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Will Hill Suspended 4 Games

jintz4life : 7/20/2013 2:05 pm
Mike Garafolo & #8207;@MikeGarafolo 1m
Giants announce S Will Hill has been suspended four games.

Mike Garafolo & #8207;@MikeGarafolo 50s
Violation is of the substance abuse policy, not performance-enhancing. In other words, not Adderall.
lovely  
Jints in Carolina : 7/20/2013 2:07 pm : link
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That's awful to hear  
David in LA : 7/20/2013 2:07 pm : link
I thought he got past his substance abuse issues. Maybe this is why he's been a noticeable omission in the Dave Merritt interview.
Link  
Mad Mike : 7/20/2013 2:07 pm : link
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giants.com - ( New Window )
This blows.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/20/2013 2:08 pm : link
I had high hopes (lol) for Hill this year. I'm not confident in Steve Brown at all. I think he makes irresponsible decisions in pass coverage and resulted in Webster looking worse than he was. I think Hill has an incredibly high ceiling if he ever gets his head on straight.

Oh, and how the fuck a baby fracture its arm. #sour
disappointing  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 7/20/2013 2:08 pm : link
he is a talented young player who is a big hitter. He needs to grow the fuck up.
He showed a lot of promise  
Kyle in NY : 7/20/2013 2:10 pm : link
But he needs to get his act together. This is ridiculous and he'll only get so many chances.
Ugh had high hopes for him this year  
Sean in PA : 7/20/2013 2:10 pm : link
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2nd time he has been  
AnishPatel : 7/20/2013 2:11 pm : link
suspended! Oct last year he was and now this time. Stop getting suspended!
Mundy signing is that much more important now  
Jints in Carolina : 7/20/2013 2:11 pm : link
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Oops.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/20/2013 2:12 pm : link
Guess living clean wasn't suiting him very well.
Probably weed  
Buck Dharma : 7/20/2013 2:17 pm : link
He will now be subject to random testing by the league.
I thought second  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2013 2:19 pm : link
suspension was longer than 4 months. PED and non-PED different?
God football players are stupid  
Default : 7/20/2013 2:20 pm : link
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4 months  
pjcas18 : 7/20/2013 2:24 pm : link
should be 4 games
should cut  
KsToNe498 : 7/20/2013 2:25 pm : link
Him
What an idiot.  
MOOPS : 7/20/2013 2:28 pm : link
Million dollar talent, 10 cent brain.
stupid  
spike : 7/20/2013 2:30 pm : link
he's throwing it all away
Cooper Taylor...  
CarsHURT'86 : 7/20/2013 2:32 pm : link
just moved up the depth chart. Which excites me. Hill was a decent player but I am way more excited to see what Taylor can do.
All the talent to be a starting player  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/20/2013 2:34 pm : link
but looking like a guy who will never learn.
Really?  
Giantology : 7/20/2013 2:34 pm : link
Quote:
should cut
KsToNe498 : 2:25 pm
Him


He probably smoked weed. It's not like he fucking executed someone because they were hanging with the wrong people.
"Put a beggar on horseback, and he'll ride to Hell!"  
Blackbeard : 7/20/2013 2:39 pm : link
Why can't these idiots stand success?
good thing we got mundy  
Neverend : 7/20/2013 2:40 pm : link
and drafted a supposedly very bright kid too

so much for the great will hill, don't think hes going to have much of any role on defense this year at all, if he was going to anyway.
Ugh.. come on, Will.  
arcarsenal : 7/20/2013 2:41 pm : link
Just stupid. Safety is a position we really can't afford to be thin at.
If Hill  
Big Rick in FL : 7/20/2013 2:45 pm : link
was only a decent player then you shouldn't be excited about Taylor. He isn't half the player Hill is.
So much for turning his life around  
ZogZerg : 7/20/2013 2:47 pm : link
He just made it a whole lot harder on himself to make the team.
He's not stupid for smoking weed  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/20/2013 2:47 pm : link
It's not like it's uncommon for professional athletes to smoke weed. He's just dumb as shit for getting caught. Real boneheaded move by him. Safety is our weakest position and for the taking and he blew his chance.
...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 7/20/2013 2:47 pm : link
Wouldn't be @ all surprised if he's cut. He was on a very tight leash to begin with.

