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2013 NFL Draft - NYG Review and What I Would Have Done

Sy'56 : 5/2/2013 7:57 am
Guys-

Every year I like to make my own picks for the Giants in real time and compare the two a few years down the road. I mixed it in with my thoughts on what Reese/Ross actually did as well.

I make these picks in real time...meaning once the Giants are on the clock, I write the name down, and thats it. I do not go back and alter the selection based on what happens after the Giants pick. You'll see an example of that in round 3...where I ended up taking a guy that went undrafted! Ouch.

In all seriousness...this is an evaluation process that will play out for a few years. Thanks again for contributing to all of the draft work we've put put there. Its a lot of fun and its something I love to do.

Go Giants.



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Round 1 - #19 Overall:

Justin Pugh – OT/Syracuse- 6’4/307

Very athletic in space. Can get out in front of a back and run like a tight end. Great balance and light, active feet. Comfortable against speed and quickness. Effective pass blocker, can mirror and anchor. Flexible lower half that allows him to bend while maintaining power. Doesn’t punch well. Needs bulk and added strength, especially to his upper body. Timing is off when up against a power defender. Lunges too much and loses track of his mechanics. Won’t move guys off the point of attack.

Prior to the draft, many assumed the Giants would go after an offensive lineman early. Pugh was not a guy discussed very often but it was a selection that makes perfect sense. On a few occasions during the film study, I jotted down that Pugh would be a nice fit inside for teams that like to move their guards laterally. Pugh is a big time presence in space because he maintains athleticism, power, and balance when going after linebackers. He can physically dominate there and those are the kind of blocks that create big runs. My main issue, however, is Pugh lacked a true power presence inside against stronger players. He has some room for growth but in terms of immediate contribution, I see Pugh as versatile the sixth lineman in 2013 that can back up multiple spots.

There is a lot of value there with that kind of role. He is the kind of guy that loves this game, will work his tail off. Combine that with the talent that is already there, and the Giants have themselves a reliable guy for the future that can start for years. When considering that, one cannot look down on the selection at this point. Do I think he will end up being an All-Pro? No. But that’s not always the point of drafting a first round player.

Who I Would Have Picked:

Datone Jones – DE/UCLA – 6’4/283

Incredibly strong hands that can control and shed. Exerts power from his base and delivers a violent punch that jolts the blocker. Versatile. Can play multiple spots, multiple roles along the front line. Played in the 3-4 and 4-3 scheme. Surprising quickness and speed off the edge. Smart player after the snap that reads blocks well. Follows the action and gets in on a lot of plays. Not a true edge rusher that will beat blockers to the edge. May need to play an inside role to be effective. A little slow to pursue in space. Plays too high at times, taking away power advantages.

Going in to the weekend, I had a pretty good feeling Jones was most likely going to be my target at #19 overall. He was my top graded defensive player when the Giants were on the clock. I feel the value of a guy that can control multiple gaps as a run defender as well as make things happen behind the line of scrimmage was what this defensive line needed. Jones is just scratching the surface of his NFL potential. He is not the traditional edge rusher that can sprint by tackles, thus I feel some downgrade him a bit. He’s a guy that is simply tough to block for one man alone. His quickness after engagement with his hands and feet get him free from the power guys. His strength and presence is too much to handle for the speed/quickness blockers. There is a lot you can do with Jones and this defense loves to move their weapons around to exploit those matchup problems.

He won’t be the guy a blows up the stat sheet but will make an entire front seven more effective. That blue collar approach would have been a welcomed addition to this unspectacular line. Looking at the depth chart pre-draft, there were just too many question marks when considering the level of play in the trenches against the run and pass. No team is perfect but if there is one group that should have more than enough options and versatility, it is the defensive line. I’ve always believed that, always will.


Round 2 - #49 Overall

Johnathan Hankins – DT/Ohio State – 6’3/320

Huge frame that moves exceptionally well within the tackle box. Light feet, easy mover. Has an elite burst within a 5 yard window. Strong hands that can get off a single blocker consistently Can fire out low and strong when he has his wind. Will consistently hold his ground against the double team. Shows promise as a well rounded run defender that can eat blocks and make plays. Not well conditioned. Tires way too fast and will lose his presence quickly. Not much of a pass rusher. Lacks the moves and quick hands. Might be a two/three play at a time guy. May never factor as a pss rusher.

Hankins was considered one of the top 10 prospects in the nation during the early part of the 2012 season. I watched him a lot and never came away with the notion that he was a dominant player. He does pass the initial eye test of size, power, and quickness. I’m sure he played at north of 320 pounds during the season, yet was constantly getting off the ball and in to the blocker before they were set up. That is a critical attribute when looking for a good player inside. Hankins has the tools to be an effective player in the NFL. I noticed that the Ohio State scheme moved him all over the line. He would line up at nose tackle, three and five technique, and even outside the tight end at times. While I’m sure it helped their defense, I think it took away from Hankins’ grade as a defensive tackle prospect. He is not a guy that can stay on the field for long, especially lining up outside and pursuing across the tackle box. That’s not his game. He is much better suited to play between the B gaps and man the inside lanes.

