and that has been a consistent ongoing issue that needs to be fixed.. and I am confident of this thing.. the defense will be mediocre as Fewell is the DC..
(including me) is there simply because we cannot lineup and just smash them in the mouth. Notice also on those short yardage situations we run away from the interior of the line? We have been doing that for a while. No confidence that our line can beat the men directly in front of them. Instead, it is easier for us to create a mismatch on the outside.
The preseason nature of this game seemed more obvious to me than normal even with the starters. You had some guys in there at WR that won't be part of the action when bullets start flying. Perhaps that had something to do with the rather vanilla playcalling.
Looked pretty bad in a lot of areas. And I hate to say it but for a 2 time superbowl MVP Eli can sure look really bad at times. Most likely has Deihlitis though because when Locklear was playing last year Eli was much better.
The RZ play calling/design is almost as bizarrely frustrating to me Â
Execution doesn't get a pass, but what they continue to try to do is never going to yield a great RZ offense, no matter what the personnel is. The best they're going to get is all right and that's only if the run game steps up big (even if it's weak in between the 20s).
I'm not so sure he even deserves a spot on the 53 man roster at this point. He is going to get Eli demolished soon. We need Pugh to grab the starting RT spot. Brewer provides versatility and depth, and it looks like he's had a good camp. Cut Diehl, and see what veteran LB's are available on cut down day.
No mention of Ojomo yet. He continue to dominate when he was Â
We play very undisciplined football. We lose contain, and have a lot of stupid penalties.
We have problems on the OL. DD is beyond awful, and should be cut. Pugh should start ahead of him right now. I'd pick up a veteran for a third tackle. Baas was never that good, and is chronically hurt. Cordle, Brewer, and Mosley are the best remaining. The rest are awful.
Eli and Myers had some miscommunications. Robinson looks like he is too heavy.
Nicks looks like he is still hurting. Hope Cruz is OK. Randle looks very good.
Some good play from the DL. Austin had some pressure, but I still think it's going to be hard for him to make the team.
Nothing really from the LBs. Connor is much better than Herzlich, who I'm afraid should be cut. The rest are just bodies frankly. Reese was limited this offseason, so this is what we get.
Ross and Hosley don't seem to be able to play the ball.
part of a scrambling play that Eli and KG prefer over the boring pocket passing. Eli looks like he had that play down pat almost. The DEs get a false sense of a sack and over pursue while Eli evades them for the throw.
there's good talent there and it's going to be difficult to get it to 4 or 5. I just wish we had a bit more at LB, I like Williams and I think if Rivers and Curry stay healthy have something, but that still looks an MLB short. Our system requires the MLB to be able to drop quickly in coverage and we don't have that at all.
They've won two Super Bowls with David Diehl -- a lot of football games along the way with the lunchpail warrior.
In all seriousness, we can come to a consensus all we want, but DD is going to be the starting RT this season. There's legit no reason to think otherwise, no matter what Pugh does or Brewer does. Eli is just going to have buck up and somehow play like 2011, when he turned shit into gold.
all of the offensive woes on David Diehl. He's a problem, but he's not THE problem. Obviously he, along with the rest of the offense, played well enough to get the team set up in the Redzone a couple times.
The fact that the Giants can't punch the ball in is indication of much more serious issues with the offense that have been carried over from last season and need to be addressed. For some reason people have a hard time accepting this.
I may be confusing Pugh with someone else. Incidentally, I thought the starting OL blocked pretty well for the run game. ANd our d-line was very stout!!!
missed his block on that 4th down play in the green zone on our first possession. It was as if he was running his own play. Did not even look at the guy he was supposed to block.
Should have been cut in the offseason. If he starts the only possible upside is that it could lead to Clowney being on the Giants next year after Eli is mauled by Ware/Orakpo/Cole.
I want Pugh to start next week. Diehl can't move his feet quickly enough and he doesn't push his man back in run blocking.
I think DD begins the season as the starting RT, but as time goes on Â
Pugh will gain enough experience in practice to overtake him. The bye occurs in week 9; I think Pugh is named the starter during that time, and starts his first game at home against a bad Raiders team in week 10. Just my guess.
was Pugh's first time out. He played decently. DD was just being beaten by like a drum. I agree with whoever said that we really aren't getting any push up the middle. We have an aging, injured, inexperienced OL. Eli's pocket presence might not be enough to overcome that problem.
Liked what I saw from Cox.
Barden made a few catches, but does anyone really take him seriously as a WR at this point?
Bottom line: OL and LB are the biggest problems on this team.
is the one right before the Giants punted while they were busy talking to Urlacher. I wanted to see that play again, but they were too busy blathering on to maybe worry about the actual game. That shit was annoying
The good- Run D looked stout
Tuck and kiwi played well
Wilson is a special player who runs like ,mccoy/jcharles
Will beatty if he stays healthy can be a phenomenal tackle
The bad- diehl, diehl, diehl, and diehl
He just gets abused in every aspect
The oline except for beatty seemed very shaky at best and is a huge concern moving forward especially with the injury to baas
Redzone needs to be fixed we have all of these weapons in cruz randle nicks and wilson, we should not be settling for field goals as much as we do
David Diehl is fucking awful. Andre Brown looked better and shiftier than David Wilson. Browns vision is far better than Wilsons. Pugh looked solid when he was in.
Cruz had both the cb and safety beat but Eli hung it up there.
Eli to me still needs to get on the same page with Nicks.
Giants looked slow on O and looked better on run defense.
Marvin Austin had a couple of real good plays... Â
Of the handful of plays I saw, Pugh's man didn't even get off the block. I'll get a more accurate view when I watch the entire game without interruptions.
When on offense I only watched him while the 1s were in. He made a block or maybe two in pass pro. The other plays he was either beat or had a RB double his guy.
Seriously, I am not buying this stuff that Pugh and Brewer Â
haven't shown enough to unseat DD. It's more of Coughlin's comfort level thing again. Saw it with Ware vs. Brown. It didn't make sense then and it still doesn't.
think Austin helped himself, as he did last week, but I just don't know if it's enough. OTOH, he is a second round pick, and that plus any spark of ability might be enough to earn him one more year.
Diehl was beaten so quickly that plays don't have any chance to Â
I thought Rivers looked great out there tonight. He was playing fast out there, chasing down ball carriers and receivers. He destroyed the fullback on one run up the middle and created a pile, very Carl Banks-esque. He looked like a former high first round pick tonight in his limited duty.
