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List of players eligilbe for the Practice Squad - Part II

Optimus-NY : 8/26/2013 12:53 pm
We were talking about this on another thread from yesterday. Click below to read it:
List of 29 players eligible for the Giants' Practice Squad | Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 12:05 pm

After the cut-down to 75 was made yesterday (2 days ahead of time), the list was narrowed down. Right now there are 17 definites and 3 maybes. They are as follows:


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17 Definites:

1. OT/OG, Justin Pugh - 2013 1st round Draft Pick
2. DT, Johnathan Hankins - 2013 2nd round Draft Pick
3. DE, Damontre Moore - 2013 3rd round Draft Pick
4. QB, Ryan Nassib - 2013 4th round Draft Pick
5. S, Cooper Taylor - 2013 5th round Draft Pick
6. OG, Eric Herman - 2013 7th round Draft Pick
7. RB, Michael Cox - 2013 7th round Draft Pick
8. DE, Matt Broha - 2012 Giants Practice Squad member
9. OG, Bryant Browning
10. TE, Larry Donnell - 2012 Giants Practice Squad member
11. CB, Terrence Frederick
12. OG/C, Stephen Goodin - 2012 Giants Practice Squad member (off and on)
13. WR, Kevin Hardy
14. WR, Marcus Harris - 2013 UDFA
15. OT, Matt McCants - 2012 Giants Practice Squad member
16. WR, Julian Talley
17. CB, Charles James - 2013 UDFA


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Maybes:

18. ? Justin Trattou - active for 6 games in 2011; IR in 2012
19. ? Brandon Mosley - IR in 2012
20. ? Adewale Ojomo - Made 53-man roster in 2012




Nygirlie, Big Blue Bogger, & fredgbrown were all pretty active on that thread yesterday off the top of my head. Let's see if we can put our heads together and figure out what the Practice Squad status is for the three questionable guys I mentioned above that we were debating yesterday (Trattou, Ojomo, & Mosley ). Using the info. from the other thread, and whatever you might find on your own, let's see if we can nail this down today for sure.


Here's the Practice Squad Eligibility link:
Practice Squad Rules: Who’s Eligible? - by Brian McFarland | Posted on August 31, 2012


Here is the link to the CBA:
Go to Article 33, Section 4 covering Practice Squad Eligibility


As i understand the rules,  
Enoch : 8/26/2013 1:00 pm : link
Trattou is not eligible, but the other 2 are.

Mosley only has 1 accrued season, during which he spent less than 8 games on the active roster. (Entire year on IR.)

Ojomo was on the 53-man, but was only active for 1 game, per his NFL.com gamelog page.

Trattou, though, has 2 accrued seasons, so it doesn't matter than he didn't pass the 8-games-active threshold in either one.

I think that's about right Enoch  
Optimus-NY : 8/26/2013 1:07 pm : link
Let me just post this for the sake of reference. Even though it's on the other thread, it makes sense to re-post it here:

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In order to be eligible for the Practice Squad, a player must:

1. Not have an accrued season of NFL service, defined as being on the team’s 53-man roster, PUP or IR for 6 games in any one season, or

2. Not been on a team’s 45-man game day active roster for more than 8 games during that one accrued season.

3. A player can serve 2 years on the Practice Squad and is eligible for a 3rd, if the team carries a full 53-man roster during the time the player is serving on the PS.

Source: Practice Squad Rules: Who’s Eligible? - by Brian McFarland | Posted on August 31, 2012
Just a reminder:  
BigBlueBuff : 8/26/2013 1:13 pm : link
Historically it seems that Reese and Coughlin like to use the back end of the PS to get a closer look at guys they may like so it's very likely that at least one or two of the PS spots are filled with players cut from other teams that the Giants have their eye on.
BBB - Without a doubt  
Optimus-NY : 8/26/2013 1:16 pm : link
Pro Personnel assistants all over the league are making lists and checking them twice come next weekend. This especially seems prevalent among teams that played each other during preseason.
Quote from page 160 of the CBA:  
nygirlie : 8/26/2013 1:23 pm : link
Section 4. Eligibility:
(a) The Practice Squad shall consist of the following players, provided that
they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Accrued Season(s). An otherwise eligible player may be a Practice Squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment.
(b) A player shall be deemed to have served on a Practice Squad in a season if he has passed the club’s physical and been a member of the club’s Practice Squad for at least three regular season or postseason games during his first two Practice Squad seasons, and for at least one regular season or postseason game during his third Practice Squad season. (For purposes of this Section, a bye week counts as a game provided that the player is not terminated until after the regular season or postseason weekend in question.)
From the above I have extracted as eligible:  
nygirlie : 8/26/2013 1:24 pm : link
(ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Accrued Season(s).
from the above literal reading, the McFarlane interpretation is wrong  
nygirlie : 8/26/2013 1:30 pm : link
the literal interpretaion of the badly drafted clause would appear to be--

an accrued season of less than 9 games is eligible and more than one accrued seasons of less than 9 games are eligible.

