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Shawn in Jersey : 8/18/2013 10:07 pm
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Beatty was the best Giant on the field tonight  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/18/2013 10:08 pm : link
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hahaha  
giantgiantfan : 8/18/2013 10:08 pm : link
listen to this guys terrible commentary of the randy moss / joe buck thing they were talking about.
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When I look only at the starters...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 8/18/2013 10:09 pm : link
in the past two games. I do not see much improvement vs last season. Still have issues with the running game.
^Diehl still has issues in pass pro  
Lionhart28 : 8/18/2013 10:10 pm : link
and we still can't playcall or execute in the redzone. But I think a lot of that is due to the poor consistency in run blocking...
Red zone issues  
Giantfan in skinland : 8/18/2013 10:10 pm : link
the defense can't get off the field on third and long.

GIANTS FOOTBALL IS BACK BABY!
Uninspiring  
PEEJ : 8/18/2013 10:10 pm : link
I don't know much more about this team than I did before. Run D was better.
2nd half was a shit show (for both teams)
Red Zone offense  
BlueManFu : 8/18/2013 10:10 pm : link
Is a weak spot....AGAIN
This team  
dwilson22 : 8/18/2013 10:11 pm : link
might be a sleeper pick for a top 5 pick next year.
The Giants are TERRIBLE in the redzone  
Blue Blood : 8/18/2013 10:11 pm : link
and that has been a consistent ongoing issue that needs to be fixed.. and I am confident of this thing.. the defense will be mediocre as Fewell is the DC..
ball ----> Pam Oliver's face = hilarity ensued  
Mason : 8/18/2013 10:11 pm : link
Moss and Buck recanting old times


Good stuff.
Aaron Ross and David Diehl...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:11 pm : link
...nuff said. Ugh.

Best player on the field tonight -- head and shoulders above everyone else -- Andrew Luck.

Good news for the Giants: stout against the run... and improvement in run game this week.
a couple of guys looked good  
oipolloi : 8/18/2013 10:12 pm : link
Cox
Aaron Ross
Williams
Hosley--good and bad


Hankins and Austin were not as stout as the last game, but were not terrible either

Nassib continues to demonstrate that Jerry Reese and Tom Coughlin smoked crack together at least once in their lives.
Snee  
Jay in Toronto : 8/18/2013 10:12 pm : link
May not be 100% Yet. The OL worries me
That delay draw everyone hates..  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 8/18/2013 10:12 pm : link
(including me) is there simply because we cannot lineup and just smash them in the mouth. Notice also on those short yardage situations we run away from the interior of the line? We have been doing that for a while. No confidence that our line can beat the men directly in front of them. Instead, it is easier for us to create a mismatch on the outside.
Wilson, Torrain, and Cox looked strong.  
Britt in VA : 8/18/2013 10:12 pm : link
Good performance by them. Also, I thought Pugh looked strong in what I saw of him.
Sounded like Joe Buck was...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:13 pm : link
...sucking off Randy Moss.

That was just awful.
That said...  
Giantfan in skinland : 8/18/2013 10:13 pm : link
The preseason nature of this game seemed more obvious to me than normal even with the starters. You had some guys in there at WR that won't be part of the action when bullets start flying. Perhaps that had something to do with the rather vanilla playcalling.

Or perhaps that just who we are. Tough to say.
And Andre Brown  
oipolloi : 8/18/2013 10:14 pm : link
he actually ran very well. Made that third down on his own

tough guy with just enough shiftiness
Patterson was a stud...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:14 pm : link
...out there.

Entire starting d-line looked very stout and also good pressure up the middle.

Regrettably we just couldn't get our hands on Andrew Luck who showed great athleticism back there. He's a stud.
Let's cut straight to the chase.  
Optimus-NY : 8/18/2013 10:14 pm : link
What's up with the injuries?
Got three we weeks to stop sucking.  
BlueHurricane : 8/18/2013 10:15 pm : link
Looked pretty bad in a lot of areas. And I hate to say it but for a 2 time superbowl MVP Eli can sure look really bad at times. Most likely has Deihlitis though because when Locklear was playing last year Eli was much better.
The RZ play calling/design is almost as bizarrely frustrating to me  
Riggies : 8/18/2013 10:16 pm : link
as the team's obsession with Diehl at this point.

Execution doesn't get a pass, but what they continue to try to do is never going to yield a great RZ offense, no matter what the personnel is. The best they're going to get is all right and that's only if the run game steps up big (even if it's weak in between the 20s).
Can we come to a consensus on Diehl?  
David in LA : 8/18/2013 10:17 pm : link
I'm not so sure he even deserves a spot on the 53 man roster at this point. He is going to get Eli demolished soon. We need Pugh to grab the starting RT spot. Brewer provides versatility and depth, and it looks like he's had a good camp. Cut Diehl, and see what veteran LB's are available on cut down day.
No mention of Ojomo yet. He continue to dominate when he was  
fredgbrown : 8/18/2013 10:17 pm : link
in there. I think it is going to be hard to cut this guy. The guy just make plays when he is on the field.
Diehl must have naked pictures...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 8/18/2013 10:17 pm : link
of Coughlin, Reese, and Ray Handley having a threesome. I cannot imaging what other explanation there is for him to be still playing on this team.
Missed most of the game  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/18/2013 10:17 pm : link
Can anyone comment on Pugh?
Diehl was personally responsible for killing...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:17 pm : link
...drives, or preventing them from ever getting started.

He should really hang 'em up.

His name is on the back of his jersey and the coaches and all his team mates can see him on film.

Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust awful.
Some  
AcidTest : 8/18/2013 10:18 pm : link
thoughts:

We play very undisciplined football. We lose contain, and have a lot of stupid penalties.

We have problems on the OL. DD is beyond awful, and should be cut. Pugh should start ahead of him right now. I'd pick up a veteran for a third tackle. Baas was never that good, and is chronically hurt. Cordle, Brewer, and Mosley are the best remaining. The rest are awful.

Eli and Myers had some miscommunications. Robinson looks like he is too heavy.

Nicks looks like he is still hurting. Hope Cruz is OK. Randle looks very good.

Some good play from the DL. Austin had some pressure, but I still think it's going to be hard for him to make the team.

Nothing really from the LBs. Connor is much better than Herzlich, who I'm afraid should be cut. The rest are just bodies frankly. Reese was limited this offseason, so this is what we get.

Ross and Hosley don't seem to be able to play the ball.
Pugh  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/18/2013 10:18 pm : link
played well. He was stout
Giantsfan...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:18 pm : link
...I think Pugh looked mediocre to bad. I think he whiffed at least once on pass protection. Need to playback game.
On a serious note, is that play where DD lets his man by him  
Mason : 8/18/2013 10:19 pm : link
part of a scrambling play that Eli and KG prefer over the boring pocket passing. Eli looks like he had that play down pat almost. The DEs get a false sense of a sack and over pursue while Eli evades them for the throw.
The DT cuts look difficult  
bigbluescot : 8/18/2013 10:19 pm : link
there's good talent there and it's going to be difficult to get it to 4 or 5. I just wish we had a bit more at LB, I like Williams and I think if Rivers and Curry stay healthy have something, but that still looks an MLB short. Our system requires the MLB to be able to drop quickly in coverage and we don't have that at all.
Diehl  
Bleedin Blue : 8/18/2013 10:19 pm : link
Stick Paul Bunyon's for in him he's fucking done! and so are we if he's our starting tackle this year!
M.S.  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/18/2013 10:20 pm : link
I came away pretty impressed with Pugh. I thought he played pretty well.
My thoughts...  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 8/18/2013 10:20 pm : link
Positives:

RB position - Wilson, Brown, and Cox all looked terrific. They still need to improve pass protection, but the position is stacked right now.