The defensive line over all did a much better job vs. the run today. Rogers was more active out there, clogging up the middle. As did Joseph, Patterson, and Jenkins. Granted the Colts are not a good running team, but that was much improved out there.
And if the Giants can ever get Will Hill to get his head on straight, this guy looks like a player. When he hits guys, they go right down. He had a few good hits out there.
Also, for me, Josh Brown is on this team to hit long field goals. That's why that strange unsportsmanlike foul on Coughlin wasn't a bad thing. I'd rather see him try from 45 than from 30. Tynes lost his job because he lost leg strength. Seeing 2 long field goals from him go through easily was a big plus.
Reese really did want to cut DD in the offseason and also has the final say over the 53, then it's going to be really interesting to see whether he cuts DD over Coughlin's objections. I'd just get rid of him for a veteran who doesn't survive the last round of cuts. Get another Locklear type player. That and Eli's pocket presence should be enough. It just isn't enough when DD is beaten two microseconds after the snap. Diehl is fucking up the entire offense.
practices has on talent evaluation. Fewer snaps must make it difficult for a coaching staff to say definitively that so and so has beaten out so and so. These preseason games may prove to be more important on that front than they have in the past.
I agree....TC for whatever reason doesn't let newbies come and play with the 1's even thou they appear to be better performers...... I think at this point, why not take a preseason game to give Pugh or Brewer a shot.....I understand assignment but if you cant come close to executing what's the point..... You gotta get these young Guys some experience.
At this point, I'd take a chance on what that donut mascot of theirs could do at RT instead of Diehl, but the team isn't going to make any moves there, barring injury (especially with Baas hurt yet again). It's not just Coughlin, but Reese too -- that seems to be clear when JR talks and goes on about how they've won a lot of games with Diehl, etc.
Again, it's going to just be on Eli and his pocket presence to save the day. He did in 2011, and, while perhaps not something we can fairly expect out of him on a season to season, consistent basis, perhaps he can channel it back for 2013.
Yes I know that it is still preseason but the Giants just looked bad in so many aspects and for a team that has SB aspirations it was alarming.
Offense- With the amount of skill position talent that this team has the redzone offense has been awful not just tonight but for several years now.
Eli should not be 8/17 in any game.
Nicks looked like he was at 70% with no explosion
This OL just doesnt run block well and it is rare when they move the pile. This OL is such a far cry from the 2008 line which was the best in the leauge.
Diehl--well no need to beat a dead horse
Defense-LB are not good..getting to average would be and upgrade
CB--with the exception of Amukamara they all scare me
time at RT. I really don't care it its Pugh or Brewer but if TC decides to start DD then 2 Superbowl wins be damned, he needs to retire because he's fucking blind or senile.
For the life in me, I can't understand why the Giants Â
did not address this issue in free Agency?? The importance and priority in having a good Oline is huge!! Good teams focus on keeping their oline top notch, why did the Giants ignore it? Especially knowing Eli is key and he has so many weapons at his disposal??! Gilbride not helping that's for sure, but that's expected. They need to find a way to fix this issue or its going to be a long season for Eli and this offense..
in which the corners were at least 10 – 15 yards off the LOS allowing the Colts WRs to at least continue a drive and at most give them an opportunity to shuck the CB for a long gain. I think we have the same old Fewell…but I hope not.
"rationale" for keeping DD is apparently that he can play LT "in a pinch" if Beatty is hurt. Actually, he can't, and he's so bad I'd trust Pugh more at LT than Diehl. Get rid of Diehl and go with Beatty and Pugh as your starters, and a veteran from final cuts as your third tackle. People keep talking about Brewer as a RT, but I'm not seeing that right now. McCants doesn't belong in the league.
like this next week I will begin to worry but not this week.
Thought Pugh did well for his first game. Also looks like Cox is a keeper. Nicks definitely needs to practice. Run defense improved maybe at the cost of the pass defense. Really really tough decisions on the DL.
Really don't know how anyone can judge Nassib considering who his supporting case.
Anyone focus on Cordle at center?
Listening to the post-game
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interviews on WFAN. Everyone is laughing, joking around. They don't sound like they care.
IT'S PRESEASON! They haven't had a meaningful game in over eight months, and have played 2-3 quarters of game situation football since then! Hell, I heard a talking head call Mark Sanchez the best looking quarterback in the preseason so far!
Nassib continues to demonstrate that Jerry Reese and Tom Coughlin smoked crack together at least once in their lives.
Rookie QB, third and fourth string OL, second game of his career at the QB spot in the NFL. Despite that he threw two perfect screens to Cox who could have scored if he slowed down.
And this genius says the 2-time SB winning HC and GM are smoking rock.
Running back situation is reminding me of 2011 when we were all in panic mode about receivers/tight end which then became strength of the team. Wilson, Brown, Cox all looked very good. How did coaches at Michigan miss the boat on Cox?
Even with Cruz out, I still didn't understand the wide receiver personnel groupings unless they just were trying to get a look at different players and combinations. Barden, btw, just stinks.
Defensive line run D looked pretty good throughout. Broha, Ojomo just make plays.
On the other hand, Herzlich just doesn't make plays. Looks like it will be Conner in the middle.
Carr apparently doesn't see the middle of the field very well.
It's not like he cut him to save Coughlin from himself.
He couldn't pass a physical and be allowed onto a field. When the Dolphins showed interest in picking him up later, he wasn't able to pass for them either (though I know O'Hara likes to tell a slightly different story, about how he never got another chance and teams just assumed he couldn't play anymore).
he was cooked. I'm certainly no expert, but I'm not sure what positives the coaches thinks DD brings to the table at this point. He's more like a guy taking away dishes, knives, and forks. Now our offense can't eat.
If he didn't get time at RT, maybe it means the RT competition is between Diehl and Brewer. If not, I'd like them to have Pugh focus on one spot rather than bouncing around.
Coughlin clearly stated he wanted both Webster and DD back Â
“I think there’s no doubt they can definitely help the team. I do want them back. They can still contribute."
Quote:
“I always look at it the other way,’’ Coughlin said. “First of all I don’t ever want to lose any player, it’s not in my nature, I want ‘em all, but as Ahmad [Bradshaw] said, it’s a business. Change is inevitable so you approach it in such a way and try to be an optimist. Try to think about how we can help our football team through free agency, through the draft to recapture some of what has been lost, in a healthy way.’’
is still a problem Beatty made some outstanding blocks
I can't believe they can't replace DD the guy is Toast .