Stupidity.
trade him to the Bengals for a pic  
spike : 7/20/2013 2:51 pm : link
before he gets caught again.

He will fit in with Cinci
Actually he IS stupid for smoking weed.  
arcarsenal : 7/20/2013 2:53 pm : link
I generally don't care whether or not guys smoke or not.. because I don't think it's a huge deal.. but when you're Will Hill and you KNOW that you've been given a golden opportunity like this, you just can't take the risk. He knows he's under a little more of a microscope and has less leeway than other guys. It was dumb to even put himself in this position.
Yay!  
Exit 172 : 7/20/2013 2:53 pm : link
Our annual safety suspension!
Giantology  
KsToNe498 : 7/20/2013 2:54 pm : link
Yes really. When he got here Coughlin put him on a short leash. It's not hisbfirst problem with drugs and won't be his last
Does he get paid for the suspended games? How much does he lose?  
Marty in Albany : 7/20/2013 2:55 pm : link
When does he lose it?
He's not getting cut.  
Mike in Long Beach : 7/20/2013 2:55 pm : link
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He had a great opportunity  
Blue Blood : 7/20/2013 2:55 pm : link
and he is messing it up..
Damn it!!!  
MadPlaid : 7/20/2013 2:57 pm : link
I had high hopes for this guy this year. Stupid Stupid Stupid
Not stupid for smoking weed?  
Peter from CT : 7/20/2013 2:58 pm : link
Its impossible to get caught if you don't smoke it. A guy like this, with his background, should know that he has to stay away from this kind of stuff. Unless he wants to go back to being on the outside looking in.
Right now and for the first four games atleast  
wgenesis123 : 7/20/2013 2:59 pm : link
Taylor looks like the better player. All the talent in the world is useless if it just amounts to wasted talent. Right now Will Hill is just wasted talent. He most likely will get a chance to change that, hope he takes full advantage before the oppurtunity fades away.
Will Hill's "mistakes"  
BigBlueinChicago : 7/20/2013 3:01 pm : link
keep growing.

2 suspensions in the last 2 years. There was numerous stuff that was out about him before the draft which led to him being undrafted out of college.

How many more chances does he get?
Sort of called  
Mike fr Warwick : 7/20/2013 3:02 pm : link
this yesterday in the Merrit Interview thread.

Just 2 initial reactions
Mike fr Warwick : 7/19/2013 5:39 pm
not sold on Brown and think Hill may be in the doghouse

To my mind too much ability to not be mentioned by Merrit.
How do we know that Taylor "looks like the better player"..  
arcarsenal : 7/20/2013 3:03 pm : link
...if he hasn't even played in a preseason game let alone an NFL game yet?

Hill is a very talented kid.. and he showed flashes of it on the NFL field last year. Taylor hasn't done anything yet.
One  
robbieballs2003 : 7/20/2013 3:03 pm : link
We don't know if it was weed, yet.

Two, he very well could get cut. Bradshaw was on a very short leash when he was here and he was a draft pick. Hill was probably read the riot act just like Bradshaw was as well as other players. We, as fans, don't know much.

With all of that said, I would guess he isn't cut for this simple reason; Teams almost always know about these suspensions before they are made public. A lot of times a player will be released and the fans are up in arms at first then the report comes out a day or so later making it clear why that happened. If he wasn't released yet then that might be good news for Hill but it is all an assumption.
But remember  
HomerJones45 : 7/20/2013 3:04 pm : link
weed is not addicting. It's just a coincidence that some people can't seem to stay off it, even when hundreds of thousands of dollars are at stake.
Giantology  
GiantWarrior : 7/20/2013 3:05 pm : link
If my test at work came back positive I would be fired. What makes this situation any different. In the end, this game is a business.
My point was  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/20/2013 3:06 pm : link
The act of smoking weed wasn't stupid, it's him doing it when he's on thin ice and getting caught. Some posts were inferring that since he's smoking weed he's back to being the old Will Hill which is a complete assumption. He can easily still have a good head on his shoulders and be productive while smoking weed, it's just that he's dumb as shit for getting caught and now suspended for the 2nd time.
Really weed is addictive?  
Default : 7/20/2013 3:07 pm : link
This kid is just an idiot.

