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RE: Xs and Os: SB 42 Defensive Break down (Spag's system)

AnishPatel : 4/9/2013 5:39 pm
This is for fans who are defensive minded like BB'56. BL was interested in seeing this as well. I recently got my old computer working which had all my football files, folders, and game breakdowns. So now I can get a look at some of the stuff from offensive and defensive systems. This is a SB 42 game breakdown which I posted long ago, but had lost some of the files on this computer.

We can see the overall system difference and use personnel which differs greatly from our past systems, which Sheridan and Fewell manned. I am not a defensive minded coach. I normally focus on the offensive side of the ball, but in Fewell's system we keep our safety back to give up the home run ball. This differs from how Spag's used his system.

Spag's system was predicated on over loading A gap, while blitzing from the outside. Ross, his rookie year, was this guy, blitzing from the slot. We also used our safties to our advantage by blitzing them. Gibril The Thrill Wilson was used effectively pressuring various situations.

Below is a post by my friend who was a defensive coach.

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Observations from a defensive coach, part 2....the LBs
wbcoachd1 : 4/2/2008 5:05 pm

Spags uses a variety of fronts....both even and odd (mostly even, but he still used an awful lot of over and under fronts....just mostly with both LBs off the ball.) These alignments, especially used in conjuction with his Bear and Cub packages, allowed for tremendous variety in his stunts up front to work in conjunction with LB dogs and firezones. So how did he mix up alignments? Think of it like this. The "Over" and "Under" tags (and the Bear and cub) simply refer to DL alignments. The Will was usually in a set place though would occasionally be stacked. The Mike and Sam altered their alignments. These are pretty standard. My old team used to say "Plus" or "Minus" and that indicated that the Mike would be shifting strong or weak by 1 gap.

Similarly, there are tags for the Sam, indicating where he should align. Some of ours included "Wide" (90T) "Hip" (align hip of DE off the ball) "Switch" (align inside the DE), etc. At first glance, all this does is confuse the blocking of the OLine. But further analysis over time shows that he will repeat the same look over and over again, perhaps with similar calls by alignment, and then counter his own tendencies. Following is one such example, showing how Spags used his personnel to maximize production while continually confusing the offense.

Technique: Overload a side (Over Bear) and firezone to either side or overload an A gap. These were all a favorite of Spags, from both an Over Nickel look and an Over Bear look. In short, a 1T, a 3T, and a 5T all on the same side (Nose could have been shaded weak, but often wasn't). A 5T on the weak side. Very often, one of the DEs would drop, but not always. The DLs always acted in conjuntion with the LBs/blitzers, to ensure 2 contain rushers, and at least 1 rusher up the gut. So the 3 scenarios:

1) Blitz to the overloaded strong side (lets say Strahan's side for simplicity) Osi would contain, Nose would take the A gap, 3 Tech would occupy the guard and try to occupy the tackle too, Stray would take a wide angle to draw the tackle or bull rush, allowing Sam the contain assignment, and Sam/Nickel would act off Stray. Occasionally, Osi would drop, the Nose would stunt outside for weak contain, the 3T would shoot the A gap, and the other two would be the same. Sometimes Stray would simply drop and simply switch jobs with the Sam, but typically not out of a Bear look.

2) This set up a Firezone with heat coming weak. With the DL overloaded, the hope was to draw the OLine to slide to protect against the masses. This either left Osi one on one, or opened a gaping hole for the Will, one of the safeties, etc. to attack. Basically here Stray would drop, Mitchell and Gibril and the Corner....2 of them would usually come here, but sometimes only 1, sometimes Mitchell and Pierce...The Nose would stay on the A gap, the 3T would either loop around the nose to rush the other side or contain his side if Strahan dropped. Either way, the DLs and LBs ALWAYS worked in conjunction with each other. It didn't matter who got the sack, they all helped each other out.

3) The last was far lower risk, and forced a lot of hurried throws, but didn't produce a lot of sacks. Basically 2 LBs shooting the same A gap 1 after the other, typically Pierce and Mitchell. Often, again, one of the DEs would drop, and the DT on that side would get contain duty if that happened. The nose here was really the key. He HAD to force himself to get doubled so only the RB(s) would be left to block the 2 blitzers. No tackle in the leagues could be expected to get to the A gap on time to block that. This tactic worked very well, but did open up the short middle on quick slants. Usually a standard C3 was called in the secondary for this particular one.