eligible meaning eligible for the PS.

nygirlie - So Ojomo and Mosely should be eligible then  
Optimus-NY : 8/26/2013 1:34 pm : link
Correct?
the bad drafting  
nygirlie : 8/26/2013 1:35 pm : link
the word "only" in clause (ii) is redundant. It also creates some ambiguity which McFarland misinterpreted IMHO.
Yes,  
nygirlie : 8/26/2013 1:41 pm : link
Ojomo, Trattou, and Moseley are all eligible.

Tracy and Kuhn are not.
Tracy and Kuhn aren't issues  
Optimus-NY : 8/26/2013 1:49 pm : link
Our only question mark right now is Trattou it seems. I think he's the only one we need to determine, correct?
Trattou and Moseley  
nygirlie : 8/26/2013 1:51 pm : link
are in identical situations.

Both are eligible.
nygirlie: Nice catch on the parenthesized s  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/26/2013 1:53 pm : link
That one letter does seem to open the door for Trattou. I thought the extra year on IR had ruled him out. Thanks.
Glad we can all put our heads together on this  
Optimus-NY : 8/26/2013 1:59 pm : link
Trattou is the one guy at this point who I have a question about. It looks like nygirlie cracked the case though. I agreed with myself at first, then disagreed, then agreed with Enoch and myself again, and then my head was spinning again, lol. This looks like it's a thorough answer. The wording is a pisser with that extra s. Good stuff nygirlie.

If anyone else wants to add something in, please do so. It would be good to get a consensus about this, since the mainstream media doesn't really care to cover this stuff. Watch them come here, and steal the info from this thread though and not credit it. Garafolo was the only one who didn't do that out of our local beat writers.
So we've got 20 then who are eligible for the P.S.  
Optimus-NY : 8/26/2013 2:10 pm : link
The 17 Definites listed in blue + Brandon Mosley, Justin Trattou, & Adewale Ojomo.

Let's discount Pugh, Hankins, Moore, Nassib, Taylor, & Cox. If those 6 ever hit the wavier wire, they'd get scooped up in two seconds (of course we know that it's not even a consideration for Pugh, Hankins, Moore, & Nassib; only a slight one for Taylor and Cox). Let's eliminate those 6 from this list of 20. The only Draft Pick who looks like he'd clear waivers is 7th round pick Eric Herman (OG out of Ohio).

The other 4 players on this list who would very likely be claimed off of waivers are OG Brandon Mosley, DE Adewale Ojomo, De Justin Trattou, & TE Larry Donnell. That's 10 players who are not/very unlikely going to clear waivers. This then brings our total of players who have a realistic chance of clearing waivers in order to be able to be signed to the Practice Squad to 10 (20 - 10 = 10). Those ten are as follows:

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Players who are very likely to clear waivers, & who can then be eligible to join the Practice Squad:

1. OG, Eric Herman - 2013 7th round Draft Pick
2. DE, Matt Broha - 2012 Giants Practice Squad member
3. OG, Bryant Browning
4. CB, Terrence Frederick
5. OG/C, Stephen Goodin - 2012 Giants Practice Squad member (off and on)
6. WR, Kevin Hardy
7. WR, Marcus Harris - 2013 UDFA
8. OT, Matt McCants - 2012 Giants Practice Squad member
9. WR, Julian Talley
10. CB, Charles James - 2013 UDFA



Pending any injuries, out of the 2013 Draft Picks, we know that Pugh, Hankins, Moore, Nassib, Taylor, and Cox are going to make the team (6). We also know Brandon Mosely, a 4th round draft pick out of Auburn last placed on IR for all of last season is going to make the team (1). None of them will be exposed to waivers.

This leaves Trattou, Ojomo, and Donnell as the three players who stand a high chance of being claimed if they are waived. Donnell has about a 50/50 shot to make the team, with many reasoning that the Giants' recent talk about him being an indication that he may very well make the opening day 53.

This then leaves Trattout and Ojomo, who are both in a similar situation. Trattou is a guy who seems to have a less than 50/50 shot to make the club, even though he is capable. If he is waived he'll be scooped up very early on in the wavier process. the Giants may look to do with him what they'll do with Ojomo below.

