if these numbers are accurate, AWESOME deal for the Giants! 6 yrs/$46M (~$7.7M per year and likely backloaded) PLUS only $15M guaranteed. That's likely a very cap friendly deal the next few seasons.
Cruz being a Giant for the rest of his career was top on the list for both sides ...
Giants got the dollars per years overall ... and Cruz got the dollars per yer post tender ...
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Victor Cruz's deal is technically a contract extension. He'll play for $2.879M this year, then a 5-year, $43M extension kicks in next year.
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So he's now signed through 2018. And as @MikeGarafolo just noted, it's really a 6-year, $45.879M deal (with $15.6M guaranteed). #NYG
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The Giants have history of not paying wideouts, they often let em walk and replace thru draft. Makes Cruz's deal even more impressive
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with those numbers it's unlikely Eli re-restructured since the $2.8M already counted against the cap and they were in good cap shape next season and beyond.
deal for the Giants. As noted millions of times, this is why you should be patient with things like this. How many "Cruz is greedy" type threads did we really need?
Can people now accept that the giants and cruz were simply going through a very standard negotiation process?
Can't wait to see this happen with Nicks and that same contingent screams about how he's greedy, just like Cruz was.
with the guaranteed money and endorsements he's going to have locked in now. He also can say it's not "his" contract that hamstrings the franchise because this is a more then fair deal for the FO.
at least temporarily this idea that Reese is a mediocre GM and Cruz is a money-hungry diva? This is an absolutely fantastic deal that speaks well to both of these guys character and professionalism.
is that it sets the standard for negotiations with Nicks. It'll be feasible for the Giants to hold onto both these guys if Nicks decides to take similar money.
hope all the idiots who claimed he was a clown for taking this long go away. The guy did what was best for his family and it looks like both sides got a great deal.
If Cruz got any kind of immediate signing bonus, part of that has to be amortized against the '13 salary cap. While it's certainly possible that the big bonus payment is going to come at the beginning of the '14 League Year, it would absolutely floor me if Victor won't get at least a little cash in his pocket when he signs the deal.
What's also great about this deal
eclipz928 : 1:44 pm
is that it sets the standard for negotiations with Nicks. It'll be feasible for the Giants to hold onto both these guys if Nicks decides to take similar money.
Nicks isn't going to take similar money. He wants outside reciever money. Cruz is top of the market slot reciever money.
with Aditi K. just said that he just signed the deal that was on the table from the get go. The one where Mara said if he signed it, he would be a very rich young man. So nothing new, we wouldn't budge and he took the offer that was there on the table.
- Greedy asshole Cruz needs to sign now!
- Cruz is going to the Steelers
- He spends too much time modeling
- He spends too much time as a shill for Time Warner
- Fuck him, let him walk we still have Nix
- Fuck him, let him walk we still have Jernigan who's ready for a breakout year
- Fuck him, let him walk Randall's ready to dominate because Jernigan sucks
- Fuck him, let him walk he drops too many balls and didnt block once
- Shit!!! He signed his tender!!! Damnit! This is the end! No more Curz!!!
- Yea!!!!! He signed his tender!!!
- Anybody hear from Curz?
- Sides are too far apart
- One year rental
- Sides are really close
- Yeah, whatever
- Could be today
- Could be tomorrow
- Woohooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Five year extension!!!!!!!!!! We're all geniuses and Curz rules!!!
The difference in endorsement money and other perks from playing in NY should more than offset any difference in salary Cruz would have received from another team.
Kevin, a franchise tag would be an enormous sum to be on the hook for
Nice job by Cruz to take it and rake in the NYC endorsements and business opportunities.
WIN-WIN-WIN
JR is in a great position to negotiate with Nicks now at an average of $8.5 per. Given last season and the time he missed due to injury through his 1st contract, that would be a helluva deal.
against the 2014 cap. They could easily assign the franchise tag to Nicks after this season (even assuming a flat cap). And that $104M cap figure includes the huge cap hits of Rolle/Snee that are likely to be slashed (via cut or restructure)
finally... some reputable sources... unlike the sources we had on BBI
6 year 7.65 mil per is a great deal for the Giants. That sounds much better than the 8.6 mil per I initially thought was signed. Glad to see that the Giants stuck to their guns.