I'm all for legalization of weed, and think suspending a player for smoking weed it stupid.

This suspension isn't about weed, it's about a stupid kid who already has been trouble continuing to be stupid.
I had high expectations but  
3putt : 7/20/2013 3:09 pm : link
I would cut bait now.

This is at least 3 strikes. He messed up an opportunity to be a high draft choice, and he had the suspension last year (supposedly for adderal).

Moron  
chris r : 7/20/2013 3:09 pm : link
he was on a tight leash. Stay clean for a few years.
It's a hard thing  
Mike fr Warwick : 7/20/2013 3:10 pm : link
to describe but Hill just move around the field in a way that seperates him from others as you watch. Often this an attribute verygood/great players have. Just my opinion.
Did he do it once and get caught, or did he do it more than  
Marty in Albany : 7/20/2013 3:11 pm : link
once and this time he got caught?

IMO, surveillance and testing is not going to catch a guy every single time. IMO, if they caught him twice in two years he has been doing it (and I'm not sure what) multiple times.
IIRC, didn't Reese say that he would  
Bobby Epps : 7/20/2013 3:12 pm : link
cut Hill at the first sign of trouble?
HomerJones  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/20/2013 3:12 pm : link
You realize everything on planet earth can be addicting, right? Just some things have addictive properties in it (cigarettes). Or you can just opt to babble on about how drugs are bad ...mkay.
So he's not stupid for  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/20/2013 3:12 pm : link
smoking pot because lots of people do it even though its illegal and you were suspended last year. Really?

He didn't get drafted because he was a major fuck up. He barely got a sniff in FA because was a fuck up. You get a shot and get suspended for 4 games for Adderall supposedly. You get a chance to play and the Giants are in transition at the S spot and now he gets suspended again.

This kid is not someone whom an organization can trust and his decision making for the last six years can only kindly be called stupid.
I honestly would cut him too  
Default : 7/20/2013 3:13 pm : link
Don't care what his potential is.

Lets recall his stupidity, shall we...

1.) Stupid enough to be in enough trouble to fall out of the draft

2.) Get a second chance and get suspended for adderall use.

3.) Get a third chance and get suspended for moking weed...this idiot will get suspended again, he just doesn't get it.
Weed is not physically addicting.  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/20/2013 3:15 pm : link
Saying so is not scientifically true.
Reese and Coughlin talked about the short leash of Will Hill  
Mason : 7/20/2013 3:15 pm : link
As Jimmy Johnson said you make exceptions for special players, you make examples out of the rest. I put Will Hill in the rest category.
but it can be  
KsToNe498 : 7/20/2013 3:17 pm : link
Mentally addicting
Kstone everything can be mentally addicting  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/20/2013 3:20 pm : link
What does that have to do with anything?
Dope  
ada34ada : 7/20/2013 3:21 pm : link
Pun intended.
that one could  
KsToNe498 : 7/20/2013 3:22 pm : link
Have an addiction to it?
we don't  
KsToNe498 : 7/20/2013 3:24 pm : link
Even know if it is weed, could be something else
You are just as likely to get addicted to cheeseburgers  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/20/2013 3:28 pm : link
As you are to get addicted to weed.

I'm not even one of these legalize weed preachers, but just some of the uneducated comments on here about weed is absurd.
Honestly, I'm all for cutting him too  
islander1 : 7/20/2013 3:28 pm : link
I thought this team had some integrity standards. They gave Hill a chance as a UFA, and all he's done for the past two seasons is prove them wrong. Don't give a crap how well he plays when he's not serving drug suspensions.
99% chance it's weed  
Buck Dharma : 7/20/2013 3:34 pm : link
Since it's for non performance enhancing substance.Pot is the drug of choice for many young athletes.The NBA does not test it's players for marijuana btw.
Time to  
TMS : 7/20/2013 3:37 pm : link
stop wasting our efforts with this guy and move on. You cannot depend on second chance guys who keep returning to the same BS. We took a gamble and lost. Case closed. IMO
If he's suspended the first four games  
Milton : 7/20/2013 4:02 pm : link
That means he doesn't count against the 53 man roster, so they will have until week five to decide if it's worth it to keep him. Meanwhile, injuries in weeks 1-4 could make his addition necessary.

