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NGT: I'm calling it: The Bills have their quarterback.

Beez : 8/28/2013 10:18 am
Going on record, after having told a Bills-fan friend earlier this week that I believe Buffalo stumbled backward into their future.

Going on record - Jeff Tuel is the guy, and I predict he will have success to the point where he'll surprise many and become the guy there for the next 8-plus years.

My Bills-fan friend doesn't buy it. Not yet, anyway. But take a look at his pre-season minutes. Very solid.

The kid has great NFL QB size (6-3, 218), was a 4.6 40 guy coming out - he's not a runner, but he CAN and does run (quite well) when pressed. His pocket presence is really natural. Seems to have a great sense around him.

Throws a nice, accurate deep ball, has a quick release, a near-text book motion and has very good accuracy.

Better yet, he's a high character guy and a leader.

Just my gut here after seeing him a bit, and researching a little more, but I'm calling it. Who's in?

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Doesn't he have a Chad  
pjcas18 : 8/28/2013 10:20 am : link
Pennington arm?
Chad Pennington  
Josh in the City : 8/28/2013 10:21 am : link
had a few very successful winning seasons in the NFL before getting injured.
I acutally kind of feel the same way.  
GP : 8/28/2013 10:21 am : link
No real reason, just a gut feeling. Probably just a contrarian view because everyone else is in "LOL Bills sux" mode and I wouldn't mind seeing the Bills successful for the next few years.
Yes, I agree o Pennington  
pjcas18 : 8/28/2013 10:24 am : link
just refuting the "nice accurate deep ball" comment.

Scouting report on Tuel (and one of my friends is a writer/amateur scout and confirmed this)

Quote:
He has very little arm strength and the ball looks like it has no velocity or revolution to it when it is in the air. The ball seems to float through the air with no drive. There are major concerns about his ability to throw the ball through wind. Tuel tends to throw the ball very high when moving to the left
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arcarsenal : 8/28/2013 10:27 am : link
Don't bet on it.

EJ is going to be their guy.
Just wondering if you know what his record as a starter in college was  
BlueHurricane : 8/28/2013 10:29 am : link
Not that it is the end all be all stat for how he transitions to the NFL but it is beyond bad.
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Dubs : 8/28/2013 10:30 am : link
There was a time when Jeff Tuel was a really, really intriguing guy.

I'm completely serious. Pac-12 football fans will tell you as much. When he was a sophomore (the year before Leach arrived) he was honorable mention All-Conference despite playing on just an abysmal WSU team and, with Leach coming to town and a bonafide #1 WR in Marquess Wilson, seemed poised to jump off and, in a conference full of QB talent, was the passer that many were keeping an eye on.

But what happened? He got hurt in his junior year and only played in a few games. By the time he was a senior, Leach had pretty much decided to go in a different direction, but Tuel still started about half their games.

In retrospect, Tuel wasn't a great fit for the Air Raid. And it's a shame he got hurt just as he was starting to take off.

It's wild that he gets the chance to start now.
Yes they do!  
Vin R : 8/28/2013 10:30 am : link
EJ Manuel! FSU!
Classic  
PEEJ : 8/28/2013 10:30 am : link
Scott Brunner vs Phil Simms argument
What happened to Fitzpatrick...  
Curtis in VA : 8/28/2013 10:31 am : link
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arcarsenal : 8/28/2013 10:32 am : link
He's a backup in TEN now.
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SoZKillA : 8/28/2013 10:34 am : link
4-22 in 26 starts at Washington State, yeah he is their QB
Yeah, but he seemed like he was going to do some good things.  
Curtis in VA : 8/28/2013 10:36 am : link
He got paid and then started to suck. So much that they let him go and ate 10 million dollars in dead cap money.
Chad Pennington was deadly accurate  
Deej : 8/28/2013 10:36 am : link
I kind of wonder what Pennington's career would have looked like if he came out 5 years later. The rules changes and trends that lead to the explosion of TE and slot WR production seem like they would have served Chad's game very well.