I'm fine with having Nicks for two more years(This year and possible tag next year)...Unless it's for reasonable money(8-9 per), I'm totally fine letting him prove he can stay healthy and viable..In the meantime, Randle could take a leap for us during this time
more like 110 mill after cruz signing. I would not use a wr franchise tag on Nicks (close to 11 mill). I do agree there will be savings with rolle and snee
but even the $110-112M number would account for 50 players under contract, so it's not like they need to go out and make 10+ major moves.
And I believe they could save $7M+ on Snee and Rolle EACH. Plus Eli can always be restructured (he has a $20M cap hit in 2014). Pending extensions for Nicks and Joseph, they are in very good cap shape going forward.
He has history here with this team. He is a local guy. He is loved by the fans. It is smart for him to stay here where he can potentially have a great career, get paid at a reasonable rate, with the potential to make a lot of endorsement money, and with the long term prospect of being a fixture in NY/NJ for the rest of his life. He will have chances to make money here long after his playing years are over. Smart kid. Good deal.
the Gmen. From the sounds of it, they stuck to their guns the whole time and waited for VC and Condone to come to them. Perfectly played as usually by JR. Now comes the tricky part with Nicks. If JR can pull off signing Hakeem without hampering the team too much (which I dont think JR would do), then you give that man a raise ASAP.
his only remaining options were to play for the $2 million and change tender this year, or hold out into the season, a la Logan Mankins and Vincent Jackson - neither of which were very good options, compared to the deal he just agreed to
Reese did a fine job of sticking to his guns here, and Cruz gets $15 million guaranteed, which isn't too shabby
Agree with all the assessments about what a great deal this is for all sides. Also thinking about the implications for Nicks, but mostly just enjoying the prospect of having Cruz in the fold for a long time.
when he didn't get any outside offers to use to drive up the price on the Giants...probably in no small way b/c he made it clear he wanted to be a Giant
So in other words, his loyalty probably cost him some money. But he should still be pretty pumped about this payday, as an undrafted free agent
No reason JR can't sign Nicks next year, the money will be there. Eli can restructure, Rolle and Snee could be cap casualties (Snee could retire). Tuck may be gone. Nothing about the Cruz signing means Nicks won't be here next year. The only way Nicks is absolutely gone is if he puts up Megatron numbers and gets a mammoth contract offer. (If that happens, I hope JR franchises him)
cost Cruz some money, but if he and Eli win another championship and he continue to put up similar numbers for the next 5 years not only will he be a permanent NY sports icon, but he could receive HoF consideration. I think Cruz wants legacy and he wants it in his backyard.
Cruz no doubt heeded some good advice that staying in NY and continuing to be a star with the Giants will pay off in the long run a lot more than squeezing out more money in this deal to go play in Carolina or wherever
honestly didn't think it was more than 50/50 at this point. We'd heard so much about it being so close with nothing to follow. This is a great deal for the Giants and Victor as others have noted. And it's so nice to have Victor on the Giants for years to come. Well done to everyone.
He is now the 2nd highest paid player on the team now, correct?
IMO, Nicks is going to be their next priority. I don't think they went into this thing saying "well, it's one or the other.." .. I think the goal was to lock up both together.
how they will prioritize a potential Nicks extension. They offered him a (certainly quite low) extension earlier this offseason, and Nicks rebuffed them. (Which is what they had to expect-- Nicks would've had to have been stupid to start negotiating now, coming off the season he just had.)
Now, they get to see how he does in camp and over the course of the season, as well as how the other WRs on the roster do. They'll make a decision on what kind of offer to make Nicks (including whether to Franchise him) after they complete all those assessments.
The good news is no more" Can the Giants sign Cruz threads".
Unfortunately we will now see a gazillion "Can the Giants sign Nicks threads". Happy for Victor Cruz and happy for Giants fans that Cruz is finally signed.
I agree 100% that this doesn't preclude them from signing Nicks, but before he can become the next priority--as you call him--he needs to prove he can stay healthy. This is not something any of us can have an informed opinion about. All we can do is wait and see.