As for character concerns, I'll leave it to the coaches and management to decide if his transgression was a red flag that he just doesn't get it or rather just a temporary setback.
Cut him now  
PaulN : 7/20/2013 4:05 pm : link
He has contributed nothing to the team, sure, he showed some promise, but who cares, its not like he has been some sensation out there. Giants need to stick by their guns on this or it sets a bad precedent. They said he was on a short leash, well not prove mean what
Now prove you mean what you say  
PaulN : 7/20/2013 4:06 pm : link
Is what I meant to say
Lol at 'integrity standards'  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/20/2013 4:10 pm : link
Dave Diehl ring a bell?
This may explain some things  
UberAlias : 7/20/2013 4:12 pm : link
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He is a moron.......  
Dry Lightning : 7/20/2013 4:12 pm : link
I don't think we need to cut him now. I don't think he takes up a roster spot. Wait until the suspension ends and if we don't need him, cut him then. We have an overload at safety. Mundy, Taylor, Sash, Rolle, Brown. Someone had to go. I had high hopes for Sash (of course he has one of these under his belt too), so I guess barring injury, he stays. I think without this, he was gone. I think the Giants knew this could/would happen pre-draft.
Hill just solved the safety selection problem  
nygirlie : 7/20/2013 4:12 pm : link
Mundy just made the team. The rookie is a given unless he really screws up.
Mundy was already going to make the team  
UberAlias : 7/20/2013 4:18 pm : link
He has been impressing since he got here. I think he will be on the field quite a bit, actually.
I think they knew  
UberAlias : 7/20/2013 4:21 pm : link
This was coming.
Not a shock  
JonC : 7/20/2013 4:31 pm : link
Mundy was signed as insurance not only for injuries ...
Ten Ton  
mikeygiants : 7/20/2013 4:31 pm : link
good point.
Hill's only hope  
nygirlie : 7/20/2013 4:46 pm : link
is that a safety gets hurt by week 4.
Hill figured rather prominently in their plans  
JonC : 7/20/2013 4:58 pm : link
provided he could keep his arse out of trouble.
I agree with Brett about Brown  
Jupiter : 7/20/2013 4:59 pm : link
He may do as much harm with his freewheeling style as the good that comes from his INTs.

Hopefully, he will learn to play more conservatively and in control.
I agree with Milton  
Mike in Philly : 7/20/2013 5:08 pm : link
I'll leave it up to Reese and Coughlin to determine if he deserves to be cut. But I wouldn't be too hasty. By week 4 we may need him back there.
Cheater...  
Blue Grit : 7/20/2013 5:11 pm : link
...
Not ideal  
G2 : 7/20/2013 5:18 pm : link
But the offense is going to have to carry this team anyway. Get ready for shoot outs
Weed is not physically addicting,  
MadMax : 7/20/2013 5:22 pm : link
But it can be psychologically addicting. Anything can, (such as cheeseburgers mentioned above). The big difference for Will Hill is that weed can get him suspended, cheeseburgers, or other innocuous thing/habits, don't.
will hill was suspended last year?  
CGiants07 : 7/20/2013 5:24 pm : link
I thought it was tyler sash who was suspended for adderall
Its not the smoking of the weed, its doing something to get  
PatersonPlank : 7/20/2013 5:26 pm : link
suspended for 4 games that is the issue. I don't care what it was, he shouldn't do something to lose 1/4 of the season. He is a relatively unproven player, who granted showed some promise, and had an opportunity to make something of himself this year. He royally screwed up. I would not be surprised if he gets cut.
I almost  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2013 5:33 pm : link
posted last week that the silence on Will Hill from the Giants in the spring seemed a tad odd, and I wondered if there was something going on. I wonder if they knew about this for some time.
This kid needs to be released.  
JoeyBigBlue : 7/20/2013 5:43 pm : link
He's talented, but his baggage doesn't outweigh his talent. 2nd suspension in 2 years, it shouldn't be acceptable in this organization.
He's  
Toth029 : 7/20/2013 5:44 pm : link
A moron but I hope he somehow hangs on.

