We were talking about this on another thread from yesterday. Click below to read it:
List of 29 players eligible for the Giants' Practice Squad | Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 12:05 pm
After the cut-down to 75 was made yesterday (2 days ahead of time), the list was narrowed down. Right now there are 17 definites and 3 maybes. They are as follows:
17 Definites:
1. OT/OG, Justin Pugh - 2013 1st round Draft Pick
2. DT, Johnathan Hankins - 2013 2nd round Draft Pick
3. DE, Damontre Moore - 2013 3rd round Draft Pick
4. QB, Ryan Nassib - 2013 4th round Draft Pick
5. S, Cooper Taylor - 2013 5th round Draft Pick
6. OG, Eric Herman - 2013 7th round Draft Pick
7. RB, Michael Cox - 2013 7th round Draft Pick
8. DE, Matt Broha - 2012 Giants Practice Squad member
9. OG, Bryant Browning
10. TE, Larry Donnell - 2012 Giants Practice Squad member
11. CB, Terrence Frederick
12. OG/C, Stephen Goodin - 2012 Giants Practice Squad member (off and on)
13. WR, Kevin Hardy
14. WR, Marcus Harris - 2013 UDFA
15. OT, Matt McCants - 2012 Giants Practice Squad member
16. WR, Julian Talley
17. CB, Charles James - 2013 UDFA
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Maybes:
18. ? Justin Trattou - active for 6 games in 2011; IR in 2012
19. ? Brandon Mosley - IR in 2012
20. ? Adewale Ojomo - Made 53-man roster in 2012 |
Nygirlie, Big Blue Bogger, & fredgbrown were all pretty active on that thread yesterday off the top of my head. Let's see if we can put our heads together and figure out what the Practice Squad status is for the three questionable guys I mentioned above that we were debating yesterday (Trattou, Ojomo, & Mosley ). Using the info. from the other thread, and whatever you might find on your own, let's see if we can nail this down today for sure.
Here's the Practice Squad Eligibility link:
Practice Squad Rules: Who’s Eligible? - by Brian McFarland | Posted on August 31, 2012
Here is the link to the CBA:
Go to Article 33, Section 4 covering Practice Squad Eligibility
Mosley only has 1 accrued season, during which he spent less than 8 games on the active roster. (Entire year on IR.)
Ojomo was on the 53-man, but was only active for 1 game, per his NFL.com gamelog page.
Trattou, though, has 2 accrued seasons, so it doesn't matter than he didn't pass the 8-games-active threshold in either one.
1. Not have an accrued season of NFL service, defined as being on the team’s 53-man roster, PUP or IR for 6 games in any one season, or
2. Not been on a team’s 45-man game day active roster for more than 8 games during that one accrued season.
3. A player can serve 2 years on the Practice Squad and is eligible for a 3rd, if the team carries a full 53-man roster during the time the player is serving on the PS.
Source: Practice Squad Rules: Who’s Eligible? - by Brian McFarland | Posted on August 31, 2012
(a) The Practice Squad shall consist of the following players, provided that
they have not served more than two previous seasons on a Practice Squad: (i) players who do not have an Accrued Season of NFL experience; and (ii) free agent players who were on the Active List for fewer than nine regular season games during their only Accrued Season(s). An otherwise eligible player may be a Practice Squad player for a third season only if the Club by which he is employed that season has at least 53 players on its Active/Inactive List during the entire period of his employment.
(b) A player shall be deemed to have served on a Practice Squad in a season if he has passed the club’s physical and been a member of the club’s Practice Squad for at least three regular season or postseason games during his first two Practice Squad seasons, and for at least one regular season or postseason game during his third Practice Squad season. (For purposes of this Section, a bye week counts as a game provided that the player is not terminated until after the regular season or postseason weekend in question.)
an accrued season of less than 9 games is eligible and more than one accrued seasons of less than 9 games are eligible.
eligible meaning eligible for the PS.
Tracy and Kuhn are not.
Both are eligible.
If anyone else wants to add something in, please do so. It would be good to get a consensus about this, since the mainstream media doesn't really care to cover this stuff. Watch them come here, and steal the info from this thread though and not credit it. Garafolo was the only one who didn't do that out of our local beat writers.