2 Justins - I thought Tuck and Pugh (while I saw him) played wonderfully.

Negatives:

The list is so GOTDAMN long that I must remind myself it was only a preseason game.
Rivers lost containment on one play...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:20 pm : link
...strung out to the left (Patterson was a stud on this play)... but the RB cut back to the right and Rivers got stupidly sucked in.

Real bad.
^^^^  
Bleedin Blue : 8/18/2013 10:20 pm : link
FORK
But Eli was only sacked 18x last year! 28 in 2011!  
Riggies : 8/18/2013 10:20 pm : link
They've won two Super Bowls with David Diehl -- a lot of football games along the way with the lunchpail warrior.

In all seriousness, we can come to a consensus all we want, but DD is going to be the starting RT this season. There's legit no reason to think otherwise, no matter what Pugh does or Brewer does. Eli is just going to have buck up and somehow play like 2011, when he turned shit into gold.
People need to stop blaming  
eclipz928 : 8/18/2013 10:20 pm : link
all of the offensive woes on David Diehl. He's a problem, but he's not THE problem. Obviously he, along with the rest of the offense, played well enough to get the team set up in the Redzone a couple times.

The fact that the Giants can't punch the ball in is indication of much more serious issues with the offense that have been carried over from last season and need to be addressed. For some reason people have a hard time accepting this.
Sneakers... I need to review game.  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:21 pm : link
I may be confusing Pugh with someone else. Incidentally, I thought the starting OL blocked pretty well for the run game. ANd our d-line was very stout!!!
Robinson #81  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 8/18/2013 10:22 pm : link
missed his block on that 4th down play in the green zone on our first possession. It was as if he was running his own play. Did not even look at the guy he was supposed to block.
Diehl  
RobCarpenter : 8/18/2013 10:22 pm : link
Should have been cut in the offseason. If he starts the only possible upside is that it could lead to Clowney being on the Giants next year after Eli is mauled by Ware/Orakpo/Cole.

I want Pugh to start next week. Diehl can't move his feet quickly enough and he doesn't push his man back in run blocking.
I think DD begins the season as the starting RT, but as time goes on  
Optimus-NY : 8/18/2013 10:22 pm : link
Pugh will gain enough experience in practice to overtake him. The bye occurs in week 9; I think Pugh is named the starter during that time, and starts his first game at home against a bad Raiders team in week 10. Just my guess.
Pugh looked  
dwilson22 : 8/18/2013 10:22 pm : link
weak physically. I would give Brewer a shot at RT first.
On a positive note, last few years DD would have picked up a penalty  
Mason : 8/18/2013 10:22 pm : link
trying to hold back the DE when they get by him. Now he wised up and just watch as Eli runs for his life. There's your positive on that front.
Riggies...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:22 pm : link
...we don't go to the playoffs with Dunkin Donuts at right tackle.
You mean the Ojomo who  
section125 : 8/18/2013 10:23 pm : link
got a 15 yd penalty for late hit on the QB?
Adrien Robinson  
dwilson22 : 8/18/2013 10:23 pm : link
looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.
Diehl  
Bleedin Blue : 8/18/2013 10:23 pm : link
is not "THE" and not the "ONLY" problem on the line, but he's the biggest liability!
It  
AcidTest : 8/18/2013 10:23 pm : link
was Pugh's first time out. He played decently. DD was just being beaten by like a drum. I agree with whoever said that we really aren't getting any push up the middle. We have an aging, injured, inexperienced OL. Eli's pocket presence might not be enough to overcome that problem.

Liked what I saw from Cox.

Barden made a few catches, but does anyone really take him seriously as a WR at this point?

Bottom line: OL and LB are the biggest problems on this team.
All night  
Doomster : 8/18/2013 10:24 pm : link
every group of OLmen, just seemed to have a weak link, that screwed up the cohesiveness of the unit....

Obviously, having practices is not working for Eli....he needs more work out there against a real defense....not the one he faces in practice....

Disappointed in the execution and play calling.....what's the word? Predictable!

DD? I don't get it....I just don't get it.....

I know it's not going to happen  
dairborn : 8/18/2013 10:24 pm : link
But let Pugh or even brewer get some snaps for diehl..... Let's just see maybe if it can be better......

Nicks looks like he is not running well

Our lbs are going to be a problem

Going to be very hard to cut some of theses DE and DT. Amazing depth.... To bad they can't play LB
Dan Connor played well....  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:24 pm : link
...in run game and on screen pass.
I think the pressure Pugh gave up that MS is talking about  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/18/2013 10:25 pm : link
is the one right before the Giants punted while they were busy talking to Urlacher. I wanted to see that play again, but they were too busy blathering on to maybe worry about the actual game. That shit was annoying
thoughts  
NewYorkGiants : 8/18/2013 10:25 pm : link
The good- Run D looked stout
Tuck and kiwi played well
Wilson is a special player who runs like ,mccoy/jcharles
Will beatty if he stays healthy can be a phenomenal tackle



The bad- diehl, diehl, diehl, and diehl
He just gets abused in every aspect

The oline except for beatty seemed very shaky at best and is a huge concern moving forward especially with the injury to baas

Redzone needs to be fixed we have all of these weapons in cruz randle nicks and wilson, we should not be settling for field goals as much as we do
Boom! Headshot!  
Geomon : 8/18/2013 10:25 pm : link
went to the game, a few obeservations  
BigBluePrestige : 8/18/2013 10:26 pm : link
David Diehl is fucking awful. Andre Brown looked better and shiftier than David Wilson. Browns vision is far better than Wilsons. Pugh looked solid when he was in.

Cruz had both the cb and safety beat but Eli hung it up there.

Eli to me still needs to get on the same page with Nicks.

Giants looked slow on O and looked better on run defense.
Marvin Austin had a couple of real good plays...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:26 pm : link
...including a bigtime push up the middle.
Yeah  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/18/2013 10:26 pm : link
I think Austin played pretty well, too
Yes!! I am a big fan of Pam Oliver too!  
Mason : 8/18/2013 10:26 pm : link
LOL
Pugh played decent. Good and bad.  
BlueHurricane : 8/18/2013 10:27 pm : link
He unfortunately did not play well enough to unseat Turnstile but hopefully he continues to progress.
I'd shit on Gilbride  
SHO'NUFF : 8/18/2013 10:27 pm : link
but there are too many KG lovers in here that will cry "preseason!"...even though green zone offense has stunk like 3-week old road kill.
I loved Cox tonight  
Optimus-NY : 8/18/2013 10:28 pm : link
...He looked solid as a rock out there tonight.
When you guys say Diehl played bad,  
TheBigBlueOne : 8/18/2013 10:28 pm : link
is it a mental thing where he just missed his assignment, or is he just physically outmatched?
...and it wasn't just pass protection that...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:28 pm : link
...Dunkin Donuts failed at.

He's slipping off blocks in the run game too.
I was watching BB and the Yankees game at the same time.  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 8/18/2013 10:28 pm : link
Of the handful of plays I saw, Pugh's man didn't even get off the block. I'll get a more accurate view when I watch the entire game without interruptions.
Physically  
dwilson22 : 8/18/2013 10:28 pm : link
outmatched.
The O line was OK  
RobCarpenter : 8/18/2013 10:28 pm : link
Except for the Croatian turnstile and in the red zone.
Bigblueone...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:29 pm : link
...he can't move his feet.

