season and 1961. When he returned, he didn't run the ball at all, he was a fulltime receiver and along with Shofner gave the Gmen their best receiving tandem until Nicks/Cruz.
Also, he ran the half-back option better than anyone I've ever seen. In 1958,a the Giants tied the Browns for the Eastern Conference championship. There was a playoff game the Giants won 10-0 (setting up the iconic championship game against the Colts). The only td in the game was a half-back option with Gifford passing to qb Charlie Conerly.
All in all, a great all around back and dserving of his status as an all-time Giant.
Hope this helps.
Thanks M.S.  
King Tuck : 4/6/2013 12:11 pm : link
So would you agree that with all his talent, and for what he meant to the team, that he is a little under-appreciated these days?
Many people don't realize how tough he was. He could do it all  
carpoon : 4/6/2013 12:11 pm : link
including DB. The biggest problem with him was his fumbling. I have no idea now, but at one time he was the all-time Giant fumbling leader.

He was a great team player and a great Giant.
Wow  
King Tuck : 4/6/2013 12:17 pm : link
Graet info Edward & carpoon. This is why I love BBI!
He made the first down  
Still a Sam Huff fan : 4/6/2013 12:41 pm : link
"It was a bad spot" and you can put that on my tombstone, cause I'll believe it til the day I die.

King Tut...  
M.S. : 4/6/2013 12:55 pm : link
...probably under-appreciated, but I suspect there are a lot of old timers -- who played in a very different era -- not really given their due.

Part of that is just simply no memory (or first hand observation) of former greats. The other is that the sport has evolved sooooooo much that many former greats would have a very tough time today even making a pro roster! That is particularly true for linemen. In Gifford's day, a 250 lb tackle would have been considered "nice size."
Still a Sam Huff fan...  
M.S. : 4/6/2013 12:56 pm : link
...I hear ya.

It was DEFINITElY a bad spot!
He made all-pro as a running back and as a defensiveback  
DP : 4/6/2013 12:56 pm : link
Vince Lombardi's famous sweep was originally7 designed for Gifford. Nothing more to say.
DP  
PeterS : 4/6/2013 1:11 pm : link
beat me to it - before it was the famous Packer sweep it was uptown at the Polo Grounds!
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Del Shofner : 4/6/2013 1:13 pm : link
I believe he actually made Pro Bowl at all three positions, including WR after his return.

"His Pro Bowl selections came at three different positions—defensive back, running back, and wide receiver. He retired again, this time for good, in 1964, after making the Pro Bowl as a receiver."

I don't really remember him as an RB or DB. I remember the Bednarik hit vaguely but I was very young and had just started watching the Giants. I do remember him as a receiver but I was more a fan of Del Shofner. (duh)

He was a terrific talent.  
JerseyCityJoe : 4/6/2013 1:24 pm : link
When he was on the ball field he was the guy you wanted to have the ball. Dangerous as a runner, receiver and option pitchman. He was tougher than many gave him credit for and he played with a bulls eye on his back because of his good looks and womanizing ways.
triple threat,  
gtt350 : 4/6/2013 1:26 pm : link
and he made the first down in '58
In 1953 he played LDH and made the Pro Bowl  
Defenderdawg : 4/6/2013 1:29 pm : link
Don Menasco was RDH, the LS was Emlen Tunnell and the RS was Tom Landry...he had one interception for a 66 yard TD, he also played on offense where he rushed 50 times for 157 yards and caught 18 passes for 292 yards and 4 touchdowns, he also returned punts and kicks and even tried a few FG's and PAT's.

In 1954 he became the LH in the Giants offense alongside Kyle Rote RH and Eddie Price FB.

Everything they said is true, and all for a salary of $15,000.  
Marty in Albany : 4/6/2013 1:37 pm : link
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I echo most others  
snumber6 : 4/6/2013 1:54 pm : link
He not only could do it all ... he looked good doing it ...
Very smooth moving and alert to all around him ... Well ... except for maybe Chuck Bednarik ... once ...

