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Cruz thought he took less money to stay with Giants

Militarygman : 7/16/2013 7:30 pm
I was going to get my kid a Cruz jersey but will look for other options. He already has a Tuck Jersey I was thinking maybe a Wilson Jersey


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Outrageous?  
vibe4giants : 7/16/2013 7:34 pm : link
Quote:
I'm not going to lie, it's tough. It's tough. When you understand from a numbers standpoint, and the numbers you put up you feel like deserve a certain amount of money ... and you want your team to owe that to you. But I think playing in NY, you can't take that away. You have to hold that up to an account at some point when you're going through these negotiations."

"You ask yourself 'Would you want to play for this amount in New York and play in the best city in the world and play football, and -- I'm a hometown kid -- be close to home and your mom and your family? Or do you want to take a big pay day and go somewhere like Kansas City or Minnesota where your family might not be able to come as often as you want and you're living in a city you're not too familiar with and it's an adjustment for you?' So you have to take all those things into account as well.
But I'm not going to say it's easy when you see guys getting these huge paydays and you feel like you're at the same caliber, if not better than some of those guys."
I'm not following why you're looking for other jersey options.  
GMenLTS : 7/16/2013 7:35 pm : link
Was it something he said?
I find nothing wrong  
SimpleMan : 7/16/2013 7:36 pm : link
with anything he said. When the numbers for the contract came out, most on here agreed it was a team-friendly deal. Its not like he is complaining about it, he is just reinforcing that playing in NY is worth something to him.
Cruz absolutely  
Ash : 7/16/2013 7:36 pm : link
did take less money on his contract to stay with the Giants. Could he be renumerated in other ways off the field? Yes, but that doesn't make his original statement wrong, since he was specifically discussing contracts.
If you want Cruz  
nyGIANT90 : 7/16/2013 7:39 pm : link
to not have a chip on his shoulder.. then you have no understanding of how an athlete works. Especially an URFA! That kind of attitude and personality is why he has become the dominate football player he is today. The man is GOOD.. and he knows it. Nothing he said was out of line to me.
Cruz didn't take less money  
Danny Kanell : 7/16/2013 7:42 pm : link
He took less risk. If this was next year and he's a UFA, he'd be proudly sporting that 80 Chiefs jersey.
Is getting a Wilson jersey going to teach Cruz  
Mad Mike : 7/16/2013 7:42 pm : link
some kind of lesson for whatever sin you think he's committed with these comments?
You  
Elisha2008 : 7/16/2013 7:44 pm : link
should just get the kid an LT jersey and call it a day
That quote is exactly the way most of BBI  
vibe4giants : 7/16/2013 7:45 pm : link
wanted him to feel about the negotiation. Over and over again we read how he shouldn't be a greedy idiot. How he should appreciate the added value of playing in the New York market and staying near home.

Then the contract is announced and everyone lauds Reese for getting such a great deal for the Giants and keeping Cruz.

Then Cruz comes out and says a few things that give us some insight into the thought process most of us hoped he'd have, including the perspective most athletes have. I still think I should be making a little more money. and you're bothered because...

Yeah, please be specific with your problem here.
We have no ability to mock other fanbases and them being  
kickerpa16 : 7/16/2013 7:47 pm : link
whining pussies with the amount of stupid being floated around by Giants fans.
Yeah  
The Dude : 7/16/2013 7:48 pm : link
don't get a cruz jersey. That'll show em.
I'm begining to wonder about Cruz  
Ron from Ninerland : 7/16/2013 7:50 pm : link
I don't blame him for being a tough negotiator but now that the deal is done he should STFU and concentrate on football. To hear him bitching about a contract he just signed around the same time he pops off about Zimmerman makes me wonder about his maturity. I've always had a bad feeling about the way he likes the limelight, his salsa bullshit and his big head. He's a very good receiver. He's not a top receiver, He's not even the top receiver on this team. Nicks is.

I hope he learns to cool it and concentrate on football. I don't want to see him become another early flameout case the way Jeremy Shockey was.
he took less $ because the Giants held all of the leverage  
GiantsLaw : 7/16/2013 7:54 pm : link
I will never fault any player for getting the most $ he can. Even if it means holding out.
Ron  
GMenLTS : 7/16/2013 7:55 pm : link
1. Define 'bitching'

2. Explain how those comments are 'bitching'
Lol  
djm : 7/16/2013 7:55 pm : link
U guys are never satisfied. I guess you'd be happy if Cruz lied and blew smoke up everyone's asses?