I'm not comfortable with Mundy being the top backup.
I've also noticed the lack of talk about Hill so I assume  
Bino5 : 7/20/2013 5:44 pm : link
They've known about this. Hill was very good on special last year so maybe Mundy helps there, but the Steeleres tried their best to use Mundy on D last year with the injuries they had and He ended up benched.
Considering that  
Red Dog : 7/20/2013 5:46 pm : link
they signed a veteran Safety AND drafted another Safety when they already had four Safeties on the roster, it could be that this potential problem was something that they had known about for some time.

It looks like he just got finished smoking when this photo was .  
fredgbrown : 7/20/2013 5:55 pm : link
snapped.

you should get banned for drinking beer if you get  
gtt350 : 7/20/2013 6:09 pm : link
banned for smoking weed, how ridiculous
Look...it's illegal. Like it or not, you have to follow the law...  
rnargi : 7/20/2013 6:13 pm : link
This is twice. That's 8 games...half a season...that he's missed through his own choices. IMO, that's an active decision and means that he doesn't give a crap. That said, I don't give a crap about him. Cut him, now.
I guess we'll see what the team thinks of his ability  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/20/2013 6:36 pm : link
Between years of bad Plaxico behavior they swept under public eye, Diehl's DUI, McKenzie's DUI, there were no cuts made.

Hill's the first repeat offender unless my memory is bad.
I would think  
BrettNYG10 : 7/20/2013 6:36 pm : link
That we would have cut him prior to this being announced by the team if we were going to - but I don't say that with any sort of confidence.

I suspect Hill was penciled in as KP's replacement and believe the team thought highly of his potential. And perhaps after what they viewed as suitable behavior last year, post-suspension, he has been granted a longer leash.
Brett...I bet you're on the money with that assessment...  
rnargi : 7/20/2013 6:41 pm : link
...which is reason #1,309, 488 why I'm not the GM.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 7/20/2013 6:44 pm : link
rnargi, of course now that I said that he'll be cut first thing Monday morning!
Diehl has a full career with the Giants  
islander1 : 7/20/2013 6:45 pm : link
a contributor to two super bowls. Although I wouldn't be disappointed if they had cut him after his DUI, he did just make ONE big mistake.

If he made a second, especially the same one? I'd want him cut as well.


If he doesn't count on the roster  
Mr. Nickels : 7/20/2013 7:05 pm : link
Leave him if everyone is healthy after the 4 games just cut him
Weed  
Dragon : 7/20/2013 7:11 pm : link
Look this is a big problem because he does not seem to understand that he could be packing bags instead of playing in the NFL. We all have problems but I drink can't do weed and keep my job common sense just got hit last year and now again. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me!
Don't assume  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/20/2013 7:37 pm : link
we know which drug it was. It could be something else.
Cocaine??  
Blue Blood : 7/20/2013 7:43 pm : link
hope not
damnit  
GiantsFan84 : 7/20/2013 7:49 pm : link
I had very high hopes for hill as well.

as others have said, the problem is he had huge red flags to begin with and the hope was he saw the light and was starting to turn it around with his personal life (his football ability was never really in question).

he was on a short leash and I would not be totally surprised if he is cut. there is adequate depth with taylor and mundy behind rolle and brown.

this may also be why we didn't hear anything about him in team interviews
I  
AcidTest : 7/20/2013 8:13 pm : link
think if it's cocaine his chances of being cut increase dramatically, especially since safety is seemingly a position of strength. This is also his third strike, including his screw ups in college, which caused him not to be even drafted.

The harder call is if it's pot. At that point, I'd probably see if we need him after week four. But this is getting old.
#soured  
spike : 7/20/2013 8:22 pm : link
.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 7/20/2013 8:22 pm : link
I strongly disagree with safety being a position of strength.
What a moron.  
Boy Cord : 7/20/2013 8:35 pm : link
I'm sure the Giants made it perfectly clear to Hill what his fate would be if he were to slip back into his old ways. Whatever the Giants are going to do with him was decided over a year ago. I would not be surprised if he is cut soon. The Giants just need to make sure they follow the proper protocol, which may take a few days.
Are you guys sure that this is Hill's second suspension?  
Klaatu : 7/20/2013 8:49 pm : link
I see it's been reported that way by a couple of news outlets - USA Today, LA Times - but I think they're mistaken. I think they're confusing Tyler Sash (Adderall suspension last year) with Will Hill.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 7/20/2013 8:50 pm : link
Here's one article, Klaatu:

Quote:
New York Giants safety Will Hill received a four-game suspension in October for Adderall use, which violates the NFL's performance-enhancing substance policy. Hill this week warned that banning the substance -- which he began using last spring to treat ADHD -- will lead to problems.

