As we are a week away from players reporting, what are your thoughts on the Giants' rivals?
Jerry Jones says his team is better. RGIII is recovering quickly. The Eagles might be more dangerous than some think.
Washington will have a tougher schedule and teams will likely be able to defend them better this year. Eagles can be dangerous any given week but given so much change I doubt the contend for the division.
Dallas has built their team to compete against us and that is how I see it going down. Us versus them for the division.
with 6-9 wins. No doormats, no juggernauts
Giants, Redskins and Cowboys are all playoff contenders.
The Eagles are a mess. I don't care who they hired. The problem has a lot to do with roster and less about schemes.
biggest damnation of Fewell - in my mind - is how well the Skins' defense has performed under Haslett. On paper, I don't think you'd trade their defensive personnel for ours.
But our defense is dreadful.
... Step out of the room when our D takes the field?
he had at Tampa Bay, then the Cowboys are the team to look out for.
did not address their lack of size on the interior of the DL during the off season. Ratliffe is good but getting up there
Sean Lee is one of my favorites but he will suffer from the DL getting overwhelmed.
Cowboy back seven will keep them competitive
Cowboy OL doesn't seem any better although I think Frederick will ultimately help by anchoring the interior. But initially the interior OL may be a mess. That will certainly impact their run game forcing Romo to throw more often.
Will that be a blessing or a disguise?
Eagles will need a year to sort out the qb and offensive system changes
Skins will come down to earth a bit but still tough as RGIII converts to pure drop back passer when able
Jints just need to take care of business and get that ORT settled asap
All three of our rivals had injuries to key players they will be getting back.
The questions are mainly around the coaching changes in Philly and Dallas. In Washington there are questions about RG3 and not just his health. He is a talented kid coming in with a system that worked great. But like we saw in Cam Newton the year before or systems like the Wildcat that was all the craze when Miami popularized a few years ago, success one season does not guarantee to repeat. RG3 will improve but as defenses get smarter about him and the system in Washington, things could get tougher on him in year two.
We keep bashing our defense, but our rivals were just as bad.
Our defense surrendered the 12th most points. Washington was 22, Dallas 24, and Philly 29. We were 2nd in the NFC with 35 takeaways. Washington was decent with 31 (tied for 4th), but Dallas and Philly were last in the Conference with 16 and 13 respectively.
Despite the mess they ran into this offseason with a string of arrests, I think the Eagles have the pieces in place to be our closest competition in the division. Dallas just seems to be a mess in general with Jerry Jones pushing these new coordinators on Jason Garrett's desk. I can't imagine how that will equate to success, it's way too dysfunctional over there. We'll see where Washington is at in regards to RG3, I'm skeptical he's on the timetable they're saying. It seems more like a way to fleece fans into buying tickets.
To get him back at way less than 100%) would explain why they were as inconsistent as they were against shittier defense.
I generally think that Dallas is the biggest threat. They should have a dangerous offense, and while they have question marks at defensive tackle(unless Ratliff is healthy)I don't think they'll have too much trouble adjusting to Monte Kiffin's defense, with the speed they have.
Washington, between RG3 coming back from knee surgery, and Washington having a much tougher schedule, I can't see them having a repeat of the success they had last season.
I think the Giants, Redskins, and Cowboys are closer than people think. Win your divisional games, you'll win your division. It's been said but we have to take care of business in the division. I think the Giants have a good schedule (I stare at it everyday at work), getting the Eagles twice in the first 8 games, playing both west coast teams at 1pm (this could change) - but we have to finish 4-2 or better in the division. Stop playing the "if" game in December.
their pass protection was atrocious last year. Everyone Andy Reid put back there was running for their life.
The do have talent and remains to be seen how they will respond with the coaching change.
but as a Giants fan, I've been conditioned to always expect the Eagles to be a pain in the ass. It felt good to give them a proper beat down last year and to send fat boy out the right way.