Year by Year  
Defenderdawg : 4/6/2013 2:08 pm : link
Code:

1952 Rushing
LH Kyle Rote 103-421-2; Frank Gifford 38-116-0
RH George Thomas 6-18-0; Joe Scott 38-107-3
FB Eddie Price 183-748-5

1953 Rushing
LH Sonny Grandelius 108-278-1; Frank Gifford 50-157-2
RH Kyle Rote 63-213-1; Randy Clay 16-26
FB Eddie Price 101-206-2

1954 Rushing
LH Frank Gifford 66-368-2; Herb Johnson 42-168-1
RH Kyle Rote 30-59-0; Buford Long 20-58-0
FB Eddie Price 135-555-2; Bobby Epps 30-110-0

1955 Rushing
LH Frank Gifford 86-351-3; Joe Heap 8-29-0
RH Alex Webster 128-634-5
FB Bobby Epps 95-375-2; Mel Triplett 34-138-0; Eddie Price 30-109-0

1956 Rushing
LH Frank Gifford 159-815-5; Gene Filipski 13-85-1
RH Alex Webster 178-694-7
FB Mel Triplett 125-515-5

1957 Rushing
LH Frank Gifford 136-528-5; Gene Filipski 22-89-0
RH Alex Webster 135-478-5
FB Mel Triplett 61-216-0; Bobby Epps 63-286-0

1958 Rushing
LH Frank Gifford 115-468-8; Phil King 83-316-1; Don Maynard 12-45-0
RH Alex Webster 100-398-3
FB Mel Triplett 118-466-1; Billy Lott 4-30-0

1959 Rushing
LH Frank Gifford 106-540-3; Phil King 72-232-0
RH Alex Webster 79-250-5; Joe Morrison 62-165-1
FB Mel Triplett 91-381-1

1960 Rushing
LH Frank Gifford 77-232-4; Phil King 26-97-0; Ed Sutton 20-135-0
RH Alex Webster 22-48-0; Joe Morrison 103-346-2
FB Mel Triplett 124-573-4

1961 Gifford out; Triplett traded to Minnesota
Rushing
HB Bobby Gaiters 116-460-6; Joel Wells 65-216-1; Joe Morrison 33-48-1; Phil King 4-7-0
FB Alex Webster 196-928-2

1962 Gifford returns and is moved to FL
Rushing
HB Phil King 108-460-2; Joe Morrison 35-146-1; Paul Dudley 27-100-0; Johnny Counts 14-55-0; Bobby Gaiters 7-35-0 (traded)
FB Alex Webster 207-743-5
Receiving
FL Frank Gifford 39-796-20.4-7
SE Del Shofner 53-1133-21.4-12
TE Joe Walton 33-406-9; Aaron Thomas 4-80-0

1963
Rushing
HB Phil King 161-613-3; Joe Morrison 119-568-3; Hugh McElhenny 14-55-0; Charlir Killett 11-36-0
FB Alex Webster 75-255-4
Receiving
FL Frank Gifford 42-657-15.6-7
SE Del Shofner 64-1181-18.5-9
TE Joe Walton 26-371-6; Aaron Thomas 22-469-21.3-6

1964
Rushing
HB Steve Thurlow 64-210-0; Dick James 55-189-3; Joe Morrison 45-138-1; Clarence Childs 40-102-0
FB Ernie Wheelright 100-402-0; Alex Webster 76-210-3
Receiving
FL Frank Gifford 29-429-14.8-3; Joe Morrison 40-505-2; Homer Jones 4-82-0
SE Del Shofner 22-323-14.7-0; R.C. Owens 4-45-0
TE Aaron Thomas 43-624-14.5-6; Bob Crespino 12-165-0
I don't recall any MVPs in those days, but  
Blackbeard : 4/6/2013 2:21 pm : link
Gifford, with his ability and vesatility, was definitely The Giants Most Valuable Player.
The hit by Bednarik hurt his career badly and I always believed that it was meant to.
Giff was one of my childhood sports idols. He was a great Giant  
gotti69 : 4/6/2013 2:30 pm : link
and still looking good going on 83!



Though Bednarik's hit was clean, I will still HATE the Eagles for the rest of my life.


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Gifford was the MVP in 1956  
Defenderdawg : 4/6/2013 2:33 pm : link
He received 12 votes, Bobby Layne QB DET 7, Rick Casares FB CHI 4, Tobin Rote QB GB 2.

