Giants to shift Diehl to Guard, Pugh new starting RT

Baas at G won't (and shouldn't) be an option.

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Diehl at Guard or anywhere on the starting OL doesn't seem like a good idea, but at least he's being moved from the Tackle position so hopefully this is only temporary.

but I would think he will still be an improvement at RT. The bar wasn't exactly set to high. As to when Baas returns what will happen. I think Diehl will get his job back at RT. He got it back last year when he came back from injury, don't see any reason to think the coaches will do differant.

He must prove he is capable and this is his chance.

On the otherhand, DD had a few bad plays;on the whole he wasn't bad.

Boothe to C, Pugh to RT, Deihl or Moseley to LG
Victor in CT : 8:06 am
May as well make Boothe the C now. Baas is always injured. They can't rely on him returning and staying healthy.

I agree with those saying that maybe Moseley should get a look at LG.

"On the whole he wasn't bad"

He was awful.

Makes no sense to swap him and Boothe. Baas is a better center. Boothe is a better guard.

BillT: If Baas were expected to miss months rather than weeks, Mosley-->LG would be in the mix, especially if Diehl struggles against the Jets. For this brief absence, I think they just want a quick veteran Band-Aid. When Baas returns, Diehl goes to the bench - unless Pugh washes out completely - and Boothe goes back to LG. Mosley will continue to work his way up the depth chart. I think he's a live candidate to replace Boothe eventually, but not as part of this short-term reshuffle.

reading BBI?

I'm worried about him going up against Ware for his very first assigment........ouch.

You know the Pokes will try to exploit that.

...or Goodin, or somebody else. Point is, we now know that Cordle isn't really the #2 center. He's the #3 center on a team that might only have room for two, once those two are healthy.

think Dave Diehl is a very good guard these days, but I'm not sure there's a better answer on the roster.

Boothe's shotgun snaps are an adventure waiting to happen and Pugh looks promising, but is raw and a little weaker than I'd like.
Not an ideal situation.

is just another step for Diehl. And by the start of the season he will be a back up.

is Diehl on the bench?

I think the starting O-line should be:

Beatty
Snee
Bass (when he gets healthy) Boothe for now
Brewer
Pugh

out of the line-up with this move.

Yeah, I'd agree. With Baas' return in 3,4,5 weeks DD becomes a stopgap. Just too bad Mosley lost last year. He'd be a starter this year otherwise

I was just waiting to read a thread about this sometime soon.

I'd put Brewer ahead of Diehl, btw.

....Mitch Petrus!

Diehl should be loved by Giants fans. Not for his play the last couple of years of course. But if you feel the need to go attack mode, attack the coaches who continued to trot him out there.

Diehl should no longer be a starter, but he's the shit.

They're not switching Snee to LG. He's the RG period.

Great minds! Let's hope this is the beginning of gracefully moving forward with some youth on the OL.

General questions :

Has Mosley gotten any reps at LG? Boothe's a UFA after this season, iirc.

Is Snee's cap hit massive again next season? Sportrac and the like are blocked at work for me.

It's still at $9,000,000 though.

What does it take for Coughlin to let go of Diehl? You would think Diehl is married to his daughter.

As fans, all we can really ask out of the players is that they give us maximum effort. Diehl worked his ass off, worked his way up the depth chart, and fended off a few guys once he became a starter. It's more of an indictment on the coaches that he continues to get meaningful snaps. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Coughlin too, but every coach has his warts. Even Parcells had his flaws.

while wearing a Giant uniform. It will get ugly

It's possible...

When Baas returns, he's the 1st back-up at LG and RT. Pugh stays unless he is totally destroyed in the final two preseason games.

$9M is still a monster cap hit for an OG.

If he returns to health, I'd look to rework his deal with some new money and reduce that cap hit. Mosley at LG, and see if Capers continues to grow, as well as Brewer, and Herman.

switched the guards on accident.

especially when we have two years of Baas at $8 plus in 2014, 2015.

as he was the starting Left tackle at Syracuse so I think he will be ok

as we will have a tight end planted over there the entire game likely robinson or pascoe

He'll get help from Brown/Wilson as well.

Shit, I thought it was one more. Can't rework him, but Snee is an option, if healthy.

Hope you are right though.

Checking.......

with a small cap savings and a dead money hit.

2014 $8,225,000
2015 $8,475,000

The rest of the NFL should be a cakewalk for him.

LT LG C RG RT
Beatty Brewer ? Mosley Pugh

Why not just rip off the band-aid now and do THAT.

Snee can play Center, so plug him in until Baas gets back, and then use Snee as a back-up utility guy.

Center should be a 1st day priority in next years draft.

in making sound decisions. Even the ones that might not have panned out, you could understand the rationalization. Constantly restructuring Baas was always a head scratcher. I get why we overpaid to sign him in the 1st place, and that we are up against the cap when we asked him to restructure. I just hope we don't end up losing JPP or Linval on the account of Baas' cap hit in the next couple years.

...focused on DD and thought he wasn't awful. They slanted the protections his way after several early whiffs. He stank. Just awful.

I appreciate his contributions but at this stage the sooner he retires the better. He's looked bad at OG in recent stints there. That ship has sailed. He's an OT. Unfortunately at this point he's one of the worst in football.

Now we can move on to more pressing matters.

Like hoping that the 4th string Colts QB gets cut because Pam Oliver's face ran into one of his passes before the game Sunday night.

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in the off-season.

but it was finally time to place him on the bench. He was a solid player for most of his time here until he got old starting in 2011

I can't see the Giants cutting Baas next year because the cap savings isn't significant, so we'll probably hold onto him for one more season

if you cut Baas after 2014 it's still $6.45m in DEAD money and only a "savings" of $1.775m

An absolutely mind-numbing restructure. Can't believe JR did that.

Diehl period! He might've been worse at guard in 2011 than he was at tackle in 2011. maybe the team played so well he just blended in at left tackle. Did a decent job against demarcus ware even though he looked like shit in the second of half of the nfc championship game while also struggling in the superbowl

think, I hope, Coughlin is beginning to understand that Diehl is done. Pugh is a rookie who has missed most of camp, but is named the incumbent starter at RT over Diehl after only one preseason game.

You eat that hit if you cut him before the '14 season. That's why I believe he'll be here for next season.