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Shawn in Jersey : Mod : 8/18/2013 10:07 pm
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Ron From NYC : 8/19/2013 8:37 am : link
Moore was inactive, didn't play.
That was a brutal game...  
rptl530 : 8/19/2013 8:40 am : link
to watch.

Pretty disappointing.
You were at the game and missed the Randle plays?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 8:45 am : link
He looked the most ready out of everyone on the field. Really excited for him.

Kiwanuka looked strong out there.
Gman11 : 8/19/2013 8:56 am : link
You didn't hear anything about Ross? He made the play of the week, but not in a good way.
Went out, rushed  
jLefty : 8/19/2013 9:01 am : link
back to watch 7 pm start.No picture. came on in second quarter. Wilson made a nice play on catch. Nicks got a twenty yarder. Cox made good kick return. No picture when I returned from kitchen.Getting my info from this discussion thread.Lot of good posts.
that was an everything that can go wrong went wrong kind of game  
Peter from CT : 8/19/2013 9:09 am : link
Both TDs against were fluky -- the Ross play doesn't happen again 1 in 100 times. The Hosley touchdown was an unreal throw where the receivers second foot was within a half inch of being out of bounds.

A series of big 15 yard penalties (including on the coach) most of which were for silly fouls.

The biggest thing that is obvious to everyone is that DD can't (pass) block anymore. Receivers can't get uncovered if you don't give the QB anytime. Hopefully, the loyalty to DD is fleeting. Otherwise it is going to be a long year.
gidiefor : Mod : 8/19/2013 9:14 am : link
amen to that

I took mrs gidiefor to the game with me and she keep asking me what was wrong

My observations:
The Colts don't have a good run game and playing against them I don't think our run defense was all that good - the Colts kept hammering away at our gut and marching down the field - everyone was happy that they stopped the runner - but they kept giving up yardage - 3 to 7 yards a pop - they also kept failing to stop the colts on third down - it was maddening

On offense - we do not look strong in the power running game at all! Wilson showed good burst and made a few plays but he looked mediocre running into the line. Brown looked better up the gut but not great - the few plays he made were power sweep runs - and not all of them worked - the first 4down play was pathetic - the second one worked.

Eli had pressure in his face all night - and it looked at a certain point that the offense was just lackluster and not up to the game. Deihl was embarrassing - he was playing with a cast on his hand and he looked embarrassed and red faced constantly. He nearly got Eli killed.

Randle looked good - Wilson whiffed on a block that had Eli running for his life.
Hosely looked Awful to me and Luck was picking on him all night.

I thought Nassib showed good poise again - and that he made a few nice plays- to me he looks a heck of a lot better out there than Carr. Carr is not a great QB for as long as he has been playing and looks wooden out there and has a lot of nervous energy. Whatever - we are fucked when ELi packs it in or is out of the game - why bother keeping an average QB like Carr or Painter - give Nassib the roster spot in my opinion and let the kid learn. Do not waste a roster spot on keeping 3 qbs! We need all the help we can get everywhere that is not a skill position - Oline, DLine, Secondary, LBs -

Tuck played well last night - that was a bright spot - Connor played okay - and so did Williams. Josh Brown is a great addition to the team - he's got a real strong leg. In practice he was hitting 60 yd field goals. He kicks deep on kickoffs consistently, and he kept the runbacks from happening with his boomers. He also made the field goals.

Without Baas in there the Oline is torrid. I just don't get how the defense as a unit wouldn't be totally embarrassed with the way they played the run last night.
Louis Murphy Question...  
Tark10 : 8/19/2013 9:16 am : link
We've been told that Murphy was signed because he's fast and can stretch the defense. Not one deep ball to Murphy through the first two games. Is Gilbride saving this for the regular season?
When Snee, Bass, and Hynoski are not playing  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 9:17 am : link
then yes, the power run game between the tackles is going to look poor.

Remember, they're playing with replacements now.

