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Damontre Moore on Giants-Cowboys

Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/4/2013 10:22 pm
“I grew up a Dallas fan and, you know, I always watched the Giants,” Moore told the Landry Hat. “Those were always the guys beating Dallas, and I like, I didn’t like them. Now, that I’m on that side, I can be with the winning team.”

In the last five years, the Cowboys have gone 3-7 against the Giants. - ( New Window )
Love it.  
Beez : 7/4/2013 10:56 pm : link
It must be strange  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/4/2013 11:03 pm : link
to grow up loving one team like we all do here and then getting drafted by a rival of that team. I often think about what that must be like for the player and their friends and family and so forth.
Geomon : 7/4/2013 11:07 pm : link
He can still go  
spike : 7/4/2013 11:22 pm : link
love and bear hug his favorite Cowboy Tony Romo two Sundays a year
Modzelewski : 7/5/2013 2:00 am : link
Like Pugh growing up near Philly being an Eagles fan.
Pugh: Eagles Fan No More - ( New Window )
arcarsenal : 7/5/2013 2:33 am : link
So excited about this dude. I think he's going to wind up being a steal.
the Landry Hat  
chris r : 7/5/2013 6:49 am : link
The Landry  
Giantology : 7/5/2013 8:52 am : link
dot com - ( New Window )
Let's just hope this guy keeps his head on straight  
Some Fan : 7/5/2013 9:41 am : link
I wonder how DaMontre's off the field issues compared with Aaron Hernandez's issues.
Well, as far as we know, Moore never shot anyone.  
Klaatu : 7/5/2013 9:47 am : link
So he's got a lot of catching up to do.
Had Hernandez already shot someone before being drafted  
Some Fan : 7/5/2013 9:53 am : link
? Hmmm, probably.
I'm with arcs on this kid.  
BlueLou : 7/5/2013 10:28 am : link
I think he and JPP will end up as one of the best DE tandems in NFL history.

At 19 & 20 he balled in the SEC. All he needs is the right attitude and work habits.
The chances of Moore even dressing for the first Dallas game...  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/5/2013 10:51 am : link
...seem very slim. He and Pierre-Paul might team up someday. For 2013, I think he's a healthy scratch until somebody in front of him gets hurt. Even if JPP's back sidelines him, Moore probably stays buried behind Tuck, Kiwanuka and another vet - most likely Tracy.

I don't see that as a problem. Moore is ridiculously young, and he doesn't appear to have the kind of explosive talent that can overcome raw technique and a frame that hasn't filled out yet. There's no rush to get him on the field, where he would probably get manhandled at this point.
aaron hernandez is a psychopath.  
area junc : 7/5/2013 11:04 am : link
moore smokes pot. c'mon now.
i certainly think it is remote  
Some Fan : 7/5/2013 11:21 am : link
He is similar in that he is anfirst round talent taken in he third so something is up. If not violent events in his past that certainly bodes positively.
I think with picks like Moore, Jayron Hosley and Mario Manningham...  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/5/2013 11:45 am : link
... Jerry Reese has made it pretty clear which round he thinks is appropriate for this type of gamble, if the talent is there. Overall, Reese seems comfortable swinging for the fences on Day 2. Maybe his "clean" Day 2 picks, like Hankins and Joseph, should surprise us more at this point than the ones with obvious blemishes.

That said, as far as we know, JR hasn't spent a third-round draft pick on a murderous psychopath. Even the Patriots aren't that reckless: they waited until the fourth round to take Hernandez.
I know this might be taken  
Yalebowl_Ribs : 7/5/2013 1:56 pm : link
But Kiwanuka might have a time making the starting line up
Yalebowl: A three-man rotation seem most likely.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/5/2013 2:26 pm : link
Pierre-Paul, Tuck and Kiwanuka are the top three, with Tracy (or the fourth guy of your choice) in spot duty. Moore gets time to learn his craft, and maybe takes some snaps in the Joker role. If he's for real, he becomes an important man in 2014.
I think they find ways to get Moore on the field this year  
UberAlias : 7/5/2013 2:30 pm : link
He's going to be a stud for us.
i was torn as  
msh : 7/5/2013 3:00 pm : link
to which was the better draft pick hankins or moore

i think hankins is the safer pick the guy is a mountain
just his presence should glog the line and help the run defence

but i like moores upside more he reminds me of tuck and kiwi when they were drafted he will surprise alot of people this year unless tuck is back to his old self i see him getting 8-10 sacks this year
msh: In Tuck's first two seasons...  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/5/2013 3:20 pm : link
...he had a grand total of one sack, 32 tackles, nine assists and on pass defensed. And among the Giants' third-round picks during the Coughlin era, he actually had the biggest impact as a rookie, aside from a couple of plays by Jay Alford in the post-season.

Everyone who scouted Moore - including his supporters - seems to agree that he's a very raw young talent who needs time to develop physically, technically, professionally and emotionally. Even if you're right about his talent and readiness, there is absolutely nothing in recent Giant history to suggest that he will see the field much, barring an injury epidemic.
What I love about Moore...  
Dan in the Springs : 7/5/2013 3:46 pm : link
is something you already keyed on. He was very productive in the SEC. That certainly bodes well.

