I had high hopes (lol) for Hill this year. I'm not confident in Steve Brown at all. I think he makes irresponsible decisions in pass coverage and resulted in Webster looking worse than he was. I think Hill has an incredibly high ceiling if he ever gets his head on straight.
Oh, and how the fuck a baby fracture its arm. #sour
It's not like it's uncommon for professional athletes to smoke weed. He's just dumb as shit for getting caught. Real boneheaded move by him. Safety is our weakest position and for the taking and he blew his chance.
I generally don't care whether or not guys smoke or not.. because I don't think it's a huge deal.. but when you're Will Hill and you KNOW that you've been given a golden opportunity like this, you just can't take the risk. He knows he's under a little more of a microscope and has less leeway than other guys. It was dumb to even put himself in this position.
Its impossible to get caught if you don't smoke it. A guy like this, with his background, should know that he has to stay away from this kind of stuff. Unless he wants to go back to being on the outside looking in.
Taylor looks like the better player. All the talent in the world is useless if it just amounts to wasted talent. Right now Will Hill is just wasted talent. He most likely will get a chance to change that, hope he takes full advantage before the oppurtunity fades away.
Two, he very well could get cut. Bradshaw was on a very short leash when he was here and he was a draft pick. Hill was probably read the riot act just like Bradshaw was as well as other players. We, as fans, don't know much.
With all of that said, I would guess he isn't cut for this simple reason; Teams almost always know about these suspensions before they are made public. A lot of times a player will be released and the fans are up in arms at first then the report comes out a day or so later making it clear why that happened. If he wasn't released yet then that might be good news for Hill but it is all an assumption.
The act of smoking weed wasn't stupid, it's him doing it when he's on thin ice and getting caught. Some posts were inferring that since he's smoking weed he's back to being the old Will Hill which is a complete assumption. He can easily still have a good head on his shoulders and be productive while smoking weed, it's just that he's dumb as shit for getting caught and now suspended for the 2nd time.
to describe but Hill just move around the field in a way that seperates him from others as you watch. Often this an attribute verygood/great players have. Just my opinion.
Did he do it once and get caught, or did he do it more than
IMO, surveillance and testing is not going to catch a guy every single time. IMO, if they caught him twice in two years he has been doing it (and I'm not sure what) multiple times.
You realize everything on planet earth can be addicting, right? Just some things have addictive properties in it (cigarettes). Or you can just opt to babble on about how drugs are bad ...mkay.
smoking pot because lots of people do it even though its illegal and you were suspended last year. Really?
He didn't get drafted because he was a major fuck up. He barely got a sniff in FA because was a fuck up. You get a shot and get suspended for 4 games for Adderall supposedly. You get a chance to play and the Giants are in transition at the S spot and now he gets suspended again.
This kid is not someone whom an organization can trust and his decision making for the last six years can only kindly be called stupid.
I thought this team had some integrity standards. They gave Hill a chance as a UFA, and all he's done for the past two seasons is prove them wrong. Don't give a crap how well he plays when he's not serving drug suspensions.
Since it's for non performance enhancing substance.Pot is the drug of choice for many young athletes.The NBA does not test it's players for marijuana btw.
stop wasting our efforts with this guy and move on. You cannot depend on second chance guys who keep returning to the same BS. We took a gamble and lost. Case closed. IMO
That means he doesn't count against the 53 man roster, so they will have until week five to decide if it's worth it to keep him. Meanwhile, injuries in weeks 1-4 could make his addition necessary.
As for character concerns, I'll leave it to the coaches and management to decide if his transgression was a red flag that he just doesn't get it or rather just a temporary setback.
He has contributed nothing to the team, sure, he showed some promise, but who cares, its not like he has been some sensation out there. Giants need to stick by their guns on this or it sets a bad precedent. They said he was on a short leash, well not prove mean what
I don't think we need to cut him now. I don't think he takes up a roster spot. Wait until the suspension ends and if we don't need him, cut him then. We have an overload at safety. Mundy, Taylor, Sash, Rolle, Brown. Someone had to go. I had high hopes for Sash (of course he has one of these under his belt too), so I guess barring injury, he stays. I think without this, he was gone. I think the Giants knew this could/would happen pre-draft.