They are in cement.
Deihl was pretty bad  
mainiac : 8/18/2013 10:29 pm : link
When on offense I only watched him while the 1s were in. He made a block or maybe two in pass pro. The other plays he was either beat or had a RB double his guy.

Seriously, I am not buying this stuff that Pugh and Brewer  
Mason : 8/18/2013 10:29 pm : link
haven't shown enough to unseat DD. It's more of Coughlin's comfort level thing again. Saw it with Ware vs. Brown. It didn't make sense then and it still doesn't.
I  
AcidTest : 8/18/2013 10:29 pm : link
think Austin helped himself, as he did last week, but I just don't know if it's enough. OTOH, he is a second round pick, and that plus any spark of ability might be enough to earn him one more year.
Diehl was beaten so quickly that plays don't have any chance to  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 8/18/2013 10:29 pm : link
develop.
Anyone catch Eli's look on the sideline...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:31 pm : link
...during first half?

Whoa... if looks could kill.

He looked pissed.

Why?

Maybe because he was severely outplayed by a second year QB on national TV.

ANd by a lot!!!
Listening to the post-game  
dwilson22 : 8/18/2013 10:31 pm : link
interviews on WFAN. Everyone is laughing, joking around. They don't sound like they care.
to focus on the positive  
Matt in SGS : 8/18/2013 10:31 pm : link
I thought Rivers looked great out there tonight. He was playing fast out there, chasing down ball carriers and receivers. He destroyed the fullback on one run up the middle and created a pile, very Carl Banks-esque. He looked like a former high first round pick tonight in his limited duty.

The defensive line over all did a much better job vs. the run today. Rogers was more active out there, clogging up the middle. As did Joseph, Patterson, and Jenkins. Granted the Colts are not a good running team, but that was much improved out there.

And if the Giants can ever get Will Hill to get his head on straight, this guy looks like a player. When he hits guys, they go right down. He had a few good hits out there.

Also, for me, Josh Brown is on this team to hit long field goals. That's why that strange unsportsmanlike foul on Coughlin wasn't a bad thing. I'd rather see him try from 45 than from 30. Tynes lost his job because he lost leg strength. Seeing 2 long field goals from him go through easily was a big plus.
If  
AcidTest : 8/18/2013 10:32 pm : link
Reese really did want to cut DD in the offseason and also has the final say over the 53, then it's going to be really interesting to see whether he cuts DD over Coughlin's objections. I'd just get rid of him for a veteran who doesn't survive the last round of cuts. Get another Locklear type player. That and Eli's pocket presence should be enough. It just isn't enough when DD is beaten two microseconds after the snap. Diehl is fucking up the entire offense.
Matt...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:33 pm : link
...I agree.

BUT... Rivers got sucked in real good on a cut back that he should have handled easilty.

THe run was strung out to the left by Patterson, and the RB changed directions and Rivers drifted to far inside.

Just real bad play by him.
Acidtest...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:35 pm : link
...exactly.

DD is being beat at the snap of the ball and he killed at least 2 drives... or prevented them from every getting underway.

He can fuck things up all by his lonesome.
I wonder what the limited number of  
mikeygiants : 8/18/2013 10:36 pm : link
practices has on talent evaluation. Fewer snaps must make it difficult for a coaching staff to say definitively that so and so has beaten out so and so. These preseason games may prove to be more important on that front than they have in the past.
Diehl has richly earned  
Mike in AZ : 8/18/2013 10:36 pm : link
the right to be cut immediately - what an embarrassing performance.
Mason  
dairborn : 8/18/2013 10:36 pm : link
I agree....TC for whatever reason doesn't let newbies come and play with the 1's even thou they appear to be better performers...... I think at this point, why not take a preseason game to give Pugh or Brewer a shot.....I understand assignment but if you cant come close to executing what's the point..... You gotta get these young Guys some experience.
You're insulting Dunkin Donuts, MS.  
Riggies : 8/18/2013 10:37 pm : link
At this point, I'd take a chance on what that donut mascot of theirs could do at RT instead of Diehl, but the team isn't going to make any moves there, barring injury (especially with Baas hurt yet again). It's not just Coughlin, but Reese too -- that seems to be clear when JR talks and goes on about how they've won a lot of games with Diehl, etc.

Again, it's going to just be on Eli and his pocket presence to save the day. He did in 2011, and, while perhaps not something we can fairly expect out of him on a season to season, consistent basis, perhaps he can channel it back for 2013.
Not a good look out there  
fadeproof : 8/18/2013 10:38 pm : link
Yes I know that it is still preseason but the Giants just looked bad in so many aspects and for a team that has SB aspirations it was alarming.

Offense- With the amount of skill position talent that this team has the redzone offense has been awful not just tonight but for several years now.

Eli should not be 8/17 in any game.

Nicks looked like he was at 70% with no explosion

This OL just doesnt run block well and it is rare when they move the pile. This OL is such a far cry from the 2008 line which was the best in the leauge.

Diehl--well no need to beat a dead horse

Defense-LB are not good..getting to average would be and upgrade

CB--with the exception of Amukamara they all scare me
I don't think Nicks had his heart...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:38 pm : link
...in this game.

He looked like he was out there to get some reps... stretch out a little... and get himself ready for the regular season.

But he looked pretty nonchalant out there.
Should be interesting to see if Pugh gets more  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/18/2013 10:39 pm : link
time at RT. I really don't care it its Pugh or Brewer but if TC decides to start DD then 2 Superbowl wins be damned, he needs to retire because he's fucking blind or senile.
For the life in me, I can't understand why the Giants  
prdave73 : 8/18/2013 10:39 pm : link
did not address this issue in free Agency?? The importance and priority in having a good Oline is huge!! Good teams focus on keeping their oline top notch, why did the Giants ignore it? Especially knowing Eli is key and he has so many weapons at his disposal??! Gilbride not helping that's for sure, but that's expected. They need to find a way to fix this issue or its going to be a long season for Eli and this offense..
Cruz  
NewBlue : 8/18/2013 10:39 pm : link
Heel bruise...hopefully it's limited to this.......
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Have to blame Fewell for the 2 plays…  
PonderingObserver : 8/18/2013 10:40 pm : link
in which the corners were at least 10 – 15 yards off the LOS allowing the Colts WRs to at least continue a drive and at most give them an opportunity to shuck the CB for a long gain. I think we have the same old Fewell…but I hope not.
The  
AcidTest : 8/18/2013 10:40 pm : link
"rationale" for keeping DD is apparently that he can play LT "in a pinch" if Beatty is hurt. Actually, he can't, and he's so bad I'd trust Pugh more at LT than Diehl. Get rid of Diehl and go with Beatty and Pugh as your starters, and a veteran from final cuts as your third tackle. People keep talking about Brewer as a RT, but I'm not seeing that right now. McCants doesn't belong in the league.
I hope nicks  
dairborn : 8/18/2013 10:40 pm : link
Is going through the motions and something isn't still nagging him.. He was running funny
Acid Test, Coughlin kept trotting out O'Hara  
David in LA : 8/18/2013 10:41 pm : link
when he was looking like he was playing on skates. Reese ended up cutting him. If Reese deems it necessary that DD be gone, he will do so.
Riggies...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:41 pm : link
...you're right.

