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Jaws Ranks Eli 8th on QB countdown

NewYorkGiants : 7/15/2013 2:37 pm
I understand eli had a somewhat down year but seriously


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BrettNYG10 : 7/15/2013 4:00 pm : link
Flacco isn't a better QB than Eli, but is likely to get a higher grade given his more recent success. Silly, but is to be expected. I have no issue with Eli being behind Ben. Rodgers/Brady/Peyton are the three that I'd say are definitively above Eli. After that I think you have some discretion.
Curtis,  
AnishPatel : 7/15/2013 4:00 pm : link
I have always said, my wish, now after the SB wins and such is to see Eli in a new system. I think he would have much better numbers in another system. Just look at big ben in his new dink and dunk system. I don't want that for Eli would I wouldn't mind a lot more screens of all sorts like we had when Tiki was here. Make things easier for Eli. I want a system that will pad Eli's stats just like other QBs benefit from in their respective systems.
We are Eli's surrogate family. There would be something wrong  
Marty in Albany : 7/15/2013 4:04 pm : link
with us if we didn't think that he was the best.
I don't see the point of these rankings  
Go Terps : 7/15/2013 4:04 pm : link
For example every objective analysis would tell you that Peyton Manning has been a better QB over the course of his career than Eli. The stats are all better and he's done it over a longer period of time.

But would anyone in their right mind take Peyton Manning in a must win game over Eli? Would anyone take Matt Ryan? Joe Flacco? I wouldn't. I'll tell you another guy that I put in the same light...Roethlisberger. He's shown himself to be a big QB in big spots.

I don't put much stock in rolling up stats on the Jaguars or or Buccaneers in week 9.
Anish  
Go Terps : 7/15/2013 4:05 pm : link
I have no problems with the system. The system has delivered two titles...more than every other team except Pittsburgh since Coughlin and Eli got here.
Guys, I love Eli just as much as you all do....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 7/15/2013 4:07 pm : link
....but the fact is that he sucked last year in the games vs. Roethlisberger, Ryan and Flacco. Yes, our overall team performance in those games was putrid, but he was right there in the mix of suckiness.
Eli  
PaulN : 7/15/2013 4:07 pm : link
Actually needs 1 more ring to seal his fate, people just refuse to give him his due, I am really hoping he comes up with one more run, then I want to hear all the experts. Maybe this time he knocks off Ben or Flacco in the final game, and maybe Kapernick , Rodgers, and Wilson in the NFC. Think that would finally seal it?
Emlen  
Go Terps : 7/15/2013 4:08 pm : link
Yeah and he blew out Brees and Rodgers. Doesn't make Ryan and Flacco better than Brees and Rodgers.
Actually...  
BillKo : 7/15/2013 4:20 pm : link
Eli at #8 is quite good, esp when you consider the QB's behind him. You could argue a few spots up (ahead of Flacco/Ryan) but those guys get the nod now due to their play and success last year. That's fine.

However, Matt Schaub at #9 ahead of RG3, Wilson, and even Romo???

That's an outrage.

I think Schaub is completely average - if there was ever a guy to rate at #15 it's him. That guy can't complete a pass on the move out of the pocket. Awful.
Eli at 8  
cokeduplt : 7/15/2013 4:26 pm : link
isnt unreasonable although imo he is higher. Hopefully he just goes out and proves he's "elite" again!
He has to be higher than Ryan  
Adam XLII : 7/15/2013 4:30 pm : link
and Roethlisburger. I don't care really, otherwise.
BillKo... exactly.  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 7/15/2013 4:37 pm : link
I'm more offended that Matt Schaub is that high than Eli is 8th. I would take chokin' Tony Romo over Matt Schaub 7 days a week, let alone the 4 young QBs.

Like someone else said, who really cares. I would take Eli over several of those QBs, but it isn't outlandish.
not that I really care about these type of lists, but Matt Ryan over  
Victor in CT : 7/15/2013 4:39 pm : link
Eli? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
off of last year  
CGiants07 : 7/15/2013 4:48 pm : link
I have no problem witrh ryan and flacco ahead of eli but ben wasn't better than eli last year
To me it's not the number  
JOrthman : 7/15/2013 4:49 pm : link
I find it odd to have Flacco and Ryan ahead of him. I can see everyone else ahead of him, but not those two.
Go Terps  
BigBlueinChicago : 7/15/2013 5:00 pm : link
How can you make a choice based on one game?

