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dk in TX : 7/9/2013 5:38 pm
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It seems like the bulk of the article  
SimpleMan : 7/9/2013 5:40 pm : link
is simply naming the older players on any given team. It takes no accountability for young up and coming players, or how well a team drafts.
That was a pretty awful run-down  
Exit 172 : 7/9/2013 5:47 pm : link
of the current Giants' situation.

Put Brandt out to pasture, already...
Giants have a QB who never misses a game, one probably 2 WR's  
ECham : 7/9/2013 5:54 pm : link
for the foreseeable future.

In a QB driven NFL where things can change in a year or two, they are as well set up as any team can be.
He's right though.  
Curtis in VA : 7/9/2013 5:54 pm : link
Eli's getting up there. Thats really all that matters.
Yeah...  
EricB in NYC : 7/9/2013 5:56 pm : link
Because Mike Pope has never pulled a rabbit out of a hat before with a no-name TE... like Kevin Boss or Jake Ballard. That article is moronic.
Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Tony Romo  
Exit 172 : 7/9/2013 5:58 pm : link
are all older than Eli.
EricB -  
Exit 172 : 7/9/2013 6:01 pm : link
Pope will have to pull a rabbit out of his hat with a guy who had 79 catches last year on a lousy team.
He mentions Bob3, a gut playing on a team that has no supporting  
jintsfan : 7/9/2013 6:28 pm : link
cast and is also an older team. He has no idea whether Bob3's knee will ever be the same nor does he mention that one more hit on it and his career is done. Yes, the Jints are getting older but on average are not any older than most teams.
The Giants ara reflection of their ownership:  
Optimus-NY : 7/9/2013 6:32 pm : link
They don't panic, they're well managed, and they look to the long-term as well as the short-term (more to the long-term though). They won't get caught with their pants down, and if things go sideways, they only do for a season.

The drafting of Ryan Nassib was an excellent decision for many reasons when you really look closer at it. If Eli really does start to go south for any reason, they're going to have a youngin to plug in. If not, they can trade him, and draft another QB in another 3 years or so to do the same thing with.
"The skty is falling!"  
Blackbeard : 7/9/2013 6:50 pm : link
"The sky is falling!"
If Eli stays healthy, there's no reason....  
Crispino : 7/9/2013 6:56 pm : link
he can't be very effective for another 4-5 years. Now or never for this team is ridiculous. As long as Eli is playing at a a high level, this team can be dangerous.
Coming from the same guy  
j_rud : 7/9/2013 6:58 pm : link
who predicted Dallas would win the division, citing that their rookie Center went to Wisconsin and will form a "Wisconsin Bond" with Romo, touting a 5th round RB, and the fact that their week 1 and week 17 games are at home.

Gil Brandt is a football legend. We all know that. He's even still somewhat decent in his sirius appearances. But please, when it comes to written articles its well past time for nfl.com to Old Yeller his wrinkly ass. "Senior analyst"? No shit, he's the only NFL employee left who sent a scouting report via telegraph.
now or never?  
SHO'NUFF : 7/9/2013 7:21 pm : link
each team got it done twice already
so much for the kinder gentler BBI  
gidiefor : 7/9/2013 7:35 pm : link
: )

I don't think that article is so out of whack - Arguably Tom Brady started losing his edge in 2007 at 31 to someones named Manning - Brady seemed in vincible until that Superbowl

Eli Manning will be the exception and not the rule if he marches the Giants back to the Superbowl, and while he is arguably already a Hall of Famer - he can join the ranks of the immortals if he pilots the Giants to another Superbowl win - I think the next two years you probably do get Eli Manning at his peak -

It really is all about the QB - and what you surround him with. Manning is also arguably surrounded by more weapons than Brady was in 2007 - and certainly has more weapons than Big Ben.

I, for one, agree that the time is now for the Giants to strike - two years out - striking will get tougher - folks cite Ryan Nassib above - but you really don't know what you have in Nassib yet - and will Coughlin still be the coach when the next QB emerges? Will injuries change this team? Coach Coughlin has certainly played a vital role in the Giants success - and it's a success that can be so, so fragile.
Right SHO?  
j_rud : 7/9/2013 7:50 pm : link
"Now or not 3 in the last decade" is a bit more accurate.
Gil Brandt a legend?  
dutch1 : 7/9/2013 7:54 pm : link
Years ago maybe but then again wasn't Al Davis too?
I think he view the list as actual title contenders...and a compliment  
George from PA : 7/9/2013 8:00 pm : link
Dallas has the age issues.....with a far less depth....and even though he selected the Boys to be division champs....I think he did it to keep in good graces with Jones.

but 31 is the turning point for a QBs?...that is moronic. Just see the top QB's in the league!..to disprove that point
Eli hasn't had  
Doomster : 7/9/2013 8:22 pm : link
a serious injury, but he has taken a pounding over the years(especially the last three) because of the failures of the OL.....as he get's older, it's imperative that we progressively put a stronger line in front of him.....