I used that technique 1) because Spags used it a lot and 2) because it shows how much versatility can be put into strange looking fronts. Keep in mind, the "Over Bear" formation is EXCELLENT for stopping the run. 3 LBs are stacked behind linemen, and there is usually a safety in the box on top of it. While it looks as though a weakside run would be effective, there is plenty of room for the LBs to spill, and the sky was usually the force on the weakside on top of it. So he used this look occasionally as a change up to his standard Under Swim look (Even 4-3 Under) and mixed u

I'm not going to go into details on how he used his personnel to stop the run, because he really used very basic 4-3 philosophies to do so....1 gap control up front, spill, force cutback if you're the force. Simple as that.

FYI:

Over Bear--plenty of variations, but Spags liked this one, particularly with no TE (assume Run strength Left, Pass strength Right)

----Y----X---X---O---X---X
-----E------T---T----------E
-F------S---------M-----W

Over Nickel (no run strength in nickel, Strong R): (Z) is off the ball...Y is TE, F is FS, $ is SS, N is nickel, etc.
There are plenty of variations to this one as well, but these formations allowed for tons of variety.

-----Y----X---X---O---X---X------------(Z)------X
---------E-------T-----T-----E
-----F-----W-------M--------------------N--------C

One word about formations:

First and foremost, Spags would always match the offense's formation, so if a team came out with 5 wides, no Bear. Automatic adjustment on the ball if necessary (more on that when I get to his coverage scheme, which is really the backbone that gets this defense to work. In fact, it's by far and away the simplest part of his scheme.)

It's kinda hard to explain all this stuff without getting too technical, but the point is that Spags pretty much didn't care who he had on the field, at any position. Which is why you won't see me here talking about who we're taking in the draft. His scheme was designed to pressure the QB from everywhere, have some deep help most of the time (he did call some cover zeros, but not many) and most importantly try to help out everyone on that defense. It's easy to credit our DEs for getting so many sacks, but really, offenses could not double those guys. What if 2 people were committed to blocking, or even just chipping Osi, and he dropped to the flat?....now at least 1 or even 2 people are getting by unblocked....

By the way, firezones are nothing new, but they do require an awful lot of communication, varied coverage calls, aggressive pattern matching by the underneath zones, and when you're asked to be bait for a double team....you gotta do it. It's really not that complicated a scheme by NFL standards at all....but good god was it effective, especially down the stretch.

Hope that helps. Next one on coverages. That should be more interesting, I would think, since as I said that's what holds everything together.....



Here are the associated techniques and various front names. For those like a BB'56, you can read the front composite and use the fronts listed below to examine in detail the fronts that were used. You can also see how Fewell uses it this season as well to get a good comparison.

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Common Defensive Fronts
All listed DL then LB from Tight to Open
For 1 techniques, t or o will be specified
.5 indicates outside eye instead of outside shoulder
This is all from memory, so it will be close but probably not perfect.

3-4: 4.5, 0, 4.5
7, 20, 20, 7

3-4 Over: 4.5, 1t, 3
7, 20, 20, 6

3-4 Under: 3, 1o, 4.5
6, 40i, 20, 7

3-4 Cub: 2.5, 0, 2.5
7, 30, 30, 6

3-4 Stack: 5, 2, 3
6, 30, 30, 7

4-3 Cub: 3, 0, 2, 5
6, 40, 40i

4-3 Bear: Same as cub, but SS aligns outside Sam, usually “up” (on the line) but sometimes just in the box.

Over Cub: 6i, 3, 0, 3
40, 40i, 6

Over Bear: 6, 3, 1 (either side), 3
7, 30, 30, 5
In Over Bear packages, either safety can come up to be the second 30 tech. So the Mike can line up in either of the 30 spots. Typically the 7 and 5 will be LBs.

43 Swim: 7, 3, 2i, 5
30, 00, 40i

43 Wide: 6i, 2, 2, 5
7, 00, 7

43 Wink: 5, 3, 2i, 5
7, 00, 40i

43 Sink: 7, 3, 2i, 5
40, 00, 7

Under Wide: 4, 1t, 3, 5
7, 30, 7

Under Wink: 5, 1t, 3, 5
7, 20, 30

Under Win: 4, 0, 4, 7
7, 20, 20

Over Wide: 5, 3, 1o, 5
7, 30o, 7

Over Sink: 7, 3, 1o, 5
20, 30, 7

Over Swim: 7, 3, 1o, 5
30, 10t, 40i

Over Sin: 7, 4, 1o, 5
20, 30, 7

Stack: 5, 2, 3, 5
7, 20i, 30

Stack Wide: 6i, 2, 2, 5
9, 20, 30

Stack Switch: 7, 3, 2i, 5
30, 30, 7

That’s a good deal of them, though there are countless others. Eagle is a fancy name for various under looks, for the most part. Most use simple tags to designate variety. Here are some examples:

Mike tags: Plus: Go 1 gap strong.
Minus: Go 1 gap weak.
Example: Under wide plus:
4, 0, 4, 7
7, 40i, 7

Sam tags: Hip: Align off the ball 1 gap outside DE
Skin: Align on the line, inside the DE
Wide: Align on the ball outside DE
Walk: Align on slot (more common for Will)
Alley: Align in the Alley

Will tags: Stack: Stack on DE or DT depending on call
Walk: Align on Slot
Alley: Align in the alley

Safety Tags: Up: Align on line
Box: Align at or near LB level
Alley: Align in the alley on the line

These are some of the more common ones I’ve seen at the college level. There are TONS more. Some of the ones I didn’t list are simple offshoots of these, and may even share the same name in a lot of cases. But nonetheless, I hope it helps.








That being said well summed up by my friend. I would say for those that want to compare the systems of the two to examine the FRONT COMPOSITE, COVERAGE COMPOSITE, & BLITZ COMPOSITES. You can use this and compare it to Fewell's system or even Sheridan's system.

This is the only defensive game I have. I have a lot more offensive games and a breakdown of them for those, like myself, who favor the offensive side of the ball to examine.


This is based on the system I coached in. So below is the techniques I refer to.







Now to the SB game.. Here was an article posted on our game plan.

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How we stopped the greatest offense ever Giants assistant reveals the game plan


By Bill Burt

It was Sunday, Dec. 30, about 10 hours after the New England Patriots officially made history.

The Patriots defeated the New York Giants, 38-35, in one of the most entertaining regular-season games of the year, thus being the first team ever to go unbeaten 16-0.

The Patriots were given the day off with their impending bye week ahead of them.

With a wild card game at Tampa Bay just seven days away, Giants coaches had a little bounce to their step as they were gathered in the conference room at the Meadowlands.

But before they talked about Tampa Bay, the coaches discussed the Patriots.

"We always do that the morning after a game," said Giants defensive backs coach Peter Giunta, a Salem, Mass., native. "Tom (Coughlin) likes to talk about the team we just played and what we would do differently if we played them again.

"And to be honest, we didn't even think about playing the Patriots again (in the Super Bowl) at that point," said Giunta. "But first, we critiqued the Patriots game and then it was on to Tampa."

On the defensive side of the ball, four things had to change.

"One, we had to find ways to get more pressure on Brady. That was No. 1," recalled Giunta (pronounced JUN-ta). "Two, we couldn't give up the big plays, especially to (Randy) Moss. He killed us. Three, we did an OK job on their screen passes, but we would have to be more disciplined in defending it because that is as vital to their offense as the long passes to Moss are. And four, limit the gap running plays, where the Patriots pull their offensive linemen. (Laurence) Maroney didn't have a big game against, but a few of his runs hurt us."

After that short — and from what we've now learned productive — meeting, "The Greatest Show on Turf" wasn't anywhere to be found the Giants' radar. Who were? Tampa Bay, Dallas and then Green Bay, all on the road.

Bills game is key

While there was momentum from the season finale against the Patriots, Giunta says it started the week before against the Bills.

"We were losing (21-17) heading into the fourth quarter," said Giunta, whose Giants team was still, technically, fighting for a playoff berth. "And then we came back. We had two defensive touchdowns (in the fourth quarter). It was a great feeling after that game."

The morning after beating the Packers in overtime to earn a Super Bowl berth, the Giants went back to their notes from the New England game on Dec. 30.

"We played the Packers again a second time, but the problem back then was we played them on Week 2 and by the time the NFC championship came around, they were a different team," said Giunta. "The Patriots were different. We had just played them. And they were the same team. They were still the best team in the league. Trust me, we always looked at them that way."

But the one difference, said Giunta, was the fact that Coughlin went out of his way to break down the job at hand.

"He said, 'We have to win one game, that's it,' " said Giunta. "He didn't want us to get caught up in the 18-and-0 thing. He did a great job at getting everyone thinking that way."

Defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and rest of the defensive coaches went into overdrive.

They went through all of the other tapes from 2007 and realized one method of defending the Patriots didn't work.