Eagles . . . You would have to assume a 5-6 win season with all the changes going on and lack or personnel.
Dallas . . . Will be 8-10 wins and likely our biggest rival for the division title in my mind. They have talent spread around the roster and Romo is a very good QB.
Washington . . . I think this team takes a step back on offense. They are still taking a salary cap hit and I can't imagine they will unleash RGIII much this year making them much easier to defend. 8-8
Giants . . . If the defense is better then I think they easily win the division.
And we ultimately win it either via tie breaker or by a game. I still think we're the best team top to bottom in the division with by far, the best coach.
We just have to get at least f'in mediocre on defense. Not asking for good. Just ok will suffice Perry.
really bad on defense this year. switching to a 3-4, lots of turnover on their roster. easily .500 at best with a bad D, if their offense sets the league on fire. I know they still have graham and cole though, but they're going to be OLBs
don't know what to make of the redskins. I fear dallas. I just feel at times that they're due, they're just due for success.
for the giants. he really redeemed himself in 2012 after giving up literally 1,000 yards of offense in two games vs giants in 2011.
from my understanding kiffins scheme is kinda like what they run in Chicago. they don't mix it up much or play very exotic at all, just sit in the same tampa 2 shell with some occasional 3 deep stuff or blitzing on a 3rd down. its a simple "you know what we're going to do but beat us" scheme. I think the giants can have success against a scheme like that
but dallas is freaking stacked. great linebackers, deep defensive line, talented young DBs. an offense with a high ceiling and you easily get a super bowl contender. I really fear them, and its just matter of time before they get their shit together on defense and tunring the ball over. they had loads of injuries last year
are picking only two teams, Cowboys, as always, but surprise, surprise, two are picking Giants. Eagles get a little respect, but there seems a consensus that Skins will fade this year.
in turnovers. I think division comes down to NYG and Dallas especially if the Cowboys buy a RT before the season starts. Free and Parnell are horrible at RT. Frederick replacing Costa et al at C will be interesting but I don't expect any significant improvement.I think the Dallas DL will do fine...for about 10 games. If they get beat up then teams will run on them like the 2012 NYG defense.
I don't think the NYG defense can get worse but I don't see any cause to believe it will be better. A healthy Nicks & Baas and Pugh at RT might get NYG to 11 wins.
You're watching way too much ESPN
and more unpredictable than the rest of the NFL. All four teams will beat top-ranked teams and lose to weak ones. G-men 9-7, Cowboys and Skins 8-8, Eagles 7-9 - but the Eagles will split with every other team in the East.
for some reason they have our number lately, and make us look mighty poor on offense. Hopefully we get that figured out.
I think the Eagles are going to be tough to gauge with the new coach. I bet they will win games that nobody thinks they should win, and will lose some head scratchers. I see high scoring affairs. Overall, I think they will be a very exciting, explosive, insanely inconsistent team. Hopefully we don't catch them at the wrong time. I expect streakiness and sub 500.
It's tough to see Dallas moving past 9-7, considering recent history, but I think the pressure is on Romo to perform under that contract. One would think Jerry would have waited for this season to dish the dollars out, but I think the contract is the ultimatum for him and Garrett. When veteran led teams are under pressure like this, they tend to perform. It's been our recipe. I expect Dallas to raise up.
To be frank, I think it's between the Skins and Dallas to see who can land at 10-6. Most of this I think will be up to RGIII's health. But I see two teams coming out of the east this year, Giants included.
I am very high on the Giants. This is the most confident I have felt in a few years. I think this could be a very special season our guys, things just feel ripe.
WAS: 10 - 6, D is better with Orakpo and other returning players
NYG: 9 - 7, D is an issue, O-line is an issue
DAL: 9 - 7, Under perform their "on paper talent" once again
PHI: 6 - 10, circus continues another season
is that Philly & Wash have been able to hold NYG in the teens way too much over the past few years even when they're not good. Sure, we put up a 42 in a meaningless game (for Philly, at least) but we're consistently underperforming against these guys and that's got to change.