That is too small of a sample. Anything can happen in one game. Too many factors at work in and out of his control.

Let say if the Giants make the playoffs this year and Eli stinks it up and they lose. Would any of us think any less of him as a QB? The answer (I hope) is no.

I just don't get why one would not take the Player A who gives more consistent high level week-in and week-out performance than Player B who doesn't do it as much. The pure math would say that I stand a better chance of winning more games with Player A than Player B.

Folks want to make it about the playoffs and that's flawed. You have to get to the playoffs first. As we have found out first hand 3 of the last 4 years, we haven't even given ourselves a chance because the team hasn't been good enough over the 16 games that so many just readily dismiss out of hand.
He can move up,  
oldog : 7/15/2013 5:06 pm : link
if he proves he's ready to beat Big Brother in week 2.
any team  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/15/2013 5:08 pm : link
that would take Flacco or Ryan over Eli Manning would not be successful in the league over the long term.
My semi-senior moment of the day.  
Klaatu : 7/15/2013 5:18 pm : link
I first read "Jaws" as "Jews." I was like...WTF?
Jaws has always hated the Giants  
oipolloi : 7/15/2013 5:21 pm : link
Don't take anything he says about them seriously
BigBlueinChicago  
Go Terps : 7/15/2013 6:05 pm : link
I agree with you, but to a point. I don't weigh all games the same. A playoff game in Green Bay is not the same as a home game in October against Cleveland.

In the big games, Eli has come up big. You can say that 3 out of 4 years we've missed the playoffs...but I can say we won the Super Bowl the year we made it.

I don't want consistent. I want titles. We have two with Eli at QB. Matt Ryan can feel as great as he wants about his stats last year...he still quarterbacked the team that blew a 17-0 lead at home in the NFCC and got shut out in the second half. If I'm a Falcon fan I'm not coming out of 2012 happy.
GT, also keep in mind Matt Ryan is noticeably worse on the road  
David in LA : 7/15/2013 6:12 pm : link
He's been surrounded by great talent at all the skill positions as well. Eli has had a revolving door at TE since Boss left, and he has helped bring along WR's that includes Nicks, Smith, Manningham, and Cruz. My biggest issue is that Matt Ryan has the lame "Matty Ice" monicker, when our QB is the more cutthroat killer in the 4th.
Yeah and one of those 3 years  
Big Blue '56 : 7/15/2013 6:12 pm : link
we were 10-6 and SHOULD HAVE BEEN 11-5..Fine, you either make the playoffs or you don't, but don't make it appear as though we sucked with a 10-6(*11-5) record..
Ryan, Flacco, and  
MookGiants : 7/15/2013 6:37 pm : link
Roethlisberger ahead of Eli is nothing short of comical.

Part of being a good QB is staying healthy, something Roethlisberger has a hard time doing
the offense  
whobetta : 7/15/2013 6:42 pm : link
is high risk high reward style... Nicks banged up for much of season... it is what it is...

if our D improves our OL blocks well he should have a better year.

who cares though, lets get another Lombardi Trophy then everyone will just have to eat it hard!!!!
He was very complimentary and had him  
RDJR : 7/15/2013 6:51 pm : link
#5 last year. Coming off of last season he has him at #8. Not that far off IMO.
Eli has 2 rings  
mack809f : 7/15/2013 6:53 pm : link
and his best years may be ahead of him, Nicks, Cruz Randle Wilson and Myers might be the best group he's ever thrown to. Matt Ryan is younger but what Falcon fan wouldn't cash in his career for 2 championships? Brady, Ben, Peyton and Brees
will not be better than our guy in the coming years. If Brady beat us twice, he would be considered the best, hands down. Lets get another title or 2 with our best QB ever. Then Jaws and others can start rating him in the top ten all time.
eli was very average  
hitdog42 : 7/15/2013 7:05 pm : link
For almost half our games last year.
Based on that having him at #8 is about right. Had he been better last year, not even great, he would probably be 4 or 5.
Its on the oline, wr health, and eli homself making bonehead decisions at times in 2nd half of year for why he is #8... Not jaws fault.
Go Terps  
BigBlueinChicago : 7/15/2013 7:29 pm : link
In sports, you don't get to decide which years you win.

We found this out the hard way when our best team, the '08 team, probably should have returned to the Super Bowl and had a good chance to win it all again. But because of a very unique set of circumstances, it didn't happen. Yet two of our other teams won Super Bowls when we least expected it.