"The Jaguars basically rushed three guys the entire game and put the extra defenders in coverage," said Giunta. "As I think everyone saw, it didn't work. Tom Brady had all the time in the world. And every pass he threw was almost perfect. We realized that was not going to be us."

Eagles', Ravens' blueprint

One game that particularly caught the interest of the Giants coaches was not the game everyone probably would have predicted, like Philadelphia or Baltimore.

It was the Patriots game against the Cleveland Browns, on Oct. 7.

The Patriots won, 34-17, which seemed to fit in with all their previous blowout wins the first two months.

But the win was a lot tougher than the stat sheet revealed.

Two of the Patriots touchdowns followed interceptions in Browns territory (34- and 25-yard lines) and another came on a fourth quarter interception return (Randall Gay) for a touchdown.

And while Brady had a very good quarterback rating, 105.7, he completed only 22 of 38 passes for 57.5 percent, his lowest until the Ravens game eight weeks later.

"We learned the most from watching this game. Romeo knew the (Patriots) group," he said of Cleveland head coach Romeo Crennel, the former Patriots defensive coordinator. "The Browns played a two-deep (safety) scheme, mixing them up on third down, especially. Their players always put their hands on receivers at the line of scrimmage, especially on third down. It was the best we saw.

"Romeo didn't want to get beat giving up the deep pass. It was similar to what you saw the Eagles and Ravens do," said Giunta. "But the Browns did it better."

The Browns were the first team that decided Moss, who had averaged 7.8 receptions for 126.3 yards and 1.8 TDs the first four games, was not going to beat them.

Moss finished the Cleveland game with three catches for 46 yards and no scores.

"They also got a little pressure on Brady," said Giunta. "It was really the game that showed us the most."

He really means the second most, because the Giants-Pats game to end the regular season was their barometer, and specifically those notes.

And the defensive game plan was born.

Essential to pressure Brady

"We said No. 1 was Brady had to be kept off-balance," said Giunta. "He is the best quarterback I've ever seen in terms of the total package. He is so patient. He will hold the ball until the last moment. If you give him time to throw, he will make the completion. That was one conclusion we came to. To have a chance we had to pressure Brady."

Another conclusion, courtesy of the Browns, was mugging the Patriots wideouts at all costs.

"Even if we were playing a zone, which we did a lot, we wanted to hit them at the line of scrimmage," said Giunta. "We didn't want any easy throws. Even if they were completed, we were going to hit them."

The other key ingredient to slowing down the most explosive offensive in NFL history (36.8 points a game in the regular season) was winning the line of scrimmage.

"Their offensive line is very, very good," said Giunta. "They not only protected Brady better than anything we had seen, but they were very good at run blocking, too."

Giunta said Media Day on Tuesday was sort of an epiphany for the Giants defensive linemen. They realized something when they walked across the University of Phoenix Stadium field, which was natural grass, for the team picture.

"We realized how fast a track the field was," said Giunta. "I know the Patriots probably thought the same thing, with their team speed on offense, but we felt that the strength of our defensive line was speed and quickness. We were thrilled when we saw the field. We thought it would benefit our rushers on Brady."

Last but not least was the Patriots' running game, which had been on a roll entering the Super Bowl, with Maroney rushing for 550 yards and six touchdowns in the last five games.

The one glitch in those stats was the 19 rushes for 46 yards against the Giants.

"This was on our linebackers," said Giunta. "And Antonio Pierce is the key man here. He takes a lot of pride on run defense. He is also very good at recognizing formations."

Giunta said he wasn't privy to all the details of the offensive game plan other than the basics were ball control (running and short to intermediate passes), no turnovers and move the clock.

"We were going to be conservative on offense," said Giunta. "Tom (Coughlin) and the offensive coaches figured the key was not turning the ball over. But they also figured they could move the ball on the Patriots defense. That meant the clock would be moving, too. ... The bottom line was we didn't want to get into a high-scoring game with them. Their offense is too good."

The plan was to defend the Patriots, on most plays, with four down linemen, five underneath defenders (three linebackers and two cornerbacks) and two deep safeties.

All eyes on Brady

It was the same defense the Ravens used against the Patriots. But the Giants were going to make one adjustment.

"The five underneath guys can't all play with their backs to Brady, which is what the Ravens did," said Giunta. "Because there were a couple of times, one I believe was a fourth-and-6, and Brady took off for a first down because nobody was looking. I realize he's not a runner, but he will run if nobody is paying attention to him."

