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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/20/2013 7:18 am
Second-to-last training camp practice...

11:10 a.m. 12:10 p.m. - Player Interviews

3:25 5:25 p.m. Practice

After Practice Tom Coughlin
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Ten Ton Hammer : 8/20/2013 3:01 pm : link
no confidence in Boothe or Baas when he's healthy?
Mosley is not a rookie...  
fredgbrown : 8/20/2013 3:03 pm : link
dandev: Putting Pugh and Mosley in the starting OL may not
Bobby Epps : 2:13 pm
be a good idea.

That's two rookies in the starting lineup and that makes me uncomfortable about protecting Eli.
arcarsenal : 8/20/2013 3:05 pm : link
4to80.. wrong. Diehl was given his job back as soon as he got healthy despite Locklear playing far better in his absense. Locklear's knee injury happened in Washington when he was filling in for Diehl who had gotten banged up again.
DD is not getting his starting RT spot back when Baas returns  
BillT : 8/20/2013 3:06 pm : link
They could have covered for Baas in other ways. This is about getting the #1 pick on the field and on the field for good.
fredgbrown: Mosley is essentially a rookie, having been injured in  
Bobby Epps : 8/20/2013 3:11 pm : link
last year's preseason. I knew that he was on PS last year.

BUT, never having played a down in a regular season game, IMO makes him a rookie.

oh cmon..are we really going to revisit that game.......  
BillKo : 8/20/2013 3:39 pm : link
we lost because we let the Eagles score within 30 seconds of going up 31-10 with eight minutes left. It's like we didn't even score.

Then, we gave the ball immediately back to them after a botched onside kick that we were oblivous too.

We make one, or both those plays, the game is ours.

And, even with O'Hara out of the game, who says we still run the ball with the Eagles selling out on defense?
FredG/Epps: Mosley spent 2012 on IR.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/20/2013 3:40 pm : link
That makes him even more of a rookie than guys like McCants, Goodin and Browning, who have at least practiced with NFL talent in previous seasons.
and there it is...  
Josh in the City : 8/20/2013 3:45 pm : link
Working with 1st team OL in unit drill: LT Beatty, LG Diehl, C Boothe, RG Snee, RT Pugh
Josh in the City : 8/20/2013 3:47 pm : link
MattHofstra : 8/20/2013 3:49 pm : link
Dropped 2 punts from what I saw
Obviosly the coaches should know who best to play,  
Mike L. : 8/20/2013 4:01 pm : link
but they have been proven wrong before. Cruz was in TCs doghouse after dropping one pass in game 1 back in 2011. They brought Stokely and played him over Cruz. That, to me, is an obvious huge blunder in hindsight. I'm ok with starting DD at LT or LG, but if he struggles, let's see what Pugh, Mosely or Brewer bring to the table during a real game. This is where I think TC may go wrong - he'll stick with DD too long. If the other guys prove they're worse, go back to DD. I don't see why that's so hard to do? It's not like your messing with a QBs mentality. I would think a vet like DD could handle it.
More good news...  
Josh in the City : 8/20/2013 4:02 pm : link
Antrel flying around in agility drill. Shows no visible limitation a week after spraining his ankle.
mattlawson : 8/20/2013 4:03 pm : link
Beatty/Diehl/Boothe/Snee/Pugh line taking reps with Eli in run drills
MattHofstra : 8/20/2013 4:14 pm : link
Under throws Nicks for a bomb that James knocks away easily
It still make me shake my head  
BlueHurricane : 8/20/2013 4:20 pm : link
That Diehl (with a casted hand) is the staffs best LG at this point. Just make the guy a reserve and be done with it. There are better guards on this team than Diehl.
is eli still a bit rusty  
NewYorkGiants : 8/20/2013 4:23 pm : link
I feel like all his deep plays this season have been underthrown
His arm  
Josh in the City : 8/20/2013 4:26 pm : link
is still fatigued.
Hardy caught a nice deep ball from Painter  
MattHofstra : 8/20/2013 4:26 pm : link
Then just dropped one wide open over the middle
MattHofstra : 8/20/2013 4:27 pm : link
Kyle Bosworth busted through a few plays ago and batted down a quick out from Eli to Jernigan
"I feel like all his deep plays this season have been underthrown"  
Mark from Jersey : 8/20/2013 4:32 pm : link
They have been...and this was an issue last year.
Josh in the City : 8/20/2013 4:35 pm : link
still with the 1's at MLB.
Giant_Spirit : 8/20/2013 4:36 pm : link
Not so much arm strength but timing is what has been off with Eli