We don't know about the character piece. It is clearly the big reason for his drop in the draft. That's where his risk is.

We can only hope.
BBB - I'll cite one reason I think Moore will make the active roster,  
BlueLou : 7/5/2013 4:13 pm : link
starting game 1 of his NFL career: STs coverage, especially on KOs. This kid will shine in this role - I hope and project.
Joey in VA : 7/5/2013 4:57 pm : link
I usually agree with you, but I think a 3rd round DE on a team that lost Osi and has JPP sitting out is going to be on the opening day roster and play. Tuck and Kiwi are shoe ins obviously to start, and Tracy becomes the 3rd DE, no way we go into a game with only 3 pure ends.
BlueLou: I'll cite one reason he probably won't.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/5/2013 4:58 pm : link
It's almost impossible to dress five defensive ends, and Moore is most likely the fifth. Adewale Ojomo was the fifth DE last year, and he dressed only once - against Cleveland, when the Giants barely had 46 healthy bodies.. Adrian Tracy got the chance to contribute on specials all year because he was the fourth defensive end.

I think the norm for the Giants is to dress 22 players on one side of the ball and 21 on the other, with three specialists. Even if the 22 are on defense, there really isn't room for an extra DE. Could Moore catch Coach Quinn's eye with some impact plays in pre-season? Sure, but he will still need to climb to at least the #4 spot on the depth chart - or show something special in the hybrid Joker role - before his ST skills get him a helmet on game day. Otherwise, suppose he's #5 and Tracy is #4. Are you going to sit the better DE, who is also a proven contributor on special teams?
Joey: If Pierre-Paul is out, that's a whole different ballgame.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/5/2013 5:00 pm : link
In that scenario, sure - it's all hands on deck at DE for the opener, including the greenest rookie.
I think it comes down to  
Mike fr Warwick : 7/5/2013 5:12 pm : link
how fast he is progressing and how productive he is in pre-season.
Joey in VA : 7/5/2013 5:25 pm : link
I am assuming JPP gets pup stashed for 6 weeks. I think Jenkins and/or Patterson could swing out in a pinch and I think we will probably see plenty of that early. I find it odd that we acquired or re-acquired 3 pure NT types in Rogers, Okam and Hankins. I have a feeling that we may see more heavy packages up front, a hybrid 3-4 in a lot of cases when have to face the option teams. I think the fact that Jenkins and Patterson could play end in a 3-4 set is a partial consideration for bringing them in. I think the base 4-3 we stick to is about to be encroached upon by more 3-4 looks
I hope Tracy lives up to the positive reports we're hearing  
Bino5 : 7/5/2013 5:32 pm : link
But I think Moore has a decent shot of taking some of his time and if everyone is healthy then his jersey on game day
Joey: With only five figures worth of total dead money potential...  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/5/2013 5:59 pm : link
...on Rogers, Okam and Patterson combined, I don't read much into those signings, other than a lot of cheap veteran insurance.

Ideally, the light bulb goes on for Austin, and Hankins is ready to contribute sooner rather than later. Then you have Hankins behind Joseph and Austin behind Jenkins, with Kuhn waiting on PUP. So, in the best-case scenario, maybe none of the three vet-min signings make the final 53. I don't see more than one of them sticking, unless injuries hit the top of the DT depth chart.

As for Pierre-Paul, I just hope you're wrong. Not only would he be missed during the first two months of the season, but it's pretty unusual for a player to be himself after coming off PUP. Most recently, guys like Canty, Beckum and Barden have done very little after returning.
I'm really high on the guy  
UberAlias : 7/5/2013 6:00 pm : link
My assumption is that at some point they are going to have to find a way to get him on the field.
Its funny because I never thought as a Die Hard  
bLiTz 2k : 7/5/2013 10:18 pm : link
Giants fan Id ever root for thr Cowboys in any respect until the last few seasons.

Before i get lynched, Kevin Ogeltree was a high school friend to not only myself but a bunch of my closest friends growing up in Whitestone Queens.

Its just one of those things where we all wosh him all te success in the world even though we hated the team he played for.
Sorry for typos  
bLiTz 2k : 7/5/2013 10:18 pm : link
Stupid iphone
Joey in VA : 7/6/2013 1:18 am : link
The fact that we signed 2 and drafted one pure 330lb + NT type gives me pause. I doubt we keep all three, Hankins is a mortal lock, and I suspect Rogers is close and Okam is insurance in case Rogers drops again.