The donut mascot would have played better.
A performance  
mushroom : 8/18/2013 10:42 pm : link
like this next week I will begin to worry but not this week.
Thought Pugh did well for his first game. Also looks like Cox is a keeper. Nicks definitely needs to practice. Run defense improved maybe at the cost of the pass defense. Really really tough decisions on the DL.
Really don't know how anyone can judge Nassib considering who his supporting case.
Anyone focus on Cordle at center?
WTF!!!  
Bramton1 : 8/18/2013 10:44 pm : link
Quote:
Listening to the post-game
dwilson22 : 10:31 pm
interviews on WFAN. Everyone is laughing, joking around. They don't sound like they care.


IT'S PRESEASON! They haven't had a meaningful game in over eight months, and have played 2-3 quarters of game situation football since then! Hell, I heard a talking head call Mark Sanchez the best looking quarterback in the preseason so far!
Speaking of smoking crack  
B in ALB : 8/18/2013 10:44 pm : link
Quote:
couple of guys looked good
oipolloi : 10:12 pm

Nassib continues to demonstrate that Jerry Reese and Tom Coughlin smoked crack together at least once in their lives.



Rookie QB, third and fourth string OL, second game of his career at the QB spot in the NFL. Despite that he threw two perfect screens to Cox who could have scored if he slowed down.

And this genius says the 2-time SB winning HC and GM are smoking rock.

FUCK. YOU.

You're horrific on BBI. Just awful.
Diehl looked like a third string O lineman  
RobCarpenter : 8/18/2013 10:44 pm : link
I hate that he's on this team. Yes, he was once a solid player but so f---ing what.

Why use a first round pick on a RT if he's not going to get reps with the first team?
Cox has good  
AnishPatel : 8/18/2013 10:44 pm : link
agility and can't wait to see him during the year when it counts.

I want to see how we do in the red zone once we start game planning. That's what I am interested in seeing.
I love you guys  
Semipro Lineman : 8/18/2013 10:44 pm : link
Don't ever change <3
Thoughts on the Game:  
clatterbuck : 8/18/2013 10:45 pm : link
Running back situation is reminding me of 2011 when we were all in panic mode about receivers/tight end which then became strength of the team. Wilson, Brown, Cox all looked very good. How did coaches at Michigan miss the boat on Cox?

Even with Cruz out, I still didn't understand the wide receiver personnel groupings unless they just were trying to get a look at different players and combinations. Barden, btw, just stinks.

Defensive line run D looked pretty good throughout. Broha, Ojomo just make plays.

On the other hand, Herzlich just doesn't make plays. Looks like it will be Conner in the middle.

Carr apparently doesn't see the middle of the field very well.

Off night for Eli. Not concerned. It's Eli.
I assume DaMonster did not play  
giantgiantfan : 8/18/2013 10:45 pm : link
absolutely no mention of his name...
Reese had to cut O'Hara because he couldn't physically play.  
Riggies : 8/18/2013 10:46 pm : link
It's not like he cut him to save Coughlin from himself.

He couldn't pass a physical and be allowed onto a field. When the Dolphins showed interest in picking him up later, he wasn't able to pass for them either (though I know O'Hara likes to tell a slightly different story, about how he never got another chance and teams just assumed he couldn't play anymore).
I thought Pugh looked pretty good  
PatersonPlank : 8/18/2013 10:46 pm : link
I'd like to see him get a shot instead of Diehl. I also thought Wilson, JW, and the D-Line (again) looked good too.
One more thing  
dairborn : 8/18/2013 10:47 pm : link
Only two games in but where are our TE's.....was there even a catch... Robinson looked lost a couple do times and where is this guy Meyers?
oh man  
GMenLTS : 8/18/2013 10:48 pm : link
that is some impressive shit even coming from a renowned genius such as oi.

This place never ceases to amaze, it'd be so awesome if it weren't so frightening.
In the box score, the stats  
CT Charlie : 8/18/2013 10:48 pm : link
for both teams are almost identical except for...

Penalties: Colts 3 for 61 yards, Giants 10 for 96 yards
Sacks: 1 for 6 yards given up by Colts; 6 for 44 yards given up by Giants.

10 penalties and 6 sacks allowed is not going to please TC.


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Riggies, from the looks of how O'Hara looked his last season  
David in LA : 8/18/2013 10:49 pm : link
he was cooked. I'm certainly no expert, but I'm not sure what positives the coaches thinks DD brings to the table at this point. He's more like a guy taking away dishes, knives, and forks. Now our offense can't eat.
Why all the Wilson hate?  
mushroom : 8/18/2013 10:49 pm : link
Thought he took what was there. Is it just high expectations because of his draft status?
Carr  
AcidTest : 8/18/2013 10:50 pm : link
throws the same 95+ mph fastball to every receiver, even if they are ten yards away. He doesn't seem to have a lot of touch.

Can't really evaluate Nassib. He's playing behind an OL that would shame a high school team.
Clatterbuck  
RobCarpenter : 8/18/2013 10:51 pm : link
Because Rich Rod sucks ass, that's why.
They said Pugh played LT  
Torn Tendon : 8/18/2013 10:51 pm : link
did he get any time at RT?

If he didn't get time at RT, maybe it means the RT competition is between Diehl and Brewer. If not, I'd like them to have Pugh focus on one spot rather than bouncing around.
Coughlin clearly stated he wanted both Webster and DD back  
Mason : 8/18/2013 10:51 pm : link
Quote:
“I think there’s no doubt they can definitely help the team. I do want them back. They can still contribute."


Quote:
“I always look at it the other way,’’ Coughlin said. “First of all I don’t ever want to lose any player, it’s not in my nature, I want ‘em all, but as Ahmad [Bradshaw] said, it’s a business. Change is inevitable so you approach it in such a way and try to be an optimist. Try to think about how we can help our football team through free agency, through the draft to recapture some of what has been lost, in a healthy way.’’




O-line  
BBurns : 8/18/2013 10:51 pm : link
is still a problem Beatty made some outstanding blocks
I can't believe they can't replace DD the guy is Toast .
Cox might also be the best gunner on the team as well as a lock for the 3rd RB he see's the field he glides like
and always seems to lean forward he looks like a steal .
If Hill gets his head on straight he could probably start
on plenty of teams .
Agree wirh MS that one play with Rivers was just awful
I didn't key in on him but that one play stood out .
There will be some tough cuts at DT and WR .
Ojomo again just makes plays all over the place disruptive
great motor . I know you don't see many trades but we have a
glut of DT and lousy linebackers . I think Brown should start and soften them up for Wilson thats if we can get someone better than DD to open some holes the run blocking
was garbage .
B in ALB sticking up for his  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/18/2013 10:52 pm : link
fellow Cuse alum. I understand your passion and its certainly not fair go judge Nassib on these preseason games but a stretch of a pick. He wont play a down this year unless both Eli and either Carr or Painter(whoever the back up is) go down. Should have been made on a developmental LB ,OL, or even DB. Worse they are going to have to cut a player who may have helped now or down the line for am guy who very likely wont be on the Giants past his first contract.

First game  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/18/2013 10:52 pm : link
I've seen in years...great seats...great company....great night to watch football...

sucky football with an annoying Colts fan running his mouth all game.

As said on this thread, Diehl was pretty bad in pass pro. Hated the red zone call on 1st-and-goal from the 5 out of the shotgun. I said to Boldruler...here we go with the draw play. Two yard loss. Sigh.

Only exciting thing in the second half was Cox.
btw  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/18/2013 10:53 pm : link
they were obviously looking at some guys very early. Kevin Hardy in the red zone on 3rd down? Seriously?
seen  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/18/2013 10:53 pm : link
in person.
IA, but I'm just saying Reese didn't cut him to take a toy away from  
Riggies : 8/18/2013 10:54 pm : link
Coughlin or prevent the coaching staff from doing anything. He cut him because O'Hara physically couldn't get onto a football field, for the Giants or any team during that time frame.

