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Cruz thought he took less money to stay with Giants

Militarygman : 7/16/2013 7:30 pm
I was going to get my kid a Cruz jersey but will look for other options. He already has a Tuck Jersey I was thinking maybe a Wilson Jersey


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you realize  
lalalalala : 7/17/2013 2:26 am : link

that by getting an HDTV and watching the NFL Network or Redzone or Sunday Ticket or a Giants game or any other game, that you're still supporting them, right? their TV revenue is huge and dwarfs the gate yearly.

OMG  
Rob_MTL : 7/17/2013 5:09 am : link
I miss the old days.

Eric you ruined this place.
here is the interview  
NYBEN : 7/17/2013 6:10 am : link
hope link works
Cruz sirius interview - ( New Window )
giant's didn't sign him  
newmike2 : 7/17/2013 7:26 am : link
because of his brilliance in matters of economics or social commentary. He was hired to catch a ball thrown to him. Eli likes him and they work well together which makes him more valuable than a rookie in the eyes of Reese and the owners.
He helps the team win and unless he violates some sort of team rule, league rule or shoots himself in the leg, I really don't care.

If I concerned myself with how athletes thought on issues of the day and if we knew how most of them were outside of the limelight, I don't think we would watch any sport.

A little advice to those that become emotionally invested in a player, they come and go like people on the sidewalk. It's easier to just cheer for the laundry.
for crying out loud...  
newmike2 : 7/17/2013 7:27 am : link
the "Giants didn't sign him"... excuse my lapse.
IMO Cruz is a great slot receiver  
Militarygman : 7/17/2013 7:44 am : link
IMO Cruz is a great slot receiver and the highest paid slot receiver. Steve Smith had great success as a Giant slot receiver so there may be a common denominator (ELI). Hey I am glad the Giants held firm they held all the leverage they could have franchised him next year if he had another great year. I think Cruz is better when Nicks is on the outside and if they paid Cruz outside receiver money what does Nicks ask for next year? He signed a contract after holding out (his right), but it is over now stop saying how you took less money. Just like in the military you are a volunteer and when you reenlist no wants to hear how you could have made more somewhere else.
...  
kickerpa16 : 7/17/2013 8:03 am : link
Horrific analogy.

And some seriously bad posts here.

I dont even understand why this is even a topic  
Blue Blood : 7/17/2013 8:07 am : link
seriously..
Uppity athletes that post things on twitter  
Cam in MO : 7/17/2013 8:07 am : link
that relate to a verdict that had nothing to do with a problem that we don't have in this country anymore should just shut the fuck up about everything.




I think I got it right.


I clicked a Corner Forum link  
Exit 172 : 7/17/2013 8:08 am : link
and ended up at the Giants.com message board.
He makes a point  
snumber6 : 7/17/2013 8:43 am : link
but should have phrased it differently ...
Like - Signing with the Giants has a lot more to offer than going elsewhere being near my home town, my friends and family ... Being with a top flight organization ... Things money can't buy ... Others top WRs who I feel I'm every bit as good as if not better than may be paid more and although extra money is one way that is shown, I'm happy with my deal that keeps me here for most if not all the rest of my career ...
The irony  
an_idol_mind : 7/17/2013 8:48 am : link
of anybody on this board ripping into players who say something stupid is amazing.
I agree with Cruz 100% on the contract  
mrvax : 7/17/2013 8:50 am : link
Could he have worded this different? Sure. But then a different group of winey babies would cry about that too.

I'll probably have to order a Cruz jersey now to make up for the folks that are pissed off at him.
Seriously!  
Greg from LI : 7/17/2013 8:50 am : link
I mean, with all the money these greedy athletes want, you'd think that people were paying all this money just to see THEM! How arrogant can they be? Me, I'd feel a lot better if it all stayed in John Mara and Steve Tisch's bank accounts where it belongs!
Wait, so let me get this straight.  
Curtis in VA : 7/17/2013 8:51 am : link
All through the process we're sitting here on our internetz talking about how Cruz should take less money to stay here because he can more than make up for it by marketing himself in NY.