In watching the Skins last year, they had terrible sledding against 3-4 teams with a big nose and rangy OLBs. I have to think TC noticed and is pushing to use more 3-4 type alignments for those sets. I see a big nose like Rogers or Hankins, Joseph, Jenkins, Patterson or even Austin at end and Kiwi, Tuck, Tracy, Moore as de facto rush LBs in those sets. Having three LBs who can move (Williams, Curry, Rivers, Paysinger) behind them is a big plus and given Mundy and Taylor being brought in as big thumping SS types who can anchor the run, I honestly see more 3-4 cover 2 looks being put in. I may be imagining it, but I see a concerted effort player wise in getting two way DEs and rangy DEs who can double at OLB in a 3-4 set in some formations.
I would be surprised if JPP ISN'T on the 6 week PUP.  
Big Blue '56 : 7/6/2013 8:14 am : link
Firstly, my best guess is that he won't be ready and will need the time to get into playing shape and secondly, their latest lesson comes in the form of Nicks whom they've admitted they rushed back too soon
Joey: That's a valid point about the current roster.  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/6/2013 8:43 am : link
I guess where we disagree - slightly - is on how much you can read into the composition of a 90-man roster that includes 16 defensive lineman. Even if the Giants carry three classic widebodies into the regular season, it might only indicate that they don't think Hankins is ready to back up Joseph as the 1-technique in the 4-3, or that Coughlin is tired of his interior lineman wearing down and getting trampled late in the season.

Keep in mind that, even in his prime, Rogers was a disappointment at nose tackle role in Cleveland, to the point where the Browns tinkered with him as a five-tech. Also, like Rogers - to whom he was compared coming out of UT - Okam probably projects best as a 4-3 DT, although he hasn't played enough as a pro to really show that he fits anywhere.

The thing that makes DT so interesting is that all eight guys have a legitimate shot. (At DE, by contrast, three guys are clearly on the outside looking in at this point.) The easiest moves at DT are probably PUP'ing Kuhn and cutting Okam - or Rogers, if he looks done. After that, barring new injuries, it probably comes down to Austin vs. Patterson to back up Jenkins at 3-tech, and whether there's room on the final roster for five DTs. If they only carry four, and three of them weigh 320+, then you might be on to something - especially if Austin, who is a pure 3-technique, doesn't make it.

As for the LB/DE 'tweener thing, that's been going on since at least 2007 with Kiwanuka, through three defensive coordinators and the whole, ill-fated career of Clint Sintim. Damontre Moore isn't anything new; he's just the latest flavor. Like Kiwi, I think he'll mostly be a DE when all is said and done. The actual LBs on the roster, such as they are, seem best-suited to a 4-3.
Chronic typo:  
Big Blue Blogger : 7/6/2013 8:44 am : link
"lineman" should be "linemen".
area junc : 7/6/2013 10:12 am : link
that would be a major setback if JPP wasn't ready.....
he is due back sometime at the beginning of camp
honest appraisal of weaknesses  
area junc : 7/6/2013 10:21 am : link
re: the 34 - i think we're onto something here.

*tuck and coughlin hinted at scheme changes to combat the read option making up at least 1/4 of our schedule, probably more, including the NFCCG w/SF

*in mini-camp, tuck was spending a lot of time as a roaming, stand-up Joker lining up all over the front (this seems to get more intense play out of him in the last 2 years as well)

*tom also spent considerable time grilling college coaches on defending the R.O. Well - what is the generally accepted counter? A 34, w/the interior handling the dive and the olb's and ss handling the outside. stick to ur keys and hold up physically and the R.O. becomes unviable

you read the tea leaves - sounds like 34 concepts. i just wonder if we'll use a true 34 or a hybrid. some teams (BAL and NE) use both. it can be done.

something like Linval - Rogers - Hankins inside, with Tuck and JPP at OLB and Connor + Curry inside - that's a lot of beef (but can they cover)?
area junc : 7/6/2013 10:22 am : link
(not Hankins)
If JPP  
Doomster : 7/6/2013 10:30 am : link
is on the PUP for the first 6 weeks, you can kiss this season good bye.....this defense will be a shambles, and this team will not recover from the poor start it will have....
How are the Giants going to play a 3-4  
Blue Blood : 7/6/2013 2:22 pm : link
when we cant even field 3 decent linebackers.. and we dont really have the two gap ends we would need to play a 3-4
djm : 7/6/2013 2:32 pm : link
they arent going to play a full on 3-4  
msh : 7/6/2013 2:45 pm : link
but they may have drawn up some 3-4 type schemes where they line up as a 4-3 and drop moore or kiwi into coverage depending on the pre-snap reads

i think this was also a reason the giants drafted moore especailly now kiwi is a fulltime DE again,they like the flexability kiwi gives them and wanted to groom a longer term replacement with the potential to be a good DE which moore definately is

i think tuck knows he is on his last chance now with moore and kiwi and to a lesser extent ojomo and tracey that he needs to produce. this is why i feel he may have found the correct physical and mental health to be a dominant end again they are at least better placed this year to replace tuck if he doesnt the giants use thier DL players year 1 its the CB/WR/RB they tend to red shirt more
Blue Blood : 7/7/2013 11:00 am : link
that isnt new.. The Giants were doing that with Kiwi on the field..

More than likely the Giants will hope to utilize their 3 safety package more often..
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