The most prudent strategy might be to take it one year at a time and take advantage of the franchise tag in 2014. Otherwise the Giants could end up on the wrong end of the Steve Smith scenario.
One thing that impressed the hell out of me about Cruz was his ability last year to take a licking and keep on ticking. Mentally he may have shown his share of alligator arms, but physically he was as tough as could be.
I agree Nicks' health will play into their decision somewhat.. but they also may want to try and lock him up sooner while his value may be a bit lower since he's seen as an injury prone player.
If Nicks gets through the 2013 season relatively healthy and puts up monster numbers, he may play himself out of our price range in terms of a LT deal in which case we may have to just tag him and go from there.
I don't think there's a number right now that is high enough for Nicks to be happy and low enough that the Giants feel it's worth taking on the injury risk. I think we get into that scenario in 2014 with the Giants utilizing the franchise tag as the tool to keep Nicks reasonable (and outside the reach of free-spending owners).
namely JPP and Randle will also play a role in how the Giants approach re-signing Nicks. If Randle has a big year, the Giants could use the franchise tag on Nicks and take trade offers.
based on what I was told. Nicks' camp is aiming for $11-12M per, and he knows he needs to post a big (and healthy) season to pull it off. He also seems ok with the potential idea of jumping to another team for the money, if need be.
In the end, he'll probably have to compromise to an extent just as Cruz did, so they can crunch more space for JPP's monster deal the following offseason.
It's not quite the biggest contract ever signed by a former USF football player, but it's still a huge day for defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul, the first-round draft pick who signed Saturday with the New York Giants. According to NFL.com and ESPN.com, he signed a five-year deal worth $20-million, with $11.6-million guaranteed.
he'll never be a restricted FA if that's what you're asking.
The descrepancy here is whether he signed a 5 yr or 6 yr deal as a rookie. My guess is that it was a 6 but maybe there's some language that lets JPP or the team out (or either or) after 5.
have had a KICK ASS offseason. I could not have dreamed up a better off season. They managed to improve the team. Re-sign all their guys while adding a few 1 year prove it deals to some very good players AND they signed Cruz long term? Fucking tits man. Tits.
before I get really worried about how much he "should" cost us. In my mind, these are important years for both JPP and Nicks, but for different reasons, but both with regard to how it nets into what is expected contract value.
the whole thing about Nicks needing to prove he can stay healthy
is a bit overstated if you ask me. Lets put it this way. If Nicks misses 6 games next season due to an ankle sprain but plays like a beast in the other 10 games --scores 8 TDs with 55 catches and 800 yards receiving, does anyone really think he won't get a huge contract from NY or someone else? ON the flip side, if Nicks plays in all 16 and has a great great year would it shock anyone if Nicks missed half of the 2014-15 season?
Unless Nicks loses a leg he's gonna get paid one way or the other. And if NY does not bring Nicks back, we have a hole to fill at WR whether Randle is the goods or not. Putting all this stock in a healthy 2013 season from Nicks is great in theory but it's not going to make THAT much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. Nor should it. Guys get hurt all the time. One healthy year doesn't ensure a damn thing in years 2-3-4-5...
Thank you Victor for keeping your mouth shut and not fomenting
and BB56 may be the only guy that agrees with me. If Nicks misses 6 games next year, that is a huge red flag no matter what numbers he puts up in the other 10 games. His production when healthy is not the only metric or issue. His reliability (and durability is) and you must factor that in a big way before giving a 5 year monster contract to him.
Quite honestly, as someone else mentioned, the performance of Randle next year could have a big outside force on it too.
missed 6 guys due to injury next year, I'd be pissed. He won't get a big contract from us if that happened. However, he is young enough that some team would roll the dice and try to sign him.
A lot to disagree with in your last post, so I will take the low lying fruit... If Randle goes 65/1,000/8TDs this year Nicks will not be back in 2014 and the Giants will NOT have a huge hole to fill at WR. Randle is a major factor in Giants/Nicks situation.
if Nicks misses 6 games in 2013 but his injury is not serious, he will break the bank and get a huge contract from someone.
You're putting way too much stock in the value of one healthy season and its overall impact on that player's longevity.
If Nicks plays in all 16 games that doesn't necessarily mean the guy won't miss any games in 2014 or 2015.
