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Justin Pugh's 11 plays vs. the Colts

Beez : 8/22/2013 11:00 pm
I don't recall this much buildup for an O-lineman on this team for many, many years, and much as I've loved Dave Diehl over the years, and have winced at all the recent commentary, albeit accurate, I'll miss him but also welcome Pugh into the immediate fray.

Looking forward to his start against the Jets (and I don't expect him to relinquish the spot for the next 7, 8, maybe 10 years), I went back and watched all 11 plays he was on the field vs. the Colts. All were played in the third quarter - across two series - and all at left tackle. As we know, he'll take over at right tackle (for now).

Yes, I know we can't judge a player on 11 snaps. But pre-season is certainly a time for indicators, no?

He played two series, a total of 11 snaps. By my judgment, 10 of those 11 yielded positive results - by Pugh, anyway. A few of the plays were not successful, but on only one of them could I find any level of fault with Pugh, individually ... but even on that one play, it was the failure of others that led to Pugh's man getting the better of it.

Here they are, Pugh's 11 plays from scrimmage vs. Indy:

* 1st-and-10: (run) Pugh sealed the DE on his side nicely.

* 2nd-and-8: (run) Pugh hit the DE and turned him completely away from the direction of the play; he then went to the second level, where he hit and sealed a linebacker.

* 3rd-and-5: (pass) Pugh held off rookie DE Bjorn Werner nicely (pass completed for first down). (Note: Pugh, whenever confronted with Werner, did well ... as opposed to Diehl struggling in the first half with Werner's quickness.)

* 1st-and-10: (run) Pugh registers a somewhat soft hit on the Cots DT (who was not in on the tackle, for what it's worth).

* 2nd-and-8: (pass) Pugh stonewalls Werner on the left side, however, O-lineman Matt McCants was beaten by the Colts DT, who went inside to sack David Carr.

* 3rd-and-13: (pass) Colts blitz (INC pass) Pugh stonewalls LB Caesar Rayford (noteworthy: the rookie LB Rayford is listed as 6-foot-t-7, 267 pounds).

Second set of downs ...

* 1st-and-10: (pass) Pugh stops 310-pound DT Drake Nevis at the LOS.

* 2nd-and-3: (run) Pugh turns the rookie Werner out nicely ... the run goes up the middle, Werner not a factor.

* 1st-and-10: (pass) Pugh stonewalls Werner at the LOS.

* 2nd-and-2:(pass)Pugh holds off the rush of Colts LB Monte Simmons nicely.

* 3rd-and-2: (Robinson false start)

* 3rd-and-7: (pass) The only play that, if pressed, you could consider a negative for Pugh ... but not completely. On this one, Pugh pushed the oversized LB Rayford out, but on the rush, BOTH right-side Giants O-linemen (OT James Brewer and OG Brandon Mosley) were beaten badly and the pocket collapsed to the QB's right, forcing him to step up, and into Rayford, who was, at that point, re-directing to the left on Pugh. Result: Sack by Rayford.

And that was it for Pugh.

+++

Given the results he yielded (yes, albeit against a second-half defense - still including the tough rookie Werner, though), I'm pretty damn excited to see young Mr. Pugh get reps with the first group, and I'm quite optimistic that he'll rise to the occasion.

With all the gloom-and-doom about our O-line, I think we have ourselves a gem in this kid.
Thanks BEEZ  
nyGIANT90 : 8/22/2013 11:05 pm : link
Awesome stuff!
but...but..  
SHO'NUFF : 8/22/2013 11:10 pm : link
BBI says otherwise...
Thanks for taking the time to break down those plays  
David in LA : 8/22/2013 11:14 pm : link
very informative, and certainly reason enough to be excited about Pugh. I was concerned by the short arms, but like Reese said, it's not an issue for him on the field. It'd be nice to see another young prospect to step up and earn meaningful stats, and would go a long way in terms of how long our OL has to gel and become a cohesive unit. Who knows, maybe Brewer or Mosley is that guy.
David ...  
Beez : 8/22/2013 11:22 pm : link
imagine is Pugh (23) works out, and Cordle (26) and Herman ( 24) become mainstays as well. Solid.
* imagine if  
Beez : 8/22/2013 11:22 pm : link
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I'm intrigued by Herman, who doesn't love Pancakes?  
David in LA : 8/22/2013 11:25 pm : link
He most likely needs some work and very well could be a PS candidate, but his upside is exciting. I didn't really pay close attention on him during the Colts game, did you happen to at all?
Pugh will make some mistakes this year  
mofti : 8/22/2013 11:26 pm : link
but i feel this guy will be one of the top right tackles in the NFL in a couple of years. Him and beatty should be able to solve the tackle position for years.