What a world. Lip service really does go a long way these days. Speak the truth at your own risk.
Ron in Ninerland  
G2 : 7/16/2013 7:55 pm : link
Amen!

You're not the only one questioning this kids maturity.
How does saying this, or tweeting, mean, in any way, shape, or form,  
kickerpa16 : 7/16/2013 7:56 pm : link
that he's not concentrating on football?

From all accounts, when he wasn't signed he worked out quite hard to stay in shape and stay sharp. Seems to be like he's quite able to multi-task.

Let's think about it. Football players at this level are the cream of the crop. Typically which also means that they have healthy egos (they should; I don't know many people who wouldn't be supremely confident about themselves when they are one of the best in the world at a particular sport). And that ego has usually helped them develop the drive to succeed at this level.

It's amazing that we, as fans, feel entitled as to how players should go about what they do. We have no problems bitching and moaning about our jobs constantly, griping about pay (and other related problems), and yet the athletes should concentrate more? Methinks that most of them do, including Cruz.

And methinks it's a bit of irony (in general, not one specific person) that people always complain about lack of concentration when posting on a message board during working hours...
G2  
kickerpa16 : 7/16/2013 7:57 pm : link
continues with his spectacular run of form!
I, too, hate these young, arrogant, greedy, selfish, uppity...  
Kyle : 7/16/2013 8:00 pm : link
erm...athletes.
right because  
G2 : 7/16/2013 8:00 pm : link
Cruz has displayed maturity? Having a kid out of wedlock...is that mature, too?

Just curious.
Screw Cruz and his jersey.  
MOOPS : 7/16/2013 8:01 pm : link
Go with a Tommer.
Heavens forbid, for  
Gmen703 : 7/16/2013 8:01 pm : link
An athlete to speak his mind. As long as he's catching first down passes with an NY on the helmet, I could really care less. Fans just can't be pleased.
bahaha  
GMenLTS : 7/16/2013 8:02 pm : link
bring those LULZ with force, G2.

I'll refrain from calling people stupid in the spirit of the new BBI but I do feel obligated to point out that some opinions are really, really, really fucking stupid.
Someone call the Jets  
jcn56 : 7/16/2013 8:03 pm : link
and tell them we've got a container full of fans they can have, no cost to them.
G2  
kickerpa16 : 7/16/2013 8:04 pm : link
What's that saying about not throwing something in a glass house?

My guess is that you did singular things that didn't display high maturity at that point, but that singular events don't define a person in the aggregate.

But I'm not sure you knew that...
Man, you guys are far more polite than I am  
Kyle : 7/16/2013 8:05 pm : link
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says the fence sitter who hasn't had an original thought  
G2 : 7/16/2013 8:05 pm : link
ever on this website
G2  
kickerpa16 : 7/16/2013 8:06 pm : link
That to me?
Cruz is just playing  
PEEJ : 7/16/2013 8:06 pm : link
the "I gave the team a hometown discount" card. Fans should love him even more.
nice, a fence sitter reference, eh?  
GMenLTS : 7/16/2013 8:09 pm : link
that narrows down the list of possible former handles.

It's either barilko, dave in DC, or good 'ol southern cali Gene.

The latter would appear to be a winner.
no  
G2 : 7/16/2013 8:09 pm : link
.
you are close  
G2 : 7/16/2013 8:11 pm : link
but no cigar
It's not Barillko.  
Ash : 7/16/2013 8:12 pm : link
Barillko's a good dude who had a bad moment.
Cruz is right.  
Britt in VA : 7/16/2013 8:19 pm : link
And I appreciate him ultimately being reasonable and signing the deal the Giants put on the table other than holding out, creating a media shitstorm, or whatever else.

He didn't even miss any time.
And actually...  
Britt in VA : 7/16/2013 8:23 pm : link
what Cruz ultimately chose to do was a very, very mature decision, IMO.
...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 7/16/2013 8:24 pm : link
Did someone just go there with Cruz's maturity level & having a kid out of wedlock?
15 million guaranteed...  
Britt in VA : 7/16/2013 8:25 pm : link
is not in the ballpark as some of the salaries out there of top recievers.