UNless Nicks suffers a devastating injury he's gonna get a big long term deal. You can bank on it. He's a good player who will be free to sign anywhere. Someone will chase the shiny and hope that his nagging injuries don't carry over.
How many guys have an injury free season only to get hurt the following season? How healthy Nicks is in 2013 means next to nothing in the grand scheme of things as long as he doesn't suffer a serious injury, or course.
that fell under the injury prone label due to 2-3 injury plagued seasons only to see that player subsequently turn things around and stay healthy for 2-3-4 straight seasons.
It's a crap shoot more often than not. No matter what happens with Nicks this season no one knows how healthy he is going to be in 2014 and beyond. Good luck trying to figure that out.
is a real question for the Giants. If not the Giants, there is some team that will give him an enormous contract. However, while a terrific wide out and one i hope the Giants can keep, he does not have the great speed that makes him impossible to cover and necessitates a max-deal. Also, there is the injury problem and the development of Randle. While he might want a five year--$60 million contract, i think the Giants can legitimately offer Nicks a five year--$50 or $55 million contract. If he gets a larger offer and takes the money, the Giants took their best shot and so be it.
only you thought it would come a bit later, just before the official start of training camp. jlukes, don't break your elbow patting yourself, a lot of people had the numbers pretty well predicted (assuming VC would in fact sign with the Giants.) essentially those #s were as high as the Giants would go - JR and the team dictated the terms.
Josh in the City - WTF?
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incredible!
Josh in the City : 1:32 pm
that's the right dollar amount for both sides.
What's incredible about it if it's the right #s for both sides? Maybe I missed your point there?
To whomever worries now that "Nicks is gone". No, there will be cap room to re-sign or extend Nicks, so long as he isn't looking for Calvin - Fitz type dough rey me.
Nice job getting it done finally to both parties to the contract.
is a great signing for the Giants. Good for Cruz too but he knows he could have held out for at least 8.5 to 9M somewhere else next year. Glad this got done.
Yep, Nicks will have to stay healthy this year to get dream dollars. I'd imagine if he misses a few games this season, teams will factor that into any offers.
It's a win win deal. Cruz gets rich, the Giants keep their most consistent offensive weapon over the last three seasons at home...where he belongs.
This contract sets the stage for more championships to come. The deal allows the team future flexibility within the salary cap structure. They have room to reinvest in Hakeem Nicks and JPP if they see fit to do so based on their performance and durability this season.
Mr. Mara took an unusually active role in this process early on with his statements to the media. I think it was effective but hope it is an anomaly. JR&Co played their hand very well.
Great to keep you in beloved Blue VC! See you at training camp.
he still has to play multiple years without hurting his back to get a massive contract. There is no point of even bringing him up, especially with 2 years left.
and for actually cheaper than I thought it would be...but I cant sit here and say I wasn't one of the people who didn't want to throw big money at Cruz. Go ball out Cruz...show us you're worth every penny of that contract.
Just guessing, but I think 2015 is a player option.
As far as Victor Crus' new deal is concerned, Jason Fitzgerald from overthecap.com has his 2013 cap number as being LOWER that the $2.879 M tender amount. He's got Cruz's cap number for this coming season as being $2,530,000 (that's a net cap savings differential of $349,000). I'll check this out again tomorrow to be sure. Here are two Cruz links:
Why are you guessing that the sixth year is a player option? That doesn't seem likely to me.
I would guess that there may be some escalator clauses attached to the sixth year or that it may be voidable based on certain parameters being met, but an unfettered option year given to a player is not very common as far as I recall.
so glad to have him back. If Nicks stays healthy and Randle takes a step up, this team's passing attack has so much potential. And then add in David Wilson and Brown for the ground game... damn I'm getting excited for Giants football.
player options on rookie contracts. it sounds off. team option, maybe.
actually, what would be the point, why on earth would you want to a one year player option, even if you were the player, on the $ of your rookie contract at that.
"The money is paid over the first two years via a $9.5 million signing bonus, a $630,000 base salary in 2013, a $1.5 million roster bonus due in 2014, and a $4 million base salary in 2014. All of those payments are guaranteed."
