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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/20/2013 7:18 am
Second-to-last training camp practice...

11:10 a.m. – 12:10 p.m. - Player Interviews

3:25 – 5:25 p.m. – Practice

After Practice – Tom Coughlin
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Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2013 12:13 pm : link
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Art Stapleton þ@art_stapleton 1m
Victor Cruz is using crutches with a walking boot to keep weight off his left heel. Swelling is the issue. Nothing more to it than that #nyg


I'm with Blogger on this  
SwirlingEddie : 8/20/2013 12:17 pm : link
I infer from Coughlin's decisions that he would much rather risk physical errors than mental ones. It may be because the former is more predictable and thus more manageable. Notice how often the RB was helping Diehl on Sunday. It's not about loyalty or any personal relationships.

What confuses me though is why the Giants apparently have much more difficulty than other teams assimilating new players into their scheme. It may just be a confirmation bias on my part, but it always jumps out at me when another team is starting a rookie or slides a young player into a role due to injury without an obvious hiccup.
Take it from one with expeience with bruised heels  
njm : 8/20/2013 12:27 pm : link
The first day after is the worst, and significant recovery can happen quickly. What's much tougher is the last 5-10% of the recovery because staying off it is the best cure.

If Cruz is in a walking boot with crutches NEXT Monday then get concerned.
careful what we wish for...  
BillKo : 8/20/2013 12:36 pm : link
now Pugh is blocking Ware on opening night.

While I'll agree we need to get DD out of RT, that's a tough chore for the rook.
I also think....  
BillKo : 8/20/2013 12:40 pm : link
TC and the Giants had a plan......they didn't want to throw Pugh right into the fire. DD could possibly hold down RT for a few games as Pugh gets experience, spellling DD for some plays. Gradually take over the position.
Should have Herman practice at Center ,  
NYGBlue42 : 8/20/2013 12:49 pm : link
And see if he can beat out Cordle for a roster spot.
Pugh will be there for the next ten years. He's a playa.  
Lowell.. : 8/20/2013 12:51 pm : link
Btw, those who are lobbying for Brewer. Have u seen this guy play? He's worse than DD. Much worse. He's young so there's hope but right now he's awful.
BillKo  
GiantsFan84 : 8/20/2013 12:54 pm : link
I've seen Diehl try and block ware. I'll take my chances with Pugh
How was Brewer going to win the RT position  
bronxgiant : 8/20/2013 12:55 pm : link
when he spent most of the time filling in at RG for Snee. Moseley have done a pretty good job at guard so why is he not rewarded. I am all for respect for our old warriors but you have to know when to let them go and fill in with the talent you have. DD have not been good for years now. Yet we just shift him around to keep him playing.
Herman beat out Cordle?  
Lowell.. : 8/20/2013 12:56 pm : link
He'll be lucky to beat The Turk on the first roster cut.
The interesting thing will be if Pugh excells at RT  
BlueHurricane : 8/20/2013 12:56 pm : link
What they do when Baas comes back. My guess is DD back to RT and Pugh back to the bench but one can hope that is gets DD to the bench where he still has a tiny amount of value as a versatile depth player.
You guys are ridiculous  
4to80 : 8/20/2013 1:02 pm : link
If the coaches decided Diehl to LG is what's best for the team at the moment, then I'm going with them. They would know, you wouldn't.
Pugh excels and  
Lowell.. : 8/20/2013 1:08 pm : link
you bench him for DD?
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arcarsenal : 8/20/2013 1:08 pm : link
4to80.. because the coaches are always right 100% of the time?

Most of us have noted (over and over) the liability that has been Dave Diehl. Seems we were right about that.
Blue Hurricane  
BillT : 8/20/2013 1:09 pm : link
When Baas returns it will be Boothe to LG, DD to the bench. Pugh is set as long as he doesn't bomb.
the notion that somehow Reese  
HomerJones45 : 8/20/2013 1:15 pm : link
needs to "babysit" Coughlin is about as retarded a notion as has ever been floated around BBI.
don't be so sure of that BillT  
WeatherMan : 8/20/2013 1:16 pm : link
remember Locklear getting benched despite being healthy last year when Diehl was ready to go back to RT? I can definitely see, based on precedence with this staff, Baas returning, Boothe back to LG and Diehl back to RT... much to our collective chagrin.
BillT  
BlueHurricane : 8/20/2013 1:18 pm : link
History does not side with that which scares the shit out of me. When O'Hara had the monster fork sticking out of his back in 2010 Coughlin reinserted him into a line that was performing very well and destroyed the chemistry that had developed. Against the Vikings with DD, Boothe, Seubs, Snee, Kmac they ran the ball up and down the field for a total of 200+ yards. The next week in the Nightmare pt2 vs Philly with DD, Seubs, O'Hara, Snee, K Mac we couldn't run to save ourselves and it cost us the game. I fear the same thing when Baas returns.