Gah sorry...  
Dubs : 8/28/2013 10:36 am : link
Tuel got hurt the year before Leach got there, not his first year.
Dubs ... that's the knock, and about the only real one.  
Beez : 8/28/2013 10:37 am : link

He seems to get hurt.
to clarify  
pjcas18 : 8/28/2013 10:38 am : link
if he's pennington then great, good for the bills, but no one would ever have said Pennington throws a nice accurate deep ball as beez said to describe Tuel.

that was my point in referencing pennington. a friend of mine is a Bills fan and asked another friend of ours who is a scout about him and that was his reply "pop-gun arm" but made plays, etc. reminds me of pennington with more mobility. not a bad Qb necessarily, just not a strong arm.

hopefully that clarifies it.
Didn't Pennington  
Josh in the City : 8/28/2013 10:38 am : link
break the NFL season completion % record one season?
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Dubs : 8/28/2013 10:38 am : link
Not sure that's true...he doesn't exactly have a stellar arm.
(that's to Beez)  
Dubs : 8/28/2013 10:38 am : link
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Look at the highlights.  
Beez : 8/28/2013 10:39 am : link

That's far from a "pop-gun arm."
4-22 at wash St  
Edward in Duckland : 8/28/2013 10:39 am : link
And lucky to be alive. In his 4 yrs there he played behind the absolute worst o lines in Division 1. Don't know if I agree that he's the answer at Buffalo, but that 4-22 thing is definitely NOT on him.
4-22 at wash St  
Edward in Duckland : 8/28/2013 10:39 am : link
And lucky to be alive. In his 4 yrs there he played behind the absolute worst o lines in Division 1. Don't know if I agree that he's the answer at Buffalo, but that 4-22 thing is definitely NOT on him.
Dubs, he doesn't have a Matt Simms arm, true (ha!).  
Beez : 8/28/2013 10:40 am : link

But it's at least a solid arm.
What Edward said...  
Dubs : 8/28/2013 10:41 am : link
He could have gone 0-26 and still played well.

It's hard to properly calibrate just how bad WSU has been over the past half a dozen years.
I'm a fan of Tuel  
sjnyfan : 8/28/2013 10:43 am : link
I wanted him in the 7th rd last year. Here's a quick write up I did on him the week of the draft for a buddy of mine.

Tuel is an intriguing developmental prospect. At 6’3” 218 lbs he has the size you want in a QB and with a 4.6 40 he has the speed you look for in today’s NFL, too. But a career ruined by injuries, controversy (see: Marquess Wilson-Mike Leach), coaching changes and an overall terrible supporting cast leaves you wondering. The tools are there though. The thing I like the most about Tuel is his touch on deep throws. What I hate is that for a running QB he NEVER slides. It’s probably what led to his broken collarbone. That can be can be coached however. He has character as well. He could’ve been given a medical exception for an extra year but refused
Beez  
pjcas18 : 8/28/2013 10:44 am : link
from National Football Post. Some of their stuff isn't great, but I like a lot of it - especially for players I didn't see.

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WEAKNESSES - Tuel runs a wide-open offense out of the shotgun spread and he doesn't have to read progressions. He has very little arm strength and the ball looks like it has no velocity or revolution to it when it is in the air. The ball seems to float through the air with no drive. There are major concerns about his ability to throw the ball through wind. Tuel tends to throw the ball very high when moving to the left. He has no escape-ability with his feet and he will not make any plays in this aspect of the game in the NFL. Tuel does not feel pressure well and does not throw the ball well into the face of pressure. Tuel lost his job as a senior and there are bound to be questions about this in the pre-draft process.
pjcas ...  
Beez : 8/28/2013 10:45 am : link

OK.

Now, did you look at the footage?

Doesn't exactly jibe.
That's a pretty good write up from NFP  
Dubs : 8/28/2013 10:47 am : link
The issue is zip as opposed to distance. He makes do with what he has but he's going to have trouble fitting the ball into tight spaces.

There's a lot of college QBs who have everything you want...leadership, smarts, mobility, etc...but can't put zip on the ball. Damn shame.

What I would contest is this:

"He has no escape-ability with his feet and he will not make any plays in this aspect of the game in the NFL."

I don't think that's even remotely true. If anything, I'd say the opposite.
Shouldn't have said last year  
sjnyfan : 8/28/2013 10:48 am : link
meant to say this past draft but either way he's talented and though he doesn't have a cannon his arm is more than adequate. Mind you the guy came off a broken collarbone way too early.
Obviously, the fact he wasn't drafted means  
Beez : 8/28/2013 10:49 am : link
people who make their living evaluating didn't believe he had the goods.

I'm on record.