Hankins will be a very good run defender that keeps linebackers clean and makes the athletic play behind the line of scrimmage when single teamed. I think he will contribute immediately and it gives this position a great deal of security for the next few years. This acquisition creates a huge sense of intra-team competition for roster spots. The Giants have a deep group of established players inside that have had success. Combine that with some young and able bodies, and we’re looking at a potentially dominant defensive line.

Who I Would Have Picked:

Jamar Taylor – CB/Boise State – 5’11/192

Explosive, physical cover man that can run with anyone downfield. Elite press corner that is strong at the point of attack. Alters the timing of short routes with his ability to jam a receiver. Good reaction skills and timing once the ball is in the air. Anticipates well, quick thinker. Aggressive against the run that will throw his hat in to the action without hesitation. Average tackler in space, needs to slow down if he is going to make a tackle. Can be too aggressive at times, very susceptible to double moves. Had a very hands on approach which won’t fly in the NFL.

Taylor was graded as a first round player on my sheet. He is a fast corner with enough size that does everything well. There is always room for this kind of player in a secondary. His workout times are great but they are more than numbers, his athletic tools translate to the game tapes. He is one of the most aggressive and physical press corners in this class. He understands technique and timing which I really don’t see much when scouting college corners outside of the top tier guys. His presence as an outside run defender is the icing on the cake, he really is a complete corner.

The Giants wanted to beef up their front, which is more than fine with me. But this was a value that I had a hard time passing on because there are too many things that Taylor excels at to look past. The Giants cornerbacks are more than OK for 2013, but there is a scary amount of instability when looking at the younger talent. As we saw last season, cornerback is a position you want to have plenty of depth at. Taylor is a guy that will contribute right away and could easily be starting in this secondary in 2014. In terms of what he brings to a team this year, I see him being a valuable special teamer with his ability to get downfield in a hurry and tackle. And his tool set would get him on the field in specific passing situations in nickel/dime packages.

Round 3 – Pick #81

DaMontre Moore – DE/Texas A& M – 6’4/250

Long athlete that needs bulk before he can handle the power of NFL blockers. Has the frame for more weight. Young prospect that still has plenty years of growth left. All out hustler play-to-play that will go hard through the whistle. Good first step off the snap that pursues well. Makes plenty of tackles far away from his starting point. Can run down ball carriers from behind. Lacks a power presence against stronger blockers. Does not have pass rush moves. Won’t beat guys one on one as often as you’d think based on his numbers. Not sure his success translates well to the next level.

Moore rarely went a game without making some sort of big play. He gets in to the opposing backfield consistently and will bring down the ball carrier, plain and simple. How he gets there could be a good or bad thing, however. Moore doesn’t beat quality blockers at the point of attack. He doesn’t get off blocks with refined moves, hand placement, or quickness. Moore will make his plays based on hustle and a relentless approach to every snap. The optimist will say that kind of attitude cannot be taught, but the technique and strength can be acquired in time. The pessimist can rightfully say that Moore doesn’t have the tool set to beat NFL linemen and tight ends.

Pro football is a man’s game and the difference in power/strength/size from what he was seeing in college cannot be looked past. Moore will need to put forth a great deal of effort for a year or two prior to becoming a factor in this Giants defense. He can be a productive but unspectacular asset to this defense if he spends countless hours on the fine details of the position. Hustle will always help on any level of football, but a player will need much more than that if he wants to succeed in the NFL. He will have time to learn and refine his technique, but his number may be called early on. The Giants have three quality ends but the health of Tuck is up in the air week to week. Plus, this defense thrives when they have a solid 4 man rotation outside. I think Moore will get his 10-15 snaps per game early on.

Who I Would Have Picked:

Alvin Bailey – G/Arkansas – 6’3/312

Has played left and right guard. Big time physical presence that can move players as a run blocker. Engulfs defenders and will control the engagement consistently. Very long arms. Well developed frame that can hold a lot of weight. Maintains balance and strength when moving laterally, effective stretch blocker. Bends at the knees, rarely caught leaning. Started every game of his career and visibly improved each year. Pass blocking was up and down in 2012. Technique isn’t clean yet, loses track of hand placement and feet will get stationary. Slow reaction to the inside stunts and blitzes.