It's Boothe, Cordle, Mosely and Pascoe. THat's not what it's supposed to be.
drkenneth : 8/19/2013 9:18 am : link
They tried to go deep to Murphy on one of the first plays.
I like Trattou but I think Ojomo seems the better pass rusher  
Curtis in VA : 8/19/2013 9:20 am : link
and more athletic of the two.

I know he's only been playing against backups but its not really fair to use that against him when he hasn't even been given the chance to go against the starters because they have 50 million defensive linemen on the roster.

When he's on the field, you know it. He led the team in sacks last preseason and could very well do it again this preseason. Scrubs or not, that has to count for something.

It would be a shame to see him go some place else and become a productive player right around the time where Tuck and Kiwi are entering the last leg of their careers as productive starters.

I know Tracy is the favorite and he's had a good camp (all 17 practices) and he has a cute little nickname but he hasn't had nearly the same impact or presence that Ojomo has.

They picked this guy up off the street. Every once in a while you get lucky with these street FA's and when you do, you should hold onto them.
The bomb to cruz happened because Murphy was double-covered.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 9:21 am : link
(Why would you ever double cover that guy over Cruz?)

JoefromPa : 8/19/2013 9:22 am : link
in regard to you comment about confusion on the defense, that seems to be Fewell's MO.

How else can you explain how superb athletes look so utterly defenseless, literally, on so many 3rd downs.
oh yeah  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/19/2013 9:22 am : link
Rivers looked okay too - In my mind the starting LB corps is Rivers, Williams and Connor
After last year, I'm not convinced they're going to play any of these  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 9:23 am : link
kids anyway. When Tuck was sucking wind and injured and JPP played the whole season on a bad back, how good were the coaches at mixing in the kids last year?

They've got some nice-looking groceries but the head chef just wants mac and cheese every night.
maybe there is something to the Fewell  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/19/2013 9:27 am : link
criticism ie confusion out there on the line and in the field - on paper this should be a better team than last year - and so far they look the same as last year.

To Tommy Coughlin - I hope to god this is not the way we will look this year and that this is just preseason shakeout - something has to be done to improve the defensive game performance for the season or we will all be screaming:

Mayday! Mayday! Mayday!!!!

When Wilson  
jLefty : 8/19/2013 9:29 am : link
had a running play it was always a draw.Eli gets a long snap and then hands off to Wilson who is buried before he starts.
perry's blitzing  
area junc : 8/19/2013 9:30 am : link
is just a trainwreck
The run defense looked good  
Torn Tendon : 8/19/2013 9:32 am : link
but since the Colts aren't a very good running team, I can't get too excited.

It's a shame the game where the #1's play the most is going to vs. the Jets train wreck. I'd like it to have been a better team.

Pats game will be a better test, "if" the #1's play more than 1-2 series.
GiantsFan84 : 8/19/2013 9:35 am : link
he's saving it for the final game of the season.

Just like he saved the Wilson wheel route for the last game of the season against Philly when the season was over...
Last night's game reminded me if the  
Some Fan : 8/19/2013 9:56 am : link
Giants of the 70s.
And at the very least the Pugh era should begin in earnest  
Some Fan : 8/19/2013 9:58 am : link
Wilson just isn't an instinctive runner  
Greg from LI : 8/19/2013 9:59 am : link
He's a phenomenal athlete, and when he gets some room he can explode, but his ability to read blocks and sniff out a hole are terrible. Compare that to Andre Brown. Hell, compare that to Cox last night - both of those guys can find a crease somewhere else when the hole's not there. Right now, Wilson doesn't do that and Brown clearly should start with Wilson as the changeup back.