"I feel like all his deep plays this season have been underthrown"
Mark from Jersey : 4:32 pm

They have been...and this was an issue last year.
I thought maybe last year  
OPBigBlue00 : 8/20/2013 4:37 pm : link
the pressure was the cause of his under throws..but its happening in practice.. doubt very much its rust at this point
Diehl is a worse G than T, but they can probably hide him better at  
Riggies : 8/20/2013 4:37 pm : link
LG than RT and the injury to Baas allows them to do it without much fuss.

Should he be starting at all? No, but he's going to, somewhere on the line, and, for now, this is the best solution to the Diehl issue "we're" going to get.
Probably more timing related  
Mark from Jersey : 8/20/2013 4:41 pm : link
I agree...The short pass in the last preseason game against the Colts was definately timing related.

That being said, Eli underthrows more than overthrows on deep balls of late.
Maybe I've been reading the wrong stuff, but I haven't noticed  
Riggies : 8/20/2013 4:42 pm : link
any significant commentary on Eli underthrowing guys this training camp.

I'm sure he misses occasionally and it's been noted, because, you know, that happens, especially when timing is still being so heavily worked on, but usually, the reports generally have had him mostly "on."
Do you think the ball is coming out a little late  
Lionhart28 : 8/20/2013 4:47 pm : link
making for these underthrows? I often feel like our pass plays are very slow developing. Would like to see more 5 step drop and ball is out.
Josh in the City : 8/20/2013 4:49 pm : link
it's better to underthrow than overthrow. An underthrown ball often ends up in a pass interference penalty if the DB doesn't turn around and play the ball and contact is made. Unfortunately, a good DB will also have an opportunity to pick off an underthrown ball. An overthrown ball could never end in a positive.
Tom Coughlin  
JoefromPa : 8/20/2013 4:53 pm : link
like all NFL coaches, will be playing the line-up he believes gives him the best chance of winning. Any opinion to the contrary, such as he is loyal to certain players, should not be taken too seriously.
great post by SwirlingEddie:  
Optimus-NY : 8/20/2013 4:59 pm : link
I'm with Blogger on this
SwirlingEddie : 12:17 pm
I infer from Coughlin's decisions that he would much rather risk physical errors than mental ones. It may be because the former is more predictable and thus more manageable. Notice how often the RB was helping Diehl on Sunday. It's not about loyalty or any personal relationships.

What confuses me though is why the Giants apparently have much more difficulty than other teams assimilating new players into their scheme. It may just be a confirmation bias on my part, but it always jumps out at me when another team is starting a rookie or slides a young player into a role due to injury without an obvious hiccup.
Josh in the City : 8/20/2013 5:00 pm : link
Let's agree to disagree about that. As much as I love Tom Coughlin, for better or worse there's really no question that he can sometimes be loyal to a fault.
T-Bone : 8/20/2013 5:03 pm : link
My bad. Just getting around to reading this thread and I see you mentioned the Diehl move awhile before I posted my link about it. Didn't mean to step on your toes there sir.
DD was a warrior for the Giants for a while... maybe moving him to LG  
Occam'sRazor : 8/20/2013 5:03 pm : link
is TC's way of giving him the final opportunity to remain a starter, or even on the team altogether.
Josh in the City : 8/20/2013 5:05 pm : link
Highly doubt that's the case being that the only reason he's being moved at all is due to an injury we faced at Center and the need to reshuffle. Do you really believe he would have been benched if Baas didn't get hurt?
uh oh  
Josh in the City : 8/20/2013 5:05 pm : link
Tracy being carted off now.
The move to Guard  
BlackLight : 8/20/2013 5:16 pm : link
might be due to the cast he's got on his hand. If he can't grab onto rushing D-Linemen, that's a huge problem for a Tackle. Also a problem for a Guard, but perhaps less of one.
I want to see more from  
Blue Blood : 8/20/2013 5:27 pm : link
Broha and Trattou...
no worries T bone  
MattHofstra : 8/20/2013 5:32 pm : link
I should also add that Eli hit Randle on a nice deep ball that I saw