Cruz is a unique case.

He has slot size and speed, but big time game breaking ability. He can take it to the house any time he touches it.

I think both sides came out nicely, but Cruz is certainly right that somebody would have WAY overpaid for his services, IMO.
And I think you can go ahead and buy that Cruz jersey...  
Britt in VA : 7/16/2013 8:26 pm : link
I think he's going to be around for awhile.
Playing this season on a one year tender...  
Torrag : 7/16/2013 8:26 pm : link
would have put his so called 'huge payday' at considerable risk. If injured he could have lost it all. So Victor doesn't reference that in his statements...but he should have. Part of the value in his deal with the Giants is removal of that risk. Factor in his marketability in NY...certainly greater than in any other city he could have gone to....and VC has nothing to worry about. He made the smart business decision...just ask Steve Smith.
Cruz was in a shitty situation,  
Enoch : 7/16/2013 8:28 pm : link
contract-leverage-wise, and the Giants played hardball. No question he'd have gotten more if he hit the open market. But the rules are stacked against players like him, so he didn't.

He made the best he could out of it, and now he's putting on a happy face.
Cruz may have taken less money  
Spark Em Up 22 : 7/16/2013 8:31 pm : link
but he and many other pros come across as not appreciating the riches they have. This kid JUST signed on for a life of the rich and famous (fully knowing he could be physically hurt or even killed on the job) but instead of saying how incredibly lucky he is he says it's "tough" because he could have gotten more. He's not a bad person by any means, but his words lately kind of dampen the image I had of him.
Cruz definitely could have gotten more  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/16/2013 8:32 pm : link
money out on the open market. I'm very thankful he took alittle bit less and stayed.
above post cont'd..  
Dave in Hoboken : 7/16/2013 8:33 pm : link
Cruz leaving would have been a real ball-breaker to the offense. Would have really, really sucked.
He knew this was the best of all scenarios.  
mattlawson : 7/16/2013 8:33 pm : link
The market loves him, he's a NY guy. He is not a first round pick and he's got a conscience. It takes more than 1 player to win.
He's being honest.  
mattlawson : 7/16/2013 8:35 pm : link
I can appreciate that. Not holding anything against him
Kyle's 8:00 made me lol.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/16/2013 8:46 pm : link
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It's less about the amount he was paid  
Overseer : 7/16/2013 8:51 pm : link
than that he got paid now, before a contract year where any number of career ending injuries can (and often do) occur. Like for another talented former Giants receiver who played his cards poorly.

Good on him for trying to negotiate as much as possible for his considerable worth, but the Giants were in the driver's seat from the beginning and he and his agent no doubt understood that while they were feigning "holding out."
its a win win for everyone  
spike : 7/16/2013 8:52 pm : link
Money isn't the solution to everything in life.
Without reading the entire thread, you want to teach your son  
BigBlueBuff : 7/16/2013 8:56 pm : link
a lesson by not getting him a jersey for a guy who took a hometown discount because he felt loyalty to the team and the region and was honest enough to admit it to the world?

Okay, knock yourself out.
Is Victor more or less mature than those broads sitting on juries?  
vibe4giants : 7/16/2013 9:06 pm : link
Next, is Victor more or less mature than the guy who still talks about woman like it's 1954?
I see what you did there  
Wuphat : 7/16/2013 9:07 pm : link
...
Hey, I saw you at the earlier show.  
vibe4giants : 7/16/2013 9:12 pm : link
#callback #g2gold
Militarygman  
MadPlaid : 7/16/2013 9:15 pm : link
Why haven't you posted again on your thread? You said something loaded and then when people questioned you on it, you disappear. Not cool.

I hate it when someone starts a thread and then doesn't participate in it. To me, that is a cowardly act.
It's pretty amazing  
an_idol_mind : 7/16/2013 9:15 pm : link
how much hate there seems to be for Cruz. He handled this whole contract thing perfectly.

He never complained to the media, even when the owners were making statements to the press. He showed up to Eli's passing camp down south to get some work in despite not being under contract. He eventually signed for less than he could have gotten on the open market and now admits that he gave a hometown discount.