But it can be psychologically addicting. Anything can, (such as cheeseburgers mentioned above). The big difference for Will Hill is that weed can get him suspended, cheeseburgers, or other innocuous thing/habits, don't.
suspended for 4 games that is the issue. I don't care what it was, he shouldn't do something to lose 1/4 of the season. He is a relatively unproven player, who granted showed some promise, and had an opportunity to make something of himself this year. He royally screwed up. I would not be surprised if he gets cut.
posted last week that the silence on Will Hill from the Giants in the spring seemed a tad odd, and I wondered if there was something going on. I wonder if they knew about this for some time.
They've known about this. Hill was very good on special last year so maybe Mundy helps there, but the Steeleres tried their best to use Mundy on D last year with the injuries they had and He ended up benched.
they signed a veteran Safety AND drafted another Safety when they already had four Safeties on the roster, it could be that this potential problem was something that they had known about for some time.
It looks like he just got finished smoking when this photo was .
This is twice. That's 8 games...half a season...that he's missed through his own choices. IMO, that's an active decision and means that he doesn't give a crap. That said, I don't give a crap about him. Cut him, now.
I guess we'll see what the team thinks of his ability
That we would have cut him prior to this being announced by the team if we were going to - but I don't say that with any sort of confidence.
I suspect Hill was penciled in as KP's replacement and believe the team thought highly of his potential. And perhaps after what they viewed as suitable behavior last year, post-suspension, he has been granted a longer leash.
Brett...I bet you're on the money with that assessment...
Look this is a big problem because he does not seem to understand that he could be packing bags instead of playing in the NFL. We all have problems but I drink can't do weed and keep my job common sense just got hit last year and now again. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me!
as others have said, the problem is he had huge red flags to begin with and the hope was he saw the light and was starting to turn it around with his personal life (his football ability was never really in question).
he was on a short leash and I would not be totally surprised if he is cut. there is adequate depth with taylor and mundy behind rolle and brown.
this may also be why we didn't hear anything about him in team interviews
think if it's cocaine his chances of being cut increase dramatically, especially since safety is seemingly a position of strength. This is also his third strike, including his screw ups in college, which caused him not to be even drafted.
The harder call is if it's pot. At that point, I'd probably see if we need him after week four. But this is getting old.
I'm sure the Giants made it perfectly clear to Hill what his fate would be if he were to slip back into his old ways. Whatever the Giants are going to do with him was decided over a year ago. I would not be surprised if he is cut soon. The Giants just need to make sure they follow the proper protocol, which may take a few days.
Are you guys sure that this is Hill's second suspension?
I see it's been reported that way by a couple of news outlets - USA Today, LA Times - but I think they're mistaken. I think they're confusing Tyler Sash (Adderall suspension last year) with Will Hill.
New York Giants safety Will Hill received a four-game suspension in October for Adderall use, which violates the NFL's performance-enhancing substance policy. Hill this week warned that banning the substance -- which he began using last spring to treat ADHD -- will lead to problems.
this year's cap. I just got this from Jason Fitzgerald from overthecap.com via twitter:
Hill makes $480,000 this year (his cap # and salary). He earns approximately $28,235 per week (this number multiplied by 17 weeks, which includes the bye week results in $480K). The Giants would recoup approximately $112,941 in cap space as a result of this suspension IF Hill makes the team in 2013.
I hate seeing a guy get rewarded for being an idiot.. but I like Hill's game a lot and I feel like he can really, really help this team. The safety position is absolutely crucial in Fewell's D. We need as much depth/talent as we can get there.
Not really, because he won't count against the 53 man roster for the first four weeks of the season, but the Giants will still keep 53 players on the roster (plus Will Hill) and all 53 will count against the cap.
I should have clarified further that another player's salary will take his place on the roster for the season even if Hill does make the team, and that player (let's say Sash for argument's sake) is cut after week 4 to make room for Hill on the 53-man roster again.
If a player is on the opening day roster than his salary is guaranteed for salary cap purposes for the season, which is why when teams want to sign a veteran at the end of the preseason, they sometimes wait until after week 1 of the regular season has concluded to sign that given player. This is because in such an instance, that player's contract is not guaranteed, and he only counts against the salary cap on a week by week basis instead of for the entirety of the season, even if he was cut at some point. I wonder if the Giants will go with only 52 players for week 1 for this reason if Hill makes the team?