Seems like Reese hit the jackpot again this draft. Pugh, Hankins, and Moore all have showed a lot of promise moving forward. Lets not forget Mr. Cox!

Cox seems to be a steal and we still don't know what we are going to get from taylor and hermann.

It will also be interesting to see what we get for Nassib down the road.
Not yet.  
Beez : 8/22/2013 11:27 pm : link
But now I'm motivated. :)

Maybe tomorrow.
About Cox ...  
Beez : 8/22/2013 11:29 pm : link
... flipping through the second half, on Cox's second screen run, he was NOT down when the whistles blew. Dude shoulda been allowed to keep going. Great balance from the kid.

Others have said it, but yeah ... adios Da'Rell Scott.
pugh  
Rob_MTL : 8/22/2013 11:30 pm : link
The kid looked pretty smooth. He didnt look like a rookie.
Here's the video of all of Pugh's plays  
guitarguybs07 : 8/22/2013 11:34 pm : link
...
Justin Pugh vs IND - ( New Window )
Pugh seems to have really good footwork,  
batman11 : 8/22/2013 11:48 pm : link
but he needs to stop grabbing a hold of his opponent. He keeps that up, he is going to get whistled for a lot of holding calls. ...unless they are coaching him up to hold on every play, assuming about only half of them will be called. Just like VCU and the Louisville hoop teams foul on almost every possession. It is a good strategy, in hoops, if you have the athletes to keep applying pressure.
I'm being half-serious when I say this  
David in LA : 8/22/2013 11:51 pm : link
but I think Pugh's short arms work to his advantage regarding holding. Can the refs really see a proper hold with those short ass arms? :-)
I think the fact that the team is going to give him a shot this early  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/23/2013 1:42 am : link
and even with some missed practices, is a sign they liked what they saw that game. I don't think it's heard of for TC to just put a kid out there unless he really likes what he has.

I fully expected Pugh to have to sit for a few weeks as many rookies do.
ideally  
Rob_MTL : 8/23/2013 1:50 am : link
You grab onto the defenders chest plat. It's perfectly legal.

That's how its taught.
Once he gets stronger  
Nick from Goa : 8/23/2013 2:26 am : link
and gets more experience, he will be very good. Like the footwork and technique. He's got a good work ethic and is intelligent. Just stay healthy
The impressive part was that he played LT  
ZogZerg : 8/23/2013 7:00 am : link
when he was mainly practicing RT in camp.
We'll see how he does at RT against a tough Jets D.
I assume that there will be some growing pains along the way. But, he is a mid first round draft pick. He should be able to start from day 1.

Thought  
AcidTest : 8/23/2013 7:11 am : link
he did well. Needs to get stronger, but has the feet to play on the edge, at least RT, and is an excellent technician. Herman is for the PS. Cordle is a perennial backup at best.

What concerns me is how much turnover on the OL is going to happen next season. We have a $100M two time winning SB MVP QB to protect. Diehl is gone, maybe even this year, but certainly after this season. Cordle, Snee, and Boothe, could also be gone, although I hope Boothe returns, especially since he got no offers in FA this off season.

Here's hoping we can find at least a few starters or capable backups from Brewer, Mosley, Herman, and Goodin.
Although I wasn't familiar with Pugh  
mrvax : 8/23/2013 8:10 am : link
I found it very hard to believe Reese would have reached in the 1st round to get a sub-par tackle. I know we needed one but if they had to "settle" for Pugh, they wouldn't have done it.

Reese knew that this kid was a very good prospect and so I'm not surprised at all to see him play well. If it wasn't for certain circumstances, Pugh would not start until mid-season just because.
guitarguybs07  
Gman11 : 8/23/2013 8:30 am : link
Thanks for posting that.

Pugh looks pretty good to me especially for a rookie playing in his first game.