Shit....Dallas won the battle vs. NYG last year, defense vs. offense.
not going to be so good on defense since they are switching to the 4-3, but Romo and the offense will keep them in games.
I'm not sold on RG3 coming back from that knee surgery until I see it. Yes it can be done.
Philly, is a wild card. They really could be fantastic because of an explosive offense, or they could really suck. Time will tell.
I actually think we have improved considerably on both sides of the ball, so I can definetly see us winning our division, but the wild card will be our Defense. I can see allot of shootouts in divisional games this year, except for against the skins.
its really those linebackers. sean lee and bruce carter. they can be studs in that scheme. if they're healthy
If they're looking for that quick explosive upfield penetrating DT, that is a concern with Ratliff and his injury issues. that team has a lot of talent defensively, I wouldn't overlook them.
the skins defense, what have they done to really improve their secondary? to me its dallas.
and the defense improves, I think they have the most realistic shot at a Division Title. If not, they'll be right where they were last year; in the middle of the pack and coming up behind Dallas IMO.
Have a real good team. Especially if RG3 stays healthy. They also have Erakpo coming back.
depends on injuries. Pads haven't been put on yet.
it comes down to quarterbacking and leadership. Giants have shed a few deadweights, they are younger, have more potential, and appear more motivated. With Eli as QB there is a real chance he will drag Coughlin and crew to their third SB. They are, in potential at least, clearly the class of the East. Or will it be, a limping RG3, a Mike Vick, or an overpaid Tony(Clutch)Romo. We have the potential, if the staff supports them and lets them prove themselves, instead of going on some sort of insane punitive binge if someone, (for instance) should happen to fumble a ball, or miss a block in game 1 or 2. Even Eli does throw the occasional interception. 11-5 or 12-4 are not out of the question.
They got lucky last year, and went on a streak. That's all. Let's see how they do with some film on the read-option.
is we are the known quantity and that makes us ahead of everyone else. We have stability and guys are healthy now. Eagles are in the middle of an era of change. Dallas changed systems which takes time to adjust especially if you're DC is 120 years old. And Bob is coming back from injury and the rdsskjns defense, like ours wasn't that good. Still better than our 31st overall but the QBs health is a question mark.
So its a no brainer that because of the stability and lack of major injuries that wed be the number 1 in our division.
Sure, we were ranked 31. The Redskins were ranked a mighty 28. The gave up 6 fewer yards per game than we did. They were ranked 22nd in points allowed to our 12th. They gave up 3 more points per game than we did. Would you really have us surrender 3 more points a game just so we could give up 6 fewer yards and raise out "Ranking" to 28? We would have to give up 4 turnovers as we had 35 takeaways (3rd) to their 31 (in a 3 way tie for 5th). We'd also have to give back as sack as we had one more of them too.
Washington will be the team to beat until the Pistol can be figured out....but road will be tougher now that they can not sneak up on anyone.
Philly is hard to figure out.....could really be a factor if OL comes together....and the new coaches deliver on the hype.
Dallas will be a disappointment. I see them getting worse not better....lost depth. I do not think Personal match up well for a 3-4.
I feel the Giants have the best personal...If corners play well. If OL gels...The Offense can be special...with a ton of firepower, but I question our defensive leadership
That's a fair look at it. However, with all that we were still ranked 31st. Sure they sucked too. Personally, this then becomes a debate on who sucks the most. LOL. Both were shit shows across the board with our total defense being 1 step from dead last. That's pretty god awful. They are too and mainly coasting on the Bob hype and winning the division. Say what you want about them, they managed to win their division deciding game. Even with a bad defense they won the division. That's how our division works. You never know what odd things can happen.
Dallas - loads of talent the will win between 8 and 10 games.
Philly - will start fast with their new O, but once teams adjust they will come back down. 7 wins.