The game could not have worked out any better, particularly on defense.

The Giants offense did their part to start the game, taking 9:59 off the clock. While they didn't score a touchdown, a field goal and 10 minutes was almost better than seven points.

The Patriots scored a touchdown on their first drive, but it took one play into the second quarter and Brady was knocked down four times on the drive.

"They took the lead but we realized we could get pressure on Brady," said Giunta. "It gave us confidence."

The confidence picked up a notch through halftime. Brady had been sacked three times and knocked down eight times. And Maroney had only 10 yards in eight rushes.

"We thought if we could keep Maroney in check, and our line could pressure Brady, we could make the Patriots one-dimensional," said Giunta. "That's where Antonio (Pierce) came in. The Patriots run the ball, most of the time, when Brady is under center. Well, Antonio makes those calls. I think he was right on every single run."

The pressure continued in the third quarter. Again, there was no scoring as the Giants and Patriots were in the midst of the lowest scoring Super Bowl ever through three quarters, a total of 10 points.

The highlight for the Giants defense was the first drive of the second half. The Patriots ate up 8:17, only to be stopped on a strange 4th-and-13 play.

"They have so much confidence in Brady that that didn't surprise me," said Giunta of the controversial decision to eschew a 48-yard field goal try. "We called a fake, weak corner blitz and spun the deep coverage to that side. Brady saw the hot read and thought he was blitzing and went that way. But we rolled over our safeties on that side and dropped the safety back. There was nobody open."

The first play of the fourth quarter was when the Giants' "survival" tactics turned into going for the jugular. Eli Manning hit tight end Kevin Boss for 45 yards to the Patriots' 35. Five plays later, Manning to David Tyree on a 5-yard pass, gave the Giants the lead, again, at 10-7.

Two drives later, the Patriots answered as only these Patriots could.

With 7:54 remaining in the game and the Pats on their own 20, Brady got some blocking and the Patriots were back.

"That's why they are so great. They made some adjustments, got Brady a little time, and he went back to picking his spots and waiting patiently," said Giunta.

The Patriots finally scored with 2:42 left with Brady hitting Moss for the go-ahead score.

"We were planning on doubling Moss but (Wes) Welker came across in motion and got the double team instead. It was a great call by the Patriots," said Giunta. "Moss is impossible to cover one on one."

The Giants went back to their miraculous ways with Manning working his magic like never before. The eventual game-winner, to Plaxico Burress with 35 seconds left, gave New York a 17-14 lead.

The play of the game, other than the Manning-to-Tyree miracle pass and catch, was the second-to-last play of the game.

On third down, after Brady had been sacked by rookie lineman Jay Alford, the Patriots quarterback rolled to his right, waiting a few seconds, before throwing a bomb to Moss.

Webster an unsung hero

"It was a great call by the Patriots," said Giunta. "He moved over to his right and had to throw the ball 70 yards in the air. Moss just took off. If Corey Webster doesn't run with Moss, stride-for-stride, then Moss probably catches it, scores a touchdown and the Patriots win.

"But Corey got a hand on the ball. People thought the game was over before that play, but if Corey doesn't make that play, the Patriots probably win. I have seen that play many times now and it was incredible."

The last play of the game was another failed bomb, this one hitting the ground in front of where Giunta was on the sidelines.

"I can honestly say it was the greatest sporting event I was ever a part of ," said Giunta. "My view of the Patriots has not changed. They really are one of the greatest teams, and definitely one of the greatest offenses ever in the NFL. And Tom Brady is the best. He really is the best.

"But for one game, we beat them."












SB 42: Giants vs Pats 02/04/08, Glendale, Arizona
Our DEFENSE vs Pats Offense














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Glendale, Arizona 2/3/08 Giants @ Patriots 17-14 Giants Win


NY Giants Defense VS NE Patriots Offense





Blitz Composite:

Quick Stat:

Total number of Blitzes (more then 4 man rushing): 20

Total number of Stunts: 5

In Depth Blitz Breakdown:


Play #:

4 45
6 50
13 53
18 55
20 56
25 57
29 58
33 61
35 68
40 70



Hash:

LH: 12
LM: 0
M: 3
RM: 0
RH: 5


Down & Distance #s:

1st Down: 10


2nd and short: 3

2nd and 5: 0

2nd and long: 3


3rd and short: 1

3rd and 5: 1

3rd and long: 2


Zones:

Red Zone (11-19): 1

Yellow Zone (20 -20): 16

Green Zone (0-10): 3


Front Composite:


Fronts Played by NYG:

Even Front 4-3: 21

Odd Front with something else: 4

Even front with something else: 2

Even Nickel: 28

Even Dime: 18




Hash:

LH: 45
LM: 1
M: 3
RM: 0
RH: 24


Down & Distance #s: (see Front Composite for Techniques played)

1st Down: 30


2nd and short: 5

2nd and 5: 2

2nd and long: 20


3rd and short: 6

3rd and 5: 1

3rd and long: 8


4th and long: 2

Zones:

Red Zone (11-19): 9

Yellow Zone (20 -20): 55

Green Zone (0-10): 9


Coverage Composite:

Cover 0: 6

Cover 1: 15

Cover 2: 31
Cover 3: 5

Cover 4: 2

Prevent: 2


Hybrid ( Cover 5,6 and so): 12




























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Thanks Anish  
chris r : 4/9/2013 6:34 pm : link
I think you just won BBI.
Exceptional Post  
PLmikeNJ : 4/9/2013 6:46 pm : link
This is over the head of most casual fans (which likely resulted in some of the unappreciative comments) but there are many here who really appreciate this kind of material. Cheers!
Beautifully done Anish.  
truebluelarry : 4/9/2013 6:56 pm : link
I appreciate all the time and effort that must have gone into that. Great job!
Awesome read  
mfsd : 4/9/2013 7:26 pm : link
thanks for posting!
That was a great read.  
SoDev : 4/9/2013 7:30 pm : link
Thanks!
Awesome stuff  
Formerly Chris (OH) : 4/9/2013 7:38 pm : link
thanks..
Yea  
Route 9 in LEH : 4/9/2013 7:45 pm : link
I don't understand the snarky comments. Well, it is BBI. Why wouldn't you want to learn more about the game?

I like the quotes about studying the Cleveland game. Interesting stuff.
Loved the aggressive style  
mattnyg05 : 4/9/2013 7:47 pm : link
I really think that is whats missing now. It's a constant mindset, you can't just try to mix it in for a few games like Fewell attempted this year.
Fantastic, thank you.  
bceagle05 : 4/9/2013 7:49 pm : link
Single greatest experience of my life as a sports fan. Just a perfect night, and I never get tired of reading or talking about it.
THis is fucking  
knicks3031 : 4/9/2013 8:06 pm : link
awesome. Thank you
Anish, FANTASTIC! Thanks so much.  
yatqb : 4/9/2013 8:17 pm : link
It will take me a long time, if ever, to digest it all, but it's sure worth the effort.
You da man!!!  
Big Blue '56 : 4/9/2013 9:15 pm : link
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HOLY  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 4/9/2013 9:16 pm : link
SHIT!!
Wow  
Still a Sam Huff fan : 4/9/2013 9:31 pm : link
Thank you so much Anish.

BTW. Just where is Spags now? Wouldn't he look just great in blue?
thats what i kept trying to tell others  
Neverend : 4/9/2013 9:46 pm : link
back in the season when people were shitting on spags and his new orleans defense. the cornerback play was just too awful, patrick robinson had an atrocious year. if your corners cant play man coverage at an at least moderate level, spags scheme almost falls apart.

i for one still think highly of his defensive schemes and philosophies. hes currently unemployed, and i hope the giants bring him back one day
Amazing  
Andrew in Austin : 4/9/2013 10:04 pm : link
I wonder if Eric can archive this. This is really just incredible (even if I only understand 50% of it :))
Thanks Anish  
SwirlingEddie : 4/9/2013 10:16 pm : link
While I grasp most of the concepts, it's still hard for me to follow on paper. I learned a lot nevertheless.

How in the world did you extract routes and coverages from the TV broadcast? I thought that was nigh impossible!
Anish...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/9/2013 10:51 pm : link
do you want me to archive this in the Giant Thoughts section of the website?
Thanks Anish,  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/9/2013 11:14 pm : link
as usual great stuff from you.
Actually this is very good stuff!!  
prdave73 : 4/9/2013 11:30 pm : link
Thanks for sharing. Lots of info..
This is great stuff, and really shows how players have  
PatersonPlank : 4/10/2013 12:07 am : link
responsibilities that the common fan does not understand. Toomany people here will get on a DE for not getting sacks, when his job was mostly opening things up for others. The same goes for the defensive backfield.
the problem now is  
SHO'NUFF : 4/10/2013 12:19 am : link
we have a read-and-react offense combined with a read-and react defense.
You are simply a beast Anish!  
David in LA : 4/10/2013 2:36 am : link
Great job, that was chock full of great stuff!
Remember Rod Rust?  
GmenDynasty : 4/10/2013 3:49 am : link
The Giants org has always had a hard on for read and react crap......