I really don't understand why people bashed Cruz throughout this thing and continue to do so. He is a rare example of a high profile athlete handling a contract situation maturely. It's even more mind-boggling that a lot of the same guys who crucify Cruz over this give a pass to guys like LT, Strahan, and Armstead who used to hold out all the time.

Honestly, sometimes I don't think that Giants fans deserve this team.
Hah  
TD : 7/16/2013 9:30 pm : link
Cruz has been and will go down as one of the all-time great Giants - and a solid Giant citizen and popular TV personality as well. I don't get the hate/disdain for the guy from the vocal few out there.
playing in NY for Victor Cruz  
stockton : 7/16/2013 9:33 pm : link
is probably worth an extra 1-4 million/year over a place like tennessee.
LOL  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/16/2013 10:08 pm : link
Quote:
Someone call the Jets
jcn56 : 8:03 pm
and tell them we've got a container full of fans they can have, no cost to them.


Seriously.
So  
NJGiantFan84 : 7/16/2013 10:11 pm : link
Much spite around here for a great kid who made a mistake. I guess everyone around here is perfect, or they sure think they are. Refusing to buy a jersey for someone out of spite over a contract negotiation is not a great lesson for your kid
You'll hate that David Wilson jersey  
David in LA : 7/16/2013 10:14 pm : link
when it's time for him to negotiate his next contract.
To me  
KsToNe498 : 7/16/2013 10:21 pm : link
he said nothing wrong and he handled his contract situation better then most. He is a Giant and a damn good one, get off his freaking back.
I like Cruz  
G2 : 7/16/2013 10:33 pm : link
And I'm stoked he's going to be in Blue for a while. I just think he's made some questionable comments and needs to learn some humility from Eli.

No big deal.
I really wish someone had a link to the audio of the  
BSIMatt : 7/16/2013 10:34 pm : link
interview. I listened to the interview and they were really baiting/pushing Cruz to say something like this. The quote should be placed into the context of the entire interview. He kept saying he was happy with the contract and lucky to be in NY, etc and then Ross Tucker kept telling him that he thought he was a better football player than Mike Wallace and how could it not bother him that Wallace essentially received twice the contract when he may not even be a better football player. That wasn't all, Bob Papa came back to the same exact point and brought up other players, asking Cruz if he thought he was just as good players. These guys basically went after him for a quote just like this, and now you have sites like this serving up the quote without the context of the interview. I mean, Ross Tucker was basically prodding him to say something, if you heard the line of questioning I don't think you'd have a problem at all with this quote. Cruz handled himself very well in the interview.
Eli "I took the Giants to the cleaners last time" Manning  
Kyle : 7/16/2013 10:35 pm : link
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you want this guy to teach him about making good choices?  
lalalalala : 7/16/2013 10:37 pm : link
You really  
G2 : 7/16/2013 10:40 pm : link
Feel that way Kyle?
Did Cruz give birth yet?  
Larry in Pencilvania : 7/16/2013 10:50 pm : link
Being a single mom and all having no morals
Do agents advise their clients to play out these RFA years...  
raever : 7/16/2013 11:16 pm : link
...to go for the big contract score? Seems to be an inherent conflict of interest there. For every Mike Wallace that seems torn direct from the script of Jerry Maguire there is a Steve Smith who will look back at the contract he eschewed with lifelong regret.

Forget the what ifs Victor. You weren't an unrestricted free agent. You protected yourself and your family from the ever present NFL spectre of injury. You will be a wealthy man for the rest of your life.

It was the smart business decision. The right decision. Make your peace with it and stop the hand wringing and sound bytes. They only serve to annoy the fans and cloud your focus.

raever  
Sonic Youth : 7/16/2013 11:19 pm : link
Can you show me any hand wringing or sound bytes?

Some of you people need your head examines.
I really can't believe  
gmen9892 : 7/16/2013 11:22 pm : link
This thread is actually this long. We got everything we could possibly ask for in Cruz. Hometown guy that took a discount to stay with the organization that found him and stayed local where he grew up. He has shown nothing but class from Day 1 (recent tweet aside)and has been a model citizen.