While Casares led the league in rushing; Gifford led in total yards, and of course the Giants won the championship.

Gifford received a raise to around $20,000 in 1957. All contracts were on year plus an option.
Videos  
Defenderdawg : 4/6/2013 2:36 pm : link
The hit in 1960
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD3fJuVQ-Qk

1956 NFL Championship Game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg3AAwkIVho
Was his drop kicking  
Headhunter : 4/6/2013 2:50 pm : link
mentioned?
M.S made an important point.  
3putt : 4/6/2013 2:59 pm : link
I can remember when the Giants weren't televised every week and you had to "watch" the game on radio. Unless you were a ticket holder, you might not have had the opportunity to view the players of those days as we do today.
Sam Huff and M.S.  
The Natural : 4/6/2013 3:02 pm : link
what "spot" are you reffering to??
The Colts game  
Headhunter : 4/6/2013 3:09 pm : link
a key third down, if they Gifford the spot the Giants get a first down and run out the clock and win the World Championship
Edward and M.S.  
JoefromPa : 4/6/2013 3:51 pm : link
did a great job, but I will add an abstract.

His Hollywood good looks, and being the medial darling he was, belayed his toughness. He was, for that era, a great football player.

After the injury, he became a star at receiver, how many guys do that, even with today's great athletes?
He's what made me a Giants fan  
Montreal Man : 4/6/2013 4:26 pm : link
Spectacular. You could feel his greatness. You were drawn to it.
i think he still holds the Giants record...  
kinard : 4/6/2013 6:04 pm : link
....for most total TDs in a career (rushing and receiving), doesn't he?
A Great Player, Great Giant,  
clatterbuck : 4/6/2013 6:22 pm : link
and one of the first really big NFL stars. A true "triple threat" when that meant something, he was dynamic versatile, with a toughness that belied the California glamor boy image. He was a boyhood sports idol along with Willie Mays.

And he damned well did make the first down.
I have always wondered  
Defenderdawg : 4/6/2013 6:46 pm : link
if the Giants didn't have to play that playoff with Cleveland for the Eastern Division title, who they had already beaten twice during the regular season, while the Colts were off, what the outcome would have been.

Grier was hurting big time going into that game, the Giants also had some injury issues in the OL in addition to having a OL practice on defense in case Grier couldn't go.
To be fair the Giants made life difficult for themselves that season  
Defenderdawg : 4/6/2013 7:23 pm : link
The Giants despite having defeated the Browns twice, the Colts (without Unitas), made life difficult for themselves especially by losing to Philadelphia 2-9-1, and the Chicago Cards 2-9-1. The other loss was to Pittsburgh 7-4-1.

They also came periously close to losing at Detroit 4-7-1 the next to the last game of the regular season. With the Giants trailing the Lions 17-12, the Lions went for a fake kick on fourth and 2 at their 43 early in the 4th quarter, Yale Lary was was stopped short of a first down and 5 plays later the Giants scored to make it 19-17.

The Lions then had a 25 yard straight on FG attempt for the win blocked by Harland Svare with 73 seconds left.

The Giants lose that game and there is no greatest game.
King Tuck  
FJ : 4/6/2013 7:28 pm : link
You owe it to yourself to read "The Glory Game", written by Frank Gifford about the 1958 Giants team that ended up (spoiler alert) losing "The Greatest Game Ever Played." You'll learn a lot not just about the players but also the NFL game and NYC of that era.

You can see it right on the book cover...  
M.S. : 4/6/2013 7:43 pm : link
...a very nifty cut by Gifford.

Frank Gifford  
OldPolack : 4/6/2013 9:03 pm : link
was as popular as Mikey Mantle and Willie Mays.
He did have a lot of drinking buddies at Toot Shores -
Joe "D", The MICK, Jackie Gleason and the Broadway crowd.
He was also involved in the starting of Monday Night football.
My first year as a fan was in '56  
Big Blue '56 : 4/6/2013 9:20 pm : link
and Gifford won the Thorpe award. I expected magic every time he touched the ball AND, he was handsome as hell..;)
FJ.  
King Tuck : 4/6/2013 9:30 pm : link
I will certainly do that! Looks like a great read.
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