There was no other choice, really. Little to nothing blind loyalty or whatever it is that keeps Diehl locked into a starting position could do about it.
Giantgiantfan...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:56 pm : link
...he did not play.
BBI friends and enemies, I think it obivious  
Semipro Lineman : 8/18/2013 10:56 pm : link
The reason why the Giants lost is because Eric is a jinx
Does anyone think the Giants might tried to get Nassib  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 8/18/2013 10:57 pm : link
through waivers onto the practice squad? I know it's just preseason and the line in front of him is atrocious, but he really doesn't have any standout physical attributes. I know it's either no chance or 1% at best, but do they even talk about it?
The kid is a 4th round QB flyer  
B in ALB : 8/18/2013 10:57 pm : link
Who they thought might challenge a guy like Curtis Painter (when a border liner like Carr might bounce next year).

I trust in Reese and TC, not the mouthbreathing, keyboard cocks and troglodytes that sometimes patrol BBI and make ridiculous statements.

(And a quick disclaimer...I wasn't a big Nassib fan while he played for my beloved Orangemen. So it's not blind love here folks)

Forgot to Note Josh Brown  
clatterbuck : 8/18/2013 10:57 pm : link
and special teams as a positive.
Stop with the Herzlich stuff  
wonderback : 8/18/2013 10:58 pm : link
He stinks. I'm not even going to give you the boilerplate, "great story" line. I've seen him enough. For whatever reason, cancer, the rod in his leg - he can't play. Stop it already.

Give Ojomo something other than fourth quarter play. Boy, our head coach can be a stubborn SOB.

Cut DD. What's worse than stinks? The guy can't play anymore. How can they not see that.

Cox looks good. We found another Bradshaw.

We need to find a center who doesn't break down every other game. This guy is just to beat up right now to play quality minutes, and I know, we don't really have a backup center. This might be our biggest problem moving forward.

Play Brewer and Pugh. They need reps. It's the only way they can get better, and we need them to.
My mom texted me  
Adam XLII : 8/18/2013 10:59 pm : link
"Dave Deal is terrible!!"

Which means, now it's beyond obvious.
Did Curry look as bad in person  
bc4life : 8/18/2013 11:01 pm : link
as he did on my TV?
I tried to focus on Pugh as much as possible,  
Jim in Forest Hills : 8/18/2013 11:04 pm : link
did see him give up one pressure, other than that he looked very solid. Footwork looked great, although the DE he was facing had no burst to the edge.

I really hope Nassib miraculously develops because I can't stand watching Carr's brutal QBing. I imagine Painter's similarly bad.

Aaron Curry looks like he has no speed left at all.

I like Tracy and Trattou, going to be tough between them.

Andre brown looks great, if we can get 16 games out of this kid, he's 10TDs plus.
Saw most of Nassib's games at SU  
oldutican : 8/18/2013 11:05 pm : link
I liked what I saw. It is beyond unfair to judge him as a rookie in his 2nd pre-season game. Wish he could make it through to practice squad. Who knows?
Andrew Luck not only threw...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 11:13 pm : link
...guided missiles out there... He deftly avoided the blitz buying time for himself or running for significant yardage. He surely outplayed Eli... Then again, Luck didn't have Dunkin Donuts at RT.
If the Giants wasted two draft picks to put Nassib on the Practice  
fredgbrown : 8/18/2013 11:13 pm : link
squad their scouting personnel needs to be fired.
Two games in a row Austin has showed life...  
Torrag : 8/18/2013 11:14 pm : link
Connor has won the MLB job imo....as expected.

The first team interior run D was much better tonight.

JT looked good.

Myers is struggling to adapt to this offense.

Weatherford is in mid season form.

Hosley has yet to find the consistency required at CB.

Ross is playing well. The INT/TD was a fluke.

Jacquain Williams play has been on a nice uptick.

Ojomo is a natural pass rushing beast. It's time to get him some meaningful reps and see if he can do it against top comp.
Hosley  
bc4life : 8/18/2013 11:16 pm : link
didn't get deep enough on the TD. Overall the coverages did not look too bad, except too much room on those quick outs to the wr.
Eli didn't look great in this offense  
Peter from CT : 8/18/2013 11:20 pm : link
during his second preseason game ever either. Threw the same kind of ball into the ground that Nassib did tonight. The game needs to slow down for him. He needs to play with some people that can play the game. He'll be fine.

Just not in the next two weeks.
The issue I had with Ross or maybe Fewell  
Jim in Forest Hills : 8/18/2013 11:21 pm : link
is why was he 10 yds off the LOS on 1st down? They gashed for 8 yards with DHB twice seeing that.
O'Hara derailed our 2010 season  
SHO'NUFF : 8/18/2013 11:21 pm : link
and DD derailed our 2012...because Coughlin was in denial.
Agree...Curry looked rather slow...  
PonderingObserver : 8/18/2013 11:22 pm : link
on that edge run. No burst or acceleration...maybe he should watch some film on Patrick Willis etc...
Yeah, no blind love for the Cuse product  
HomerJones45 : 8/18/2013 11:24 pm : link
from the devoted Cuse contingent. Check. If he had "Bomar" on his back, you guys would be calling for his head.

We can at least put the "Nassib as the backup" delusion to bed. We are either keeping 3 qb's or putting him on the practice squad.
I don't think there's any chance Nassib would pass waivers  
Torn Tendon : 8/18/2013 11:27 pm : link
too many teams had him as one of the better QBs in the draft. Someone would put a claim in for him.
Nassib as the backup?  
B in ALB : 8/18/2013 11:32 pm : link
Who the fuck ever said that? Did Carr suddenly evaporate into the brain fart-riddled air that was just created by the neurons that just fired out of your melon?
hahaha  
GMenLTS : 8/18/2013 11:36 pm : link
I think one of my favorite things about this site is that the stupid attacks nearly every topic with literally no prejudice. On any side of an argument, you can bet your ass neurons are firing in any and every direction one can possibly imagine.

THEY. WILL. NOT. PUT. NASSIB. ON.  
kickerpa16 : 8/18/2013 11:37 pm : link
THE. PRACTICE. SQUAD.
Can we please put that simple  
kickerpa16 : 8/18/2013 11:38 pm : link
idea to bed as well?
The only question about which QB will be off  
section125 : 8/18/2013 11:41 pm : link
the squad is between Painter and Carr.
Good. Lord.  
B in ALB : 8/18/2013 11:41 pm : link
From the anally sublime to the fisting subliminal.

BBI.
Doesn't matter  
Marty866b : 8/18/2013 11:43 pm : link
Who the Giant backup QB is going to be. We won't win a single game if either Carr,Painter, or Nassib have to play. IMO,that being the case, I would only keep Nassib. You can pick up a veteran qb certainly as good as Carr or Painter off the street. I wouldn't waste a roster spot on a a qb as inept as Carr or Painter.
Kickerpa16 - Homerjones is never going to give up on this Nassib  
fredgbrown : 8/18/2013 11:44 pm : link
to the practice squad nonsense. The Giants are not going to give up on him after one training camp after they made the investment they did.
fredge  
kickerpa16 : 8/18/2013 11:47 pm : link
I know.