Some of you would be so lucky to have a kid turn out the way Victor Cruz has. If you want to be thick-headed and hold that quote over VC's head after he did literally everything right during the toughest offseason of his career, than so be it. The guy got less than he thought he was worth and this is the worst thing he's said? Grow up guys.
How about if he just shot himself in the leg  
Larry in Pencilvania : 7/17/2013 12:58 am : link
would that make all of you happy?
Giants made out big time with this deal  
AcesUp : 7/17/2013 1:37 am : link
And I hope most die yards are smart enough to recognize that fact. Look at what Wallace and Harvin got and tell me otherwise. Immature? A guy that actually looks at he big picture and doesn't give in to the money grab? He's showing a wealth of maturity in his decision making, more than most would actually. I'm sure a lot of guys here would take a 15-20% pay raise to uproot, and that's without public salary figures where ego has a bigger influence.

I guess his honesty and transparency is what you have an issue with, so you would prefer cliches and platitudes? I actually respect him more for being open with these comments, he's showing more respect for the fans with his transparency here.
The average pro athlete has the IQ of a box of crayons.  
jc in c-ville : 7/17/2013 2:12 am : link
They are superior athletes.

They collectively continue to make stupid decisions.

Fortunately for me, I feel no need to pay $50 for parking, etc., to feed these dipshits. Victor, you are proving to be going down that road of major dipshit.

Catch your passes, do your dance and help the team win another SB.

Tell you what, I believe the NFL better be very careful, as HDTV has more than replaced the price, and moral/ inconvenience of supporting these fuck-tards.

Victor, I suggest for your sake, have a productive year.



you realize  
lalalalala : 7/17/2013 2:26 am : link

that by getting an HDTV and watching the NFL Network or Redzone or Sunday Ticket or a Giants game or any other game, that you're still supporting them, right? their TV revenue is huge and dwarfs the gate yearly.

OMG  
Rob_MTL : 7/17/2013 5:09 am : link
I miss the old days.

Eric you ruined this place.
here is the interview  
NYBEN : 7/17/2013 6:10 am : link
hope link works
Cruz sirius interview - ( New Window )
giant's didn't sign him  
newmike2 : 7/17/2013 7:26 am : link
because of his brilliance in matters of economics or social commentary. He was hired to catch a ball thrown to him. Eli likes him and they work well together which makes him more valuable than a rookie in the eyes of Reese and the owners.
He helps the team win and unless he violates some sort of team rule, league rule or shoots himself in the leg, I really don't care.

If I concerned myself with how athletes thought on issues of the day and if we knew how most of them were outside of the limelight, I don't think we would watch any sport.

A little advice to those that become emotionally invested in a player, they come and go like people on the sidewalk. It's easier to just cheer for the laundry.
for crying out loud...  
newmike2 : 7/17/2013 7:27 am : link
the "Giants didn't sign him"... excuse my lapse.
IMO Cruz is a great slot receiver  
Militarygman : 7/17/2013 7:44 am : link
IMO Cruz is a great slot receiver and the highest paid slot receiver. Steve Smith had great success as a Giant slot receiver so there may be a common denominator (ELI). Hey I am glad the Giants held firm they held all the leverage they could have franchised him next year if he had another great year. I think Cruz is better when Nicks is on the outside and if they paid Cruz outside receiver money what does Nicks ask for next year? He signed a contract after holding out (his right), but it is over now stop saying how you took less money. Just like in the military you are a volunteer and when you reenlist no wants to hear how you could have made more somewhere else.
...  
kickerpa16 : 7/17/2013 8:03 am : link
Horrific analogy.

And some seriously bad posts here.

I dont even understand why this is even a topic  
Blue Blood : 7/17/2013 8:07 am : link
seriously..
Uppity athletes that post things on twitter  
Cam in MO : 7/17/2013 8:07 am : link
that relate to a verdict that had nothing to do with a problem that we don't have in this country anymore should just shut the fuck up about everything.




I think I got it right.


I clicked a Corner Forum link  
Exit 172 : 7/17/2013 8:08 am : link
and ended up at the Giants.com message board.
He makes a point  
snumber6 : 7/17/2013 8:43 am : link
but should have phrased it differently ...
Like - Signing with the Giants has a lot more to offer than going elsewhere being near my home town, my friends and family ... Being with a top flight organization ... Things money can't buy ... Others top WRs who I feel I'm every bit as good as if not better than may be paid more and although extra money is one way that is shown, I'm happy with my deal that keeps me here for most if not all the rest of my career ...
The irony  
an_idol_mind : 7/17/2013 8:48 am : link
of anybody on this board ripping into players who say something stupid is amazing.
I agree with Cruz 100% on the contract  
mrvax : 7/17/2013 8:50 am : link
Could he have worded this different? Sure. But then a different group of winey babies would cry about that too.