I doubt he'll get cut. I'll be shocked if he does. We're thin at Safety and they aren't gonna risk giving up that kind of potential for something so minor. Hill is gonna get an earful though from the Giants.
players with less than a certain number years of service were not guaranteed the full year's salary just because they were on the opening day roster. Did that change with the latest contract? If not, you can replace Hill with a youngster (like a bubble player you want a couple more weeks evaluation on) for those four games without being on the hook for a full year's salary.
That said, I wonder what percentage of players don't get caught? There's gotta be a reason so many who are caught think they can get away with it.
I was thinking that this guy could be an impact player
I agree with the sentiment about knowing of the suspension. When is it likely that will hill was tested for this and when did the results come back? It wasn't yesterday.
Start of otas? Mandatory camp? End of season test? Anyway they knew about this.
I think the payments are spread out over 16 weeks, not 17, at least that's what i remember Joel saying. Also, I could be wrong here -- I'd check this with Joel or Jason -- but I believe that if a player has less than 4 years of accrued experience, his salary is not guaranteed to count against the Final 53 if he's on the roster week 1. That's why when you see tweaking going on, most times it's a younger player.
Is a player's salary guaranteed if he's on the 53-man roster on week 1 if he has less than 4 years of accrued experience?
I've got Sash in mind for this question (since he has 2 years of accrued experience--2011 & 2012--on his resume). Sash seems like the ideal roster place holder for Hill, assuming that Hill makes the team to start the regular season while serving his 4-game suspension to start the year.
It's very easy to figure out if Hill is cut salary cap wise. His $480 K salary will just not factor in. Gonna be very interesting to see what happens going forward.
Joel answered the question I posted in my 12:03 pm post
1) The only reason I wouldn't cut him now is because they don't have to and we don't know what the first 4 weeks will bring.
2) His saving grace may be that he is eligible to participate in camp and preseason games. He has another chance to prove himself. He may need to be lights out this summer to keep his job.
3) Why is the assumption that it was pot? It could be any number of drugs.
4) In my mind, it doesn't and shouldn't matter what drugs he was busted for. He was on thin ice with past problems and a previous suspension for PEDs. No matter what he used, it was an illegal drug. It was stupid to have used and it was a waste of a second chance.
5) It also doesn't matter to me how much talent he has at this point. Each suspension not only loses those 4 games, but the time it takes to bring him back up to speed again. In this case, he misses the first 4 games and then even if we need him he won't be ready for at least another couple of weeks and that is probably being generous. So, the reality is he is probably losing close to half this season.
Nope, he's right. When you are suspended, you cannot step foot on team property. You can't train there, you can't go too meetings, you can't go to the cafeteria or meet with the coaches. You are persona non grata as far as the NFL is concerned.
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Oh, and how the fuck a baby fracture its arm. #sour
KsToNe498 : 2:25 pm
Him
He probably smoked weed. It's not like he fucking executed someone because they were hanging with the wrong people.
so much for the great will hill, don't think hes going to have much of any role on defense this year at all, if he was going to anyway.
Stupidity.
He will fit in with Cinci
2 suspensions in the last 2 years. There was numerous stuff that was out about him before the draft which led to him being undrafted out of college.
How many more chances does he get?
Just 2 initial reactions
Mike fr Warwick : 7/19/2013 5:39 pm
not sold on Brown and think Hill may be in the doghouse
To my mind too much ability to not be mentioned by Merrit.
Hill is a very talented kid.. and he showed flashes of it on the NFL field last year. Taylor hasn't done anything yet.
Two, he very well could get cut. Bradshaw was on a very short leash when he was here and he was a draft pick. Hill was probably read the riot act just like Bradshaw was as well as other players. We, as fans, don't know much.
With all of that said, I would guess he isn't cut for this simple reason; Teams almost always know about these suspensions before they are made public. A lot of times a player will be released and the fans are up in arms at first then the report comes out a day or so later making it clear why that happened. If he wasn't released yet then that might be good news for Hill but it is all an assumption.
I'm all for legalization of weed, and think suspending a player for smoking weed it stupid.
This suspension isn't about weed, it's about a stupid kid who already has been trouble continuing to be stupid.