But that's your Syracuse loyalty showing through?!?
fredgbrown = 2nd biggest Cuse homer on BBI.  
B in ALB : 8/18/2013 11:49 pm : link
.
They really do need  
TheNeumann64 : 8/19/2013 12:00 am : link
to find a way to get Nassib in there before he's with guys where the only "offense" he can run is hand-offs or getting sacked. It would be great if they could find a way to get him in with the 2's, but if Eli plays into the 3rd next week, and then Painter gets the kind of time Carr did today, Nassib may not play at all against the Jets, which would really be a shame.
we can drop Carr and Painter...  
SHO'NUFF : 8/19/2013 12:06 am : link
they will still be available on their respective couches if the unfathomable happens...
On ESPN.com's highlights of the Ross non-INT/Wayne TD...  
Bramton1 : 8/19/2013 1:13 am : link
"If this play happened on XBox, you would think the game was cheating."
I am so not looking forward to  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/19/2013 1:26 am : link
another year of this Diehl bullshit. It is fucking maddening.
Everyone talks about Ojomo, who looks great against  
Bobby Epps : 8/19/2013 1:45 am : link
3d team players. Maybe we should give him a try against 2d team opposing players.

BUT, the player IMO that already looks good against 2d team players is Trattou. I'd like to see Trattou against 1st team opposing defenses.

IMO Shaun Rogers did not look good but Patterson has a VERY QUICK 1ST STEP and looked very good.
Mathius Kiwanuka quote on our defense now.  
COLT46 : 8/19/2013 6:05 am : link
“We’re talking about issues that are coming up before the ball is even snapped,” he said. “I mean, we are not even aligned properly and that’s what we’ve got to correct. Those are the struggles you have in every preseason, but at some point you have to look at it and say, ‘OK, this is not going to happen anymore.’”

WOW !
Nassib  
DCJeff : 8/19/2013 6:44 am : link
I read an article several months ago that said that there is a gentlemen's agreement among the GMs not to claim 1st year QBs put on the practice squad. The article said that after year one, all bets are off but as it stood then a team could safely put their QB pick on the practice squad without risking losing him. Of course this is not a rule so there could be one GM willing to take the heat and blow up the agreement.

I can't believe McCants did not get one mention in this thread. If DD was awful, McCants was god awful. He doesn't even get a piece of the guy in front of him when he is on the inside.
Nassib to PS question  
ij_reilly : 8/19/2013 6:53 am : link
If the Giants try to slip Nassib to the PS, and some other team picks him up, doesn't the other team have to include Nassib in their 53-man roster?

I'm not sure any team would do that.
Have to remind myself its preseason  
dcgiantsfan : 8/19/2013 6:54 am : link
Positives:
- Run D looked better...good push up the gut
- Running game showed some life
- Pugh, although I would have liked to see him at RT

Negatives:
- Diehl, he seems to be as much of a drive killer as Killdrive...the first sack he gave up on a play action was horrible and destroyed the drive!
- Deadzone offense, I, and I'm pretty sure over half of BBI, knew that freakin draw was coming on first and goal which resulted in a loss of two or three yards! It's a wasted down IMO when we run that play.
- Hosely, he seems to always be just close enough to make a play but never does
- Lack of containment in front 7...several times the DE and LBs crashed down hard which allowed sizable gains on the outside....not going to be a plus against Bob, Vick, etc.

Looking ahead:
- At the end of the day, this team needs to make it thru preseason healthy
- Have to replace DIehl
- LAck of LB talent will need to be overcome by a stout DLine
- I'm hoping they arent wanting to show what they have in Myers, cuz he's shown nothing
I hope coughlin gave them an earful last night  
95cobraguy : 8/19/2013 7:37 am : link
10 penalties, 6 sacks-putrid
Diehl was fucking disgraceful, how the hell do they start the season with him on the O-line?
The tight ends looked absolutely clueless
That receiver hardy was brutal, that pass from eli hit him in the hands, would've been a sure TD
Cox looked real good, hopefully they find a way to implement him into the offense
Offense looked predictable as hell and if this team has the same problem as last year scoring touchdowns they'll be another 9 win/no playoffs team
The tandem of wilson/brown at running back should be solid
Tuck had a nice game and a nice blocked pass
Fluke play on the ross near INT, i trust his veteran instinct out there
I never want to see carr again, his throwing motion and his pocket awareness is beyond atrocious
The nassib pick still makes zero sense to me
We have a serious problem at LB, i see alot of nickel defense this year
God help this defense under fewell again


Synopsis  
Ron From NYC : 8/19/2013 7:54 am : link
I was at the game, what I saw:

Pro's

- Andre Brown and Michael Cox can play. RB's should be ok.
- Shaun Rogers looked good, stood out when I focused on watching the DT's.
- Tuck played well, active.
- Good to see Hakeem out there, he got open and Eli hit him a couple of times. He will be fine.
- Other than the crazy TD, I thought Aaron Ross played ok.
- Hosley is a player.
- Trumane McBride will make the team.
- Beatty has developed into a very good LT. Has a motor, made a nice tackle on a turnover (wished he didn't, it's preseason and he doesn't need to hurt himself). Pugh looked solid at LT
- Our kicking game is strong. Brown is an upgrade over Tynes. Weatherford is terrific.
- I thought Carr was ok when not taking a hit. With the starters, I think he's a servicable #2. We'll see what Painter does next week. Season is over if Eli goes down regardless of who the #2 is.

Con's

- Diehl, why isn't Pugh getting snaps at RT?
- Wilson should be better than he is, doesn't seem to follow his blocks well.
- Yes, Eli was rushed. But, he should have hit a few more throws. A few of those bad ones are on him.
- Our LB's are not good.
- When Cruz went down, it was noticable. Wasn't impressed with Murphy.
- Did Ruben Randle play?
- JPP missing the pre-season. We really need him to come back healthy. Our only true impact player on defense.
Ron  
95cobraguy : 8/19/2013 8:06 am : link
Yea randle played, had a couple of nice catches. Weatherford is in mid season form, his punts were great. Agreed about eli, some of those throws are on him, he made a few bad ones.
...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 8/19/2013 8:07 am : link
Really not impressed with anything I saw last night. This team has a lot of work to do before September 8th.
Yes, it's preseason, BUT  
Gman11 : 8/19/2013 8:09 am : link
there are a number of things that have been going on for years and they don't appear to be solved.

Pass defense. Luck completed 9 of his last 10 throws. Of course, when you play 10 yards off the receiver that 9 yard hitch is open all day.

Red (Green, whatever) Zone offense. Putrid. Field goals when you get inside the 10 don't cut it.

Lack of containment of the QB. So, you got a nice pass rush on the blitz? Then, Luck scrambles looking like Steve Young.

No Rolle, or Webster, or Pierre Paul, or Moore.  
Crispino : 8/19/2013 8:15 am : link
The one TD was a pick that fluked. Lets not write off the defense based on this. At full strength, over the course of a game, the depth on our D line will yield plenty of pressure and that's where our strength will be. Patience.
Also played  
PEEJ : 8/19/2013 8:19 am : link
all but one series without Baas and Cruz
Not Heard About These  
Percy : 8/19/2013 8:28 am : link
Hankins got bullied out there. Needs the weight room or something. Did not hear (and would like to) anything about Moore, Snee, Ross, Kiwanuka, Brewer, Frederick last night. Agree that the TEs looked lost and ineffective.
Percy  
Ron From NYC : 8/19/2013 8:37 am : link
Moore was inactive, didn't play.
That was a brutal game...  
rptl530 : 8/19/2013 8:40 am : link
to watch.

Pretty disappointing.
You were at the game and missed the Randle plays?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 8:45 am : link
He looked the most ready out of everyone on the field. Really excited for him.