Will Hill: NFL's ban of Adderall could cause problems - ( New Window )
They were both suspended last year  
UberAlias : 7/20/2013 9:12 pm : link
Hill started his right when Sash returned
He warned us all that  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/20/2013 9:41 pm : link
he goes harder than a Russian, you didn't want to listen.
Ah. Okay, then.  
Klaatu : 7/20/2013 10:01 pm : link
I stand corrected.
If Hill makes the team, his games missed for suspension won't count on  
Optimus-NY : 7/20/2013 10:24 pm : link
this year's cap. I just got this from Jason Fitzgerald from overthecap.com via twitter:



Hill makes $480,000 this year (his cap # and salary). He earns approximately $28,235 per week (this number multiplied by 17 weeks, which includes the bye week results in $480K). The Giants would recoup approximately $112,941 in cap space as a result of this suspension IF Hill makes the team in 2013.
I blame Torts..  
Davisian : 7/20/2013 11:16 pm : link
..
I know it makes no fuckin' sense..  
arcarsenal : 7/21/2013 12:57 am : link
But I still kinda hope he doesn't get cut.

I hate seeing a guy get rewarded for being an idiot.. but I like Hill's game a lot and I feel like he can really, really help this team. The safety position is absolutely crucial in Fewell's D. We need as much depth/talent as we can get there.
Optimus  
Milton : 7/21/2013 3:28 am : link
Not really, because he won't count against the 53 man roster for the first four weeks of the season, but the Giants will still keep 53 players on the roster (plus Will Hill) and all 53 will count against the cap.
Milton - You're right  
Optimus-NY : 7/21/2013 4:21 am : link
I should have clarified further that another player's salary will take his place on the roster for the season even if Hill does make the team, and that player (let's say Sash for argument's sake) is cut after week 4 to make room for Hill on the 53-man roster again.

If a player is on the opening day roster than his salary is guaranteed for salary cap purposes for the season, which is why when teams want to sign a veteran at the end of the preseason, they sometimes wait until after week 1 of the regular season has concluded to sign that given player. This is because in such an instance, that player's contract is not guaranteed, and he only counts against the salary cap on a week by week basis instead of for the entirety of the season, even if he was cut at some point. I wonder if the Giants will go with only 52 players for week 1 for this reason if Hill makes the team?
If it's weed  
AnotherGiantsFan : 7/21/2013 6:43 am : link
I doubt he'll get cut. I'll be shocked if he does. We're thin at Safety and they aren't gonna risk giving up that kind of potential for something so minor. Hill is gonna get an earful though from the Giants.
under the old rules  
fkap : 7/21/2013 6:56 am : link
players with less than a certain number years of service were not guaranteed the full year's salary just because they were on the opening day roster. Did that change with the latest contract? If not, you can replace Hill with a youngster (like a bubble player you want a couple more weeks evaluation on) for those four games without being on the hook for a full year's salary.

That said, I wonder what percentage of players don't get caught? There's gotta be a reason so many who are caught think they can get away with it.
I was thinking that this guy could be an impact player  
Some Fan : 7/21/2013 7:44 am : link
Now, I have little confidence in him getting there. He has a history of not being able to control himself.
mike, uber, Eric  
DavidinBMNY : 7/21/2013 7:46 am : link
I agree with the sentiment about knowing of the suspension. When is it likely that will hill was tested for this and when did the results come back? It wasn't yesterday.

Start of otas? Mandatory camp? End of season test? Anyway they knew about this.
Optimus  
Pat from Inside Football : 7/21/2013 8:14 am : link
I think the payments are spread out over 16 weeks, not 17, at least that's what i remember Joel saying. Also, I could be wrong here -- I'd check this with Joel or Jason -- but I believe that if a player has less than 4 years of accrued experience, his salary is not guaranteed to count against the Final 53 if he's on the roster week 1. That's why when you see tweaking going on, most times it's a younger player.
There are announced tests  
Killed the K-Gun : 7/21/2013 9:26 am : link
And random tests.