Boy did I miss on this selection. Bailey ended up going undrafted and was picked up by the Seahawks as a priority free agent. It appears I have a much brighter outlook on his career potential than everyone in the league, and that’s being kind. I will hold on to what I think about this kid, however. Bailey has been used on both sides of the ball and has some experience at RT as well. While his greatest attribute is within tight space moving north/south, he showed on tape that he can get out in front and maintain that balance and strength in the open field. I think the upside of his career is up there with any guard in this entire class. His struggles against the quick stunts and blitzes are a result of sub-par footwork and technique. He tries to overpower everyone with his punch rather than use his feet.

With that said, his issues are not a result of physical limitation. Bailey has the athletic ability to be molded in to a starting offensive lineman in the league. He has a specific gathering of physical gifts that can lead to big time success. This is the kind of power presence that the Giants need to acquire for the interior of their offensive line. In the games I saw their offense struggle to get off the ground, there was an obvious disadvantage inside against power defenders. They were getting blown off the ball and lost control of the point of attack. That simply cannot happen. The future of the guards don’t give me a sense of confidence, thus I wanted to bring in a player with a high ceiling that can take a year or two to develop.

Round 4 – Pick #110

Ryan Nassib – QB/Syracuse – 6’2/227

Strong kid with presence in the pocket. Tough minded and will remain in the that way amongst pressure. Well acclimated to reading defenses and making adjustments for both skill positions and linemen pre-snap. Goes through progressions quickly and is a quick thinker, reacts fast. Above average arm strength. Throws a tight spiral downfield. Athletic and tough runner that can pull it down and break off a large gain when the window is there. Lofts the ball too much when throwing deep. Feet need to be worked on post-delivery. Top heavy thrower, needs to use his hips more.

The trade up was not a surprising move because there were some great day two talents available at the top of round four. Whom they actually selected raised a few eyebrows but again, it was a very understandable acquisition. Nassib was graded highly on their board and even though the starting quarterback position is locked up for at least the next few years, he can pay the team enormous dividends a few different ways.

First, he can provide quality depth at the most vital position in the game. We see it every year; a team loses their starting quarterback to an injury and the wheels fall off, season over. Giants fans don’t need to think too far back to remember just how much a backup signal caller can do for a team. Second, Nassib could fetch the team a future draft pick or two if he shines during the preseason action. Teams that are looking for a franchise quarterback will sometimes opt for a young player that’s established at least a little bit of success at the pro level, even if its just preseason, rather than looking to a kid coming out of college. Third, Nassib could potentially be the next starting quarterback of the New York Giants. It may not be for a few years, but it remains a possibility as long as he is on this roster. Getting this much value from any of those avenues from a 4th round pick would be considered a success when looking back at this years from now.

Who I Would Have Picked

Shamarko Thomas – S – Syracuse

One of the biggest hitters in the nation. A brick house that brings a presence to every tackle he makes. Intimidator over the middle that makes an impact on receivers that cross it. Elite speed in coverage and pursuit. Moves at such a rapid pace but shows nice balance and body control. Processes his reads well and shows instinctive movement. Plays a reckless style and will over pursue. Needs to slow down sometimes. Not a consistent tackler, fails to wrap up. Ball skills are average in traffic, won’t get his hands on a lot of passes. Run defender that can be exposed in zone coverage.

I really thought this was going to be the target of Jerry Reese when I saw they were trading up. Thomas presented outstanding value in round 4. I understand he lacks the ideal size of your typical enforcer over the middle, but I think he is going to be a star. He graded out very high on my sheet even though I bumped him down because of the concussion history.

Thomas is the kind of player that raises the level of those around him. He is a game changer. The defender that will deliver those physical hits that ball carriers remember and raise the intensity of an entire team. The athletic skills he shows on tape would be a boost to the secondary that was outmatched far too often last season. He can run with anybody and has shown the ability to make plays on the ball among receivers that are much bigger than him. The lack of height would not be a glaring issue play to play. A future of him and Stevie Brown in the middle of the secondary would give a sense of security to what has been a roller coaster part of the defense for years.

Round 5 - Pick #152

Cooper Taylor – S/Richmond – 6’4/228

Big frame that carries a lot of good weight. Flexible and agile mover in space that can close a 10 yard window real fast. Efficient movement in space as a cover man. Minimal wasted steps. Decisive and usually makes the right decisions. Smart player that gets in or near the action consistently. Has straight line speed. Lacks acceleration in deep coverage. Will fail to wrap up too often. Leaves his feet too soon when attacking the ball in the air. Didn’t stand out against lower level of competition.

I can understand the selection here. The Giants like to use late picks on guys with above average measurables and strong work ethics. Combine those two attributes with good coaching and it hopefully results in a starting caliber player. Taylor is going to have a very specific role within this defense. He will, eventually, compete for playing time as the team’s third safety in specific packages. This is the kind of player that the league is trying to find in an effort to help offset the abundance of receiving tight ends and running quarterbacks.