Cox might also be the best gunner on the team as well as a lock for the 3rd RB he see's the field he glides like
and always seems to lean forward he looks like a steal .
If Hill gets his head on straight he could probably start
on plenty of teams .
Agree wirh MS that one play with Rivers was just awful
I didn't key in on him but that one play stood out .
There will be some tough cuts at DT and WR .
Ojomo again just makes plays all over the place disruptive
great motor . I know you don't see many trades but we have a
glut of DT and lousy linebackers . I think Brown should start and soften them up for Wilson thats if we can get someone better than DD to open some holes the run blocking
was garbage .
fellow Cuse alum. I understand your passion and its certainly not fair go judge Nassib on these preseason games but a stretch of a pick. He wont play a down this year unless both Eli and either Carr or Painter(whoever the back up is) go down. Should have been made on a developmental LB ,OL, or even DB. Worse they are going to have to cut a player who may have helped now or down the line for am guy who very likely wont be on the Giants past his first contract.
I've seen in years...great seats...great company....great night to watch football...
sucky football with an annoying Colts fan running his mouth all game.
As said on this thread, Diehl was pretty bad in pass pro. Hated the red zone call on 1st-and-goal from the 5 out of the shotgun. I said to Boldruler...here we go with the draw play. Two yard loss. Sigh.
Coughlin or prevent the coaching staff from doing anything. He cut him because O'Hara physically couldn't get onto a football field, for the Giants or any team during that time frame.
There was no other choice, really. Little to nothing blind loyalty or whatever it is that keeps Diehl locked into a starting position could do about it.
through waivers onto the practice squad? I know it's just preseason and the line in front of him is atrocious, but he really doesn't have any standout physical attributes. I know it's either no chance or 1% at best, but do they even talk about it?
He stinks. I'm not even going to give you the boilerplate, "great story" line. I've seen him enough. For whatever reason, cancer, the rod in his leg - he can't play. Stop it already.
Give Ojomo something other than fourth quarter play. Boy, our head coach can be a stubborn SOB.
Cut DD. What's worse than stinks? The guy can't play anymore. How can they not see that.
Cox looks good. We found another Bradshaw.
We need to find a center who doesn't break down every other game. This guy is just to beat up right now to play quality minutes, and I know, we don't really have a backup center. This might be our biggest problem moving forward.
Play Brewer and Pugh. They need reps. It's the only way they can get better, and we need them to.
I liked what I saw. It is beyond unfair to judge him as a rookie in his 2nd pre-season game. Wish he could make it through to practice squad. Who knows?
...guided missiles out there... He deftly avoided the blitz buying time for himself or running for significant yardage. He surely outplayed Eli... Then again, Luck didn't have Dunkin Donuts at RT.
If the Giants wasted two draft picks to put Nassib on the Practice Â
during his second preseason game ever either. Threw the same kind of ball into the ground that Nassib did tonight. The game needs to slow down for him. He needs to play with some people that can play the game. He'll be fine.
Who the fuck ever said that? Did Carr suddenly evaporate into the brain fart-riddled air that was just created by the neurons that just fired out of your melon?
I think one of my favorite things about this site is that the stupid attacks nearly every topic with literally no prejudice. On any side of an argument, you can bet your ass neurons are firing in any and every direction one can possibly imagine.
Who the Giant backup QB is going to be. We won't win a single game if either Carr,Painter, or Nassib have to play. IMO,that being the case, I would only keep Nassib. You can pick up a veteran qb certainly as good as Carr or Painter off the street. I wouldn't waste a roster spot on a a qb as inept as Carr or Painter.
Kickerpa16 - Homerjones is never going to give up on this Nassib Â
to find a way to get Nassib in there before he's with guys where the only "offense" he can run is hand-offs or getting sacked. It would be great if they could find a way to get him in with the 2's, but if Eli plays into the 3rd next week, and then Painter gets the kind of time Carr did today, Nassib may not play at all against the Jets, which would really be a shame.
“We’re talking about issues that are coming up before the ball is even snapped,” he said. “I mean, we are not even aligned properly and that’s what we’ve got to correct. Those are the struggles you have in every preseason, but at some point you have to look at it and say, ‘OK, this is not going to happen anymore.’”
I read an article several months ago that said that there is a gentlemen's agreement among the GMs not to claim 1st year QBs put on the practice squad. The article said that after year one, all bets are off but as it stood then a team could safely put their QB pick on the practice squad without risking losing him. Of course this is not a rule so there could be one GM willing to take the heat and blow up the agreement.
I can't believe McCants did not get one mention in this thread. If DD was awful, McCants was god awful. He doesn't even get a piece of the guy in front of him when he is on the inside.
Positives:
- Run D looked better...good push up the gut
- Running game showed some life
- Pugh, although I would have liked to see him at RT
Negatives:
- Diehl, he seems to be as much of a drive killer as Killdrive...the first sack he gave up on a play action was horrible and destroyed the drive!
- Deadzone offense, I, and I'm pretty sure over half of BBI, knew that freakin draw was coming on first and goal which resulted in a loss of two or three yards! It's a wasted down IMO when we run that play.
- Hosely, he seems to always be just close enough to make a play but never does
- Lack of containment in front 7...several times the DE and LBs crashed down hard which allowed sizable gains on the outside....not going to be a plus against Bob, Vick, etc.
Looking ahead:
- At the end of the day, this team needs to make it thru preseason healthy
- Have to replace DIehl
- LAck of LB talent will need to be overcome by a stout DLine
- I'm hoping they arent wanting to show what they have in Myers, cuz he's shown nothing
10 penalties, 6 sacks-putrid
Diehl was fucking disgraceful, how the hell do they start the season with him on the O-line?
The tight ends looked absolutely clueless
That receiver hardy was brutal, that pass from eli hit him in the hands, would've been a sure TD
Cox looked real good, hopefully they find a way to implement him into the offense
Offense looked predictable as hell and if this team has the same problem as last year scoring touchdowns they'll be another 9 win/no playoffs team
The tandem of wilson/brown at running back should be solid
Tuck had a nice game and a nice blocked pass
Fluke play on the ross near INT, i trust his veteran instinct out there
I never want to see carr again, his throwing motion and his pocket awareness is beyond atrocious
The nassib pick still makes zero sense to me
We have a serious problem at LB, i see alot of nickel defense this year
God help this defense under fewell again
- Andre Brown and Michael Cox can play. RB's should be ok.
