I'm trying to find a reason why either of these guys should make the roster and with the drafting of Nassib I just don't see it. That said, I think one of them will definitely be here, here's why I disagree with it.
To me, the drafting of Nassib is totally different than Woodson or Bomar. Nassib is not a guy who was viewed as a 5th-7th rounder you take a flyer on. Many thought he was a consideration for a top 10 pick and almost everyone considered him a 1st or 2nd round pick at worst. With the recent success of young QBs, should a talent like Nassib not be considered to be a capable back-up?
This is where Carr and Painter make no sense to me. I admit I am of the belief that if Eli goes down for any significant amount of time, all is lost. If Eli ever did get hurt, I know I'd want to see Nassib and I'd be really pissed if I had to watch 1 of the other 2. I feel the presence of Carr or Painter will slow/stunt the growth of Nassib. Furthermore, if you think either of those guys are giving you a good chance to win any games, it's not happening.
I'd much rather save the roster spot for guys like Donnell, Trattou/Tracy/Ojomo, Patterson/Austin or maybe another Safety.
Not only did that coach not pick him, he picked another QB
Then, again, Coach loyalty may come into play in which case Painter is a goner.
LOL
Maybe one of you intelligent football guys can remind me what I'm missing here.
And who knows? Maybe some team gets desperate for a young QB and will offer something of value.
Keep punting and rely on points from the defense ...
Can we put it to bed that we WON'T go with Nassib as our only back-up ??
For the "offense too complex" crowd - you realize they can slim down the playbook if they need to.
If he's being drafted to basically be better then Carr, then lets get it started now.
Giants probably saw the market for which QB's were being traded over the last few years. If they can build up his value and the end result comes in the form of draft picks, I think it's a good move.
Kirk Cousins was a fourth rounder and he won two games for the 'Skins last year.
Hated the pick in April; hate it even more now that Carr will be getting Nassib's reps. Because Carr won't win us any games if Eli goes down
David Carr or Painter give me absolutely no reason to believe their chances in one game are any better than Ryan Nassib.
Again, a playbook can always be simplified (see Eli vs. Pittsburgh in 04). There's not much you can do when a guy is just terrible.
My only concern is how well Nassib can run the scout team for the defense, especially early in the season.
I hear you, I'm just not agreeing with this notion if it's indeed the case.
And Painter really isn't any better than Nassib, so cut both of them.
Carr, he is the safe choice, but makes little sense otherwise.
If you used a pick on Nassib, then you have to keep him.
Lets hope Eli keeps the Ironman thing going.
Nassib hasn't shown anything to get excited about in his preseason game appearances. He may develop but I would not risk a season or even a game with him as the backup this year.
Here is some of the 4th round picks by the Giants, not great odds at grabbing an impact player at any position:
TE-Adrian Robinson
OL-Brandon Mosley
OL-James Brewer
LB-Phillip Dillard
RB-Andre Brown
LB-Bryan Kehl
LS-Zak DeOssie
DT-Barry Cofield
OL-Guy Whimper
RB-Brandon Jacobs
LB-Reggie Torbor
CB-Rod Babers
DE-Cedric Scott
QB-Jesse Palmer
LB-Brandon Short
RB-Sean Bennett
LB-Pete Monty
QB-Danny Kanell
OL-Rob Zatechka
LB-Ben Talley
S-Tito Wooten (supp)
DT-Chris Maumalanga
OL-Greg Bishop
DL-Keith Hamilton
OL-Clarence Jones
S-David Whitmore
So 23 years yielded Jacobs, Hamilton and Cofield as impact starters. The rest have been back-ups, marginal starters, special teams contributors or non-contributors.
By comparison the QBs taken in the 4th are
Kirk Cousins
Mike Kafka
Stephen McGee
Isaih Stanback
Kyle Orton
Stephan LeFors
Luke McNown
Seneca Wallace
David Garrard
Rohan Davey
Chris Weinke
Sage Rosenfels
Jesse Palmer
Joe Germaine
Aaron Brooks
Danny Wuerffel
Pat Barnes
Jeff Lewis
Danny Kanell
Rob Johnson
Chad May
Dave Barr
Steve Stenstrom
Perry Klein
Doug Nussmeier
Craig Erikson
Casey Weldon
Will Furrer
Chris Hakel
Scott Zolak
Donald Hollas
Bill Muscrave
Troy Taylor
Cary Conklin
Scott Mitchell
Cousins, Orton, Wallace, Garrard, Rosenfels, Brooks and Johnson have all been decent back-up QBs over the same span of years.
Any way you cut it the 4th round is a crap-shoot. If you have a highly graded player sitting there in the 4th, even if all you expect him to be is a back-up QB. That is still decent value for that part of the draft based on history.
It's a 4th rounder - not saying they're disposable, but you're not likely to get a quality starter there (for most positions), and even a solid backup would take some time to develop.
Think they will offer what we gave up to draft this guy? A 4th and 6th? Who would pay even that for a guy who probably will never be in an NFL game? If he never plays a regular NFL game, how do you put a value on him?
If the Giants don't get something much better than that, it's a mistake on their part, if he is never used.....
I think Matt Flynn-to-Seattle made a lot of GMs see the value in having a capable back-up beyond the obvious need when a starter gets hurt. The Giants know there's a chance in 2 to 3 years they can convert that once-4th round pick possibly into a 3rd or even second rounder by trading him.
Even without that, you can look at what happened to Brady and Peyton Manning, both of which were in similar consecutive-game streaks to Eli (Peyton's significantly longer, actually) and see why drafting Nassib makes sense. Knock the fuck on wood, but on any given play, we could loss Eli anywhere from one play to one series to one season. It's the nature of the NFL and I'm sure no one here needs an education on that aspect of things. Nassib is a guy who--with the proper development--can hopefully step in and be a productive player and maybe even keep a team in playoff contention if the running game and defense cooperates... maybe even better. Who the Hell knows?
I was off the mindset that Nassib was going to be our backup quaterback this year and we wouldn't carry three QBs, but I've since waived on this position when neither Painter nor Carr was let go in the first round of cuts. The Giants are a classy organization and I think they'd like to give whoever they're gonna cut more time if they actually knew he was going to be cut. I genuinely don't think the Giants know who they want to let go, and all this tells me that we might have to prepare ourselves for a 3-QB'd roster. It makes sense on some levels. I don't think Eli is going to be in student-teacher mode with the Demarcus Wares of the NFL ready to kill him every week... in his prime, none the less. Painter or Carr could work with Nassib, make him a better player, while simultaneously bringing experience to the backup QB spot.
Are there other needs that could better be addressed with a roster spot than the 3rd string QB? Perhaps. But why are we still carrying four if the Giants feel this way?
So the immediate question is whether it's practical for an NFL team to keep its #2 quarterback on a couch, thousands of miles away. There are precedents of a sort: guys like Vinny Testaverde and Kerry Collins have come off Barcaloungers to start; but it's not something an NFL team normally plans on.
Based on Eli's history of not missing time, it leads me to believe he plays through a lot of injuries that others will miss time for. Which means when he does miss some time to an injury, it will likely be a fairly significant injury and he will be out for a while. Having a guy who can grow into a starters role would be smart roster management.
I forget how that turned out.
I'd like to keep both Painter and Nassib on the roster.
Then again, if there had been free agency in 1984, Simms might not have been around for SB XXI.
Next year they hope Nassib will outperform Carr. End of story.