All you can give yourself is a chance. Yes we have won. But those three other occasions, we gave ourselves no chance at all. The more chances you get, the better your chances are that eventually certain things will fall your way. In our case, we've had the fortune of winning in our small sample.

You mentioned Atlanta. Sure they didn't get to the Super Bowl last year. But the law of averages are in their favor that if they keep making the playoffs and gain a high seed, it will break right for them one of these years.
I don't think winning a Super Bowl is something that happens to you  
Go Terps : 7/15/2013 7:40 pm : link
I do think you get to decide when it happens...and in no case is this more true than in Eli Manning's, who played brilliantly in both the '07 and '11 playoffs...almost entirely on the road...and who made the decisive plays on the decisive drive in each of the Super Bowls.

As a fan I'm not interested in making the playoffs every year. I'm interested in winning Super Bowls.

And with Eli Manning this has happened twice. It is crucial to never forget it or try to marginalize that by pointing to the years we didn't win Super Bowls. 2 Super Bowl titles in 9 seasons is a better ratio than all but a handful of quarterbacks in the history of the sport. That's the ratio that matters. 50 years from now no one is going to ask how many times Eli's Giants made the playoffs.
These opinion rankings STILL don't matter.  
Beez : 7/15/2013 7:43 pm : link
Two-time Super Bowl MVP, with (knock on wood) plenty more years to play. Great guy, family man, community-oriented.

In THAT way, there's no one better.

So grateful to have enjoyed his Giants career to this point. Very optimistic about the coming seasons, as well. Always a chance with #10 back there.
And I'll tell ya,  
Go Terps : 7/15/2013 7:46 pm : link
as a fan I don't want to be Atlanta. I don't want to go 13-3 and have no faith that they're going to get through the playoffs (they're already blown 2 #1 seeds) to the Super Bowl.

I'd rather be the Giants. Instead of fearing the playoffs or thinking that we may have already blown our best shots, we KNOW that if we get into the playoffs no one is going to want to play us. Doesn't matter our record, doesn't matter if we're on the road. We've got the pelts on the wall to prove it.
Joe Flacco made these lists look silly last year  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/15/2013 7:56 pm : link
Is Eli Manning a Franchise QB? Check
Can Eli Manning good enough to carry a shit team into the playoffs by himself? Check (2011)
Can Eli Manning play like the best QB in football for a 2 month stretch? Check
Is Eli Manning the best clutch QB in 4th quarters? Check

Is he inconsistent and does he have more stinkers than some of the other top QBs? Yes.

He's not a borderline perfect QB like Brady or Peyton have been. But he's a very good QB who can get on hot streaks that rival anyone's and has proven time after time that he can win the big game.

The difference between 5th and 8th is meaningless. The difference between 2 rings and 0 rings isn't.
I would put Eli tied with Big Ben for 5th but could see how a guy who  
Mike in Jersey : 7/15/2013 8:20 pm : link
May not watch him every week could have Ryan and Flacco ahead of him. Atlanta is coming off of a huge year, Ryan threw for over 4700 yards with 32 TDs and a 68% completion rate. Flacco won the Super Bowl.
you mean beat big brother week 2 AND  
mattlawson : 7/15/2013 8:48 pm : link
in the Superbowl... Manningbowl in NYC -- shot called.
What difference does it make where a QB is rated by the media?  
Blackbeard : 7/15/2013 8:59 pm : link
What counts is where his team is at the end of the season.
It's a TEAM GAME!
Yes, the QB is of prime importance, but there are so many factors that go into a team's success or failure that nobody's opinion is going to make a difference.
Stop letting these "Sports Journalists" ring your bells.
i dont give a damn flacco got a ring  
Neverend : 7/15/2013 9:05 pm : link
he isnt better than eli. maybe he had a better season, but as far as pure qb play, id take eli over him with ease.

flacco has great arm strength no doubt, but i dont see the pre-snap and post-snap phase in his game like we see with eli. in flaccos first few years in the league, he was a guy who never had a great understanding of coverages, the ability to decipher information based on defensive looks within a matter of nanoseconds & knowing where to go with the ball immediately like we see with the elite QBs (checking to a run doesnt count, everybody does that), hes just not in that class of the top QBs in the game. All he ever did was lock on to derrick mason, time and time again. he looked awful in the clutch in some postseason meetings, but he was young. Now baltimore has some fancy talent at TE and obviously better talent overall but he hasnt proven it to me.