- Shaun Rogers looked good, stood out when I focused on watching the DT's.
- Tuck played well, active.
- Good to see Hakeem out there, he got open and Eli hit him a couple of times. He will be fine.
- Other than the crazy TD, I thought Aaron Ross played ok.
- Hosley is a player.
- Trumane McBride will make the team.
- Beatty has developed into a very good LT. Has a motor, made a nice tackle on a turnover (wished he didn't, it's preseason and he doesn't need to hurt himself). Pugh looked solid at LT
- Our kicking game is strong. Brown is an upgrade over Tynes. Weatherford is terrific.
- I thought Carr was ok when not taking a hit. With the starters, I think he's a servicable #2. We'll see what Painter does next week. Season is over if Eli goes down regardless of who the #2 is.
Con's
- Diehl, why isn't Pugh getting snaps at RT?
- Wilson should be better than he is, doesn't seem to follow his blocks well.
- Yes, Eli was rushed. But, he should have hit a few more throws. A few of those bad ones are on him.
- Our LB's are not good.
- When Cruz went down, it was noticable. Wasn't impressed with Murphy.
- Did Ruben Randle play?
- JPP missing the pre-season. We really need him to come back healthy. Our only true impact player on defense.
Yea randle played, had a couple of nice catches. Weatherford is in mid season form, his punts were great. Agreed about eli, some of those throws are on him, he made a few bad ones.
The one TD was a pick that fluked. Lets not write off the defense based on this. At full strength, over the course of a game, the depth on our D line will yield plenty of pressure and that's where our strength will be. Patience.
Hankins got bullied out there. Needs the weight room or something. Did not hear (and would like to) anything about Moore, Snee, Ross, Kiwanuka, Brewer, Frederick last night. Agree that the TEs looked lost and ineffective.
back to watch 7 pm start.No picture. came on in second quarter. Wilson made a nice play on catch. Nicks got a twenty yarder. Cox made good kick return. No picture when I returned from kitchen.Getting my info from this discussion thread.Lot of good posts.
that was an everything that can go wrong went wrong kind of game Â
Both TDs against were fluky -- the Ross play doesn't happen again 1 in 100 times. The Hosley touchdown was an unreal throw where the receivers second foot was within a half inch of being out of bounds.
A series of big 15 yard penalties (including on the coach) most of which were for silly fouls.
The biggest thing that is obvious to everyone is that DD can't (pass) block anymore. Receivers can't get uncovered if you don't give the QB anytime. Hopefully, the loyalty to DD is fleeting. Otherwise it is going to be a long year.
I took mrs gidiefor to the game with me and she keep asking me what was wrong
My observations:
The Colts don't have a good run game and playing against them I don't think our run defense was all that good - the Colts kept hammering away at our gut and marching down the field - everyone was happy that they stopped the runner - but they kept giving up yardage - 3 to 7 yards a pop - they also kept failing to stop the colts on third down - it was maddening
On offense - we do not look strong in the power running game at all! Wilson showed good burst and made a few plays but he looked mediocre running into the line. Brown looked better up the gut but not great - the few plays he made were power sweep runs - and not all of them worked - the first 4down play was pathetic - the second one worked.
Eli had pressure in his face all night - and it looked at a certain point that the offense was just lackluster and not up to the game. Deihl was embarrassing - he was playing with a cast on his hand and he looked embarrassed and red faced constantly. He nearly got Eli killed.
Randle looked good - Wilson whiffed on a block that had Eli running for his life.
Hosely looked Awful to me and Luck was picking on him all night.
I thought Nassib showed good poise again - and that he made a few nice plays- to me he looks a heck of a lot better out there than Carr. Carr is not a great QB for as long as he has been playing and looks wooden out there and has a lot of nervous energy. Whatever - we are fucked when ELi packs it in or is out of the game - why bother keeping an average QB like Carr or Painter - give Nassib the roster spot in my opinion and let the kid learn. Do not waste a roster spot on keeping 3 qbs! We need all the help we can get everywhere that is not a skill position - Oline, DLine, Secondary, LBs -
Tuck played well last night - that was a bright spot - Connor played okay - and so did Williams. Josh Brown is a great addition to the team - he's got a real strong leg. In practice he was hitting 60 yd field goals. He kicks deep on kickoffs consistently, and he kept the runbacks from happening with his boomers. He also made the field goals.
Without Baas in there the Oline is torrid. I just don't get how the defense as a unit wouldn't be totally embarrassed with the way they played the run last night.
We've been told that Murphy was signed because he's fast and can stretch the defense. Not one deep ball to Murphy through the first two games. Is Gilbride saving this for the regular season?
I know he's only been playing against backups but its not really fair to use that against him when he hasn't even been given the chance to go against the starters because they have 50 million defensive linemen on the roster.
When he's on the field, you know it. He led the team in sacks last preseason and could very well do it again this preseason. Scrubs or not, that has to count for something.
It would be a shame to see him go some place else and become a productive player right around the time where Tuck and Kiwi are entering the last leg of their careers as productive starters.
I know Tracy is the favorite and he's had a good camp (all 17 practices) and he has a cute little nickname but he hasn't had nearly the same impact or presence that Ojomo has.
They picked this guy up off the street. Every once in a while you get lucky with these street FA's and when you do, you should hold onto them.
The bomb to cruz happened because Murphy was double-covered. Â
kids anyway. When Tuck was sucking wind and injured and JPP played the whole season on a bad back, how good were the coaches at mixing in the kids last year?
They've got some nice-looking groceries but the head chef just wants mac and cheese every night.
criticism ie confusion out there on the line and in the field - on paper this should be a better team than last year - and so far they look the same as last year.
To Tommy Coughlin - I hope to god this is not the way we will look this year and that this is just preseason shakeout - something has to be done to improve the defensive game performance for the season or we will all be screaming:
He's a phenomenal athlete, and when he gets some room he can explode, but his ability to read blocks and sniff out a hole are terrible. Compare that to Andre Brown. Hell, compare that to Cox last night - both of those guys can find a crease somewhere else when the hole's not there. Right now, Wilson doesn't do that and Brown clearly should start with Wilson as the changeup back.
And my other favorite turkey, Hosley, flat out fucking sucks.
and Ross have the same problem, namely playing the ball in the air. They are in position, but routinely mistime jumps, etc. You also have to remember that Luck made some incredible throws. Most QBs wouldn't have even attempted that throw to Hilton in the back of the end zone.