You would have thought they would have learned by now finally....
Some LT quotes after the Sheridan year  
GmenDynasty : 4/10/2013 3:50 am : link
Before the Giants opened Door No. 2 and selected South Florida's Jason Pierre-Paul with the 15th overall pick, Taylor was back to blitzing a Giants defense that surrendered 40-plus points three times in the final four games of '09.

The very unit that had defined LT's two championship teams and had crushed Tom Brady's 19-0 dream had been reduced to a practical joke under Bill Sheridan, the ousted defensive coordinator who appeared to embrace a Charmin-soft approach.

"You can't play read and react and win in this league," Taylor said. "Rod Rust came in with that read and react [in 1992], and I've never in my life seen so many points scored on us.

"The Giants need to get back to attacking on defense. Don't worry about what the offense is going to do and react to that. Attack them and make them worry about what you're going to do."
More info on Rust and Fewell regarding read and react  
GmenDynasty : 4/10/2013 3:58 am : link
It is unclear why ANYONE would wish to fill those shoes and, from the start, the 1991/92 New York Giants appeared headed for utter disaster. Rowdy Roddy Rust preached the Read-and-React Defense, which turned out to be a complete abyss. It thickly stifled superstars like Lawrence Taylor, Pepper Johnson, Carl Banks, and their beguiled, wandering teammates — forcing a naturally aggressive, Super Bowl-caliber defense to sit back on its heels and wait for the offense to make a move.

In 1992, the team went 6-10. Handley and Rust were fired.

We welcome the trainwrecks that litter the roadside of every NFL season.

We do not turn away.

Ride with us.

Read and React but dont overreact
BY RALPH VACCHIANO
There was a players revolt 18 years ago when Ray Handley and Rod Rust tried to turn a once-aggressive Giants defense into a passive read-and-react team. A similar approach didn’t work so well in the final years of Tim Lewis’ reign either.

Perry Fewell, though, seems ready to give it a try again.

It’s not all of what his varied and seemingly complex defensive approach is about, but there’s no doubt that Fewell wants the Giants’ secondary to employ a “Read and React” approach to coverage during this season which is now just one week away. I wrote a detailed story on the Giants’ new defensive scheme in today’s Daily News.

What I found was that, unlike the ’92, the current players like it. And they think it can be a surprisingly aggressive approach, too.

"Perry Fewell's defense is made to bend, but don't break," cornerback Terrell Thomas said. “We’re going to give up underneath throws. That wasn't what the Giants' defense was known for the last couple of years. And I think that's going to be a hard adjustment for the fans and media to see. But I think the overall objective is to create more turnovers."
Eric,  
AnishPatel : 4/10/2013 7:33 am : link
Sure. Its bound to come up again regarding Spags aggressive system vs another DC we may have. The Use of his personnel as all 3 levels , DL,LB and DB was great. Everyone was active! From DL twists and stunts, to LB blitzes over loading A gap to CB and safety blitzes.

Also, since my old computer is alive now, if you want stuff for your football term section like pictures to explain terms I can assist since I have a lot of files I rediscovered. So just let me know.

Awesome break down Anish  
trueblueinpw : 4/10/2013 8:02 am : link
Glad you fixed your old computer Anish. Great job.

Loved the Spags defensive philosophy. But Fewell won a Super Bowl too. Like many here I often find myself scratching my head and yelling at my TV watching the PF defensive schemes.

Do you or your old computer have any insight about why Fewell has had such uneven results as D-co?

Thanks again for posting -great work!
Wow.  
Beez : 4/10/2013 8:13 am : link
Amazing stuff. Not that I can digest even the smallest portion of all that but ... wow. Thanks. Good reading/looking for the next week!
thanks AP, great stuff.  
Victor in CT : 4/10/2013 8:15 am : link
.
Wow  
Johnny5 : 4/10/2013 8:27 am : link
That is just fantastic!
Trueblue,  
AnishPatel : 4/10/2013 8:56 am : link
PF did win and I believe that saved his job. Some stuff changed after the redskin game and before the Jets Xmas game. I remember hearing or reading that Rolle went up to PF and asked for some changes. I thinking was more man press coverage.

