I'm sorry. I'm not an NFL DE, I have not won two Super Bowls, this is not my daily job, but god dammit Justin you're wrong about how to defend the read option and I can only guess it's because your DC is a hack.
You don't read the tackle if you think it's a run of any form, that is NOT your concern. You maintain outside leverage and you keep your outside arm free, and key on the QB, 100 times out of 100. If it's a dive, you don't jump it, you let your triangle clean it up. JPP keyed on a dive last year in Washington and it cost us the game as RGIII ran 50 yards around his side on a crucial play. This is not a typical pro offense, you do NOT NOT NOT read the fucking tackle if you see the pistol and suspect the run. A down block?? Who cares? Let him down block, and have you jump inside, you'll be left hanging by RGIII or whoever the running QB is. You have backside LB or S help? Guess what, they get a pulling guard to contend with or a crack from a WR.
This is fundamentally wrong wrong wrong wrong for playing the read option, it is dead fucking wrong. Our players not being sure of A) what they should do or B) why they should be doing it, is reason #1 why Fewell should go to fucking high school practice and learn to slow down the option. Cal it the pistol, read option, spread option, I don't care, it's a QB based triple option where you KEY ON THE QB every time as a DE. This is football 101 and shockingly it's convoluted by overly wrought over-analysis. You are the key in the play, you are the edge, you are the table setter and you are jumping the dive if the OT blocks down??? JFC, no wonder we gave up 125 yards on the ground last year.
I can hear you already.."I think Justin Tuck knows more than you do fatso". Sorry, he's wrong, just flat wrong and unless someone figures this out, say good night to our running game improving.
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In case you forgot, Morris killed us last year because we didn't squeeze down. If there is a down block I am having my DE fly down the line of scrimmage and take away the first option. I will have my safety, corner and OLB flow to the QB. If you don't like that then you have to cheat down with your safety and have them take away the inside run. The problem with that is you take away the aggressiveness of your DEs by having them basically timid.
Either way, a 4-3 defense is not ideal for a read option offense. Your triangle cannot stop the read option when the QB hands the ball off because the OT is cracking down on one of your LBs. The strong side DT will get doubled while one OL will release to the LB.
31, 38, 17, 31, 38, 27, 28
The Giants were responsible for the 17.. and one of their TD's came on a complete fucking fluke.
But.. yeah, I guess our DC has no idea how to defend the read option but everyone else's does.
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last year everyone was fascinated with the QBs (Wilson, Kapernick and RG III...but look at the lead backs (Morris, Lynch and Gore) and tell me that the RBs weren't a major reason why the read-option was such a success.
I mean, we're talking about three of the best RBs in the NFL.
Forget RGIII, the Giants better figure out a way to stop Morris or they're going to be in big trouble.
Keep an athletic LB spying the QB (J. Williams) and everyone else follow the ball.
It's the Belichickian philosophy.....
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Oh wait a minute...wrong thread.
Your thinking is wrong because you think they play one defense. Players switch responsibility all the time. You are right that there needs to be a contain guy. Where you are wrong is thinking it is always the DEs responsibility.
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Jesus fucking Christ...
the problem is if you overkey the backs, now you're vunerable in the middle of the field and maybe over the top.
what makes these offenses effective is the QB's being able to throw the ball. those are three pretty good passing QB's, even if you tethered them to the C so they couldn't run away.
if they had a bad D1 QB who throws the ball like a shot-put, the offense would be little more than a curiosity
Trust me robbie, I know you're a smart dude, I know you get football but for the love of all that is holy TRUST me when I tell you that the DE play side is the #1 key to stopping this popgun offense and we still don't have the fundamentals right. I said my piece, I know my stance, I know how to defend an option and I provided unabashed video evidence of WHY reading the OT is wrong against this set. Good night ladies, have fun arguing about being wrong because you all are.
I don't mean to be a dick, apologies sincerely, but this is a very specific opponent and offense it requires a very specific approach and maintaining "a neutral" stance...will kill you against this offense and it killed us last year. Please, I am begging you, forget that this is 90% of NFL QBs...I am speaking specifically about RGIII and this offense. Tuck is right, for every opponent but one and O'Hara was asking about this and Tuck was wrong. Dead dead wrong.
I think given the three choices, it's best to die the death of 1,000 papercuts. it gives more chances for things to go wrong. and we caught a brutal break on something that DID go wrong.
the ideal way to deal with this offense is to injure the QB. no one is going to outright say it, but that's how you handle it.
I am talking about a very specific team against our very aggressive ends and how we can stop it. Again, this is very much focused on how to stop RGIII and we still don't get how if Justin Tuck's answer is how our DEs will play the read option this year. Sorry again for blowing up or being a dick, it's me and I get that way but there is no excuse for name calling....to all I apologize for that, but I am 100000% sure we are hosed if our DEs play that way against RGIII.
I'm sure you know more about the technical stuff but sometimes I think this stuff is just more complicated than most of us even realize.
It's easy to key in on all of the options that were kept by him and run around the edge for huge gains, but how many times did Morris abuse us up the gut on dive plays because the guys on the edge waited too long to commit and then were too late?
These things are always like chess in the NFL. The read option guys jumped ahead last year but now it's the DC's turns to even things up. I'm sure most of these guys spent a TON of time this offseason trying to figure out how to do it. The blueprint will be out soon enough.