So now that he's actually done that and talked about it...we hate him now???


This is such a train wreck  
Randy in CT : 7/17/2013 8:53 am : link
starting with the stupidest opening post ever. Militarygman, you need to work on your posts to see if you can elevate from suck.
Someone with 'military' in their handle typed  
vibe4giants : 7/17/2013 8:54 am : link
this ?

Quote:
Just like in the military you are a volunteer and when you reenlist no wants to hear how you could have made more somewhere else.


The list of reasons...I mean, you can't believe...

...really???
Sounds like the Giants may have to have a Cruz jersey return day.  
GmanND : 7/17/2013 9:14 am : link
If their smart they'll let some of you guys return any Giants jersey and pick up your new Jets gear.
Well put Randy  
Andy in Halifax : 7/17/2013 9:23 am : link
Quote:
This is such a train wreck
Randy in CT : 8:53 am
starting with the stupidest opening post ever
Just catch passes and score TD's Cruz  
Jints in Carolina : 7/17/2013 9:32 am : link
and all will be ok.
He said nothing wrong  
sameolgee-MEN : 7/17/2013 9:47 am : link
in this article. I completely agree with him 100%.
I'm happy to have Cruz on the Giants  
RB^2 : 7/17/2013 10:16 am : link
I did not like the tweet at all. Cruz is a public figure who has the potential to incite an incident with a comment like that but it's a mistake he appears to have corrected.

I didn't know he had a kid out of wedlock. I don't really care one way or the other but it does mystify me how people just let that happen.
Cruz is a TO waiting to happen....  
dguy901 : 7/17/2013 11:37 am : link
Cruz is a slot receiver, not a #1 WR. He has held up well to this point but, he is due for a drop in production and injury.
Oh, let's not acknowledge his becoming more verbally flippant either.
so many stupid posts  
Dave in MD : 7/17/2013 11:39 am : link
so little time.
really? exactly which team would have given up a #1?  
Victor in CT : 7/17/2013 11:47 am : link
.
' a T.O. waiting to happen'  
vibe4giants : 7/17/2013 11:59 am : link
This thread, somehow, keeps hitting new lows.
Holy shit  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/17/2013 12:00 pm : link
Is this thread full of troll accounts invading from theganggreen.com?

This is worse than a game thread.
Who cares about having a baby out of wedlock?  
David in LA : 7/17/2013 12:01 pm : link
he's still with the mother and has been before he was a Giant. This isn't Shawn Kemp.
Welcome to the new and improved BBI!  
Britt in VA : 7/17/2013 12:02 pm : link
Where all opinions and thoughts are equal and accepted!
Britt, only except when topics are deemed controversial  
David in LA : 7/17/2013 12:04 pm : link
entire threads get deleted on the account of a stupid post here and there. It's selectively over policed over here, while dumb shits get carte blanche to post whatever they want.
Cruz did take less money to stay  
JonC : 7/17/2013 12:04 pm : link
Giants had the leverage, he wanted to stay so he compromised.

Percentages would've been in his favor to land a contract similar to Harvin, had he been a UFA.

I get the calls for maturity etc but the fact is pro athletes live in a different world than average joe. Their perspective and comments tend to reflect that. It's a waste of time complaining about it.
These contracts are also not about the "money"  
Ash : 7/17/2013 12:09 pm : link
per se. What I mean is that most of these players probably understand that getting paid 40 million over five years versus being paid 50 million over 5 years isn't going to make an appreciable difference in quality of life (save the Latrell Sprewell exceptions). How much they're paid is often a proxy for how much respect they feel they deserve; that's why it's telling that Cruz mentions other players who he thinks he's just as good as if not better than being paid more than him as a relevant factor. Insofar as he's concerned, it's an issue of fairness. Why should he be paid less for work that's just as good as others' work?