Wilson CAN learn to do so, but he's not there yet. I know everyone likes to blame the line or the playcalling for his inconsistency, but most of it is on him.
Wilson is probably used to being able to use his speed from college. He's going to have to learn patience. Cox had no choice but to be patient in college because his offensive line was abysmal lol
It's weird how some runners have that ability at a young age Â
I watched a highlight last night, I can't remember what team or RB, but he had nice screen in front of him and LB pursuit behind him. All he did was run past his blocks and up a lineman's back. Probably could've convoy'd it for a big play but he just took himself out of a good play with impatience.
To this day, that game Tiki played against the Raiders his last year when he picked his way through a minefield of blockers, I've never seen a guy do it better. ANd he was probably going 75% there.
it just was awful last year. It's still not great, but man...even when he gets hit, it's got to be a direct hit to bring him down. Some of his failed runs were terrible play calls/blocking. Like that first down draw. *yawn* any of us could have predicted that - and Kildrive is surprised it's -3 yards because...
Cox looks good, yes, but again, against scrubs. Not his fault, but it is what it is. I do think Scott needs to start considering his future soon. Cox is our third best running back, period. An excellent find.
I wonder (still) if Hosley's biggest problem is his height. He can cover a guy well but he literally can't afford any mistakes against a WR if that WR is 6+ inches taller.
Is he a "Player"? Absolutely. A career backup/nickel, and special teamer, though.
on the field last night has not even been mentioned yet on this thread-S David Caldwell. Special teams, deep coverage, and especially coming up to make tackles on running plays, these guy was impressive throughout.
The skills Cox is showing seems like they'd translate well Â
based on last night. Some guys just don't ever have that knack though. Llike Hershel they just cannot run instinctively. Wilson may be like Hershel but he has improved from last year.
if Eli were to go down right now, Car is the ONLY guy who has a snowballs chance in hell of winning a game for us. That is not an endorsement that Carr is a good QB. Instead, it shows you how piss poor our backup QBs are AT THE MOMENT (pending further development).
it seems like 95% of the time the offense wins on any play we blitz.
Also that mathias quote...wow...confusion is rampant. The only thing that will stop this D from being good is a coordinator that has them totally confused.
Once again we have no choice but to hope THEY finally somehow get on the same page.....I hope we don't throw this year away b/c our system still isn't 'player-friendly'
There is no game plan for pre season. I for one hate the way Tom substitutes players. Why not give Pugh some first team reps? Why wait until the 4th to play Cox? Could Nassib be that much worse then Painter or Carr? We will never find out because he gets stuck with the bottom of the barrel for WR's and O line.Tom has his own method but I cant wait for pre season to be over.
was just one of those nights when even the right play turns out wrong:the Ross play, obviously; the foot barely in on the TD, the bench penalty after a good gain; the D getting in the backfield often on the blitz but poor containment.
That said, some things are now obvious:
-DD needs to go(I think JohnM and JR will talk to TC today about that 'play the kids earlier' conversation they had).
-Pascoe is NOT a lead FB: he missed hitting his man at least 2x that I noticed.
-Even a blind Giants fan knew that draw play in the green zone was coming, and yes, where were the deeps to Murphy(or anybody other than VC)? We fail there because we are predictable there.
I do have a question: are cuts mandatory after p-s game 2 now, or is it still all after 3(to70), then 4(to 53)?
He does not look good and by virture of his rookie status we all assume he is years away....but given the recent developments in Seattle, DC, Indy (yes I know he is not in their caliber) this guy is the all time leader in passing for Syracuse...some thought he was 1st round material, is it at all possible that he comes along quick with this pre-season experience and becomes the number 2? David Carr seems to have regressed, and I really wonder if he could be a much better option for a few games than Nassib
judging the guy when he is playing with most guys who won't even be on the roster?
And secondly, if anything else, it should be clear, we are hosed with anyone not Eli. Put me in the camp of Eli and Nassib. Is Nassib ready to be backup, absolutely not. But if Eli goes down, games are a write off. Save the roster spot and if the awful happens and Eli goes down, give the kid reps.
and appeared to shy away from contact. I really think he's protecting himself right now and that there is nothing else wrong with him, as some have mentioned. He'll be fine once the real bullets start flying IMO.
If Eli gets blocking, and that's a big if, this passing game can be really good. We need the right side solidified. Snee and Diehl need to step up or our passing game will struggle. Eli was erractic last night, in part, because of teh pressure he was getting; mostly from the right side. Do we put a TE on that side to help more. I think Diehl will need a ton of help over there for us to be successful.
We're going to carry three QB's for the first time in years Â
Nassib won't clear waivers so forget the practice squad. he's also not ready to be the primary backup. God forbid Eli gets dinged and maybe misses a start or two. If you go with Nassib you're not giving your squad a chance to compete in those games.
Thank God those suggesting an Eli/Nassib only tandem aren't managing the team.
pretty much looked like Kurt Warner trying to run Coughlin's offense. Drop back look at the first read and if he's covered well freeze until sacked. Hopefully the OL doesn't get Eli killed and Nassib has the 2 to 3 years he'll need to learn the offense or the coaching staff changes and all the rookies don't need 2 or 3 years anymore.
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2nd half was a shit show (for both teams)
Good stuff.
Best player on the field tonight -- head and shoulders above everyone else -- Andrew Luck.
Good news for the Giants: stout against the run... and improvement in run game this week.
Aaron Ross
Williams
Hosley--good and bad
Hankins and Austin were not as stout as the last game, but were not terrible either
Nassib continues to demonstrate that Jerry Reese and Tom Coughlin smoked crack together at least once in their lives.
That was just awful.
Or perhaps that just who we are. Tough to say.
tough guy with just enough shiftiness
Entire starting d-line looked very stout and also good pressure up the middle.
Regrettably we just couldn't get our hands on Andrew Luck who showed great athleticism back there. He's a stud.
Execution doesn't get a pass, but what they continue to try to do is never going to yield a great RZ offense, no matter what the personnel is. The best they're going to get is all right and that's only if the run game steps up big (even if it's weak in between the 20s).
He should really hang 'em up.
His name is on the back of his jersey and the coaches and all his team mates can see him on film.
Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust awful.
We play very undisciplined football. We lose contain, and have a lot of stupid penalties.
We have problems on the OL. DD is beyond awful, and should be cut. Pugh should start ahead of him right now. I'd pick up a veteran for a third tackle. Baas was never that good, and is chronically hurt. Cordle, Brewer, and Mosley are the best remaining. The rest are awful.