I have two exceptions to the analysis though. On the first play the DE pulled an Osi and took himself out of the play. I don't really think that Pugh was that much of a factor on that play. On the last one, he helped out the guard and left the blitzing DB all alone. If he slides out and takes the DB, there's no sack.
He looks really good  
mdthedream : 8/23/2013 8:36 am : link
He passes the eye test that is for sure.
Great post!  
fbdad : 8/23/2013 8:43 am : link
We get so much "He sucks" or "He's great" or broad generalizations like 'He's too slow" or 'He can't block" around here with little if anything in the way of support. Going thru an analysis play by play takes effort but it's the only way to really make a point. There's a big difference between being a turnstile all game and missing one block that you happened to look up from your nachos to see or that happened to be picked up on camera from 4 angles and harped on by an announcer who can only pick out a football from a crowd because it's the pointy one.
When did you decide  
Randy in CT : 8/23/2013 8:48 am : link
to become productive, you fucknut?

Nice work.
I think he was in for more than 11 plays  
cnuke : 8/23/2013 8:51 am : link
guitarguy posted a link to a video with most of his plays in the game. Pugh was in there at the end of the first half,but I think Beez's analysis doesn't start until the second half.
What stood out to me...  
Capt. Don : 8/23/2013 8:56 am : link
was that his legs are always bent. Seems simple but some guys stand up after that initial move. He is always in an athletic stance.
I think (hope) that he's going to prove all  
Gman11 : 8/23/2013 9:09 am : link
the draft day "experts" wrong and become a stalwart on the OL for years.

This week should be a good test for him because he'll be playing with and against the 1s. Will he make mistakes? Sure. They all do, even the vets.
Focusing on Pugh from the stands, I took away one thing  
SwirlingEddie : 8/23/2013 9:17 am : link
McCants is really bad.

Actually, I thought Pugh did well. I was impressed by his ability to move his feet and set a wide base while still remaining nimble. There was one play where there seemed to be confusion on the left side as to who was to block whom but other than that I was pleased with his performance.
Couple thoughts  
Beer Man : 8/23/2013 9:27 am : link
1. Coaches have seen all options on the team to take over the RT role and are going with Justin P. Could have gone Brewer who has been around a couple of years, so obviously they are seeing that the kid has talent, is playing well, and is learning fast.

2. Before we get too high on him, remember he is still a rookie and will experience growing pains, particullarly week-1 against Dallas where he will be lining up against one of the NFL's top pass rushers
good stuff beez  
Victor in CT : 8/23/2013 9:31 am : link
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Gman11  
cnuke : 8/23/2013 10:20 am : link
The first play in the video doesn't match up with the first play in Beez's review (at least I don't think it does). I agree with your second point, I think Pugh's worst play was the last play on the video (a play that Beez didn't break down).

On that play the RE lined up across from Pugh stunted inside, and the CB from that side came in on the blitz. Pugh turned inside and helped block the DT, while the CB ran unblocked and ultimately got the sack.

I the other sack, I think it was more caused by the break down on the right side of the offensive line, and Carr taking too deep of a drop.
Beez  
Lowell.. : 8/23/2013 10:36 am : link
Nice job! However, if you were to chart Cordle's plays, I think you would conclude that this guy got beat on nearly every play. He's very slow and his technique is poor. Just observe his hand placement as compared to his fellow lineman and you'll see a big difference. Herman will be lucky to make the first cut.
By going with the rookie Pugh  
chops : 8/23/2013 12:50 pm : link
the coaches are saying that Brewer is not the answer.
Pugh is a first round pick with more talent than Brewer, it  
BigBlueBuff : 8/23/2013 12:55 pm : link
doesn't mean that necessarily mean that Brewer is a bad player and doesn't have a future on the team as a valuable backup.
Ha, Randy.  
Beez : 8/23/2013 1:37 pm : link
I love you, man.
Don't watch Adrian Robinson  
Joey in VA : 8/23/2013 2:32 pm : link
In that pugh cut up unless you want to be very ill
BUT At what point did you notice  
mattlawson : 8/23/2013 4:21 pm : link
His arms were too short?
I really like him in the run game  
old timer : 8/23/2013 6:31 pm : link
He was fast and powerful off the snap. His pass blocking will need work but he is an immediate upgrade in the running game.
David in LA, now wouldn't that be hilarious  
PatersonPlank : 8/23/2013 7:37 pm : link
if after all this "blubbering" about his short arms and how he can't play in the NFL because his arm is 1/2 inch shorter than ideal, it turns out that having a slightly shorter (read more human normal arm length) is a plus?
Pugh looked good in limited action  
TheDream88 : 8/23/2013 8:55 pm : link
Hopefully we found a keeper.
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