Kiwanuka looked strong out there.
Percy?  
Gman11 : 8/19/2013 8:56 am : link
You didn't hear anything about Ross? He made the play of the week, but not in a good way.
Went out, rushed  
jLefty : 8/19/2013 9:01 am : link
back to watch 7 pm start.No picture. came on in second quarter. Wilson made a nice play on catch. Nicks got a twenty yarder. Cox made good kick return. No picture when I returned from kitchen.Getting my info from this discussion thread.Lot of good posts.
that was an everything that can go wrong went wrong kind of game  
Peter from CT : 8/19/2013 9:09 am : link
Both TDs against were fluky -- the Ross play doesn't happen again 1 in 100 times. The Hosley touchdown was an unreal throw where the receivers second foot was within a half inch of being out of bounds.

A series of big 15 yard penalties (including on the coach) most of which were for silly fouls.

The biggest thing that is obvious to everyone is that DD can't (pass) block anymore. Receivers can't get uncovered if you don't give the QB anytime. Hopefully, the loyalty to DD is fleeting. Otherwise it is going to be a long year.
rptl  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/19/2013 9:14 am : link
amen to that

I took mrs gidiefor to the game with me and she keep asking me what was wrong

My observations:
The Colts don't have a good run game and playing against them I don't think our run defense was all that good - the Colts kept hammering away at our gut and marching down the field - everyone was happy that they stopped the runner - but they kept giving up yardage - 3 to 7 yards a pop - they also kept failing to stop the colts on third down - it was maddening

On offense - we do not look strong in the power running game at all! Wilson showed good burst and made a few plays but he looked mediocre running into the line. Brown looked better up the gut but not great - the few plays he made were power sweep runs - and not all of them worked - the first 4down play was pathetic - the second one worked.

Eli had pressure in his face all night - and it looked at a certain point that the offense was just lackluster and not up to the game. Deihl was embarrassing - he was playing with a cast on his hand and he looked embarrassed and red faced constantly. He nearly got Eli killed.

Randle looked good - Wilson whiffed on a block that had Eli running for his life.
Hosely looked Awful to me and Luck was picking on him all night.

I thought Nassib showed good poise again - and that he made a few nice plays- to me he looks a heck of a lot better out there than Carr. Carr is not a great QB for as long as he has been playing and looks wooden out there and has a lot of nervous energy. Whatever - we are fucked when ELi packs it in or is out of the game - why bother keeping an average QB like Carr or Painter - give Nassib the roster spot in my opinion and let the kid learn. Do not waste a roster spot on keeping 3 qbs! We need all the help we can get everywhere that is not a skill position - Oline, DLine, Secondary, LBs -

Tuck played well last night - that was a bright spot - Connor played okay - and so did Williams. Josh Brown is a great addition to the team - he's got a real strong leg. In practice he was hitting 60 yd field goals. He kicks deep on kickoffs consistently, and he kept the runbacks from happening with his boomers. He also made the field goals.

Without Baas in there the Oline is torrid. I just don't get how the defense as a unit wouldn't be totally embarrassed with the way they played the run last night.
Louis Murphy Question...  
Tark10 : 8/19/2013 9:16 am : link
We've been told that Murphy was signed because he's fast and can stretch the defense. Not one deep ball to Murphy through the first two games. Is Gilbride saving this for the regular season?
When Snee, Bass, and Hynoski are not playing  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 9:17 am : link
then yes, the power run game between the tackles is going to look poor.

Remember, they're playing with replacements now.

It's Boothe, Cordle, Mosely and Pascoe. THat's not what it's supposed to be.
Tark...  
drkenneth : 8/19/2013 9:18 am : link
They tried to go deep to Murphy on one of the first plays.
I like Trattou but I think Ojomo seems the better pass rusher  
Curtis in VA : 8/19/2013 9:20 am : link
and more athletic of the two.

I know he's only been playing against backups but its not really fair to use that against him when he hasn't even been given the chance to go against the starters because they have 50 million defensive linemen on the roster.

When he's on the field, you know it. He led the team in sacks last preseason and could very well do it again this preseason. Scrubs or not, that has to count for something.

It would be a shame to see him go some place else and become a productive player right around the time where Tuck and Kiwi are entering the last leg of their careers as productive starters.

I know Tracy is the favorite and he's had a good camp (all 17 practices) and he has a cute little nickname but he hasn't had nearly the same impact or presence that Ojomo has.

They picked this guy up off the street. Every once in a while you get lucky with these street FA's and when you do, you should hold onto them.
The bomb to cruz happened because Murphy was double-covered.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 9:21 am : link
(Why would you ever double cover that guy over Cruz?)

Colt  
JoefromPa : 8/19/2013 9:22 am : link
in regard to you comment about confusion on the defense, that seems to be Fewell's MO.

How else can you explain how superb athletes look so utterly defenseless, literally, on so many 3rd downs.
oh yeah  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/19/2013 9:22 am : link
Rivers looked okay too - In my mind the starting LB corps is Rivers, Williams and Connor
After last year, I'm not convinced they're going to play any of these  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 9:23 am : link
kids anyway. When Tuck was sucking wind and injured and JPP played the whole season on a bad back, how good were the coaches at mixing in the kids last year?

They've got some nice-looking groceries but the head chef just wants mac and cheese every night.
maybe there is something to the Fewell  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/19/2013 9:27 am : link
criticism ie confusion out there on the line and in the field - on paper this should be a better team than last year - and so far they look the same as last year.

To Tommy Coughlin - I hope to god this is not the way we will look this year and that this is just preseason shakeout - something has to be done to improve the defensive game performance for the season or we will all be screaming:

Mayday! Mayday! Mayday!!!!

When Wilson  
jLefty : 8/19/2013 9:29 am : link
had a running play it was always a draw.Eli gets a long snap and then hands off to Wilson who is buried before he starts.
perry's blitzing  
area junc : 8/19/2013 9:30 am : link
is just a trainwreck
The run defense looked good  
Torn Tendon : 8/19/2013 9:32 am : link
but since the Colts aren't a very good running team, I can't get too excited.

It's a shame the game where the #1's play the most is going to vs. the Jets train wreck. I'd like it to have been a better team.

Pats game will be a better test, "if" the #1's play more than 1-2 series.
Tark  
GiantsFan84 : 8/19/2013 9:35 am : link
he's saving it for the final game of the season.

Just like he saved the Wilson wheel route for the last game of the season against Philly when the season was over...
Last night's game reminded me if the  
Some Fan : 8/19/2013 9:56 am : link
Giants of the 70s.
And at the very least the Pugh era should begin in earnest  
Some Fan : 8/19/2013 9:58 am : link
now.
Wilson just isn't an instinctive runner  
Greg from LI : 8/19/2013 9:59 am : link
He's a phenomenal athlete, and when he gets some room he can explode, but his ability to read blocks and sniff out a hole are terrible. Compare that to Andre Brown. Hell, compare that to Cox last night - both of those guys can find a crease somewhere else when the hole's not there. Right now, Wilson doesn't do that and Brown clearly should start with Wilson as the changeup back.

And my other favorite turkey, Hosley, flat out fucking sucks.
Hosley  
AcidTest : 8/19/2013 10:02 am : link
and Ross have the same problem, namely playing the ball in the air. They are in position, but routinely mistime jumps, etc. You also have to remember that Luck made some incredible throws. Most QBs wouldn't have even attempted that throw to Hilton in the back of the end zone.
Took Tiki a few years to learn to read blocks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 10:04 am : link
and not go full speed all the time too.
yes it did  
Greg from LI : 8/19/2013 10:07 am : link
Wilson CAN learn to do so, but he's not there yet. I know everyone likes to blame the line or the playcalling for his inconsistency, but most of it is on him.
I agree with TTH.  
Curtis in VA : 8/19/2013 10:08 am : link
Wilson is probably used to being able to use his speed from college. He's going to have to learn patience. Cox had no choice but to be patient in college because his offensive line was abysmal lol
It's weird how some runners have that ability at a young age  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 10:13 am : link
and some don't.