Does the 2014 roster bonus apply to only the 2014 cap, the 2014-2018 caps or the 2013-2018 caps?
Typically, roster bonuses are amortized over all remaining years on the contract. So 2014-2018 is the most likely answer. (It is possible for teams to deliberately not amortize bonuses, but I can't see any reason why the Giants would do that here.)
Nicks has more to do with the Giants winning than JPP does, IMO
Of course the injuries are a factor, but they may be with JPP as well.
Considering that JPP figures to cost much more than Nicks, if it comes down to one or the other I don't think it's a contest. Sign Nicks.
Eli is 32. The time to surround him with the best possible tools (that means familiarity with both Eli and the offensive system) is now. No more wasting Eli time on getting guys acclimated.
If I had to decide today and it was one or the other
the whole JPP vs Nicks thing is brutally hard to determine. Even last year's version of JPP was damn good. Was Nicks really more important to that 2011 team than JPP?
JPP was the best player on the field at times in 2011. I can't see the Giants letting that kind of player walk. Stud pass rushers are so hard to find.
I'd rather not think about JPP just yet. We have time and Nicks is the guy to worry about. Remember, a lot of former cap killers are coming off the books soon. Tuck, Diehl, Rolle, Snee, Webster maybe Baas....we will have room to sign the next wave of stars. The transition has already begun.
UNLESS we can get Nicks NOW for a low figure like 7-9/year(most likely NOT happening), I would let Nicks play out this season and if he has a terrific year and actually plays an entire 16 healthy, I'd franchise him while trying to work out a long term deal..NO WAY I sign him to a big contract now. I would think the Giants want to see him perform in top notch fashion, injury-free(other than usual minor stuff players go through) before committing big money to him and I as a fan support that 100%
...they will re-sign both. The money can always be worked out.
The guys who the Giants truly want to keep, they keep. The only one who got away that they wanted to keep was Steve Smith, but that was partly due to the fact that he didn't give them a chance to match the Eagles offer and partly due to the uncertainty surrounding his return from injury.
$10M annually is especially probable for Nicks. If he establishes that he can be his 2011 self again, the VJax and D. Bowe contracts (both in the $11M-$12M per year range) are where he's going to start the bidding.
And if he doesn't have a good year, health-wise, I suspect that he'd go for a 1 or 2 year extension before he'd sign a long-term deal at a lower figure.
but I am really worried about Nicks injury history and that is why I would wait to give him a big contract, he needs to play this whole year at an elite level
Regarding JPP, I know I am in the minority, but I just don't have him in that phenom category yet. He was one of the best on our D last year and maybe our poor defensive performance hurt him as well but I just don't have him in Mario Williams money territory. Note, I am not saying that he would get that from someone, I just don't want that someone to be the Giants until JPP really performs this year at a minimum.
Again, i know I may be in the minority but I just don't see how losing JPP hurts all that much when the defense collectively is so porous.
I just finished reading all the postes in this thread which has turned into a Nicks VS JPP discussion.
My thoughts on Nicks are that the Giants should wait to see his health throughout this season before determining his value. My guess is they will do that because his health has been an issue. I agree with those who say if he has health issues again or a sub par performance season the Giants aren'r going to make him a big offer and I won't blame them.
A strong argument could be made that the very best defenders in the league (say, Revis, Aldon Smith, or DeMarcus Ware) aren't worth Mario Williams money. The recent Super Bowl champions have not been strong defensive teams:
While that's hardly a robust scientific analysis, I do think it lends a bit to the idea that offense has had a greater role in winning titles...particularly in the example of our two titles. Consider also that the presence of the Steelers twice in that list skews the numbers a bit as they have been a team built completely on defense in recent years.
You can say the Giants on that list twice also skews the numbers.
Just curious bro...Why did you start from 2005? Was there is historical scenario I missed? Personally, I would have started from 2002, the first year of realignment when the divisions were altered, making the playoff format different then it used to be.
No reason really. There didn't seem to be a spot that made sense to stop...though I guess you could say 2005 was the first season the Giants really started competing in the Coughlin/Eli era, so that's as good a spot as any.
