Jaws Ranks Eli 8th on QB countdown

was ahead of him?

atleast. top 5 by my count and the only reason ben is ahead of him is the regular season W/L record. but I put that on the Steelers perpetually good D and the giants light switch D

....and here comes the meltdown!

time!

imagine if Mort said this!

Who gives a shit?

last year or overall in general?

#1 in our hearts

the Cowboys are still are a mediocre football team and 9-7 would be around where they should finish

I'm not really paying a ton of attention to this but this leaves who ahead of him? Brady, Brees, Peyton, Rodgers obviously. so Ben R.? Matt R.? please God not Flacco.

8 Eli Manning
9 Matt schaub(i believe)
10 Andrew Luck
11 Colin Kaepernick
12 Russell Wilson
13 Robert Griffin III
14 Jay Cutler
15 Tony Romo
16 Matthew Stafford
17 Philip Rivers
18 Cam Newton
19 Andy Dalton
20 Alex Smith
21 Josh Freeman
22 Sam Bradford
23 Carson Palmer
24 Ryan Tannehill
25 Michael Vick
26 Brandon Weeden
27 Christian Ponder
28 Mark Sanchez
29 Chad Henne
30 Kevin Kolb
31 Jake Locker
32 Matt Flynn


that leaves 7 spots for these qbs
Rodgers
brees
Peyton
ryan
flacco
rothelisberger
Brady

Once an Eagle.............

yep Flacco too

I'm guessing RGIII, Russel Wilson, Capernick, and Luck are already ahead of Eli in their QB rankings. They love hype way more than a track record and results

people were seriously arguing that Jay Culter, Kyle Orton, and I believe the immortal Matt Cassel were on the same tier as Eli. Now he is almost universally recognized as a top 10 QB with many having him in or just outside their top five.

As a Giant fan who remembers when the punter was our best offensive weapon, I'm in heaven

My unscientific list has him higher than Jaws' unscientific list!

Whether it was the rumored arm injury or not, he didn't play that well down the stretch and did some big-time stat padding against a dead Philly team in week 17. Flacco and Ryan had better years, but Ben's debatable.

Flacco.

had the 21st ranked total offense last season. We had a 14 ranked offense, which was not top 10. In fact this was the 1st time we weren't top 10 since 2008 season.

Eli had a good year considering all the injuries to the people surrounding him. As a QB you can only do so much.

Eli/Peyton
Ben
Brees
Rodgers
Brady

Rank them however you want, but I don't understand how anyone who knows anything about football would have it any other way.

Flacco and Ryan are breaking through and maybe Flacco even deserves to have his name mentioned up there at this point, but when you look at overall stats, winning, toughness, consistency, leadership and longevity, these are the guys...

I still find it unbelievable how disrespected Eli is. His 1 championship was called a fluke. Now, after he cemented his career with a 2nd title by literally carrying an otherwise mediocre team on his back, he's still coming in 8th on some list by Ron Jaworski?

when its crunch time and a championship is on the line, I want no other QB than Eli.

....vs. Roethlisberger, Ryan and Flacco?

our swiss cheese defense couldn't stop the Steelers, Falcons, and Ravens running attack.

the rest, yeah I can see it all things given.

those guys? Pick-up basketball games or something?

With a statement like that it's clear you know nothing about evaluating a QB.

when Eli has had his best seasons, the team has barely finished above .500 for the most part.

My list:

1.Brady
2.Peyton
3.Rodgers
4.Brees
5.Eli
6.Big Ben
7.Flacco
8.Ryan
9.Rivers (I'm surprised he was so low)
10.Schaub
11.Romo (He was kind of low too)
12.Cutler
13.Stafford

I'm not bothering to rank the rest, I can't see how Jaws ranks second year players 10-13 in front of proven quality starters like Romo, Rivers, and Cutler.

At this point nothing is going to change. He is who he is. He is a gunslinger. He takes risks. He can be erratic. And he's cold as ice when the game is on the line.