Let's discount Pugh, Hankins, Moore, Nassib, Taylor, & Cox. If those 6 ever hit the wavier wire, they'd get scooped up in two seconds (of course we know that it's not even a consideration for Pugh, Hankins, Moore, & Nassib; only a slight one for Taylor and Cox). Let's eliminate those 6 from this list of 20. The only Draft Pick who looks like he'd clear waivers is 7th round pick Eric Herman (OG out of Ohio).
The other 4 players on this list who would very likely be claimed off of waivers are OG Brandon Mosley, DE Adewale Ojomo, De Justin Trattou, & TE Larry Donnell. That's 10 players who are not/very unlikely going to clear waivers. This then brings our total of players who have a realistic chance of clearing waivers in order to be able to be signed to the Practice Squad to 10 (20 - 10 = 10). Those ten are as follows:
1. OG, Eric Herman - 2013 7th round Draft Pick
2. DE, Matt Broha - 2012 Giants Practice Squad member
3. OG, Bryant Browning
4. CB, Terrence Frederick
5. OG/C, Stephen Goodin - 2012 Giants Practice Squad member (off and on)
6. WR, Kevin Hardy
7. WR, Marcus Harris - 2013 UDFA
8. OT, Matt McCants - 2012 Giants Practice Squad member
9. WR, Julian Talley
10. CB, Charles James - 2013 UDFA
Pending any injuries, out of the 2013 Draft Picks, we know that Pugh, Hankins, Moore, Nassib, Taylor, and Cox are going to make the team (6). We also know Brandon Mosely, a 4th round draft pick out of Auburn last placed on IR for all of last season is going to make the team (1). None of them will be exposed to waivers.
This leaves Trattou, Ojomo, and Donnell as the three players who stand a high chance of being claimed if they are waived. Donnell has about a 50/50 shot to make the team, with many reasoning that the Giants' recent talk about him being an indication that he may very well make the opening day 53.
This then leaves Trattout and Ojomo, who are both in a similar situation. Trattou is a guy who seems to have a less than 50/50 shot to make the club, even though he is capable. If he is waived he'll be scooped up very early on in the wavier process. the Giants may look to do with him what they'll do with Ojomo below.
Ojomo is a guy standing on the outside, and looking in at the 53-man roster. A guy like him probably won't make it through waivers either. Both Trattout and Ojomo would be ideal guys to try and trade off, not necessarily for anything, but just so the Giants could find a team that would take them for next to nothing, so that they don't come back to bite the team in the butt, as Matt in SGS pointed out on the thread below about Jerry Reese trades in his 10:49 am post:
List of Jerry Reese player trades: could we see another? | Optimus-NY : 8/24/2013 9:20 am
If Donnell doesn't make the team, then he would fit the same description as Trattou and Ojomo with respect to looking around for a team that could possibly want either of them in a trade before the waiver wire process for final cuts begins next Saturday afternoon. Then again, the Giants could always gamble and hope that no team will claim Ojomo, Trattou, and/or Donnell off of waivers if they do in fact let them go next Saturday and risk their possibly going to a divisional foe or upcoming opponent. They wouldn't be bad options to be added to the bottom of a team's opening day 53-man roster, that's for sure.
Players 53 through 75 in order of highest cap number to lowest cap number):
about the quality of our cast-offs
relative the the other 31 teams' cast-offs.
I suspect we will pick up an OL or two from elsewhere's cuts.
As far as this was concerned, I realize I'm being optimistic. I'm doing it on purpose, because it helps me to think more carefully with these players, instead of being haphazard with the outcome of this whole mess. In the end, it's just all in fun.
Here's something else though: if teams want to pay more though than the 2013 $6,000 they can go ahead and do so. The Patriots had the highest paid Practice Squad in the league last year. DE Markus White of the Bucs was the highest-paid player on any practice squad last season. He earned $17,647 per week, instead of the 2012 rate of $5,700. Over the course of 17 weeks (players get paid during the bye week too), he earned $299,999.
Read this article on the subject below. It's excellent.
New England Patriots have top-paid NFL practice squad - By Brian McIntyre Around the League writer Published: Sept. 7, 2012 at 12:18 a.m. - ( New Window )
2010: Credited season, but only dressed four times.
2011: Practice Squad
Same eligibility situation as Trattou, with the first two years reversed.
Andre Brown - pro football reference.com - ( New Window )