We'll keep them both. The guy we'll be letting go because of the cap is Linval Joseph. There is other cap saving to be had as we all know. The bargain we got on Cruz allows us the flexibility for JPP and Nicks.
it will be because he did not get a Mario Williams contract offer. can't see him getting that type of deal here. can't see anyone getting that type of money here except for QB1.
jlukes : 3/11/2013 5:10 pm
First year cap hit just shy of 4 mil
No? Or close to it...
Time to buy a Cruz jersey.
8.6 mil per is a little more than I wanted the Giants to pay. We'll see how it works out.
In Cruz's new extension he gets 15.6 mil in guarantees early in deal. Overall, really strong for Vic
Sounds like the signing bonus is small, but his salaries early on are guaranteed
Cruz being a Giant for the rest of his career was top on the list for both sides ...
Giants got the dollars per years overall ... and Cruz got the dollars per yer post tender ...
Soon he's going to replace Strahan on the "Kelly and Victor" show. Smart man
Victor Cruz's deal is technically a contract extension. He'll play for $2.879M this year, then a 5-year, $43M extension kicks in next year.
So he's now signed through 2018. And as @MikeGarafolo just noted, it's really a 6-year, $45.879M deal (with $15.6M guaranteed). #NYG
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The Giants keep their man and their flexibility to re-sign Nicks/JPP down the line if they choose to do so.
Today is a very good day.
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The Giants have history of not paying wideouts, they often let em walk and replace thru draft. Makes Cruz's deal even more impressive
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Can people now accept that the giants and cruz were simply going through a very standard negotiation process?
Can't wait to see this happen with Nicks and that same contingent screams about how he's greedy, just like Cruz was.
Big thumbs up for Cruz, too, for keeping quiet to the media during the whole affair.
If Cruz got any kind of immediate signing bonus, part of that has to be amortized against the '13 salary cap. While it's certainly possible that the big bonus payment is going to come at the beginning of the '14 League Year, it would absolutely floor me if Victor won't get at least a little cash in his pocket when he signs the deal.
now, we gurantee a few things with Nicks.
A) long term deal
B) Franchise and guranteed him in 2014
C) Trade to the Panthers for several picks, because thats where he wants to play if no NYG
Thank you Victor, you earned it, now on to Nicks.
eclipz928 : 1:44 pm
is that it sets the standard for negotiations with Nicks. It'll be feasible for the Giants to hold onto both these guys if Nicks decides to take similar money.
Nicks isn't going to take similar money. He wants outside reciever money. Cruz is top of the market slot reciever money.
- Greedy asshole Cruz needs to sign now!
- Cruz is going to the Steelers
- He spends too much time modeling
- He spends too much time as a shill for Time Warner
- Fuck him, let him walk we still have Nix
- Fuck him, let him walk we still have Jernigan who's ready for a breakout year
- Fuck him, let him walk Randall's ready to dominate because Jernigan sucks
- Fuck him, let him walk he drops too many balls and didnt block once
- Shit!!! He signed his tender!!! Damnit! This is the end! No more Curz!!!
- Yea!!!!! He signed his tender!!!
- Anybody hear from Curz?
- Sides are too far apart
- One year rental
- Sides are really close
- Yeah, whatever
- Could be today
- Could be tomorrow
- Woohooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Five year extension!!!!!!!!!! We're all geniuses and Curz rules!!!
Excited to see the Eli-Cruz combo for the rest of their careers!
Congratz !
Franchise/Transition
Quarterback:
14,896,000/13,068,000
Running back:
8,219,000/6,970,000
Wide receiver:
10,537,000/8,867,000
Tight end:
6,066,000/5,194,000
Offensive lineman:
9,828,000/8,709,000
Defensive tackle:
8,450,000/7,039,000
Defensive end:
11,175,000/9,151,000
Linebacker:
9,619,000/8,358,000
Cornerback:
10,854,000/9,095,000
Safety:
6,916,000/6,002,000
Kicker/punter:
2,977,000/2,700,000
Long live #80! Viva Cruz! Viva Cruz!
Jerry gets to enjoy a couple of cold Stella's tonight on his patio!
I hope he's happy about it, but based on the kind of guy he appears to be, I'm sure he is.
Nice job by Cruz to take it and rake in the NYC endorsements and business opportunities.
