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Shawn in Jersey : 8/18/2013 10:07 pm
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Beatty was the best Giant on the field tonight  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/18/2013 10:08 pm : link
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hahaha  
giantgiantfan : 8/18/2013 10:08 pm : link
listen to this guys terrible commentary of the randy moss / joe buck thing they were talking about.
Link - ( New Window )
When I look only at the starters...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 8/18/2013 10:09 pm : link
in the past two games. I do not see much improvement vs last season. Still have issues with the running game.
^Diehl still has issues in pass pro  
Lionhart28 : 8/18/2013 10:10 pm : link
and we still can't playcall or execute in the redzone. But I think a lot of that is due to the poor consistency in run blocking...
Red zone issues  
Giantfan in skinland : 8/18/2013 10:10 pm : link
the defense can't get off the field on third and long.

GIANTS FOOTBALL IS BACK BABY!
Uninspiring  
PEEJ : 8/18/2013 10:10 pm : link
I don't know much more about this team than I did before. Run D was better.
2nd half was a shit show (for both teams)
Red Zone offense  
BlueManFu : 8/18/2013 10:10 pm : link
Is a weak spot....AGAIN
This team  
dwilson22 : 8/18/2013 10:11 pm : link
might be a sleeper pick for a top 5 pick next year.
The Giants are TERRIBLE in the redzone  
Blue Blood : 8/18/2013 10:11 pm : link
and that has been a consistent ongoing issue that needs to be fixed.. and I am confident of this thing.. the defense will be mediocre as Fewell is the DC..
ball ----> Pam Oliver's face = hilarity ensued  
Mason : 8/18/2013 10:11 pm : link
Moss and Buck recanting old times


Good stuff.
Aaron Ross and David Diehl...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:11 pm : link
...nuff said. Ugh.

Best player on the field tonight -- head and shoulders above everyone else -- Andrew Luck.

Good news for the Giants: stout against the run... and improvement in run game this week.
a couple of guys looked good  
oipolloi : 8/18/2013 10:12 pm : link
Cox
Aaron Ross
Williams
Hosley--good and bad


Hankins and Austin were not as stout as the last game, but were not terrible either

Nassib continues to demonstrate that Jerry Reese and Tom Coughlin smoked crack together at least once in their lives.
Snee  
Jay in Toronto : 8/18/2013 10:12 pm : link
May not be 100% Yet. The OL worries me
That delay draw everyone hates..  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 8/18/2013 10:12 pm : link
(including me) is there simply because we cannot lineup and just smash them in the mouth. Notice also on those short yardage situations we run away from the interior of the line? We have been doing that for a while. No confidence that our line can beat the men directly in front of them. Instead, it is easier for us to create a mismatch on the outside.
Wilson, Torrain, and Cox looked strong.  
Britt in VA : 8/18/2013 10:12 pm : link
Good performance by them. Also, I thought Pugh looked strong in what I saw of him.
Sounded like Joe Buck was...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:13 pm : link
...sucking off Randy Moss.

That was just awful.
That said...  
Giantfan in skinland : 8/18/2013 10:13 pm : link
The preseason nature of this game seemed more obvious to me than normal even with the starters. You had some guys in there at WR that won't be part of the action when bullets start flying. Perhaps that had something to do with the rather vanilla playcalling.

Or perhaps that just who we are. Tough to say.
And Andre Brown  
oipolloi : 8/18/2013 10:14 pm : link
he actually ran very well. Made that third down on his own

tough guy with just enough shiftiness
Patterson was a stud...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:14 pm : link
...out there.

Entire starting d-line looked very stout and also good pressure up the middle.

Regrettably we just couldn't get our hands on Andrew Luck who showed great athleticism back there. He's a stud.
Let's cut straight to the chase.  
Optimus-NY : 8/18/2013 10:14 pm : link
What's up with the injuries?
Got three we weeks to stop sucking.  
BlueHurricane : 8/18/2013 10:15 pm : link
Looked pretty bad in a lot of areas. And I hate to say it but for a 2 time superbowl MVP Eli can sure look really bad at times. Most likely has Deihlitis though because when Locklear was playing last year Eli was much better.
The RZ play calling/design is almost as bizarrely frustrating to me  
Riggies : 8/18/2013 10:16 pm : link
as the team's obsession with Diehl at this point.

Execution doesn't get a pass, but what they continue to try to do is never going to yield a great RZ offense, no matter what the personnel is. The best they're going to get is all right and that's only if the run game steps up big (even if it's weak in between the 20s).
Can we come to a consensus on Diehl?  
David in LA : 8/18/2013 10:17 pm : link
I'm not so sure he even deserves a spot on the 53 man roster at this point. He is going to get Eli demolished soon. We need Pugh to grab the starting RT spot. Brewer provides versatility and depth, and it looks like he's had a good camp. Cut Diehl, and see what veteran LB's are available on cut down day.
No mention of Ojomo yet. He continue to dominate when he was  
fredgbrown : 8/18/2013 10:17 pm : link
in there. I think it is going to be hard to cut this guy. The guy just make plays when he is on the field.
Diehl must have naked pictures...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 8/18/2013 10:17 pm : link
of Coughlin, Reese, and Ray Handley having a threesome. I cannot imaging what other explanation there is for him to be still playing on this team.
Missed most of the game  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/18/2013 10:17 pm : link
Can anyone comment on Pugh?
Diehl was personally responsible for killing...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:17 pm : link
...drives, or preventing them from ever getting started.

He should really hang 'em up.

His name is on the back of his jersey and the coaches and all his team mates can see him on film.

Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust awful.
Some  
AcidTest : 8/18/2013 10:18 pm : link
thoughts:

We play very undisciplined football. We lose contain, and have a lot of stupid penalties.