He is a physical player that can explode downhill and make big hits with some extra physical presence. Sounds like a special teamer to me. I think Taylor’s value will end up being exactly that, which is fine when drafting on day 3. I only saw one game of his and the East/West Shrine game week, so my view of him could be considered on the “incomplete” side. But with what I have seen, he is a nice straight line athlete that plays smart and strong. However I don’t see him being a guy that makes a difference against NFL offenses.

Who I Would Have Picked:

DeVonte Holloman – LB/South Carolina – 6’1/243

Former safety that has been moved up closer to the line of scrimmage. Moves exceptionally well for a guy 240+ pounds. Still has some work to do strength wise. Aggressive, fiery player that brings it every play. Surprisingly will send a jolt to offensive linemen with a strong punch and proper use of leverage. Smart player that plays assignment football. Not a roamer, very disciplined. Rangy player in coverage and against the outside run. Doesn’t wrap up consistently. Power backs can get off his tackles. Will get lost in the shuffle when playing the inside run. Needs more time to get acclimated to linebacker.

Ideally I would have gone after a linebacker earlier but with the way this draft class unfolded, this was the first match of best player available and need. I’ve liked Holloman all year and I think he fits the mold of what the next era of linebackers will look like. He has the frame to be a strong 245+ pounds, but he is still a year away from every down duty. But you can’t teach how fast he plays and he doesn’t play the game like a former defensive back. Holloman is one of the more physical linebackers I graded and shows zero hesitation in taking on blocks and shedding.

The Giants current linebacker group is one of the worst in football. While I do understand and partially agree that the position is becoming less important, I still think an upgrade in young talent was needed. Holloman is a guy that can cover as good as any LB in the class. He played a lot of safety in the SEC and was consistently productive. With him being moved around in 2012, he showed the versatility to play all over the field while maintaining a balanced game of speed and power. I hesitate to call him a developmental guy because I think he could see playing time in this scheme right away as well as bring productive special teams performance. We’ll see what he can do in Dallas.

Round 7 – Pick #225

Eric Herman – G/Ohio – 6’4/320

Big and physical mauler that is at his best in the running game. Can really move guys and create running lanes. Strong and aggressive punch off the snap and plays hard through the whistle. Good footwork and hand placement. Keeps his base moving, will re-anchor and finish plays. Not a good lateral mover. Loses a lot of his presence as a blocker when he has to travel more than a yard to his target. Sloppy technique as a pass blocker and got away with it at a low level of college football. Doesn’t react well to stunts and blitzes.

When it comes to my personal grades on players, this was the Giants best pick value-wise. Herman finished as a top 100 overall player. Any time the Giants select a player in the 7th round with that kind of grade, I give it a thumbs up.

What stands out the most in watching his tape was how consistent he was in finishing off plays. When Herman got the initial advantage off the snap on running plays, and he usually did, he graded out near perfect. If he was a more athletic and efficient pass blocker, I think we are looking at him as a 3rd rounder. He won’t be an immediate contributor but I think he has a good shot at making the team because of the mere fact that his vulnerability to being picked off the practice squad would be very high. I think he has quality starter potential, I really do.

Who I Would Have Picked:

Luke Marquardt – OT/Azusa Pacific – 6’8/315

Big, long, and flexible. Has a nice frame that allows him to play with a blend of athleticism and physical presence. Could add more bulk to his lower half. Fires out of his stance in a blink, reaches the second level easily with balance. Dominated his level of competition. Quick enough to reach the edge is pass protection. Has the length to make up for initial timing mishaps. Can bend at the knees well. Played against a low level of competition. Technique with his hands and feet are inconsistent and immature.

Marquardt has an interesting story. He is a former basketball player that was recruited to play tight end in college. After a broken foot sidelined him early on, he gained weight and coaches started to see the potential on him as a tackle. He learned the trades of the position by former long time NFL offensive tackle Jackie Slater and really shined on tape in the 2 games I saw. He played against a very low level of competition and got by with his tool set rather than skill set. At the end of the day, its hard to find a kid with this kind of size and quickness. He reminds me of what Jared Gaither type, except a little more foot quickness.

At this point of the draft, I had only added one offensive lineman in Alvin Bailey, whom I think will be best suited inside. I saw Marquardt available and thought it would have been a great opportunity to bring in a high-upside, potential long term solution to either spot on the outside. Marquardt could come in here right away and be the backup tackle of the future, taking that role away from James Brewer. A team will never have too many big, able bodies that protect the quarterback.

Round 7 – Pick #253

Michael Cox – RB/Massachusetts – 6’0/222

Explosive downhill runner that can hit the hole in a blink. Effective north/south guy when he is decisive. Has the size/explosion combination that NFL backs need. Very good hands out of the backfield, catches easy and with fluidity. Won’t break a lot of tackles and doesn’t fight for the extra yards. Not as physical as you’d think at his size. Won’t greet blitzers with aggression. Upright runner with limited lateral agility in space.