Eli and Myers had some miscommunications. Robinson looks like he is too heavy.
Nicks looks like he is still hurting. Hope Cruz is OK. Randle looks very good.
Some good play from the DL. Austin had some pressure, but I still think it's going to be hard for him to make the team.
Nothing really from the LBs. Connor is much better than Herzlich, who I'm afraid should be cut. The rest are just bodies frankly. Reese was limited this offseason, so this is what we get.
Ross and Hosley don't seem to be able to play the ball.
RB position - Wilson, Brown, and Cox all looked terrific. They still need to improve pass protection, but the position is stacked right now.
2 Justins - I thought Tuck and Pugh (while I saw him) played wonderfully.
Negatives:
The list is so GOTDAMN long that I must remind myself it was only a preseason game.
Real bad.
In all seriousness, we can come to a consensus all we want, but DD is going to be the starting RT this season. There's legit no reason to think otherwise, no matter what Pugh does or Brewer does. Eli is just going to have buck up and somehow play like 2011, when he turned shit into gold.
The fact that the Giants can't punch the ball in is indication of much more serious issues with the offense that have been carried over from last season and need to be addressed. For some reason people have a hard time accepting this.
I want Pugh to start next week. Diehl can't move his feet quickly enough and he doesn't push his man back in run blocking.
Liked what I saw from Cox.
Barden made a few catches, but does anyone really take him seriously as a WR at this point?
Bottom line: OL and LB are the biggest problems on this team.
Obviously, having practices is not working for Eli....he needs more work out there against a real defense....not the one he faces in practice....
Disappointed in the execution and play calling.....what's the word? Predictable!
DD? I don't get it....I just don't get it.....
Nicks looks like he is not running well
Our lbs are going to be a problem
Going to be very hard to cut some of theses DE and DT. Amazing depth.... To bad they can't play LB
Tuck and kiwi played well
Wilson is a special player who runs like ,mccoy/jcharles
Will beatty if he stays healthy can be a phenomenal tackle
The bad- diehl, diehl, diehl, and diehl
He just gets abused in every aspect
The oline except for beatty seemed very shaky at best and is a huge concern moving forward especially with the injury to baas
Redzone needs to be fixed we have all of these weapons in cruz randle nicks and wilson, we should not be settling for field goals as much as we do
Cruz had both the cb and safety beat but Eli hung it up there.
Eli to me still needs to get on the same page with Nicks.
Giants looked slow on O and looked better on run defense.
He's slipping off blocks in the run game too.
They are in cement.
Whoa... if looks could kill.
He looked pissed.
Why?
Maybe because he was severely outplayed by a second year QB on national TV.
ANd by a lot!!!
The defensive line over all did a much better job vs. the run today. Rogers was more active out there, clogging up the middle. As did Joseph, Patterson, and Jenkins. Granted the Colts are not a good running team, but that was much improved out there.
And if the Giants can ever get Will Hill to get his head on straight, this guy looks like a player. When he hits guys, they go right down. He had a few good hits out there.
Also, for me, Josh Brown is on this team to hit long field goals. That's why that strange unsportsmanlike foul on Coughlin wasn't a bad thing. I'd rather see him try from 45 than from 30. Tynes lost his job because he lost leg strength. Seeing 2 long field goals from him go through easily was a big plus.
BUT... Rivers got sucked in real good on a cut back that he should have handled easilty.
THe run was strung out to the left by Patterson, and the RB changed directions and Rivers drifted to far inside.
Just real bad play by him.
DD is being beat at the snap of the ball and he killed at least 2 drives... or prevented them from every getting underway.
He can fuck things up all by his lonesome.
Again, it's going to just be on Eli and his pocket presence to save the day. He did in 2011, and, while perhaps not something we can fairly expect out of him on a season to season, consistent basis, perhaps he can channel it back for 2013.
Offense- With the amount of skill position talent that this team has the redzone offense has been awful not just tonight but for several years now.
Eli should not be 8/17 in any game.
Nicks looked like he was at 70% with no explosion
This OL just doesnt run block well and it is rare when they move the pile. This OL is such a far cry from the 2008 line which was the best in the leauge.
Diehl--well no need to beat a dead horse
Defense-LB are not good..getting to average would be and upgrade
CB--with the exception of Amukamara they all scare me
He looked like he was out there to get some reps... stretch out a little... and get himself ready for the regular season.
But he looked pretty nonchalant out there.
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The donut mascot would have played better.
Thought Pugh did well for his first game. Also looks like Cox is a keeper. Nicks definitely needs to practice. Run defense improved maybe at the cost of the pass defense. Really really tough decisions on the DL.
Really don't know how anyone can judge Nassib considering who his supporting case.
Anyone focus on Cordle at center?
dwilson22 : 10:31 pm
interviews on WFAN. Everyone is laughing, joking around. They don't sound like they care.
IT'S PRESEASON! They haven't had a meaningful game in over eight months, and have played 2-3 quarters of game situation football since then! Hell, I heard a talking head call Mark Sanchez the best looking quarterback in the preseason so far!
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Nassib continues to demonstrate that Jerry Reese and Tom Coughlin smoked crack together at least once in their lives.
Rookie QB, third and fourth string OL, second game of his career at the QB spot in the NFL. Despite that he threw two perfect screens to Cox who could have scored if he slowed down.
And this genius says the 2-time SB winning HC and GM are smoking rock.
FUCK. YOU.
You're horrific on BBI. Just awful.
Why use a first round pick on a RT if he's not going to get reps with the first team?
I want to see how we do in the red zone once we start game planning. That's what I am interested in seeing.
Even with Cruz out, I still didn't understand the wide receiver personnel groupings unless they just were trying to get a look at different players and combinations. Barden, btw, just stinks.
Defensive line run D looked pretty good throughout. Broha, Ojomo just make plays.
On the other hand, Herzlich just doesn't make plays. Looks like it will be Conner in the middle.
Carr apparently doesn't see the middle of the field very well.
Off night for Eli. Not concerned. It's Eli.
He couldn't pass a physical and be allowed onto a field. When the Dolphins showed interest in picking him up later, he wasn't able to pass for them either (though I know O'Hara likes to tell a slightly different story, about how he never got another chance and teams just assumed he couldn't play anymore).
This place never ceases to amaze, it'd be so awesome if it weren't so frightening.
Penalties: Colts 3 for 61 yards, Giants 10 for 96 yards
Sacks: 1 for 6 yards given up by Colts; 6 for 44 yards given up by Giants.
