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“I grew up a Dallas fan and, you know, I always watched the Giants,” Moore told the Landry Hat. “Those were always the guys beating Dallas, and I like, I didn’t like them. Now, that I’m on that side, I can be with the winning team.” In the last five years, the Cowboys have gone 3-7 against the Giants. |
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At 19 & 20 he balled in the SEC. All he needs is the right attitude and work habits.
I don't see that as a problem. Moore is ridiculously young, and he doesn't appear to have the kind of explosive talent that can overcome raw technique and a frame that hasn't filled out yet. There's no rush to get him on the field, where he would probably get manhandled at this point.
That said, as far as we know, JR hasn't spent a third-round draft pick on a murderous psychopath. Even the Patriots aren't that reckless: they waited until the fourth round to take Hernandez.
i think hankins is the safer pick the guy is a mountain
just his presence should glog the line and help the run defence
but i like moores upside more he reminds me of tuck and kiwi when they were drafted he will surprise alot of people this year unless tuck is back to his old self i see him getting 8-10 sacks this year
Everyone who scouted Moore - including his supporters - seems to agree that he's a very raw young talent who needs time to develop physically, technically, professionally and emotionally. Even if you're right about his talent and readiness, there is absolutely nothing in recent Giant history to suggest that he will see the field much, barring an injury epidemic.
We don't know about the character piece. It is clearly the big reason for his drop in the draft. That's where his risk is.
We can only hope.
I think the norm for the Giants is to dress 22 players on one side of the ball and 21 on the other, with three specialists. Even if the 22 are on defense, there really isn't room for an extra DE. Could Moore catch Coach Quinn's eye with some impact plays in pre-season? Sure, but he will still need to climb to at least the #4 spot on the depth chart - or show something special in the hybrid Joker role - before his ST skills get him a helmet on game day. Otherwise, suppose he's #5 and Tracy is #4. Are you going to sit the better DE, who is also a proven contributor on special teams?
Ideally, the light bulb goes on for Austin, and Hankins is ready to contribute sooner rather than later. Then you have Hankins behind Joseph and Austin behind Jenkins, with Kuhn waiting on PUP. So, in the best-case scenario, maybe none of the three vet-min signings make the final 53. I don't see more than one of them sticking, unless injuries hit the top of the DT depth chart.
As for Pierre-Paul, I just hope you're wrong. Not only would he be missed during the first two months of the season, but it's pretty unusual for a player to be himself after coming off PUP. Most recently, guys like Canty, Beckum and Barden have done very little after returning.
Before i get lynched, Kevin Ogeltree was a high school friend to not only myself but a bunch of my closest friends growing up in Whitestone Queens.
Its just one of those things where we all wosh him all te success in the world even though we hated the team he played for.
In watching the Skins last year, they had terrible sledding against 3-4 teams with a big nose and rangy OLBs. I have to think TC noticed and is pushing to use more 3-4 type alignments for those sets. I see a big nose like Rogers or Hankins, Joseph, Jenkins, Patterson or even Austin at end and Kiwi, Tuck, Tracy, Moore as de facto rush LBs in those sets. Having three LBs who can move (Williams, Curry, Rivers, Paysinger) behind them is a big plus and given Mundy and Taylor being brought in as big thumping SS types who can anchor the run, I honestly see more 3-4 cover 2 looks being put in. I may be imagining it, but I see a concerted effort player wise in getting two way DEs and rangy DEs who can double at OLB in a 3-4 set in some formations.
Keep in mind that, even in his prime, Rogers was a disappointment at nose tackle role in Cleveland, to the point where the Browns tinkered with him as a five-tech. Also, like Rogers - to whom he was compared coming out of UT - Okam probably projects best as a 4-3 DT, although he hasn't played enough as a pro to really show that he fits anywhere.
The thing that makes DT so interesting is that all eight guys have a legitimate shot. (At DE, by contrast, three guys are clearly on the outside looking in at this point.) The easiest moves at DT are probably PUP'ing Kuhn and cutting Okam - or Rogers, if he looks done. After that, barring new injuries, it probably comes down to Austin vs. Patterson to back up Jenkins at 3-tech, and whether there's room on the final roster for five DTs. If they only carry four, and three of them weigh 320+, then you might be on to something - especially if Austin, who is a pure 3-technique, doesn't make it.
As for the LB/DE 'tweener thing, that's been going on since at least 2007 with Kiwanuka, through three defensive coordinators and the whole, ill-fated career of Clint Sintim. Damontre Moore isn't anything new; he's just the latest flavor. Like Kiwi, I think he'll mostly be a DE when all is said and done. The actual LBs on the roster, such as they are, seem best-suited to a 4-3.
he is due back sometime at the beginning of camp
*tuck and coughlin hinted at scheme changes to combat the read option making up at least 1/4 of our schedule, probably more, including the NFCCG w/SF
*in mini-camp, tuck was spending a lot of time as a roaming, stand-up Joker lining up all over the front (this seems to get more intense play out of him in the last 2 years as well)
*tom also spent considerable time grilling college coaches on defending the R.O. Well - what is the generally accepted counter? A 34, w/the interior handling the dive and the olb's and ss handling the outside. stick to ur keys and hold up physically and the R.O. becomes unviable
you read the tea leaves - sounds like 34 concepts. i just wonder if we'll use a true 34 or a hybrid. some teams (BAL and NE) use both. it can be done.
something like Linval - Rogers - Hankins inside, with Tuck and JPP at OLB and Connor + Curry inside - that's a lot of beef (but can they cover)?
i think this was also a reason the giants drafted moore especailly now kiwi is a fulltime DE again,they like the flexability kiwi gives them and wanted to groom a longer term replacement with the potential to be a good DE which moore definately is
i think tuck knows he is on his last chance now with moore and kiwi and to a lesser extent ojomo and tracey that he needs to produce. this is why i feel he may have found the correct physical and mental health to be a dominant end again they are at least better placed this year to replace tuck if he doesnt the giants use thier DL players year 1 its the CB/WR/RB they tend to red shirt more
More than likely the Giants will hope to utilize their 3 safety package more often..