This is at least 3 strikes. He messed up an opportunity to be a high draft choice, and he had the suspension last year (supposedly for adderal).
IMO, surveillance and testing is not going to catch a guy every single time. IMO, if they caught him twice in two years he has been doing it (and I'm not sure what) multiple times.
He didn't get drafted because he was a major fuck up. He barely got a sniff in FA because was a fuck up. You get a shot and get suspended for 4 games for Adderall supposedly. You get a chance to play and the Giants are in transition at the S spot and now he gets suspended again.
This kid is not someone whom an organization can trust and his decision making for the last six years can only kindly be called stupid.
Lets recall his stupidity, shall we...
1.) Stupid enough to be in enough trouble to fall out of the draft
2.) Get a second chance and get suspended for adderall use.
3.) Get a third chance and get suspended for moking weed...this idiot will get suspended again, he just doesn't get it.
I'm not even one of these legalize weed preachers, but just some of the uneducated comments on here about weed is absurd.
As for character concerns, I'll leave it to the coaches and management to decide if his transgression was a red flag that he just doesn't get it or rather just a temporary setback.
Hopefully, he will learn to play more conservatively and in control.
I'm not comfortable with Mundy being the top backup.
Hill's the first repeat offender unless my memory is bad.
I suspect Hill was penciled in as KP's replacement and believe the team thought highly of his potential. And perhaps after what they viewed as suitable behavior last year, post-suspension, he has been granted a longer leash.
If he made a second, especially the same one? I'd want him cut as well.
as others have said, the problem is he had huge red flags to begin with and the hope was he saw the light and was starting to turn it around with his personal life (his football ability was never really in question).
he was on a short leash and I would not be totally surprised if he is cut. there is adequate depth with taylor and mundy behind rolle and brown.
this may also be why we didn't hear anything about him in team interviews
The harder call is if it's pot. At that point, I'd probably see if we need him after week four. But this is getting old.
Will Hill: NFL's ban of Adderall could cause problems - ( New Window )
Hill makes $480,000 this year (his cap # and salary). He earns approximately $28,235 per week (this number multiplied by 17 weeks, which includes the bye week results in $480K). The Giants would recoup approximately $112,941 in cap space as a result of this suspension IF Hill makes the team in 2013.
I hate seeing a guy get rewarded for being an idiot.. but I like Hill's game a lot and I feel like he can really, really help this team. The safety position is absolutely crucial in Fewell's D. We need as much depth/talent as we can get there.
If a player is on the opening day roster than his salary is guaranteed for salary cap purposes for the season, which is why when teams want to sign a veteran at the end of the preseason, they sometimes wait until after week 1 of the regular season has concluded to sign that given player. This is because in such an instance, that player's contract is not guaranteed, and he only counts against the salary cap on a week by week basis instead of for the entirety of the season, even if he was cut at some point. I wonder if the Giants will go with only 52 players for week 1 for this reason if Hill makes the team?
That said, I wonder what percentage of players don't get caught? There's gotta be a reason so many who are caught think they can get away with it.
Start of otas? Mandatory camp? End of season test? Anyway they knew about this.
Announced tests are easy to beat if you use only recreationally.
Just stop for a while.
I've got Sash in mind for this question (since he has 2 years of accrued experience--2011 & 2012--on his resume). Sash seems like the ideal roster place holder for Hill, assuming that Hill makes the team to start the regular season while serving his 4-game suspension to start the year.
2) His saving grace may be that he is eligible to participate in camp and preseason games. He has another chance to prove himself. He may need to be lights out this summer to keep his job.
3) Why is the assumption that it was pot? It could be any number of drugs.
4) In my mind, it doesn't and shouldn't matter what drugs he was busted for. He was on thin ice with past problems and a previous suspension for PEDs. No matter what he used, it was an illegal drug. It was stupid to have used and it was a waste of a second chance.
5) It also doesn't matter to me how much talent he has at this point. Each suspension not only loses those 4 games, but the time it takes to bring him back up to speed again. In this case, he misses the first 4 games and then even if we need him he won't be ready for at least another couple of weeks and that is probably being generous. So, the reality is he is probably losing close to half this season.
"getting him up to speed" shouldn't be an issue.