10 penalties and 6 sacks allowed is not going to please TC.
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Can't really evaluate Nassib. He's playing behind an OL that would shame a high school team.
If he didn't get time at RT, maybe it means the RT competition is between Diehl and Brewer. If not, I'd like them to have Pugh focus on one spot rather than bouncing around.
I can't believe they can't replace DD the guy is Toast .
Cox might also be the best gunner on the team as well as a lock for the 3rd RB he see's the field he glides like
and always seems to lean forward he looks like a steal .
If Hill gets his head on straight he could probably start
on plenty of teams .
Agree wirh MS that one play with Rivers was just awful
I didn't key in on him but that one play stood out .
There will be some tough cuts at DT and WR .
Ojomo again just makes plays all over the place disruptive
great motor . I know you don't see many trades but we have a
glut of DT and lousy linebackers . I think Brown should start and soften them up for Wilson thats if we can get someone better than DD to open some holes the run blocking
was garbage .
sucky football with an annoying Colts fan running his mouth all game.
As said on this thread, Diehl was pretty bad in pass pro. Hated the red zone call on 1st-and-goal from the 5 out of the shotgun. I said to Boldruler...here we go with the draw play. Two yard loss. Sigh.
Only exciting thing in the second half was Cox.
There was no other choice, really. Little to nothing blind loyalty or whatever it is that keeps Diehl locked into a starting position could do about it.
I trust in Reese and TC, not the mouthbreathing, keyboard cocks and troglodytes that sometimes patrol BBI and make ridiculous statements.
(And a quick disclaimer...I wasn't a big Nassib fan while he played for my beloved Orangemen. So it's not blind love here folks)
Give Ojomo something other than fourth quarter play. Boy, our head coach can be a stubborn SOB.
Cut DD. What's worse than stinks? The guy can't play anymore. How can they not see that.
Cox looks good. We found another Bradshaw.
We need to find a center who doesn't break down every other game. This guy is just to beat up right now to play quality minutes, and I know, we don't really have a backup center. This might be our biggest problem moving forward.
Play Brewer and Pugh. They need reps. It's the only way they can get better, and we need them to.
Which means, now it's beyond obvious.
I really hope Nassib miraculously develops because I can't stand watching Carr's brutal QBing. I imagine Painter's similarly bad.
Aaron Curry looks like he has no speed left at all.
I like Tracy and Trattou, going to be tough between them.
Andre brown looks great, if we can get 16 games out of this kid, he's 10TDs plus.
The first team interior run D was much better tonight.
JT looked good.
Myers is struggling to adapt to this offense.
Weatherford is in mid season form.
Hosley has yet to find the consistency required at CB.
Ross is playing well. The INT/TD was a fluke.
Jacquain Williams play has been on a nice uptick.
Ojomo is a natural pass rushing beast. It's time to get him some meaningful reps and see if he can do it against top comp.
Just not in the next two weeks.
We can at least put the "Nassib as the backup" delusion to bed. We are either keeping 3 qb's or putting him on the practice squad.
BBI.
But that's your Syracuse loyalty showing through?!?
BUT, the player IMO that already looks good against 2d team players is Trattou. I'd like to see Trattou against 1st team opposing defenses.
IMO Shaun Rogers did not look good but Patterson has a VERY QUICK 1ST STEP and looked very good.
WOW !
I can't believe McCants did not get one mention in this thread. If DD was awful, McCants was god awful. He doesn't even get a piece of the guy in front of him when he is on the inside.
I'm not sure any team would do that.
- Run D looked better...good push up the gut
- Running game showed some life
- Pugh, although I would have liked to see him at RT
Negatives:
- Diehl, he seems to be as much of a drive killer as Killdrive...the first sack he gave up on a play action was horrible and destroyed the drive!
- Deadzone offense, I, and I'm pretty sure over half of BBI, knew that freakin draw was coming on first and goal which resulted in a loss of two or three yards! It's a wasted down IMO when we run that play.
- Hosely, he seems to always be just close enough to make a play but never does
- Lack of containment in front 7...several times the DE and LBs crashed down hard which allowed sizable gains on the outside....not going to be a plus against Bob, Vick, etc.
Looking ahead:
- At the end of the day, this team needs to make it thru preseason healthy
- Have to replace DIehl
- LAck of LB talent will need to be overcome by a stout DLine
- I'm hoping they arent wanting to show what they have in Myers, cuz he's shown nothing
Diehl was fucking disgraceful, how the hell do they start the season with him on the O-line?
The tight ends looked absolutely clueless
That receiver hardy was brutal, that pass from eli hit him in the hands, would've been a sure TD
Cox looked real good, hopefully they find a way to implement him into the offense
Offense looked predictable as hell and if this team has the same problem as last year scoring touchdowns they'll be another 9 win/no playoffs team
The tandem of wilson/brown at running back should be solid
Tuck had a nice game and a nice blocked pass
Fluke play on the ross near INT, i trust his veteran instinct out there
I never want to see carr again, his throwing motion and his pocket awareness is beyond atrocious
The nassib pick still makes zero sense to me
We have a serious problem at LB, i see alot of nickel defense this year
God help this defense under fewell again
Pro's
- Andre Brown and Michael Cox can play. RB's should be ok.
- Shaun Rogers looked good, stood out when I focused on watching the DT's.
- Tuck played well, active.
- Good to see Hakeem out there, he got open and Eli hit him a couple of times. He will be fine.
- Other than the crazy TD, I thought Aaron Ross played ok.
- Hosley is a player.
- Trumane McBride will make the team.
- Beatty has developed into a very good LT. Has a motor, made a nice tackle on a turnover (wished he didn't, it's preseason and he doesn't need to hurt himself). Pugh looked solid at LT
- Our kicking game is strong. Brown is an upgrade over Tynes. Weatherford is terrific.
- I thought Carr was ok when not taking a hit. With the starters, I think he's a servicable #2. We'll see what Painter does next week. Season is over if Eli goes down regardless of who the #2 is.
Con's
- Diehl, why isn't Pugh getting snaps at RT?
- Wilson should be better than he is, doesn't seem to follow his blocks well.
- Yes, Eli was rushed. But, he should have hit a few more throws. A few of those bad ones are on him.
- Our LB's are not good.
- When Cruz went down, it was noticable. Wasn't impressed with Murphy.
- Did Ruben Randle play?
- JPP missing the pre-season. We really need him to come back healthy. Our only true impact player on defense.