I dont think hes in the brady/peyton/brees/rogers/eli class yet until I see him carry a passing game and a bad defense for an entire season on his shoulders. All of the QBs above did it, he NEVER has. Baltimore struggled on defense last year and the ravens had a brutal stretch of games (barely escaped san diego which wouldve caused a lengthy losing streak) and got a fluke win over dallas. Over the past few years the ravens have struggled to find an offensive identity behind flacco too, even trying some of that no huddle approach early in the season. To me, the ravens passing game is a big play, play action passing game and with flaccos plus arm strength, he gives you a big time downfield element, the TEs they drafted really helps as well. thats it, and kind of only it. when he has a season where he carries an offense, i'll be suprised. but he got his ring, and deserves his due
Would Flaaco  
Doomster : 7/15/2013 10:24 pm : link
be rated ahead of Eli, if a certain Denver safety made an int he should have had?
Or  
Doomster : 7/15/2013 10:25 pm : link
at least, knocked down?
Eli would have had the same year with the Falcons recievers  
mattlawson : 7/15/2013 10:29 pm : link
If not better. Matt ryan might have won 3 games with the way the Giants were with injuries
Can't say what might or might not have happened  
Go Terps : 7/15/2013 10:35 pm : link
We know only what did happen. Flacco is a champion and Super Bowl MVP. He can never ever be denied that. Give him his due.
You can give Flacco his due and raise an eyebrow over him being at  
Riggies : 7/15/2013 10:53 pm : link
least the 7th best QB in the NFL -- and probably higher (as I think he'll be ahead of at least Ben, if not Ryan, as well) -- on a list like this that isn't just based on 2012, with a heavy weight to the playoffs. You can't take his SB ring or MVP away from him, he deserves significant credit for them, but you can also look at the overall body of work and then project from that what is also most likely to show up going forward.

I don't really have problem with Eli being 8th or so generally speaking because of what his flaws are and how he pretty much is a finished product at his age (his consistency issues aren't ever going to go away, unfortunately), but Flacco ahead of him right now on a list of this sort is just... stupid and, honestly, should be below Jaworski.
"Eli would have had the same year with the Falcons recievers "  
Mike in Jersey : 7/15/2013 10:56 pm : link
You make it sound like Nicks and Cruz are some scrubs. They are pretty damned close to White and Jones.
no  
msh : 7/16/2013 7:27 am : link
when healthy (which nicks wasnt last year)
nicks and cruz are way better

its the OL that was the problem last couple of years thats why they have been drafting OL and high picks
Very fair ranking  
hudson : 7/17/2013 12:38 pm : link
Eli has never put up Brees or Rodgers numbers.
He also can got into some very bad slumps like a big slugger.
But he is durable, capable of leading and carrying a team on his back, just not consistent.

Quite fair.


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hudson, what bullshit.  
Randy in CT : 7/17/2013 1:37 pm : link
Having so little appreciation for your team's multiple SB winning, MVP achieving Qb makes you suck as a fan.

you give me  
PaulBlakeTSU : 7/17/2013 1:44 pm : link
any team, any situation, and at no point would I ever want Flacco or Matt Ryan in there instead of Eli.
Jaws  
Spyder : 7/17/2013 2:13 pm : link
pointed out that Eli is still a top, top quality QB, and he said he dropped Eli a bit more because he was slightly more inconsistent in 2012, and other QB's had improved and so they moved up.

He also had tons of respect for Eli pre-snap, he said he is one of the very best at reading defensive alignments and getting his team aligned for the D called.

He likes Eli just fine, and I think he is pretty fair with Eli. He pointed out how hard he works on film, and I think he totally gets how clutch he is.

#8 is no big deal, Jaws will give him a fair shake during the year, and I think he does a good job calling Eli's games.
Does Jaws mention  
AnishPatel : 7/17/2013 2:23 pm : link
injuries to the guys on offense in his report or article?
hudson: Jaws has someone like Joe Flacco ahead of Drew Brees now.  
Riggies : 7/18/2013 6:10 am : link
(And, hey, maybe even higher! Since the list isn't finished and Flacco hasn't been named yet.)

So this "Eli will never put up Brees' numbers." or talks about inconsistency don't work as to what the logic behind this actual list is.
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