Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Justin Pugh's contractual breakdown:

Optimus-NY : 7/27/2013 6:44 pm

Source: Position=RT& Team=Giants


I asked Jason Fitzgerald the following question on Twitter from my Giants Salary Cap twitter feed:

As can be seen above, the small roster bonus he received in year 4 in 2016 is for $385,770.

Check out these two articles on what Pugh's issue was with the Giants (4th guaranteed year). Picks 14 through 21 in the first round all got guaranteed 4th years. Pugh--the 19th pick in the first round--was one of the last to sign his deal.

Justin Pugh’s Contract Issues with the Giants - July 16th - by Jason Fitzgerald from

Pugh, Giants could end up in a fight over guaranteed money - Posted by Mike Florio of on July 15, 2013, 5:24 PM EDT
Back boobs?  
Ryan : 7/27/2013 6:47 pm : link
Optimus-NY : 7/27/2013 6:52 pm : link
B or C cups?
Notice how they compensated for his short arms  
PatersonPlank : 7/27/2013 6:58 pm : link
by moving the chair so close to the table.
AcidTest : 7/27/2013 7:27 pm : link
Good point.
lol PatersonPlank  
Optimus-NY : 7/27/2013 7:27 pm : link
Holy shit! That one got me rolling. I see we'll have no shortage of short-armed jokes about Pugh here for the foreseeable future, lol.
Nassib's 2013 cap number is $518,400 btw  
Optimus-NY : 7/27/2013 7:29 pm : link
This guy is 301 lbs? He doesn't look it in that pic.  
fredgbrown : 7/27/2013 8:35 pm : link
He looks slim compared to our other lineman...
He doesn't look it at all, not sure I believe that #  
Gmen4Life21 : 7/27/2013 9:22 pm : link
He through 1st pitch out at YS earlier this year on a CC start, cc looked so much bigger than him both height and weight. Granted cc makes everyone look small, and he's built like a dt but it really wasn't close. At least on tha date I don't see how Pugh was more than like 280. I'm sure he's put some weight on since and obv will continue to in the next couple years with the team weight program.
Gmen4Life21 : 7/27/2013 9:23 pm : link
Moondwg : 7/27/2013 9:49 pm : link
You're the man for providing all these financial updates  
dpinzow : 7/27/2013 9:58 pm : link
on the team...thanks Optimus!
You're welcome dpin  
Optimus-NY : 7/27/2013 10:29 pm : link
I was reading Jason Fitzgerald's twitter feed (@Jason_OTC) a few days ago, and someone made a great point about the guaranteed 4th year.

If a GM doesn't guarantee a 4th year for a player, and it backfires on him (meaning that the player washed out), then it means that the GM should be fired anyway.
I assume most of this stuff is slotted....  
rptl530 : 7/28/2013 8:19 am : link
but that still looks like a pretty damn good contract for Pugh with all those guarantees.
rptl530 - Yes, it is all slotted.  
Optimus-NY : 7/28/2013 9:28 am : link
Here's a link for the cap numbers for all the picks in this year's draft from from back in late April:

2013 NFL Draft Pick by Pick Cap Estimates - by Jason Fitzgerald

Here's another link about the various issues regarding rookie contracts from back in May, also by Jason Fitzgerald from

A Primer on Some Rookie Contract Negotiating Sticking Points - May 10, 2013
If he's 301 lbs  
mrvax : 7/28/2013 9:59 am : link
it's got to be all solid muscle. Doesn't appear to have that typical olineman fat.

Glad they figured out a seating angle for him to be able to sign.
I think a lot of us were caught off-guard by the Pugh selection in the  
Optimus-NY : 7/28/2013 11:43 am : link
1st round on account of his short arms, but misunderestimated his technical ability, myself most definitely included. It looked like the Giants were targeting an O-Lineman early in the draft. After doing a mock first round, it looked like Fluker was going to go to either San Diego at 11 or Dallas at 18, so Fluker lasting to 19 wasn't realistic by the time draft day rolled around.