There are obviously numerous ways of responding to him that involve invoking things like leverage, supply and demand, alternate forms of renumeration, and even the base fact that ultimately they're still being paid exceptionally well. But I think framing the issue in the terms present above is a helpful way of thinking about it.
What leads you believe that he's due for a drop in production  
Sonic Youth : 7/17/2013 12:09 pm : link
or an injury? The fact he sent out a tweet that hurt your pwecious fweelings? Seriously, please, back it up, I'm sure all of BBI would love to see it.
.  
Modus Operandi : 7/17/2013 12:22 pm : link
Cruz had better spend less fiddling the dames and more time focusing on football. Yessum.
BSIMatt  
santacruzom : 7/17/2013 1:02 pm : link
Exactly! I mean, I haven't heard the interview myself, but my imagination is decent enough to consider that these quotes were responses to a very specific question. Maybe even as specific as: "Is it kind of tough to know that your contract isn't quite the same as it would have been if you were a true free agent?"

People act like Cruz was overheard muttering these remarks while nursing a whiskey within the dark confines of a shoddy downtown bar, whilst some delta blues played faintly in the background.
and yeah  
santacruzom : 7/17/2013 1:05 pm : link
If Cruz had been taking negotiating lessons from Eli Manning, this negotiation would either still be in progress, or it would have resulted in a 60 million dollar contract.
Aces  
santacruzom : 7/17/2013 1:09 pm : link
Quote:
so you would prefer cliches and platitudes?


Yes, they'd certainly prefer clichés and platitudes.

Not to generalize too much, but something tells me that the sort of person who finds fault with Cruz merely based on these quotes presented in a vacuum is the exact sort of person who extrapolates a shitload of meaning out of clichés and platitudes, and probably brandishes some on his shirts, posters, or the bumper of his car.
Was Cruz  
BJ Slade : 7/17/2013 1:22 pm : link
wearing a Cowboys hat when he said this? Because that would just put me over the edge.
I can see why Cruz feels that way.  
ZogZerg : 7/17/2013 1:22 pm : link
But, to me, this was a FAIR deal for both sides.

Cruz is setting himself to be bashed by fans if he doesn't have a big year this year.
I'm starting to wonder  
santacruzom : 7/17/2013 1:49 pm : link
about the whole "playing in New York is worth an additional 1 million in marketing" thing. Wouldn't that advantage rely upon a fan base and populace that isn't so sensitive and fickle?
Guys Guys. BBI is just getting trolled today.  
Sly Guy : 7/17/2013 1:52 pm : link
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...I think...
Ungrateful  
ronzo : 7/17/2013 2:28 pm : link
A lot more than 6.00/hr you probably would be getting at Burger King if you didn't play football
seriously  
GMenLTS : 7/17/2013 2:48 pm : link
how did this thread manage to continuing breeding stupid post after stupid post?
LTS  
lalalalala : 7/17/2013 4:00 pm : link

because BBI has alot of stupid posters? and now they've been encouraged to be stupid?
So....  
Modus Operandi : 7/17/2013 4:05 pm : link
After earning a four year degree from UConn, his only options were playing football and/or flipping burgers at Burger King.

And what do you do for a living ronzo?
UConn?  
YAJ2112 : 7/17/2013 4:08 pm : link
?
This thread  
NYBEN : 7/17/2013 4:11 pm : link
really makes me miss the "Fire Gilbride" threads. Though we should get those by the end of the first quarter of the first preseason game.
Can we please be dicks to stupid posters again?  
David in LA : 7/17/2013 4:23 pm : link
.
Quote  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/17/2013 4:26 pm : link
Quote:
omeone call the Jets
jcn56 : 8:03 pm
and tell them we've got a container full of fans they can have, no cost to them.
sorry, brain fart  
Modus Operandi : 7/17/2013 4:27 pm : link
Obviously Umass
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