I don’t know much about Cox. I only saw one game of his this season and he wasn’t on the field too much. He has an intriguing skill set considering the size and frame. He needs to get stronger though, especially in his lower half. His legs look weak when taking tacklers and blitzers, as he doesn’t show that staying power.

The Giants backfield is likely set up for good in 2013. It is a position with a lot of injuries year to year though, and we’ve seen success come from unlikely players there over the past few years. I see Cox as a practice squad body for one year that will be given time to get stronger and work on the finer points of the position.

Who I Would Have Picked:

Kevin Reddick – LB/North Carolina – 6’1/243

Versatile linebacker that is best suited inside because of his ability to flow towards the action and beat blockers to a point. Sound tackler that wraps up and will deliver a jolt to ball carrier. Has the presence you want against the inside run. Was used as an edge rusher on passing downs. Anticipates the snap and can sneak through lanes and apply pressure. Shows a lot of promise as a blitzing linebacker. Gets overwhelmed by blockers. Will not win the engagements against linemen if he doesn’t win the initial positioning battle. Not a good athlete in coverage. Loses speed and quickness when dropping back in to a zone.

Reddick going undrafted was one of the mysteries of the weekend for me. I really thought he had a good shot at being a 3rd or 4th round guy. He may be a 2 down player at the next level, but he excelled in the game tapes I watched against the run. He is not a rangy defender, but he has a nice blend of power and quickness within the tackle box. Reddick can do a lot for a defense. He is a quality pass rusher and reliable tackler with some instincts to him. He’ll make a team and start somewhere, I’m sure of it.

As I stated above, the current group of Giants linebackers will get beat up by opposing teams that run the ball well. The gap between Reddick and a guy you can find for cheap in the free agency market may be small, but that’s really not the point here. Their front seven could end up being an Achilles heel late in the year when they need to stop the run. Sure it all begins up front. But mediocrity on that second level against the run and short passing game will come back to haunt this team.


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Short Comparison

GIANTS DRAFT

1 - Justin Pugh - OT/Syracuse
2 - Johnathan Hankins - DT/Ohio State
3 - DaMontre Moore - DE/Texas A& M
4 - Ryan Nassib - QB - Syracuse
5 - Cooper Taylor - S/Richmond
7 - Eric Herman - G/Ohio
7 - Michael Cox - RB/Massachusetts

SY'56 DRAFT

1 - Datone Jones - DE/UCLA
2 - Jamar Taylor - CB/Boise State
3 - Alvin Bailey - G/Arkansas
4 - Shamarko Thomas - S/Syracuse
5 - DeVonte Holloman - LB/South Carolina
7 - Luke Marquardt - OT/Azusa Pacific
7 - Kevin Reddick - LB/North Carolina


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Sy  
English Alaister : 5/2/2013 11:34 am : link
The work you have done this year has been outstanding. What an asset to BBI you are.
Sy - I love the draft  
Optimus-NY : 5/2/2013 11:50 am : link
What fun it is for geeks like many of us to follow it. thanks for your contributions.
Sy  
Spark Em Up 22 : 5/2/2013 11:51 am : link
Question about the first pick of round 7. If You had Herman as a top 100, why wasn't he the player you would have selected instead of that massive tackle?
Spark  
Mike in NY : 5/2/2013 11:53 am : link
He said that it was because in his shadow draft he had selected Bailey and did not believe the Giants needed 2 OG's (the Giants will probably start Pugh at RT and move him inside only if he cannot handle RT)
Alvi n Bailey was never drafted..  
spike : 5/2/2013 11:54 am : link
signed as a FA
Thanks Mike  
Spark Em Up 22 : 5/2/2013 11:58 am : link
makes sense. I like Sy's round 4-6 draft better than what Reese ended up doing
Sy, I like your projected draft better, except for one point.  
Red Dog : 5/2/2013 12:02 pm : link
They had backed themselves into a corner with no way out.

They absolutely HAD to get somebody who could potentially start at ORT this year because Diehl is essentially done, Brewer is a bust, they really don't know what they've got in Mosley yet, and they are basically out of cap space so they can't do another McKenzie-like deal this year.
Sy  
BigBlueBuff : 5/2/2013 12:15 pm : link
I'm interested to know what positions you've been most successful with and which that you've missed more. Have you done any self scouting and thought about this? Just curious.
This is  
PaulN : 5/2/2013 12:20 pm : link
The way I would have drafted

1- Sharrif Floyd DT
2- Jamar Taylor CB
3- Damontre Moore DE
4- Khaseem Greene LB
5- Jordan Mills OT
6- Andre Ellington RB
7- Reid Fragel OT