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arcarsenal : 8/20/2013 1:18 pm : link
Yep.. Diehl could very, very easily get his spot right back when Baas returns. Which would be infuriating. But should be expected.
Hurricane...  
BillKo : 8/20/2013 1:21 pm : link
while inserting OHara was a mistake, that didn't cost us the Philly game. Bone head plays cost us that game.
i dunno, I'm with Hurricane  
Dave : 8/20/2013 1:31 pm : link
the OL looked great, with O'Hara out
Could be a blessing in disguise....  
damdevs : 8/20/2013 1:34 pm : link
With possible Betty Mosley Boothe Snee Pugh as our starting OL.

That just might be the best combo we can put together even with Baas and Diehl healthy.

It might take some time to gel, but that group could be pretty good.
O'Hara definitely contributed.  
Curtis in VA : 8/20/2013 1:35 pm : link
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I've been saying he would start sooner rather than later  
UberAlias : 8/20/2013 1:42 pm : link
This staff is not stupid. They drafted Pugh for a reason and there was no question they were expecting him to win the job. Most on here were saying they could not see it happen, but it was not hard to read between the lines and see this was only going to be a matter of time.
That was regarding Pugh getting the start  
UberAlias : 8/20/2013 1:43 pm : link
obviously.
Inside Football's Cruz update  
bluefin : 8/20/2013 1:50 pm : link
nice quotes from Victor, and an all-around good article
Link - ( New Window )
I really do not like thinking about this game a all but......  
BlueHurricane : 8/20/2013 2:00 pm : link
Quote:
Hurricane...
BillKo : 1:21 pm
while inserting OHara was a mistake, that didn't cost us the Philly game. Bone head plays cost us that game.


If we could have run the rock at the end of the game with the monster lead we had they would have been unable to catch us. We couldn't and we kept giving them the ball back.
Yeah... you're right Homer, it's not like Reese never had to step in  
Mason : 8/20/2013 2:11 pm : link
for Coughlin to get rid of coaches and flat out cut players. Yep, Coughlin never kept veterans longer than he should in Jacksonville. It's all made up and just internet rumors. Yep, he was really cold blooded about wanting to get rid of Lewis and Hufnagel.
Mason  
BigBluePrestige : 8/20/2013 2:12 pm : link
elle oh elle
dandev: Putting Pugh and Mosley in the starting OL may not  
Bobby Epps : 8/20/2013 2:13 pm : link
be a good idea.

That's two rookies in the starting lineup and that makes me uncomfortable about protecting Eli.
Also agree on  
mainiac : 8/20/2013 2:13 pm : link
Big Blue Blogger's 11:37.

Yes, we're conditioned to expect that even if Pugh outplays DD at RT that DD will still take back that spot when Baas is back.

Alternate theory:

Coaches understand DD is physically outmatched, and move him to Guard (saving face for a guy who helped the team win 2 rings), while putting the hoped-for future guy in at RT.

If it all works, then eventually DD will come out due to "injury" but remain a starter on paper for at least a chunk of the season. A soft way to ease out the guy nobody on the coaching staff wants to ease out.