I watched a highlight last night, I can't remember what team or RB, but he had nice screen in front of him and LB pursuit behind him. All he did was run past his blocks and up a lineman's back. Probably could've convoy'd it for a big play but he just took himself out of a good play with impatience.


To this day, that game Tiki played against the Raiders his last year when he picked his way through a minefield of blockers, I've never seen a guy do it better. ANd he was probably going 75% there.
Wilson's vision has already improved, imo  
islander1 : 8/19/2013 10:24 am : link
it just was awful last year. It's still not great, but man...even when he gets hit, it's got to be a direct hit to bring him down. Some of his failed runs were terrible play calls/blocking. Like that first down draw. *yawn* any of us could have predicted that - and Kildrive is surprised it's -3 yards because...

Cox looks good, yes, but again, against scrubs. Not his fault, but it is what it is. I do think Scott needs to start considering his future soon. Cox is our third best running back, period. An excellent find.

I wonder (still) if Hosley's biggest problem is his height. He can cover a guy well but he literally can't afford any mistakes against a WR if that WR is 6+ inches taller.

Is he a "Player"? Absolutely. A career backup/nickel, and special teamer, though.
The best Giants player  
YANKEE28 : 8/19/2013 10:39 am : link
on the field last night has not even been mentioned yet on this thread-S David Caldwell. Special teams, deep coverage, and especially coming up to make tackles on running plays, these guy was impressive throughout.
The skills Cox is showing seems like they'd translate well  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 10:44 am : link
to first-team play.
I think Wilson has improved his vision  
Some Fan : 8/19/2013 10:46 am : link
based on last night. Some guys just don't ever have that knack though. Llike Hershel they just cannot run instinctively. Wilson may be like Hershel but he has improved from last year.
Guess I'll watch it again..  
Tark10 : 8/19/2013 10:57 am : link
drkenneth. Thanks..
Cox just looked very fluid and natural  
Greg from LI : 8/19/2013 11:16 am : link
He's got enough wiggle to make the first guy miss and seems to have a nose for open space.
YANKEE 28  
Marty866b : 8/19/2013 11:22 am : link
If Caldwell was #41, you are right.
Regarding our backup QB situation...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 8/19/2013 11:40 am : link
if Eli were to go down right now, Car is the ONLY guy who has a snowballs chance in hell of winning a game for us. That is not an endorsement that Carr is a good QB. Instead, it shows you how piss poor our backup QBs are AT THE MOMENT (pending further development).

Do Perry Fewell blitzes EVER work  
GmenDynasty : 8/19/2013 11:55 am : link
it seems like 95% of the time the offense wins on any play we blitz.

Also that mathias quote...wow...confusion is rampant. The only thing that will stop this D from being good is a coordinator that has them totally confused.

Once again we have no choice but to hope THEY finally somehow get on the same page.....I hope we don't throw this year away b/c our system still isn't 'player-friendly'

Ahh...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/19/2013 11:58 am : link
I see a fuckstick rattles off the same beat as a drumstick.
Wow  
geemanfan : 8/19/2013 12:05 pm : link
There is no game plan for pre season. I for one hate the way Tom substitutes players. Why not give Pugh some first team reps? Why wait until the 4th to play Cox? Could Nassib be that much worse then Painter or Carr? We will never find out because he gets stuck with the bottom of the barrel for WR's and O line.Tom has his own method but I cant wait for pre season to be over.
want to save a roster spot then  
xman : 8/19/2013 12:09 pm : link
then skip carrying these qb backup stiffs
Last night  
old man : 8/19/2013 12:32 pm : link
was just one of those nights when even the right play turns out wrong:the Ross play, obviously; the foot barely in on the TD, the bench penalty after a good gain; the D getting in the backfield often on the blitz but poor containment.
That said, some things are now obvious:
-DD needs to go(I think JohnM and JR will talk to TC today about that 'play the kids earlier' conversation they had).
-Pascoe is NOT a lead FB: he missed hitting his man at least 2x that I noticed.
-Even a blind Giants fan knew that draw play in the green zone was coming, and yes, where were the deeps to Murphy(or anybody other than VC)? We fail there because we are predictable there.

I do have a question: are cuts mandatory after p-s game 2 now, or is it still all after 3(to70), then 4(to 53)?
old man  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2013 12:37 pm : link
On that deep to Cruz, murphy ran a good long route, but he was double covered. They showed the replay of it and why he took the longshot to cruz.

Haven't seem much of Murphy this camp but it seems like teams do respect his speed.
Nassib  
NewBlue : 8/19/2013 12:42 pm : link
He does not look good and by virture of his rookie status we all assume he is years away....but given the recent developments in Seattle, DC, Indy (yes I know he is not in their caliber) this guy is the all time leader in passing for Syracuse...some thought he was 1st round material, is it at all possible that he comes along quick with this pre-season experience and becomes the number 2? David Carr seems to have regressed, and I really wonder if he could be a much better option for a few games than Nassib
Believe Wilson  
jLefty : 8/19/2013 12:56 pm : link
is going to be an incredi9ble RB. Like Tiki only better.Don't buy the "lack of instinct."
Nassib  
nyynyg : 8/19/2013 12:59 pm : link
judging the guy when he is playing with most guys who won't even be on the roster?

And secondly, if anything else, it should be clear, we are hosed with anyone not Eli. Put me in the camp of Eli and Nassib. Is Nassib ready to be backup, absolutely not. But if Eli goes down, games are a write off. Save the roster spot and if the awful happens and Eli goes down, give the kid reps.
jlefty  
Tuckrule : 8/19/2013 1:40 pm : link
like tiki only better? You sure you were watching the giants and a guy named tiki, last name, barber.
Nicks seemed tentative in his cuts last night  
Simms11 : 8/19/2013 1:41 pm : link
and appeared to shy away from contact. I really think he's protecting himself right now and that there is nothing else wrong with him, as some have mentioned. He'll be fine once the real bullets start flying IMO.

If Eli gets blocking, and that's a big if, this passing game can be really good. We need the right side solidified. Snee and Diehl need to step up or our passing game will struggle. Eli was erractic last night, in part, because of teh pressure he was getting; mostly from the right side. Do we put a TE on that side to help more. I think Diehl will need a ton of help over there for us to be successful.
We're going to carry three QB's for the first time in years  
Torrag : 8/19/2013 3:04 pm : link
Nassib won't clear waivers so forget the practice squad. he's also not ready to be the primary backup. God forbid Eli gets dinged and maybe misses a start or two. If you go with Nassib you're not giving your squad a chance to compete in those games.

Thank God those suggesting an Eli/Nassib only tandem aren't managing the team.
Nassib  
nomad1986 : 8/19/2013 3:09 pm : link
pretty much looked like Kurt Warner trying to run Coughlin's offense. Drop back look at the first read and if he's covered well freeze until sacked. Hopefully the OL doesn't get Eli killed and Nassib has the 2 to 3 years he'll need to learn the offense or the coaching staff changes and all the rookies don't need 2 or 3 years anymore.
That deep pass early was to Cruz. Not Murphy.  
Tark10 : 8/19/2013 5:22 pm : link
Which brings back my question. Why no deep passes to Murphy as yet??
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