Washington - they gained confidence last year with or without RGIII they are a 9 win team.
They were a solid team a year ago, but nothing special. The return of Orakpo doesn't make this into a great team. Their D was so bad, perhaps he can help make it respectable. On offense they majorly lack in talent at the skills positions. They will be in the mix.
Dallas is what they are every year and no reason to assume they will be any different. They will compete.
Philly could probably won't be the pushover some expect. Their offense has a lot of talent (Oline was the big weakness last year could be a strength now) but may be inconsistent due to the QB position. Their D was really bad, but remains to be seen what the new staff brings.
I think all four should be in the mix. The possible exception would be Philly pending on how things play out but even in that case should cause headaches in the division. And if they respond to the new coach, they may be very much in the mix.
If RGIII plays the way he did before he was hurt, the 'Skins could be dominant. Giants could be, too, and are just as Eli-dependent as Washington is on RGIII-- with more tools than the 'Skins have. So these two ought to fight it out for top spot, with the Giants winning out, absent disabling injuries to key players. Do we ever get through a season without one or two of those? Doing that would be a welcome change.
with the winner decided by health or lack off. I don't get the Skins love. They are the Parthers part duex. Cam is going to be unstoppable.... How'd that turn out. Everything had to break right for them last year and this year they have a first place schedule and won't be catching teams off guard. I can't decide who will finish last, Eagles or Skins but it should be close.
I know this is a Giants fan site, but I'm still constantly amazed just how biased the views of BBI fans are ... from reading this thread, one would think Washington was 0-16 last year - not the Division winning team that kicked the crap out of the Giants.
I live and breath the Giants - but they are going to find it very difficult to avoid last place in the division ... best thing going for the Giants is that they only have to play Andy Reid once this year.
Even more than most.
1. how is Bob and can he hold up?
2. will Kelly's offense really take off or will it have growing pains?
3. Can Romo hook up with Bryant as consistantly as Eli has done with various receivers?
I believe in today's NFL the QB/receiver combo is the primary key to victories. Defense sure is important but having the offense that gets it done can hide a poor D.
I think the Skins have 9 wins in them. I believe the Eagles will struggle a bit but still have 7 wins.
Dallas? Doesn't seem like much has changed outside of a new defense. I'd expect 6 wins from them unless Romo/Bryant are on the same page all the time (meaning deep ball).
Dallas will continue its decline. Jones, Garrett and Kiffin do not scare me. 8-8
Philly will improve over last year; how much remains to be seen. Harbaugh made a hugh difference in SF in one year; can Kelly do the same? I think they will be better; probably / hopefully not better than 7-9.
Wash is tough to gauge. RG3's health and durability are obviously keys. The whole league has had a year to review him on tape. I don't see them repeating last year's success. Maybe a wild card team.
The Giants will rebound; 11-5 and will win the division.
will win the division i cant see any of the other teams in the division getting that many.
eagles and cowboys 7-9/8-8 at best
the redskins need rg3 to make a petterson like recovery if they want a shot at 10 wins,i expect a sophmore slump from RG3 too that will cost them a couple of wins too think 9-7 at best there if rg3 goes down early watch the wheels come off them altogether
the giants should be 10-6 or 11-5 maybe even 12-4 but i think the lower the better the giants do better flying under the radar than when people expect them to win
out of the giants the skins lost game 1 to the giants and won the second game on fluke fumble recovery turned into a TD to win
please talk sense they played us hard because the defence was a mess that made RG3 look better than he was,we still havent seen how he recovered from that injury that was alot more serious than people gave credit for
I see the skins as a 7-9 win team.
The Cowboys 8-10 wins.
The Eagles will stink, 6-7 wins.
So basically, whoever stays healthy, gets it all together, can win and be a 3-4 seed with 9-10 wins total.
Unless somehow somebody puts it all together, but I doubt it.
Giants biggest opponent will be their inept linebackers.