And my other favorite turkey, Hosley, flat out fucking sucks.
AcidTest : 8/19/2013 10:02 am : link
and Ross have the same problem, namely playing the ball in the air. They are in position, but routinely mistime jumps, etc. You also have to remember that Luck made some incredible throws. Most QBs wouldn't have even attempted that throw to Hilton in the back of the end zone.
Took Tiki a few years to learn to read blocks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 10:04 am : link
and not go full speed all the time too.
yes it did  
Greg from LI : 8/19/2013 10:07 am : link
Wilson CAN learn to do so, but he's not there yet. I know everyone likes to blame the line or the playcalling for his inconsistency, but most of it is on him.
I agree with TTH.  
Curtis in VA : 8/19/2013 10:08 am : link
Wilson is probably used to being able to use his speed from college. He's going to have to learn patience. Cox had no choice but to be patient in college because his offensive line was abysmal lol
It's weird how some runners have that ability at a young age  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 10:13 am : link
and some don't.

I watched a highlight last night, I can't remember what team or RB, but he had nice screen in front of him and LB pursuit behind him. All he did was run past his blocks and up a lineman's back. Probably could've convoy'd it for a big play but he just took himself out of a good play with impatience.

To this day, that game Tiki played against the Raiders his last year when he picked his way through a minefield of blockers, I've never seen a guy do it better. ANd he was probably going 75% there.
Wilson's vision has already improved, imo  
islander1 : 8/19/2013 10:24 am : link
it just was awful last year. It's still not great, but man...even when he gets hit, it's got to be a direct hit to bring him down. Some of his failed runs were terrible play calls/blocking. Like that first down draw. *yawn* any of us could have predicted that - and Kildrive is surprised it's -3 yards because...

Cox looks good, yes, but again, against scrubs. Not his fault, but it is what it is. I do think Scott needs to start considering his future soon. Cox is our third best running back, period. An excellent find.

I wonder (still) if Hosley's biggest problem is his height. He can cover a guy well but he literally can't afford any mistakes against a WR if that WR is 6+ inches taller.

Is he a "Player"? Absolutely. A career backup/nickel, and special teamer, though.
The best Giants player  
YANKEE28 : 8/19/2013 10:39 am : link
on the field last night has not even been mentioned yet on this thread-S David Caldwell. Special teams, deep coverage, and especially coming up to make tackles on running plays, these guy was impressive throughout.
The skills Cox is showing seems like they'd translate well  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 10:44 am : link
to first-team play.
I think Wilson has improved his vision  
Some Fan : 8/19/2013 10:46 am : link
based on last night. Some guys just don't ever have that knack though. Llike Hershel they just cannot run instinctively. Wilson may be like Hershel but he has improved from last year.
Guess I'll watch it again..  
Tark10 : 8/19/2013 10:57 am : link
drkenneth. Thanks..
Cox just looked very fluid and natural  
Greg from LI : 8/19/2013 11:16 am : link
He's got enough wiggle to make the first guy miss and seems to have a nose for open space.
Marty866b : 8/19/2013 11:22 am : link
If Caldwell was #41, you are right.
Regarding our backup QB situation...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 8/19/2013 11:40 am : link
if Eli were to go down right now, Car is the ONLY guy who has a snowballs chance in hell of winning a game for us. That is not an endorsement that Carr is a good QB. Instead, it shows you how piss poor our backup QBs are AT THE MOMENT (pending further development).

Do Perry Fewell blitzes EVER work  
GmenDynasty : 8/19/2013 11:55 am : link
it seems like 95% of the time the offense wins on any play we blitz.

Also that mathias is rampant. The only thing that will stop this D from being good is a coordinator that has them totally confused.