I'll probably have to order a Cruz jersey now to make up for the folks that are pissed off at him.
Seriously!  
Greg from LI : 7/17/2013 8:50 am : link
I mean, with all the money these greedy athletes want, you'd think that people were paying all this money just to see THEM! How arrogant can they be? Me, I'd feel a lot better if it all stayed in John Mara and Steve Tisch's bank accounts where it belongs!
Wait, so let me get this straight.  
Curtis in VA : 7/17/2013 8:51 am : link
All through the process we're sitting here on our internetz talking about how Cruz should take less money to stay here because he can more than make up for it by marketing himself in NY.

So now that he's actually done that and talked about it...we hate him now???


This is such a train wreck  
Randy in CT : 7/17/2013 8:53 am : link
starting with the stupidest opening post ever. Militarygman, you need to work on your posts to see if you can elevate from suck.
Someone with 'military' in their handle typed  
vibe4giants : 7/17/2013 8:54 am : link
this ?

Quote:
Just like in the military you are a volunteer and when you reenlist no wants to hear how you could have made more somewhere else.


The list of reasons...I mean, you can't believe...

...really???
Sounds like the Giants may have to have a Cruz jersey return day.  
GmanND : 7/17/2013 9:14 am : link
If their smart they'll let some of you guys return any Giants jersey and pick up your new Jets gear.
Well put Randy  
Andy in Halifax : 7/17/2013 9:23 am : link
Quote:
This is such a train wreck
Randy in CT : 8:53 am
starting with the stupidest opening post ever
Just catch passes and score TD's Cruz  
Jints in Carolina : 7/17/2013 9:32 am : link
and all will be ok.
He said nothing wrong  
sameolgee-MEN : 7/17/2013 9:47 am : link
in this article. I completely agree with him 100%.
I'm happy to have Cruz on the Giants  
RB^2 : 7/17/2013 10:16 am : link
I did not like the tweet at all. Cruz is a public figure who has the potential to incite an incident with a comment like that but it's a mistake he appears to have corrected.

I didn't know he had a kid out of wedlock. I don't really care one way or the other but it does mystify me how people just let that happen.
Cruz is a TO waiting to happen....  
dguy901 : 7/17/2013 11:37 am : link
Cruz is a slot receiver, not a #1 WR. He has held up well to this point but, he is due for a drop in production and injury.
Oh, let's not acknowledge his becoming more verbally flippant either.
so many stupid posts  
Dave in MD : 7/17/2013 11:39 am : link
so little time.
really? exactly which team would have given up a #1?  
Victor in CT : 7/17/2013 11:47 am : link
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' a T.O. waiting to happen'  
vibe4giants : 7/17/2013 11:59 am : link
This thread, somehow, keeps hitting new lows.
Holy shit  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/17/2013 12:00 pm : link
Is this thread full of troll accounts invading from theganggreen.com?

This is worse than a game thread.
Who cares about having a baby out of wedlock?  
David in LA : 7/17/2013 12:01 pm : link
he's still with the mother and has been before he was a Giant. This isn't Shawn Kemp.
Welcome to the new and improved BBI!  
Britt in VA : 7/17/2013 12:02 pm : link
Where all opinions and thoughts are equal and accepted!
Britt, only except when topics are deemed controversial  
David in LA : 7/17/2013 12:04 pm : link
entire threads get deleted on the account of a stupid post here and there. It's selectively over policed over here, while dumb shits get carte blanche to post whatever they want.
Cruz did take less money to stay  
JonC : 7/17/2013 12:04 pm : link
Giants had the leverage, he wanted to stay so he compromised.

Percentages would've been in his favor to land a contract similar to Harvin, had he been a UFA.