My favorite Giants pick was Moore, by far, I love him.
Very well done, and a great read!  
TC : 5/2/2013 12:25 pm : link
Thanks, Sy!
Looking back though  
PaulN : 5/2/2013 12:36 pm : link
I think the Giants were right to draft Pugh, as you can see, my draft I got 2 projects, the Giants do need to guy to start right away, now time will tell. I screamed for joy with the Moore pick, I screamed in anger with the nassib pick, I really would have loved Greene, but with the Giants not using the LB's like other teams, you have to understand what they are thinking, and i have come around to nassib also. That was honestly the way i would have drafted, when the Giants picked Pugh, right before that I said you have to go Floyd there. All my picks were based on value and giants percieved needs in my view, I would have loved an early OT, but not taking Pugh made it really impossible, as the value just was not there later either, not until round 5 for the way I would have gone. If the Giants had doe what I would have, i would have been happy, but very disappointed in the fact that i did not land an OT early, that would have been the bummer for me.
Good work as always  
jLefty : 5/2/2013 1:12 pm : link
Seems like most picks will contribute this year.Moore is the most exciting but as you report is a year away from really finding his game in the pros.
I went...  
Amtoft : 5/2/2013 1:17 pm : link
1st - DE Tank Carridine
2nd - LB Arthur Brown
3rd - OL Barret Jones
4th - DT Jesse Williams
5th - OL Chris Faulk ooopppss
7th - WR Da'Rick Rogers
7th - DB Tony Jefferson

My Draft  
PaulN : 5/2/2013 1:37 pm : link
Using Mayock's top 100 board.

Giants Picks

Pugh - 24th
Hankins - 58th
Moore - 33rd
Nassib - 50th
none of the rest of the picks are in the top `100.

My Picks

Floyd - 2nd
Taylor - 51st
Moore - 33rd
Greene- 69th
Jordan Mills - not in top 100
Andre Ellington - 75th
Reid Fragel - not in top 100

Looking Back again  
PaulN : 5/2/2013 1:49 pm : link
Looking at what I would have done with the way the draft unfolded, I would have been really happy with adding some great talent to the defense Floyd is top 5 value at the 18th pick, Taylor is about just right at our second pick, maybe just a shade high, but the best cornerback at that point in the draft. Moore is almost 1st round talent in the third round, Greene is third round talent in the 4th round, and Ellington is also third round talent in the 6th round, I think Mayock had Ellington the 3rd or 4th rated running back in the draft, and the Skins got him, they are getting great at picking running backs late in the draft, great. But the two tackles are both projects abd would not have contributed this season for certain, and neither are guarentee's, they were the best value at tackle at that point in the draft.
thanks Sy.....  
Simms11 : 5/2/2013 1:55 pm : link
really good analysis. I enjoy reading your comments.
Yup  
KWALL : 5/2/2013 1:57 pm : link
I think we are going to regret not picking Thomas.

He's a great fit in PIT. Steelers had an excellent draft especially in the mid rounds.
Great call on Thomas  
B in ALB : 5/2/2013 2:10 pm : link
Completely agree and wanted him from the jump. The Nassib pick is still a bit of a head scratcher for me especially when Thomas could have been had.
Draft Insider Top 200  
PaulN : 5/2/2013 2:13 pm : link
Floyd - 5
Taylor - 28
Moore - 38
Greene- 72
Jordan Mills - 84
Andre Ellington - 133
Reid Fragel - 119

Great value had we gone this way, according to these guys.
Link - ( New Window )
I honestly thought that the Giants were trading up for  
Jay on the Island : 5/2/2013 2:15 pm : link
Shamarko Thomas and I was thrilled because I think he is going to be a great safety. I agree with you KWALL I think the Steelers did very well except I thought the Bell pick in round 2 was a reach.
Spark Em Up  
Sy'56 : 5/2/2013 2:56 pm : link
To answer your question about Herman...I did not select him later on because I had already taken Bailey. This draft class didn't have room for 2 guards.
BigBlueBuff  
Sy'56 : 5/2/2013 2:59 pm : link
I perform self scouting at the end of every draft. I will look back and what I did right and wrong with this class and what I can do to get better. I will also look at some reports/grades from 3-4 years ago and try to find things that worked and things that didn't work.

In terms of positions I've had success with...I would say LB and Safety. I was a LB back in the day...not sure if that has anything to do with it honestly. Offensively I have done well with WRs, OT and C.

When looking at some of my grades that were far off...I would say DT, DE, and G have been my worse. CBs I have had some significant misses as well.
Hankins should be a better as a Pro DT  
bronxgiant : 5/2/2013 3:07 pm : link
because he wont have to play the whole game. With the number of DT's on the squad joseph and Hankins should be fresh to be more attacking. Great to add a young DE to the mix to learn
and increase his pass rushing moves.
Right or wrong, Sy  
SwirlingEddie : 5/2/2013 3:24 pm : link
your opinions and commentaries have been a big plus to BBI. Thanks!