I think injuries played a part for his units inconsistencies. However, I think his scheme isn't that sound to begin with. Way too many blown assignments. I can't remember this many for other coordinators schemes. Even the Wes Welkers drop was a blown coverage where half the side got the call and half of the field didn't. How does that happen over and over and over and over and over? Spags was able to do well with his CBs and safeties such as James Butler and Michael Johnson. Fe well struggled withtthe ones we had.

To me, its just a different utilization of personnel. That's where they differ. Spags pushed the issue by blitzing from everywhere. Few ells blitzes are unimaginative and don't get home. Spags blitzed from all levels as seen in the blitz composite above. He forced the issue. I believe Fewelll puts all his eggs in the front 4 rushing basket. If that fails then the scheme gets bent over.
Quite the breakdown  
Go Terps : 4/10/2013 9:00 am : link
Thanks for sharing.
Anish  
dorgan : 4/10/2013 9:23 am : link
is this from the same guy you told me about 4-5 years ago?
I remember emailing him and we had quite an email discussion back then.




AnishPatel...  
M.S. : 4/10/2013 9:26 am : link


...thanks so much for a fantastic review!

Really quite amazing!!!
Dorgan,  
AnishPatel : 4/10/2013 9:29 am : link
Same person. David was his name. obviously from your experience you know a lot about the game. I always saw David as an equally good guy to talk football with. He mainly had the same mentally I do. Offense was my side of the ball. I would read up on the different stuff regarding that and didn't really worry about the other side of the ball. He did thtat with the defense. So we had good conversations where we can ask questions and bounce ideas off of. I told him to sign up for BBI because his posts would be appreciated and to get to talk to you. I figured you and he could hit it off because both of you guys had a lot experience and in my opinion he knows his stuff when it comes to the defense.
Could you delete those first two posts after Anish's  
Friebe : 4/10/2013 9:33 am : link
It's really stupid having those two posts sully this thread.

Great job, Anish.

And Dorgan, I did appreciate your posts. Hope you and Anish post more often.
Yeah,  
dorgan : 4/10/2013 9:33 am : link
he's a good guy and well versed.
I lost his email address. Is he coaching now?
He was between teams the last time I talked to him and wasn't sure if he was even going to coach again.

And in all honesty  
Friebe : 4/10/2013 9:34 am : link
I think if Eric and you two are up for it you could almost do a weekly/biweekly/monthly column.
I think people can handle it Friebe  
Overseer : 4/10/2013 10:04 am : link
Their eyes won't melt reading two posts they don't like.

Great, great post Anish. Worth multiple reads. I think it's really interesting that Giunta so emphatically calls Brady the GOAT.
Dorgan,  
AnishPatel : 4/10/2013 10:35 am : link
I should have it saved. I lost touch with him for like 5 years. Email me and I can send you the email. He is a good guy and definitively knows his defensive stuff.
THIS. IS.  
BigBlue2112 : 4/10/2013 10:46 am : link
AWESOME.
Wow  
JFIB : 4/10/2013 11:10 am : link
A lot of work went into this. I just wish I understood more of it. How about doing another whole version for those of us with limited understanding of these complicated schematics? I'm mostly kidding as I can tell how much time you spent on this Anish! Thanks and I'll try to figure it out.
Thanks Anish  
sjnyfan : 4/10/2013 11:13 am : link
This is incredible. I agree and have been saying the same thing for awhile but would never be able to explain it this well and with such detail. Now if someone asks I'm going to print this out and show them! Thanks again!
This is awesome, thanks.  
Racer : 4/10/2013 11:30 am : link
Thanks to the first two responders also for demonstrating how high a need to go fuck yourself can get to when you mix BBI in with a healthy dose of ignorance.
damn man impressive  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/10/2013 12:48 pm : link
I gotta find time to read it all later, but it looks like you did an awesome job.
Thanks Anish!  
T-Bone : 4/10/2013 1:30 pm : link
I'm going to have to read this when I have some time!
T-Bone  
Big Al : 4/10/2013 1:45 pm : link
Does that mean a bathroom break?
Dorkish one  
T-Bone : 4/10/2013 1:56 pm : link
Hell no. All of that stuff above is too much for that!

Although I did think about it. LOL!
Wow  
CMicks3110 : 4/10/2013 3:21 pm : link
my comment was meant as a joke - didn't realize it stirred up some anger. Not meant to be derogatory at all, great post....
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