I get the calls for maturity etc but the fact is pro athletes live in a different world than average joe. Their perspective and comments tend to reflect that. It's a waste of time complaining about it.
These contracts are also not about the "money"  
Ash : 7/17/2013 12:09 pm : link
per se. What I mean is that most of these players probably understand that getting paid 40 million over five years versus being paid 50 million over 5 years isn't going to make an appreciable difference in quality of life (save the Latrell Sprewell exceptions). How much they're paid is often a proxy for how much respect they feel they deserve; that's why it's telling that Cruz mentions other players who he thinks he's just as good as if not better than being paid more than him as a relevant factor. Insofar as he's concerned, it's an issue of fairness. Why should he be paid less for work that's just as good as others' work?

There are obviously numerous ways of responding to him that involve invoking things like leverage, supply and demand, alternate forms of renumeration, and even the base fact that ultimately they're still being paid exceptionally well. But I think framing the issue in the terms present above is a helpful way of thinking about it.
What leads you believe that he's due for a drop in production  
Sonic Youth : 7/17/2013 12:09 pm : link
or an injury? The fact he sent out a tweet that hurt your pwecious fweelings? Seriously, please, back it up, I'm sure all of BBI would love to see it.
.  
Modus Operandi : 7/17/2013 12:22 pm : link
Cruz had better spend less fiddling the dames and more time focusing on football. Yessum.
BSIMatt  
santacruzom : 7/17/2013 1:02 pm : link
Exactly! I mean, I haven't heard the interview myself, but my imagination is decent enough to consider that these quotes were responses to a very specific question. Maybe even as specific as: "Is it kind of tough to know that your contract isn't quite the same as it would have been if you were a true free agent?"

People act like Cruz was overheard muttering these remarks while nursing a whiskey within the dark confines of a shoddy downtown bar, whilst some delta blues played faintly in the background.
and yeah  
santacruzom : 7/17/2013 1:05 pm : link
If Cruz had been taking negotiating lessons from Eli Manning, this negotiation would either still be in progress, or it would have resulted in a 60 million dollar contract.
Aces  
santacruzom : 7/17/2013 1:09 pm : link
Quote:
so you would prefer cliches and platitudes?


Yes, they'd certainly prefer clichés and platitudes.

Not to generalize too much, but something tells me that the sort of person who finds fault with Cruz merely based on these quotes presented in a vacuum is the exact sort of person who extrapolates a shitload of meaning out of clichés and platitudes, and probably brandishes some on his shirts, posters, or the bumper of his car.
Was Cruz  
BJ Slade : 7/17/2013 1:22 pm : link
wearing a Cowboys hat when he said this? Because that would just put me over the edge.
I can see why Cruz feels that way.  
ZogZerg : 7/17/2013 1:22 pm : link
But, to me, this was a FAIR deal for both sides.

Cruz is setting himself to be bashed by fans if he doesn't have a big year this year.
I'm starting to wonder  
santacruzom : 7/17/2013 1:49 pm : link
about the whole "playing in New York is worth an additional 1 million in marketing" thing. Wouldn't that advantage rely upon a fan base and populace that isn't so sensitive and fickle?
Guys Guys. BBI is just getting trolled today.  
Sly Guy : 7/17/2013 1:52 pm : link
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...I think...
Ungrateful  
ronzo : 7/17/2013 2:28 pm : link
A lot more than 6.00/hr you probably would be getting at Burger King if you didn't play football
seriously  
GMenLTS : 7/17/2013 2:48 pm : link
how did this thread manage to continuing breeding stupid post after stupid post?
LTS  
lalalalala : 7/17/2013 4:00 pm : link

because BBI has alot of stupid posters? and now they've been encouraged to be stupid?
So....  
Modus Operandi : 7/17/2013 4:05 pm : link
After earning a four year degree from UConn, his only options were playing football and/or flipping burgers at Burger King.

And what do you do for a living ronzo?
UConn?  
YAJ2112 : 7/17/2013 4:08 pm : link
?
This thread  
NYBEN : 7/17/2013 4:11 pm : link
really makes me miss the "Fire Gilbride" threads. Though we should get those by the end of the first quarter of the first preseason game.
Can we please be dicks to stupid posters again?  
David in LA : 7/17/2013 4:23 pm : link
.
Quote  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/17/2013 4:26 pm : link
Quote:
omeone call the Jets
jcn56 : 8:03 pm
and tell them we've got a container full of fans they can have, no cost to them.
sorry, brain fart  
Modus Operandi : 7/17/2013 4:27 pm : link
Obviously Umass
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