I thought Menelik Watson might be a guy to consider, but I should have heeded the words of Mike Mayock, who had Pugh going to the Giants at 19 in his last mock draft. I'm looking forward to see him use his technical skill at RT and maybe even LG this year. Hopefully it's the start of a long and fruitful career.
Isn't Boothe  
mrvax : 7/28/2013 12:22 pm : link
a lock for LG?
mrvax - yeah  
Optimus-NY : 7/28/2013 12:47 pm : link
Pugh wasn't exclusively practiced at RT as a Giants so far. They also had him take snaps at LG. You know Coach Flats. He wants all his O-linemen to be versatile and all (I love Flats btw). He'll be the starting RT at some point this year IMO.

I'd guess Diehl starts the year, then when Pugh is ready around mid-season, he can transition into the job. Just my opinion of course. If Pugh is ready t start from day 1, and earned it by beating Diehl fair and square, sans injuries, then even better. As long as he earns it, I'm cool with it.
I knew he was taking reps at LG  
mrvax : 7/28/2013 12:57 pm : link
and you just made me think of something. Dollars to donuts (weird expression, huh) if Pugh is very good at RT during practice games, TC will still stubbornly start Diehl there and let Pugh "work his way in" later during the season.

"Mock my words."
Maybe I'm confusing myself...  
rptl530 : 7/28/2013 1:00 pm : link
by looking at these numbers too long but it looks like Pugh & his agent did a SPECTACULAR job on working out this deal. It looks basically like a 4 yr/$7.96m contract with ALL of it guaranteed.

Optimus, where am I going wrong here and if I'm not are all of these 1st round contracts in Pugh's area basically the same?

rptl530 - picks 14 through 21 were the same  
Optimus-NY : 7/28/2013 1:09 pm : link
Pugh (the 19th overall pick) supposedly got a partially guaranteed 4th year, with the only non-guaranteed portion being his 2016 roster bonus for $385,7770 bucks, as noted above, so not all of his contract was guaranteed. The issue with him was always the 4th year guaranteeing of his salary.

Pugh and his agent didn't do anything special here. They just waited to see what other picks in the vicinity of the 19th selection would do. There will come a day eventually when the entire first round gets their 4th year guaranteed.
rptl530 : 7/28/2013 1:13 pm : link
fair enough, I was too lazy to look at all the other picks surrounding Pugh, but it is basically a 4yr/$7.96 guaranteed contract, no?

(I noticed the $385K and just kind of threw it away, therefore saying it was basically all guaranteed.)
rptl530 - Here's the breakdown.  
Optimus-NY : 7/28/2013 1:54 pm : link
•Pugh got a signing bonus of $4,449,744 when he signed on Thursday.
•His base salary for the 2013 through 2016 seasons totals $3,510,384.
•That's a total of $7,960,128 NOT including the non-guaranteed portion of his 2016 salary, which takes the form of a roster bonus.

•If Pugh is on the 53-man roster in 2016, on either the 2nd or 3rd day after rosters are set, then he receives his roster bonus of $385,770.
•If he gets his roster bonus for making the team in 2016, then the total of the contract rises to $8,345,898 for 4 years, which it should pending Pugh stinking up the joint or being injured.
rptl530 : 7/28/2013 2:00 pm : link
thanks, I was just confused because of the guaranteed salary part. I hadn't thought it was done that way in the past. Maybe it's the new CBA or something. Kind of like a trade off....guaranteed salary in exchange for bigger signing bonuses. Real money later for MORE real money today.

Anyway, this kid better be a player or we're on the hook for some pretty big dead money as soon as the end of '14.
Optimus-NY : 7/28/2013 2:24 pm : link
This slotting system is the result of the new CBA. Things will change slightly now from year to year as a result of the new CBA with respect to the rookie signings.

I suggest that you read the second article that I linked above in my post from 9:28 am yesterday titled "A Primer on Some Rookie Contract Negotiating Sticking Points - by Jason Fitzgerald from (May 10, 2013)."
Back to the Corner