I certainly would have put Denver and NE ahead of the Giants....
Ha  
BigBlue22 : 7/9/2013 8:23 pm : link
Bare vines at tight end? We have a solid TE corp. Pope has turned many "no name" players into great players that have left the giants and did nada
Glad I read the entire thread  
RinR : 7/9/2013 8:34 pm : link
before reading that article which I am not going to do now. Sounds like its poorly written.
Our offensive players around Eli are good  
dpinzow : 7/9/2013 8:54 pm : link
but Brady had better in 2007, I think...he had Moss and Welker at their best, and an offensive line in its prime
To me, its Dallas that is "now or never"  
JohnB : 7/9/2013 9:28 pm : link
Romo hasn't put together a playoff run and still they gave him a HUGE contract. If he doesn't learn to produce in the playoffs real soon, Dallas will be in cap hell with no way out and an old, washed up QB who can't win in a big spot.

They have to start winning now.... unless Gil Brandt thinks they are done already and there was no reason to put them up there.
How can it be now or never  
Blue Blood : 7/9/2013 10:41 pm : link
when we just won in 2011 ???
It's been documented statistically  
DG : 7/9/2013 10:50 pm : link
that QBs start to decline markedly at age 35. There are very few exceptions.

Eli is 32 going on 33. I think he's got 3 more very good to great years ahead, and probably 2 decent ones after that.

That's not a short window in NFL terms. It is as far as finding a replacement to develop behind Eli. It may be Nassib, but i think he'll be gone before Eli retires.
Isn't romo older than Eli?  
djm : 7/9/2013 11:01 pm : link
Lol Dallas is the quintessential now of never team. Ware is another year older. Dez is great but he is one mental tick away from the funny farm and hes a Fa soon. And their head cosch is on the hottest of hot seats.

Lol keep the hits coming there Gil. Now or never giants? They won two chips in the last 6 seasons! So did Pitt!
now or never? both teams have one recently  
chris r : 7/10/2013 4:43 am : link
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sure eli is older  
msh : 7/10/2013 4:53 am : link
but he isnt keapernick,rogers or rg3 he doesnt need to run for his life and first downs because his OL isnt good enough. he is a pocket passer who could play for at least another 6 years at a level capable of winning it all

the giants have young DB's,a young rebuilt OL assuming mosely,mccants,brewer and pugh all end up as starters over the next year or two and the other one would be beatty who isnt old either,they have a young and dynamic WR corp,they have kept the DL conveyor going as they always do.they have nassib to groom behind eli and have carr to play now the LB corp is a half young/half replaceable FA so no problems there either

the giants are as future ready as its possible to be in the 53 man salary cap era and better than most. this is why the packers and giants compete every year now they are always keeping themselves ready for the future unlike dallas/miami/vikings who play for now and to hang with tommorrow
Eli is older  
bc4life : 7/10/2013 7:13 am : link
but does anyone think he will play less than 3-4 more years?

How many teams can guarantee their franchise QB will play longer?
RE DEs  
bc4life : 7/10/2013 7:18 am : link
Yeah Tuck is older but Kiwi will be around for some time and JPP, your starters - and Moore and between the others they should ha a solid rotation.

Snee is older and has a few years left, but their starting LT is young, their future RT is a rookie, and maybe Moore or one the other youngsters can start - that is 3 of 5 and who an guarantee their OLine will be together longer than 3-4 years. They will be here as long as Eli.

The corners - the starters Prince, Hosley, and they will bring on new players - don't think this is a win now team and their RB corps are extremely young
Cruz  
NJGiantFan84 : 7/10/2013 8:45 am : link
Nicks and Eli could be together for the next six years. I don't think that's win now or never.
Brandt has become such a homer for Dallas  
WillieYoung : 7/10/2013 9:05 am : link
Romo - 33
Ware - 31
Witten - 31
Spencer and Free 30 before the season ends
Young stars ????
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