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Agent's Take: Looking at what's next for Victor Cruz

jerrydo : 6/12/2013 5:37 pm
Very in-depth look at the contract situations facing the Giants and their WRs.

I know this topic is beaten to a pulp but I thought the article was well conceived.
Agent's Take: Looking at what's next for Victor Cruz - ( New Window )
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Rick5 and a few others  
Semipro Lineman : 6/13/2013 11:55 am : link
I just checked the salary page on BBI and right now there are only six Giants who play offense (Eli, Wilson, Beatty, Baas, Dielh, and Snee) slated to make a million dollars in 2014. (I'm not counting Myers options.) There's a similar number of defensive players who are being paid well.

I know that's not their cap number but it seems to me that the Giants are set up going forward to add to that number as at least two to four of their larger contracts will soon be off the books. (Rolle, Baas, Snee, and Webster)

So I disagree that the Giants can't afford two big-time receivers.
Correction  
Semipro Lineman : 6/13/2013 11:57 am : link
there are only five giants on offense with a salary over a million dollars in 2014. I brain-freezed by adding Dielh to the list
Article  
Percy : 6/13/2013 12:03 pm : link
Super-informative. Thanks. I'm troubled by the view (or reality) that Nicks and Cruz cannot both be part of the team long-term. Clearly each makes the other better and each is less without the other. If that's accepted -- and maybe it isn't or maybe there's someone else who can develop into the same kind of threat one of them represents (but that's iffy) -- one would think both and their agents would be on the same page trying to work out something collectively for the common interest of both, as opposed to separately, to have that pairing last as long as possible and that Reese/Coughlin would be on that page, too.
Semipro -  
Rick5 : 6/13/2013 12:09 pm : link
Thanks. The part we don't know though is what they are thinking going forward in terms of the big picture. The article points out that most teams don't have the luxury of having two expensive WRS. Clearly, there is a long-term cost to having two highly paid WRs locked up in the sense that it might negatively influence signing (and re-signing) other players. No? I wonder if they think it is worth it or not?
Rick5  
T-Bone : 6/13/2013 12:17 pm : link
It's interesting he states that Seattle is the only team in the league with both starting WRs making over 8 million a year. I'm sure it helps that they have a QB who's still on his rookie (and not second or third) contract.
Rick5 :  
Rob_MTL : 6/13/2013 12:25 pm : link
Most teams don’t even have two receivers that are as good as Nicks/Cruz.
BBI  
Simms : 6/13/2013 12:25 pm : link
This is one of the best posts I have ever read on BBU. Thanks to all I appreciate your efforts.

If I may ask a simple question?

If the normal fan understands the issue with Cruz putting up numbers as a WR due to our system allowing at this point for Victor to excel ... and we need to be able to pay our other WR of worth to assist the team to be successful ...

Why would Victor attempt to get blood from a stone?
Being a local boy it would be win win for him within the big apple market ... vs becoming a Tiki - Lite situation.

Kind of shooting himself in the foot no? Little short sited.

It seemed pretty clear once we had injuries etc last season Cruz at times grew short arms going for passes (see Baltimore game) and could not carry us.


Rick5  
Semipro Lineman : 6/13/2013 12:41 pm : link
My speculation is that they are going to allocate a portion of the budget to Nicks and Cruz and do their best to get both of them in it. If they can't then they will go to a plan B which I believe involves getting Nicks signed because he is less easily replaced than Cruz. At least that's seems to be the public plan they allowed to leaked.

But regarding the team wide big picture, I'm sure we will continue to see another big free agent added to the Defense soon probably in the secondary and it looks like mid-level veteran defensive linemen will be added to the mix as well. We probably won't see another large free agent signing on offense for a little while
Rob - yeah,  
Rick5 : 6/13/2013 12:47 pm : link
I actually had something about that in my original reply (i.e., most teams don't have two WRs that good, so maybe it's a non-issue). Nevertheless, the guy who wrote that article is a professional agent and probably understands the nuances of the cap very, very well. I am trying to consider the source here.
with throwing becoming such a big part of the game  
Giants11 : 6/13/2013 12:56 pm : link
I wonder if going fwd teams will budget more $ towards the WR position and in that model fork over the big $ for 2 WR's and a franchise QB. You can already see them taking that money away from the RB position with the WR contracts that have been signed this off season.
Rob -  
Rick5 : 6/13/2013 12:56 pm : link
I meant that I wrote something about it but edited it out before I made the post.
Rick5 :  
Rob_MTL : 6/13/2013 1:03 pm : link
Rodger that :)
Semipro Lineman :  
Rob_MTL : 6/13/2013 1:09 pm : link
The defense is on the verge being retooled, that includes the coaches.
Did not read  
PaulN : 6/13/2013 2:18 pm : link
The article, do not need to read it. Thd Giants have placed a number on Cruz, what they believe Cruz is worth paying on this team, and I think that the Giants need to continue to stick to that offer, IF the agent approaches the Giants and has a compromising offer, say they back off of their demands and come closer to what the Giants are willing to pay, then they need to listen to what the new proposal would be, if it is close enough, maybe then you say what the hell, but NEVER bid against yourself, NEVER. For those who think that Cruz is indispensable, I disagree with that notion, would it hurt the team not to have Cruz, sure it would, but other players would get an opportunity to help the team, and you never know what happens in those situations. I hope we sign Cruz, I like Cruz a lot, but I am 100% behind the Giants on this one, we are a team, not a bunch of individuals, for that role go play for the Jets, that is what you have over there.
Pauln  
Rob_MTL : 6/13/2013 2:38 pm : link
Quote:
NEVER bid against yourself, NEVER


Seriously. How is that even possible???

Is Jerry Reese and his multiple personalities bidding on the same player?
2013 WR Cap numbers  
Rob_MTL : 6/13/2013 2:51 pm : link
For those interested this is how much each team has spent on the WR (2013)

Team WR
Seahawks $20,793,974.00
Eagles $20,651,537.00
Lions $19,931,439.00
Bears $19,706,243.00
Redskins $19,664,925.00
49ers $19,525,698.00
Chargers $18,544,633.00
Falcons $18,434,583.00
Texans $18,267,999.00
Titans $17,112,746.00
Cardinals $16,299,247.00
Jets $14,287,050.00
Saints $13,530,600.00
Panthers $13,449,838.00
Bills $13,362,400.00
Chiefs $13,113,378.00
Colts $12,812,020.00
Packers $11,614,964.00
Giants $11,595,979.00
Patriots $10,905,916.00
Broncos $10,724,159.00
Ravens $10,128,964.00
Bengals $10,020,118.00
Steelers $10,013,862.00
Cowboys $9,838,415.00
Dolphins $9,818,403.00
Jaguars $9,681,040.00
Vikings $9,530,173.00
Buccaneers $8,326,562.00
Browns $7,904,095.00
Raiders $5,407,298.00
Rams $4,173,053.00


Rob  
Optimus-NY : 6/16/2013 4:56 pm : link
Always put a source; I suspect this is it.


NFL Salary Cap Spending by Position - Offense (courtesy of overthecap.com) - ( New Window )
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