WIN-WIN-WIN
JR is in a great position to negotiate with Nicks now at an average of $8.5 per. Given last season and the time he missed due to injury through his 1st contract, that would be a helluva deal.
6 year 7.65 mil per is a great deal for the Giants. That sounds much better than the 8.6 mil per I initially thought was signed. Glad to see that the Giants stuck to their guns.
Reese deserves a lot of credit here. Most GMs would have thrown in extra $$.
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And I believe they could save $7M+ on Snee and Rolle EACH. Plus Eli can always be restructured (he has a $20M cap hit in 2014). Pending extensions for Nicks and Joseph, they are in very good cap shape going forward.
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Now lets get ready for some football.
I'm pumped about this deal...Jerry and friends did a hell of a job
Reese did a fine job of sticking to his guns here, and Cruz gets $15 million guaranteed, which isn't too shabby
So in other words, his loyalty probably cost him some money. But he should still be pretty pumped about this payday, as an undrafted free agent
Now, they get to see how he does in camp and over the course of the season, as well as how the other WRs on the roster do. They'll make a decision on what kind of offer to make Nicks (including whether to Franchise him) after they complete all those assessments.
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The most prudent strategy might be to take it one year at a time and take advantage of the franchise tag in 2014. Otherwise the Giants could end up on the wrong end of the Steve Smith scenario.
One thing that impressed the hell out of me about Cruz was his ability last year to take a licking and keep on ticking. Mentally he may have shown his share of alligator arms, but physically he was as tough as could be.
If Nicks gets through the 2013 season relatively healthy and puts up monster numbers, he may play himself out of our price range in terms of a LT deal in which case we may have to just tag him and go from there.
In the end, he'll probably have to compromise to an extent just as Cruz did, so they can crunch more space for JPP's monster deal the following offseason.
I don't view JPP as a lock yet, and it's likely the team's in no rush either, given the numbers his camp floated a year ago (7 yrs $125M).
FWIW, even though I'm sure everyone's checked that.
The descrepancy here is whether he signed a 5 yr or 6 yr deal as a rookie. My guess is that it was a 6 but maybe there's some language that lets JPP or the team out (or either or) after 5.
That's strictly a guess though.
jpp will be a FA in the winter of 2016 i guess
I think Optimus just screwed up, it happens
Unless Nicks loses a leg he's gonna get paid one way or the other. And if NY does not bring Nicks back, we have a hole to fill at WR whether Randle is the goods or not. Putting all this stock in a healthy 2013 season from Nicks is great in theory but it's not going to make THAT much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. Nor should it. Guys get hurt all the time. One healthy year doesn't ensure a damn thing in years 2-3-4-5...
Your combination of talent and judgment that is altogether rare in today's NFL.
Quite honestly, as someone else mentioned, the performance of Randle next year could have a big outside force on it too.
You're putting way too much stock in the value of one healthy season and its overall impact on that player's longevity.
If Nicks plays in all 16 games that doesn't necessarily mean the guy won't miss any games in 2014 or 2015.
UNless Nicks suffers a devastating injury he's gonna get a big long term deal. You can bank on it. He's a good player who will be free to sign anywhere. Someone will chase the shiny and hope that his nagging injuries don't carry over.
How many guys have an injury free season only to get hurt the following season? How healthy Nicks is in 2013 means next to nothing in the grand scheme of things as long as he doesn't suffer a serious injury, or course.
It's a crap shoot more often than not. No matter what happens with Nicks this season no one knows how healthy he is going to be in 2014 and beyond. Good luck trying to figure that out.
Congrats to Cruz, smart move for the team and player.
Josh in the City - WTF?
Josh in the City : 1:32 pm
that's the right dollar amount for both sides.
What's incredible about it if it's the right #s for both sides? Maybe I missed your point there?
To whomever worries now that "Nicks is gone". No, there will be cap room to re-sign or extend Nicks, so long as he isn't looking for Calvin - Fitz type dough rey me.
Nice job getting it done finally to both parties to the contract.
Yep, Nicks will have to stay healthy this year to get dream dollars. I'd imagine if he misses a few games this season, teams will factor that into any offers.