Lets revisit this thread in 2-3 years and see where we're at!
Always informative  
jLefty : 5/2/2013 3:59 pm : link
Always fun to read and digest.
me no agree  
hilary f : 5/2/2013 4:10 pm : link
I see offensive and defensive tackle as more pressing needs than defensive end.Kiwi,JPP,and Tuck when healthy are excellent players and there are others like Ojomo,and Tracy who have shown promise.The Giants were dominated by the defensive ends on the right side of the line in several games last year (Bengals,Steelers) and have no one to play left tackle if Beatty is hurt.I am sure that the Giants put a lot of time into watching tape and games and think Pugh will be capable of playing well at either tackle position.The signings of Rogers,Jenkins and Patterson indicate that Reese and Coughlin were more concerned about the tackle spots thant the ends.Any find after round three is a bonus.
Floyd at #19 would've been a Amukamara-type steal  
SHO'NUFF : 5/2/2013 4:24 pm : link
I also wanted Shamarko Thomas in the 4th...
Sy. I think your picks are great and agree that Pugh might not have  
Marty in Albany : 5/2/2013 4:26 pm : link
been the BPA. However, the Giants were desperate to fill a hole that led directly and painfully to Eli. If there is ever a reason to make "reach" and take the "best OT available" it is to protect the franchise QB.

Great stuff, as always, Sy.  
Section331 : 5/2/2013 4:32 pm : link
I was wondering, how did you have Shariff Floyd graded? he was the guy I thought the Giants should have grabbed when he fell. Curious to see your thoughts. Thanks.
Section  
Sy'56 : 5/2/2013 4:43 pm : link
I had Floyd graded as the #9 overall player, slightly ahead of Jones.

I felt the need for a player like Jones on this current roster had more value however. More so than the slightly better grade than Floyd finished with.

The issue with Floyd is the lack of length and NFL-sized girth. He is not a thick guy...nor do I ever see him being much heavier. He is a powerful athlete but he won't be guy that fares well against power blockers/double teams. I think he may be a scheme-specific guy. I can't help but think of Glenn Dorsey when watching the Floyd tapes even though he ended with an 84 on my sheet...which is usually good for top 15 in any class.
thanks Sy  
Spock : 5/2/2013 6:49 pm : link
I enjoyed the read.
Good job Sy..  
prdave73 : 5/2/2013 7:48 pm : link
I really think we missed the boat on Jamar Taylor.. His play reminds me a lot of Darelle Revis. We will see.
Great stuff Sy  
ChathamMark : 5/2/2013 7:52 pm : link
Appreciate it!
Great  
AcidTest : 5/2/2013 7:59 pm : link
stuff. Your first two picks are who I had in my mock draft. Pugh was drafted too high IMO. Can do a lot, but versatility isn't enough to warrant the #19 selection. Couple that with his short arms and lack of strength, and it appears he will have to kick inside. I don't want to use the #19 pick on a guard, unless it's somebody at the level of Cooper or Warmack. And Pugh has never played center.

The Hankins pick was fine. We got creamed up the middle last season. I didn't know that Taylor has high blood pressure and treatable kidney damage. That might have affected where I drafted him. I am worried because we didn't draft a corner, especially in a corner rich draft.

Moore has to get a lot stronger, just like Pugh. That is part of his need to show greater commitment to preparation. It's not enough to show up on Saturday (or Sunday). This is the NFL. You can't skate by on natural ability.

After taking D. Jones in the first, and Hankins/Taylor in the second, I would have gone for Brandon Williams or Brennan Williams, probably the latter, in the third.

Nassib was fine.

I think there are too many question marks on this draft.

Everybody missed on Bailey and Reddick. Don't beat yourself up.
Great Stuff Sy  
Rudy57 : 5/2/2013 9:20 pm : link
Regarding Reddick, if you had him rated as a 3rd/4th rounder why did you wait to take him until the late 7th and not the 5th or 6th? Was there any players taken in the 3rd round or above that you thought were way off?

I am not a college guy so I rely on you and others that really study these guys. I appreciate the effort. I like to watch the draft and always wonder why guys fall so far.

What round did you think Nassib would go? I understand the Giants taking a QB if he falls in your lap but I dont understand giving up picks to get him. We have a great QB and I believe capable backups. Just wondering if he really is a top talent.
Reese  
blue42 : 5/2/2013 9:58 pm : link
needs to see these picks BEFORE the draft so he change his board before the draft.
Sy  
Torrag : 5/2/2013 10:30 pm : link
Given that you didn't waste our 4th rounder on a player that hopefully never sees the field I would have liked your draft. Only problem is that Bailey selection in the 3rd was ugly. I'm not a Reddick fan...at all...but in the 7th I could stomach it.