Pass defense. Luck completed 9 of his last 10 throws. Of course, when you play 10 yards off the receiver that 9 yard hitch is open all day.
Red (Green, whatever) Zone offense. Putrid. Field goals when you get inside the 10 don't cut it.
Lack of containment of the QB. So, you got a nice pass rush on the blitz? Then, Luck scrambles looking like Steve Young.
Pretty disappointing.
Kiwanuka looked strong out there.
A series of big 15 yard penalties (including on the coach) most of which were for silly fouls.
The biggest thing that is obvious to everyone is that DD can't (pass) block anymore. Receivers can't get uncovered if you don't give the QB anytime. Hopefully, the loyalty to DD is fleeting. Otherwise it is going to be a long year.
I took mrs gidiefor to the game with me and she keep asking me what was wrong
My observations:
The Colts don't have a good run game and playing against them I don't think our run defense was all that good - the Colts kept hammering away at our gut and marching down the field - everyone was happy that they stopped the runner - but they kept giving up yardage - 3 to 7 yards a pop - they also kept failing to stop the colts on third down - it was maddening
On offense - we do not look strong in the power running game at all! Wilson showed good burst and made a few plays but he looked mediocre running into the line. Brown looked better up the gut but not great - the few plays he made were power sweep runs - and not all of them worked - the first 4down play was pathetic - the second one worked.
Eli had pressure in his face all night - and it looked at a certain point that the offense was just lackluster and not up to the game. Deihl was embarrassing - he was playing with a cast on his hand and he looked embarrassed and red faced constantly. He nearly got Eli killed.
Randle looked good - Wilson whiffed on a block that had Eli running for his life.
Hosely looked Awful to me and Luck was picking on him all night.
I thought Nassib showed good poise again - and that he made a few nice plays- to me he looks a heck of a lot better out there than Carr. Carr is not a great QB for as long as he has been playing and looks wooden out there and has a lot of nervous energy. Whatever - we are fucked when ELi packs it in or is out of the game - why bother keeping an average QB like Carr or Painter - give Nassib the roster spot in my opinion and let the kid learn. Do not waste a roster spot on keeping 3 qbs! We need all the help we can get everywhere that is not a skill position - Oline, DLine, Secondary, LBs -
Tuck played well last night - that was a bright spot - Connor played okay - and so did Williams. Josh Brown is a great addition to the team - he's got a real strong leg. In practice he was hitting 60 yd field goals. He kicks deep on kickoffs consistently, and he kept the runbacks from happening with his boomers. He also made the field goals.
Without Baas in there the Oline is torrid. I just don't get how the defense as a unit wouldn't be totally embarrassed with the way they played the run last night.
Remember, they're playing with replacements now.
It's Boothe, Cordle, Mosely and Pascoe. THat's not what it's supposed to be.
I know he's only been playing against backups but its not really fair to use that against him when he hasn't even been given the chance to go against the starters because they have 50 million defensive linemen on the roster.
When he's on the field, you know it. He led the team in sacks last preseason and could very well do it again this preseason. Scrubs or not, that has to count for something.
It would be a shame to see him go some place else and become a productive player right around the time where Tuck and Kiwi are entering the last leg of their careers as productive starters.
I know Tracy is the favorite and he's had a good camp (all 17 practices) and he has a cute little nickname but he hasn't had nearly the same impact or presence that Ojomo has.
They picked this guy up off the street. Every once in a while you get lucky with these street FA's and when you do, you should hold onto them.
How else can you explain how superb athletes look so utterly defenseless, literally, on so many 3rd downs.
They've got some nice-looking groceries but the head chef just wants mac and cheese every night.
To Tommy Coughlin - I hope to god this is not the way we will look this year and that this is just preseason shakeout - something has to be done to improve the defensive game performance for the season or we will all be screaming:
Mayday! Mayday! Mayday!!!!
It's a shame the game where the #1's play the most is going to vs. the Jets train wreck. I'd like it to have been a better team.
Pats game will be a better test, "if" the #1's play more than 1-2 series.
Just like he saved the Wilson wheel route for the last game of the season against Philly when the season was over...
And my other favorite turkey, Hosley, flat out fucking sucks.
I watched a highlight last night, I can't remember what team or RB, but he had nice screen in front of him and LB pursuit behind him. All he did was run past his blocks and up a lineman's back. Probably could've convoy'd it for a big play but he just took himself out of a good play with impatience.
To this day, that game Tiki played against the Raiders his last year when he picked his way through a minefield of blockers, I've never seen a guy do it better. ANd he was probably going 75% there.
Cox looks good, yes, but again, against scrubs. Not his fault, but it is what it is. I do think Scott needs to start considering his future soon. Cox is our third best running back, period. An excellent find.
I wonder (still) if Hosley's biggest problem is his height. He can cover a guy well but he literally can't afford any mistakes against a WR if that WR is 6+ inches taller.
Is he a "Player"? Absolutely. A career backup/nickel, and special teamer, though.
Also that mathias quote...wow...confusion is rampant. The only thing that will stop this D from being good is a coordinator that has them totally confused.
Once again we have no choice but to hope THEY finally somehow get on the same page.....I hope we don't throw this year away b/c our system still isn't 'player-friendly'
That said, some things are now obvious:
-DD needs to go(I think JohnM and JR will talk to TC today about that 'play the kids earlier' conversation they had).
-Pascoe is NOT a lead FB: he missed hitting his man at least 2x that I noticed.
-Even a blind Giants fan knew that draw play in the green zone was coming, and yes, where were the deeps to Murphy(or anybody other than VC)? We fail there because we are predictable there.
I do have a question: are cuts mandatory after p-s game 2 now, or is it still all after 3(to70), then 4(to 53)?
Haven't seem much of Murphy this camp but it seems like teams do respect his speed.
And secondly, if anything else, it should be clear, we are hosed with anyone not Eli. Put me in the camp of Eli and Nassib. Is Nassib ready to be backup, absolutely not. But if Eli goes down, games are a write off. Save the roster spot and if the awful happens and Eli goes down, give the kid reps.
If Eli gets blocking, and that's a big if, this passing game can be really good. We need the right side solidified. Snee and Diehl need to step up or our passing game will struggle. Eli was erractic last night, in part, because of teh pressure he was getting; mostly from the right side. Do we put a TE on that side to help more. I think Diehl will need a ton of help over there for us to be successful.
Thank God those suggesting an Eli/Nassib only tandem aren't managing the team.