This contract sets the stage for more championships to come. The deal allows the team future flexibility within the salary cap structure. They have room to reinvest in Hakeem Nicks and JPP if they see fit to do so based on their performance and durability this season.
Mr. Mara took an unusually active role in this process early on with his statements to the media. I think it was effective but hope it is an anomaly. JR&Co played their hand very well.
Great to keep you in beloved Blue VC! See you at training camp.
The numbers just made sense for both sides
And you know he wanted to stay in NY
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[url=http://www.overthecap.com/cap.php?Name=Jason%20Pierre%20Paul&Position=43DE&Team=Giants]JPP contractual breakdown[/url]
Just guessing, but I think 2015 is a player option.
As far as Victor Crus' new deal is concerned, Jason Fitzgerald from overthecap.com has his 2013 cap number as being LOWER that the $2.879 M tender amount. He's got Cruz's cap number for this coming season as being $2,530,000 (that's a net cap savings differential of $349,000). I'll check this out again tomorrow to be sure. Here are two Cruz links:
I. "Victor Cruz Signs Extension: PFT With Contract Details" by Jason Fitzgerald from overthecap.com - July 8, 2013
II. Cruz's contractual breakdown - ( New Window )
I would guess that there may be some escalator clauses attached to the sixth year or that it may be voidable based on certain parameters being met, but an unfettered option year given to a player is not very common as far as I recall.
actually, what would be the point, why on earth would you want to a one year player option, even if you were the player, on the $ of your rookie contract at that.
Does the 2014 roster bonus apply to only the 2014 cap, the 2014-2018 caps or the 2013-2018 caps?
Considering that JPP figures to cost much more than Nicks, if it comes down to one or the other I don't think it's a contest. Sign Nicks.
Eli is 32. The time to surround him with the best possible tools (that means familiarity with both Eli and the offensive system) is now. No more wasting Eli time on getting guys acclimated.
Luckily we don't have to decide today and with JPP we have a min of 2 more years
JPP was the best player on the field at times in 2011. I can't see the Giants letting that kind of player walk. Stud pass rushers are so hard to find.
I'd rather not think about JPP just yet. We have time and Nicks is the guy to worry about. Remember, a lot of former cap killers are coming off the books soon. Tuck, Diehl, Rolle, Snee, Webster maybe Baas....we will have room to sign the next wave of stars. The transition has already begun.
The guys who the Giants truly want to keep, they keep. The only one who got away that they wanted to keep was Steve Smith, but that was partly due to the fact that he didn't give them a chance to match the Eagles offer and partly due to the uncertainty surrounding his return from injury.
And if he doesn't have a good year, health-wise, I suspect that he'd go for a 1 or 2 year extension before he'd sign a long-term deal at a lower figure.
Regarding JPP, I know I am in the minority, but I just don't have him in that phenom category yet. He was one of the best on our D last year and maybe our poor defensive performance hurt him as well but I just don't have him in Mario Williams money territory. Note, I am not saying that he would get that from someone, I just don't want that someone to be the Giants until JPP really performs this year at a minimum.
Again, i know I may be in the minority but I just don't see how losing JPP hurts all that much when the defense collectively is so porous.
My thoughts on Nicks are that the Giants should wait to see his health throughout this season before determining his value. My guess is they will do that because his health has been an issue. I agree with those who say if he has health issues again or a sub par performance season the Giants aren'r going to make him a big offer and I won't blame them.
Too early to discuss JPP.
NFL rank in points scored/allowed:
2012 Ravens: 10th/12th
2011 Giants: 9th/25th
2010 Packers: 10th/2nd
2009 Saints: 1st/20th
2008 Steelers: 20th/1st
2007 Giants: 14th/17th
2006 Colts: 2nd/23rd
2005 Steelers: 9th/4th
Average ranking: 9th/13th
While that's hardly a robust scientific analysis, I do think it lends a bit to the idea that offense has had a greater role in winning titles...particularly in the example of our two titles. Consider also that the presence of the Steelers twice in that list skews the numbers a bit as they have been a team built completely on defense in recent years.
Just curious bro...Why did you start from 2005? Was there is historical scenario I missed? Personally, I would have started from 2002, the first year of realignment when the divisions were altered, making the playoff format different then it used to be.