Once again we have no choice but to hope THEY finally somehow get on the same page.....I hope we don't throw this year away b/c our system still isn't 'player-friendly'

FatMan in Charlotte : 8/19/2013 11:58 am : link
I see a fuckstick rattles off the same beat as a drumstick.
geemanfan : 8/19/2013 12:05 pm : link
There is no game plan for pre season. I for one hate the way Tom substitutes players. Why not give Pugh some first team reps? Why wait until the 4th to play Cox? Could Nassib be that much worse then Painter or Carr? We will never find out because he gets stuck with the bottom of the barrel for WR's and O line.Tom has his own method but I cant wait for pre season to be over.
want to save a roster spot then  
xman : 8/19/2013 12:09 pm : link
then skip carrying these qb backup stiffs
Last night  
old man : 8/19/2013 12:32 pm : link
was just one of those nights when even the right play turns out wrong:the Ross play, obviously; the foot barely in on the TD, the bench penalty after a good gain; the D getting in the backfield often on the blitz but poor containment.
That said, some things are now obvious:
-DD needs to go(I think JohnM and JR will talk to TC today about that 'play the kids earlier' conversation they had).
-Pascoe is NOT a lead FB: he missed hitting his man at least 2x that I noticed.
-Even a blind Giants fan knew that draw play in the green zone was coming, and yes, where were the deeps to Murphy(or anybody other than VC)? We fail there because we are predictable there.

I do have a question: are cuts mandatory after p-s game 2 now, or is it still all after 3(to70), then 4(to 53)?
old man  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 12:37 pm : link
On that deep to Cruz, murphy ran a good long route, but he was double covered. They showed the replay of it and why he took the longshot to cruz.

Haven't seem much of Murphy this camp but it seems like teams do respect his speed.
NewBlue : 8/19/2013 12:42 pm : link
He does not look good and by virture of his rookie status we all assume he is years away....but given the recent developments in Seattle, DC, Indy (yes I know he is not in their caliber) this guy is the all time leader in passing for Syracuse...some thought he was 1st round material, is it at all possible that he comes along quick with this pre-season experience and becomes the number 2? David Carr seems to have regressed, and I really wonder if he could be a much better option for a few games than Nassib
Believe Wilson  
jLefty : 8/19/2013 12:56 pm : link
is going to be an incredi9ble RB. Like Tiki only better.Don't buy the "lack of instinct."
nyynyg : 8/19/2013 12:59 pm : link
judging the guy when he is playing with most guys who won't even be on the roster?

And secondly, if anything else, it should be clear, we are hosed with anyone not Eli. Put me in the camp of Eli and Nassib. Is Nassib ready to be backup, absolutely not. But if Eli goes down, games are a write off. Save the roster spot and if the awful happens and Eli goes down, give the kid reps.
Tuckrule : 8/19/2013 1:40 pm : link
like tiki only better? You sure you were watching the giants and a guy named tiki, last name, barber.
Nicks seemed tentative in his cuts last night  
Simms11 : 8/19/2013 1:41 pm : link
and appeared to shy away from contact. I really think he's protecting himself right now and that there is nothing else wrong with him, as some have mentioned. He'll be fine once the real bullets start flying IMO.

If Eli gets blocking, and that's a big if, this passing game can be really good. We need the right side solidified. Snee and Diehl need to step up or our passing game will struggle. Eli was erractic last night, in part, because of teh pressure he was getting; mostly from the right side. Do we put a TE on that side to help more. I think Diehl will need a ton of help over there for us to be successful.
We're going to carry three QB's for the first time in years  
Torrag : 8/19/2013 3:04 pm : link
Nassib won't clear waivers so forget the practice squad. he's also not ready to be the primary backup. God forbid Eli gets dinged and maybe misses a start or two. If you go with Nassib you're not giving your squad a chance to compete in those games.

Thank God those suggesting an Eli/Nassib only tandem aren't managing the team.
nomad1986 : 8/19/2013 3:09 pm : link
pretty much looked like Kurt Warner trying to run Coughlin's offense. Drop back look at the first read and if he's covered well freeze until sacked. Hopefully the OL doesn't get Eli killed and Nassib has the 2 to 3 years he'll need to learn the offense or the coaching staff changes and all the rookies don't need 2 or 3 years anymore.
That deep pass early was to Cruz. Not Murphy.  
Tark10 : 8/19/2013 5:22 pm : link
Which brings back my question. Why no deep passes to Murphy as yet??
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