The Giants draft depends on Justin Pugh. If he's a bona fide RT in the league it's a good draft. If he isn't they set the franchise back in a major way.
Torrag  
Sy'56 : 5/2/2013 10:53 pm : link
Yes...the Bailey pick was off in value by a lot. Oh well.

But I think the success of this class is more than just Pugh. When I look at my depth chart database....I come away with the goal of acquiring 3-4 quality contributors from every class (UDFAs included). If Pugh does well but the others bust...I cannot see this as a success.
Sy, good read.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 5/2/2013 11:17 pm : link
I like Jamar Taylor and Cb is a huge need, but I think this is a year the Giants will dread missing out on a superb LB prospect in Brown. Its obvious the Giants still don't value the LB position, but as the league changes, I think this is a huge mistake. We'll see where it goes.
It is interesting to note  
DG : 5/2/2013 11:36 pm : link
that many of the other successful teams have no issues with drafting LBs.. Brown is going to be a very good player i think.

Why do other good defensive clubs appear to value LBs more highly than the Giants? One would be hard-pressed to find an NFL team that places less value on LBs than the Giants. I don't know what the answer is. Perhaps someone on this forum who knows more about football than I can answer this.

The proof will be seen this season.
Great comments, Sy ....  
Manny in CA : 5/2/2013 11:42 pm : link
I do understand the Giants picking Pugh because things are desperate at RT and he is solid.

The Nassib pick is a head scratcher, but other than Eli getting seriously hurt (and gone for an extended time) I don't see him getting a chance to play before his contract is done. So, I would defer to your Thomas pick.

In round #5 I would have gone with Marquardt (who you took in the 7th round). I've been talking him up for a while. The 49ers picked him up as a free agent, but as rich as they are, we might still get a shot at him.

I love the Herman pick; with the kind of coaching the Giants have, a line with BOTH Herman & Marquardt on it would be nothing short of SCARRY.


underated Moore  
uconngiant : 1:14 am : link
He is twenty years old with very long arms and played in the best conference in college football. He will easily carry 270 lbs. as long he doesn't lose his first step he will be a very good pro.
Great stuff Sy. I really enjoyed reading your draft reports.  
Victor in CT : 6:28 am : link
I really liked Jone for the Giants, but I am happy that they went "big" early regardless. My biggest beef was the Nassib selection. Made no sense to me to trade up and waste an extra pick for a QB who Reese himself hopes never plays. As for getting a draft pick for him, after seeing the results with Matt Cassel in KC and Flynn unable to beat out Wilson in Seattle, who would pay anything for an untested 4th round draft pick? Wasted pick, especially with Barrett Jones there after the trade and Greene the LB there if they had stood pat.
Do the Giants have a chance to be really good  
GmenDynasty : 8:39 am : link
If Eli goes down with Carr or Painter? Absolutely not.

With Nassib if he turns to be the type of Qb the Giants believe he can be, you could win with him.

So he's great insurance AND don't forget the bounty that many back up Qbs have gotten from other teams.

No problem with this pick in the fourth round at all. Earlier maybe but 4th round the value was just too glaring to pass up.
you actually think Nassib in year one or two  
islander1 : 8:52 am : link
is going to be better then Carr?

I don't.
islander  
Mike in NY : 10:20 am : link
Respectfully disagree. Against back-ups playing vanilla schemes in preseason Carr looked like a deer in headlights. Nassib has work to do, but I do not think Carr would do any better than Nassib at this point
Victor  
Flynn was beaten out by Wilson and played poorly during the preseason yet the Raiders still traded two draft picks to Seattle for Flynn and he is now their starter. If you want to mention former trades look back to when the Falcons traded Matt Schaub to the Texans for two 2nd round picks. That trade worked out. Hell Chase Daniel who has looked awful in the preseason and was also a former undrafted free agent just signed a 3 year 10 million dollar deal with the Chiefs.
Re: Nassib  
Sy'56 : 10:32 am : link
I understand the distaste for the pick...especially considering it was a trade up. But the Giants had a very high grade on him.

In this game...you hate to have so much riding on one player, no matter what position it is. I am OK with Carr as the backup...but who knows how long he is here. Having a quality backup is important. You may not see how vital is week to week...but I would hate to see the Giants' roster lined up for a championship run and have it ruined by an injury to one player, Manning. The backup QB is very important....but you don't realize it until the worst case scenario occurs.
I want a great backup QB  
fkap : 1:44 pm : link
and I hope he never plays. Much better than a crappy backup and end up having him play.

It isn't rocket science to figure out what was meant by the 'hope he never plays comment'
Carr  
PaulN : 5:24 pm : link
Is horrendous, and Nassib should be better in short order, look around you, have these new QB's had any trouble adjusting to the NFL anymore? NONE. With the new rules, it is not an issue.
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