I'll take it. No complaints here.

the annual list or analyst that continually diminish what Eli has done. It wouldn't be a complete offseason if we didnt have at least 1 list that undersells Eli's talents.

Yeah I agree.


Just look at our offensive rank since Eli came to our team.




2012: 14
2011: 8
2010: 5
2009: 8
2008: 7
2007: 16
2006: 14
2005: 4
2004: 23



That's pretty damn good. And during his tenure we haven't had a losing season despite being on our 4th DC. LOL.

That's how I would rank them.

is that in big games ... with championships on the line he has bested all of them that he's had to go up against ... and add a Favre to the list too ...

yup. Also, he is driving Gilbrides (or Coughlins - depending on who you ask lol) offense which is not an easy thing to do. I can't back this up with anything factual but I just think his statistics and rankings, for those that lean on those things, would be even higher if he played in some of these other offenses.

Peyton, Brady, Big Ben, Brees and Rodgers all on the same level. You can rank them anyway you want, but they are the elite, top tier quarterbacks in football.

Matt Ryan is a wet noodle and Flacco could potentially join that top tier group. Like Eli after 2007, he needs to follow up with a post-Super Bowl win bad ass season to be considered with the other six.

Not as well as he did against Rodgers and Brees.

look at where those who used to ranked ahead of him are

and note about have the QBs below him were often considered comparable

Jaws doesn't really care for Eli, he never has, he never will. I can see how he dings him for the INT's, but what about never missing a game? What about his career comeback totals? What about his defense being a disaster last year?

Jaws doesn't really paint the whole picture which is why getting upset at it is pointless.

Five.

Ben and Drew have comeback seasons, and Tom breaks in well with those new receivers. Drew I can understand w/SP back ,as well and that new vaunted RobR 'D'(sarcasm), but Ben? Tom? meh.
However, I can't criticize because Eli and Giants are usually ranked 30 in everything.According to the experts.

Write something negative about New York Giants or Eli and watch the story hits multiply. Say something nice and it's ignored.

from a Philadelphia boy.

There is so much more to it but all you need to look at is 4 games.

-Conditions/performance NFCCG @ Green Bay

-Performance/4th quarter/final drive SB 42

-Conditions/performance/toughness NFCCG @ San Francisco

-Performance/throw/final drive SB 46

He's at his best when it matters most.

it really matter .... only the bling counts.

that 3 of the top 10 QBs on the list (and 4 of the top 17) are from the 2004 class.

pretty much right around where everybody in the world outside of BBI would rank him. Some might have him a little higher (above Ben and Flacco). Some might have him a little lower, if they're going overboard on some of the new guys (which personally I wouldn't do yet, but there are some interesting young QBs).

But that's the range. Everywhere except BBI. Jaws isn't some clown who's trying to be bombastic for ratings. He puts time into it and probably has a lot of pride in his rankings.

Flacco isn't a better QB than Eli, but is likely to get a higher grade given his more recent success. Silly, but is to be expected. I have no issue with Eli being behind Ben. Rodgers/Brady/Peyton are the three that I'd say are definitively above Eli. After that I think you have some discretion.

I have always said, my wish, now after the SB wins and such is to see Eli in a new system. I think he would have much better numbers in another system. Just look at big ben in his new dink and dunk system. I don't want that for Eli would I wouldn't mind a lot more screens of all sorts like we had when Tiki was here. Make things easier for Eli. I want a system that will pad Eli's stats just like other QBs benefit from in their respective systems.

with us if we didn't think that he was the best.

For example every objective analysis would tell you that Peyton Manning has been a better QB over the course of his career than Eli. The stats are all better and he's done it over a longer period of time.

But would anyone in their right mind take Peyton Manning in a must win game over Eli? Would anyone take Matt Ryan? Joe Flacco? I wouldn't. I'll tell you another guy that I put in the same light...Roethlisberger. He's shown himself to be a big QB in big spots.

I don't put much stock in rolling up stats on the Jaguars or or Buccaneers in week 9.

I have no problems with the system. The system has delivered two titles...more than every other team except Pittsburgh since Coughlin and Eli got here.