few other notes I jotted down

-Really like Michael Cox, guy moves so well and I think barring injury will lock up the 3rd RB spot

-Tuck looked good moving..didn't notice anything about him being unhealthy

-Cooper Taylor was back today..looks quite tall for a secondary member..big guy

-Adrien Robinson is about twice the size as Myers when looking at them standing next to eachother..he's a beast

- looked like a really shaky practice for Ryan Nassib...had some bad throws in there

- I thought Painter threw some nice balls today..curious to see how he does against the Jets..I think it;s going to be tight between him and Carr

-Didn't notice Murphy or Barden today..either I missed them or they didn't practice

-Jernigan muffed two punts I'm pretty sure

Tracy was dehydrated  
MattHofstra : 8/20/2013 5:34 pm : link
per Coughlin
Eli's deep ball has always been  
barens : 8/20/2013 6:32 pm : link
A bit inconsistent compared to other throws. He tends to put a little too much air under the ball. He's money with all the back shoulder throws, but when he has to really uncork one, you never know what your going together.
I think Eli's  
Arcanum : 8/20/2013 6:38 pm : link
Deep ball took a hit, because he really can't step up in the pocket. I believe, our lack of blocking, is effecting him.
Rory : 8/20/2013 6:57 pm : link
I agree, these guys act like they know better then the coaches and its nauseating.

Arc we as fans including yourself justify your opinions on physical talent alone where as that is all you know. There are obviously certain personal teammate qualities that factors into the coaching staff keeping Diehl in the starting lineup

An for everyone else, this topic is not worth 3 pages of threads. my god
Wow, Pugh really has short arms,  
giant16 : 8/20/2013 6:59 pm : link
Look at that picture. His arms don't even go beneath his shirt. :)
I dont give a fk about personal qualities.  
BigBluePrestige : 8/20/2013 7:03 pm : link
I want the better talent out there. Winning>lets keep him in there just cause he's a good guy.
thats the  
Rory : 8/20/2013 7:09 pm : link
stupid rationale that belongs on a game thread and ruins this site.
FWIW on Diehl:  
clatterbuck : 8/20/2013 7:11 pm : link
The notion that Coughlin would risk the health of his franchise quarterback, any chance of winning another championship, and along with it, a spot in the HoF because of misguided loyalty to David Diehl is just ludicrous.

What's the body of work and detailed observation of same that has so many convinced that Mosley or Brewer or anyone else on the roster is a better option?

Could it be that Pugh was being worked at left tackle to develop an option in case Beatty gets injured that would preclude having to move Diehl over?

Some of the armchair coaches and GMs around here are way over the top.

You'd rather  
BigBluePrestige : 8/20/2013 7:58 pm : link
see someone whos better than Diehl ride the bench because Diehl has good personal qualities??? That makes perfect sense.
Sorry, BBP,  
clatterbuck : 8/20/2013 8:46 pm : link
I have no clue what you mean by "personal qualities."
Sorry, BBP,  
clatterbuck : 8/20/2013 8:46 pm : link
I have no clue what you mean by "personal qualities."
BigBluePrestige : 8/20/2013 8:48 pm : link
I pulled that term from rory's post. Its not mine, trust me.
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