We have problems on the OL. DD is beyond awful, and should be cut. Pugh should start ahead of him right now. I'd pick up a veteran for a third tackle. Baas was never that good, and is chronically hurt. Cordle, Brewer, and Mosley are the best remaining. The rest are awful.

Eli and Myers had some miscommunications. Robinson looks like he is too heavy.

Nicks looks like he is still hurting. Hope Cruz is OK. Randle looks very good.

Some good play from the DL. Austin had some pressure, but I still think it's going to be hard for him to make the team.

Nothing really from the LBs. Connor is much better than Herzlich, who I'm afraid should be cut. The rest are just bodies frankly. Reese was limited this offseason, so this is what we get.

Ross and Hosley don't seem to be able to play the ball.
Pugh  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/18/2013 10:18 pm : link
played well. He was stout
Giantsfan...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:18 pm : link
...I think Pugh looked mediocre to bad. I think he whiffed at least once on pass protection. Need to playback game.
On a serious note, is that play where DD lets his man by him  
Mason : 8/18/2013 10:19 pm : link
part of a scrambling play that Eli and KG prefer over the boring pocket passing. Eli looks like he had that play down pat almost. The DEs get a false sense of a sack and over pursue while Eli evades them for the throw.
The DT cuts look difficult  
bigbluescot : 8/18/2013 10:19 pm : link
there's good talent there and it's going to be difficult to get it to 4 or 5. I just wish we had a bit more at LB, I like Williams and I think if Rivers and Curry stay healthy have something, but that still looks an MLB short. Our system requires the MLB to be able to drop quickly in coverage and we don't have that at all.
Diehl  
Bleedin Blue : 8/18/2013 10:19 pm : link
Stick Paul Bunyon's for in him he's fucking done! and so are we if he's our starting tackle this year!
M.S.  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/18/2013 10:20 pm : link
I came away pretty impressed with Pugh. I thought he played pretty well.
My thoughts...  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 8/18/2013 10:20 pm : link
Positives:

RB position - Wilson, Brown, and Cox all looked terrific. They still need to improve pass protection, but the position is stacked right now.

2 Justins - I thought Tuck and Pugh (while I saw him) played wonderfully.

Negatives:

The list is so GOTDAMN long that I must remind myself it was only a preseason game.
Rivers lost containment on one play...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:20 pm : link
...strung out to the left (Patterson was a stud on this play)... but the RB cut back to the right and Rivers got stupidly sucked in.

Real bad.
^^^^  
Bleedin Blue : 8/18/2013 10:20 pm : link
FORK
But Eli was only sacked 18x last year! 28 in 2011!  
Riggies : 8/18/2013 10:20 pm : link
They've won two Super Bowls with David Diehl -- a lot of football games along the way with the lunchpail warrior.

In all seriousness, we can come to a consensus all we want, but DD is going to be the starting RT this season. There's legit no reason to think otherwise, no matter what Pugh does or Brewer does. Eli is just going to have buck up and somehow play like 2011, when he turned shit into gold.
People need to stop blaming  
eclipz928 : 8/18/2013 10:20 pm : link
all of the offensive woes on David Diehl. He's a problem, but he's not THE problem. Obviously he, along with the rest of the offense, played well enough to get the team set up in the Redzone a couple times.

The fact that the Giants can't punch the ball in is indication of much more serious issues with the offense that have been carried over from last season and need to be addressed. For some reason people have a hard time accepting this.
Sneakers... I need to review game.  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:21 pm : link
I may be confusing Pugh with someone else. Incidentally, I thought the starting OL blocked pretty well for the run game. ANd our d-line was very stout!!!
Robinson #81  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 8/18/2013 10:22 pm : link
missed his block on that 4th down play in the green zone on our first possession. It was as if he was running his own play. Did not even look at the guy he was supposed to block.
Diehl  
RobCarpenter : 8/18/2013 10:22 pm : link
Should have been cut in the offseason. If he starts the only possible upside is that it could lead to Clowney being on the Giants next year after Eli is mauled by Ware/Orakpo/Cole.

I want Pugh to start next week. Diehl can't move his feet quickly enough and he doesn't push his man back in run blocking.
I think DD begins the season as the starting RT, but as time goes on  
Optimus-NY : 8/18/2013 10:22 pm : link
Pugh will gain enough experience in practice to overtake him. The bye occurs in week 9; I think Pugh is named the starter during that time, and starts his first game at home against a bad Raiders team in week 10. Just my guess.
Pugh looked  
dwilson22 : 8/18/2013 10:22 pm : link
weak physically. I would give Brewer a shot at RT first.
On a positive note, last few years DD would have picked up a penalty  
Mason : 8/18/2013 10:22 pm : link
trying to hold back the DE when they get by him. Now he wised up and just watch as Eli runs for his life. There's your positive on that front.
Riggies...  
M.S. : 8/18/2013 10:22 pm : link
...we don't go to the playoffs with Dunkin Donuts at right tackle.
You mean the Ojomo who  
section125 : 8/18/2013 10:23 pm : link
got a 15 yd penalty for late hit on the QB?
Adrien Robinson  
dwilson22 : 8/18/2013 10:23 pm : link
looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.
Diehl  
Bleedin Blue : 8/18/2013 10:23 pm : link
is not "THE" and not the "ONLY" problem on the line, but he's the biggest liability!
It  
AcidTest : 8/18/2013 10:23 pm : link
was Pugh's first time out. He played decently. DD was just being beaten by like a drum. I agree with whoever said that we really aren't getting any push up the middle. We have an aging, injured, inexperienced OL. Eli's pocket presence might not be enough to overcome that problem.

Liked what I saw from Cox.

Barden made a few catches, but does anyone really take him seriously as a WR at this point?

Bottom line: OL and LB are the biggest problems on this team.
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