Ojomo is a guy standing on the outside, and looking in at the 53-man roster. A guy like him probably won't make it through waivers either. Both Trattout and Ojomo would be ideal guys to try and trade off, not necessarily for anything, but just so the Giants could find a team that would take them for next to nothing, so that they don't come back to bite the team in the butt, as Matt in SGS pointed out on the thread below about Jerry Reese trades in his 10:49 am post:
List of Jerry Reese player trades: could we see another? | Optimus-NY : 8/24/2013 9:20 am

If Donnell doesn't make the team, then he would fit the same description as Trattou and Ojomo with respect to looking around for a team that could possibly want either of them in a trade before the waiver wire process for final cuts begins next Saturday afternoon. Then again, the Giants could always gamble and hope that no team will claim Ojomo, Trattou, and/or Donnell off of waivers if they do in fact let them go next Saturday and risk their possibly going to a divisional foe or upcoming opponent. They wouldn't be bad options to be added to the bottom of a team's opening day 53-man roster, that's for sure.
These all correspond to the 75-man roster below:  
Optimus-NY : 8/26/2013 2:20 pm : link
Players 1 through 51 (in order of highest cap number to lowest cap number):








Players 53 through 75 in order of highest cap number to lowest cap number):


Optimus: I think you might be overrating the likelihood...  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/26/2013 2:20 pm : link
...of waived Giants being claimed, and underrating the likelihood of them eventually winding up back on the street even if they were initially claimed. Guys like Cox, Donnell, Ojomo and Trattou - 7th rounders and UDFAs with little or no regular-season experience - clear waivers pretty regularly. And if claimed, they tend to reappear on the waiver wire pretty quickly.
BBB - I understand  
Optimus-NY : 8/26/2013 2:21 pm : link
I should have stated that I'm looking at this under the guise of a possible worst case scenario, that's why I wrote about them the way that I did.
Optimus  
nygirlie : 8/26/2013 2:22 pm : link
you are being very optimistic (hence your handle?)
about the quality of our cast-offs
relative the the other 31 teams' cast-offs.

I suspect we will pick up an OL or two from elsewhere's cuts.
Unless anyone else has anything to add or say, here's out consensus  
Optimus-NY : 8/26/2013 2:27 pm : link
20 Practice Squad eligible players:

nygirlie - I'm not that optimisitic  
Optimus-NY : 8/26/2013 2:31 pm : link
My handle is a product of 1980s cartoon conditioning, lol (The Transformers, G.I. Joe, Thundercats, ... basically anything that is lampooned on Robot Chicken and/or Family Guy).

As far as this was concerned, I realize I'm being optimistic. I'm doing it on purpose, because it helps me to think more carefully with these players, instead of being haphazard with the outcome of this whole mess. In the end, it's just all in fun.
We can basically now use this list as reference for when final cuts  
Optimus-NY : 8/26/2013 2:37 pm : link
are made this coming Saturday, and maybe even the day before. This will help to avoid confusion as to who actually is and isn't practice squad eligible as players are waived.
Question for Optimus - What is the most a team can offer a practice  
fredgbrown : 8/26/2013 4:07 pm : link
squad player? I know players that teams want to keep are offered more than fringe players but does anyone know the upper limit.
fred: I don't think there's a maximum salary for the practice squad.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/26/2013 4:15 pm : link
Those salaries do count against the cap, though.
Ok thanks for the reply BBB  
fredgbrown : 8/26/2013 4:19 pm : link
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In 2013, teams pay players $6,000 per week  
Optimus-NY : 8/26/2013 4:30 pm : link
Over the course of 17 weeks, that's $102,000. Multiply that by the 8 players on the Practice Squad, and you get $816,000. Practice Squad players count against the cap beginning September 5th, when the top 51 rules ceases. Last year, teams paid players $5,700 per week. Check out the rate per year as per the new CBA. I wrote about this on my cap blog HERE.



Here's something else though: if teams want to pay more though than the 2013 $6,000 they can go ahead and do so. The Patriots had the highest paid Practice Squad in the league last year. DE Markus White of the Bucs was the highest-paid player on any practice squad last season. He earned $17,647 per week, instead of the 2012 rate of $5,700. Over the course of 17 weeks (players get paid during the bye week too), he earned $299,999.


Read this article on the subject below. It's excellent.

New England Patriots have top-paid NFL practice squad - By Brian McIntyre Around the League writer Published: Sept. 7, 2012 at 12:18 a.m. - ( New Window )
Hey Optimus, I thought of a Giant precedent for Trattou: Andre Brown.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/26/2013 10:15 pm : link
2009: Injured Reserve
2010: Credited season, but only dressed four times.
2011: Practice Squad

Same eligibility situation as Trattou, with the first two years reversed.
Blogger - Good parallel  
Optimus-NY : 8/26/2013 10:34 pm : link
Does the order matter at all (I.R. preceding a credited season vs. a credited season followed by I.R.?


Andre Brown - pro football reference.com - ( New Window )
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