* I'd be less optimistic if DD stayed at RT and they just shuffled the interior OL.
I would bet  
mdc1 : 8/20/2013 2:24 pm : link
that the Giants staff is worried about China Doll Beatty and a suitable LT replacement. Maybe they don't want to get rid of Diehl exactly for that reason. Sure he will get beat but at least he knows the plays. Makes sense that Pugh was in at LT.
Bobby Epps,  
Curtis in VA : 8/20/2013 2:25 pm : link
with the exception of Will Beatty, I'm not really entirely comfortable with anyone on the OL protecting Eli.
Arc  
4to80 : 8/20/2013 2:32 pm : link
My point is that Diehl is not still in the starting lineup because anybody is overly loyal to him. It's because the coaches are more comfortable with him than what they've seen from his possible alternatives. Their firsthand judgement is is a lot more credible than any of us reading twitter practice updates and watching games on tv. There is no conspiracy going on to keep Diehl in the lineup, it's more likely nobody else has earned his spot yet.
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arcarsenal : 8/20/2013 2:43 pm : link
Then how come Sean Locklear stepped in when Diehl got hurt last year and did a much better job than Diehl? What happened last year doesn't quite jive with your explanation.
Mason, your view of the world  
HomerJones45 : 8/20/2013 2:57 pm : link
Please point to a direct source where Reese says he had to step in and fire a coach or get rid of a player. Please point to a direct source where Reese got rid of a coach or player without Coughlin's agreement.

And I don't mean some sportswriter's opinion that you have swallowed whole hog.
Locklear  
Mark from Jersey : 8/20/2013 2:58 pm : link
was very solid for us last year...
If anything, that supports my claim.  
4to80 : 8/20/2013 2:59 pm : link
Locklear stayed at RT as the starter even once Diehl was healthy again because he came in and EARNED it before unfortunately blowing out his knee, at which point Diehl was inserted back in. Until the coaches feel more comfortable with Mosley at G or Cordle at C than having Diehl at G, then this makes sense to me.
Curtis  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/20/2013 3:01 pm : link
no confidence in Boothe or Baas when he's healthy?
Mosley is not a rookie...  
fredgbrown : 8/20/2013 3:03 pm : link
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dandev: Putting Pugh and Mosley in the starting OL may not
Bobby Epps : 2:13 pm
be a good idea.

That's two rookies in the starting lineup and that makes me uncomfortable about protecting Eli.
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arcarsenal : 8/20/2013 3:05 pm : link
4to80.. wrong. Diehl was given his job back as soon as he got healthy despite Locklear playing far better in his absense. Locklear's knee injury happened in Washington when he was filling in for Diehl who had gotten banged up again.
DD is not getting his starting RT spot back when Baas returns  
BillT : 8/20/2013 3:06 pm : link
They could have covered for Baas in other ways. This is about getting the #1 pick on the field and on the field for good.
fredgbrown: Mosley is essentially a rookie, having been injured in  
Bobby Epps : 8/20/2013 3:11 pm : link
last year's preseason. I knew that he was on PS last year.

BUT, never having played a down in a regular season game, IMO makes him a rookie.

oh cmon..are we really going to revisit that game.......  
BillKo : 8/20/2013 3:39 pm : link
we lost because we let the Eagles score within 30 seconds of going up 31-10 with eight minutes left. It's like we didn't even score.

Then, we gave the ball immediately back to them after a botched onside kick that we were oblivous too.

We make one, or both those plays, the game is ours.

And, even with O'Hara out of the game, who says we still run the ball with the Eagles selling out on defense?
FredG/Epps: Mosley spent 2012 on IR.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/20/2013 3:40 pm : link
That makes him even more of a rookie than guys like McCants, Goodin and Browning, who have at least practiced with NFL talent in previous seasons.
and there it is...  
Josh in the City : 8/20/2013 3:45 pm : link
Quote:
@NotoriousOHM
Working with 1st team OL in unit drill: LT Beatty, LG Diehl, C Boothe, RG Snee, RT Pugh
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Josh in the City : 8/20/2013 3:47 pm : link
Jernigan  
MattHofstra : 8/20/2013 3:49 pm : link
Dropped 2 punts from what I saw
Obviosly the coaches should know who best to play,  
Mike L. : 8/20/2013 4:01 pm : link
but they have been proven wrong before. Cruz was in TCs doghouse after dropping one pass in game 1 back in 2011. They brought Stokely and played him over Cruz. That, to me, is an obvious huge blunder in hindsight. I'm ok with starting DD at LT or LG, but if he struggles, let's see what Pugh, Mosely or Brewer bring to the table during a real game. This is where I think TC may go wrong - he'll stick with DD too long. If the other guys prove they're worse, go back to DD. I don't see why that's so hard to do? It's not like your messing with a QBs mentality. I would think a vet like DD could handle it.
More good news...  
Josh in the City : 8/20/2013 4:02 pm : link
Quote:
@TomRock_Newsday
Antrel flying around in agility drill. Shows no visible limitation a week after spraining his ankle.
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