Announced tests are easy to beat if you use only recreationally.

Just stop for a while.
Pat  
Optimus-NY : 7/21/2013 9:56 am : link
Jason said it's 17, not 16 (see my 10:24 pm post from last night on this thread), but I'll double check with Joel too.
This stinks....  
rptl530 : 7/21/2013 11:39 am : link
but assuming it's just pot he still must be cut ASAP. The Giants will look like hypocrites otherwise.

Pattie  
Optimus-NY : 7/21/2013 11:47 am : link
Joel and Jason confirmed it's 17 weeks over twitter this morning to me.
With everything going on in the NFL right now  
Shockwave : 7/21/2013 11:52 am : link
The Giants will cut him.
Optimus  
Pat from Inside Football : 7/21/2013 11:52 am : link
Yeah I also got the same thing. Sometimes I drift back to the previous CBA rules.
Pat - I just tweeted Joel & Jason the following question below:  
Optimus-NY : 7/21/2013 12:03 pm : link
Quote:
Is a player's salary guaranteed if he's on the 53-man roster on week 1 if he has less than 4 years of accrued experience?


I've got Sash in mind for this question (since he has 2 years of accrued experience--2011 & 2012--on his resume). Sash seems like the ideal roster place holder for Hill, assuming that Hill makes the team to start the regular season while serving his 4-game suspension to start the year.
Optimus  
Pat from Inside Football : 7/21/2013 12:41 pm : link
You're assuming the giants keep Hill. They might go with Mundy, who has a minimum qualifying offer, over Hill. The effect on the cap is about $200k.

Pat - I am only for the sake of argument  
Optimus-NY : 7/21/2013 12:54 pm : link
It's very easy to figure out if Hill is cut salary cap wise. His $480 K salary will just not factor in. Gonna be very interesting to see what happens going forward.
Joel answered the question I posted in my 12:03 pm post  
Optimus-NY : 7/21/2013 12:56 pm : link
He said no. I learned something new today. Thanks Pattie and fkap.
Optimus  
Pat from Inside Football : 7/21/2013 3:46 pm : link
Along those lines, I believe that if a veteran is signed after week 1, his cap hit is prorated against the cap.
Right  
Optimus-NY : 7/21/2013 5:45 pm : link
4 or more years of accrued experience.
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 7/21/2013 8:35 pm : link
1) The only reason I wouldn't cut him now is because they don't have to and we don't know what the first 4 weeks will bring.

2) His saving grace may be that he is eligible to participate in camp and preseason games. He has another chance to prove himself. He may need to be lights out this summer to keep his job.

3) Why is the assumption that it was pot? It could be any number of drugs.

4) In my mind, it doesn't and shouldn't matter what drugs he was busted for. He was on thin ice with past problems and a previous suspension for PEDs. No matter what he used, it was an illegal drug. It was stupid to have used and it was a waste of a second chance.

5) It also doesn't matter to me how much talent he has at this point. Each suspension not only loses those 4 games, but the time it takes to bring him back up to speed again. In this case, he misses the first 4 games and then even if we need him he won't be ready for at least another couple of weeks and that is probably being generous. So, the reality is he is probably losing close to half this season.
Correct me if I'm wrong  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/21/2013 8:44 pm : link
but being suspended for 4 games does not mean he can't work and practice.

"getting him up to speed" shouldn't be an issue.
TTH  
Milton : 7/21/2013 8:48 pm : link
He's not even allowed in the facility during the four weeks.
Ten Ton Hammer  
Matt M. : 7/21/2013 8:49 pm : link
That's actually exactly what it means.
I thought it was just lost games and checks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/21/2013 9:10 pm : link
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Get another job  
jints48 : 7/22/2013 3:38 am : link
If your job has a requirement that specific substances are banned, if you can't deal with that find anothwe job without requirements!
TTH  
Sneakers O'toole : 7/22/2013 3:40 am : link
Nope, he's right. When you are suspended, you cannot step foot on team property. You can't train there, you can't go too meetings, you can't go to the cafeteria or meet with the coaches. You are persona non grata as far as the NFL is concerned.
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