Now, we'll see.
dubs  
pjcas18 : 8/28/2013 10:52 am : link
I agree with that, that's why I said kind of like Pennington with more mobility. he does have escapability though I'll caution that a little by saying you could show some Eli highlights including SB XLII and others where he shows huge escapability, but I wouldn't exactly classify Eli that way. Some QB's have (and I hate to say this) that 6th sense in the pocket and shuffle their feet, make a half step forward, duck, whatever and buy themselves the necessary fraction of a second to get the play off. I'm not sure Tuel can do that. He was un-drafted for a reason, this isn't Tony Romo where he went to a small school and wasn't well known, IMO.

I think he can make plays, but he'll struggle with the throws that require them to get there on a line.

He's no Ryan Nassib  
PatersonPlank : 8/28/2013 11:00 am : link
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I actually think...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2013 11:37 am : link
Manuel is going to be a solid QB for them. If he's healthy, he'll be the guy and I predict he will have more success than Fitz did.
I watched Manuel  
dune69 : 8/28/2013 11:52 am : link
in the game he was hurt against the Vikings. He looked real solid for a youngster. Good control of the team, good legs, and calm in the pocket. The one area he did not attempt much was down the field so I cannot comment on arm strength or deep pass accuracy. If Tuel is good, the Bills may be set at QB going forward.
Less likely than Britt's prediction  
ZogZerg : 8/28/2013 12:24 pm : link
and RG3 is starting week 1....
I made the biggest bet I have ever made in my life  
ballanda : 8/28/2013 12:25 pm : link
that the Bills will lose to the Pats on opening day. They're screwed.
Bills related  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/28/2013 12:30 pm : link
I had no idea Tyrone Wheatley was a coach for them (or at all), he wasn;t a guy I ever saw going that route. Ike Hilliard is on their staff too. Two ex Giants.
I think Wheatley...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2013 12:32 pm : link
has been coaching with Marrone for a bit now.
Speaking of EJ Manuel  
David in LA : 8/28/2013 1:37 pm : link
that Jameis Winston looks like an absolute beast at QB. I bet he can out throw Uncle Rico over them mountains.
Beez seems to miss that a highlight tape of bombs  
Nitro : 8/28/2013 1:42 pm : link
is not an answer to arm strength questions.
Nonsense  
BigBlueBuff : 8/28/2013 1:43 pm : link
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Pennington's arm  
EricNY33 : 8/28/2013 1:44 pm : link
at the time of the draft was more than adequate. It was after the shoulder injuries where it became an issue. I don't think Bill Parcells takes him in the first round if Pennington couldn't make all the throws.
Manuel  
BigBlueCane : 8/28/2013 2:13 pm : link
never demonstrated the command of FSU's offense that Ponder did. Jimbo Fisher has never directly said as such but the locals who are plugged (BigBlueBuff knows who I'm referring to), implied he struggled with the more complicated options within that offense.

I bet that  
blright : 8/28/2013 2:22 pm : link
I bet the scouting report on Kurt Warner wasn't all that different than this guy's. I'm not saying he's the next Warner but scouts tend to overemphasize arm strength.
I bet that  
blright : 8/28/2013 2:22 pm : link
I bet the scouting report on Kurt Warner wasn't all that different than this guy's. I'm not saying he's the next Warner but scouts tend to overemphasize arm strength.
Except Warner  
pjcas18 : 8/28/2013 2:28 pm : link
had the highest grade on arm strength possible.

that was his best asset, and he still wound up in the arena league, so using him as an example for overrating arm strength is a bad comparison.
EricNY33 - I don't know that I'd say  
80offensive : 8/28/2013 2:39 pm : link
Chad's arm was 'more' than adequate when drafted, but I can agree with the premise that before the injuries, his arm strength was good enough to be a productive NFL passer. He made do with what he had, but he never had a great arm. He was good enough in other areas to make it work and still make most throws you want an nfl QB to make, and his accuracy could be taken advantage of to do things many QB's couldn't. But he was never going to be a Favre type bomber.

After the injuries though, he went from below avg (for NFL QB's) arm strength, to abysmal, to the point where he couldn't even throws that HS QB's could probably zip in there.
What dune69 said  
dcp : 8/28/2013 2:41 pm : link
EJ Manuel will be this years Russell Wilson. I like what I saw from him in that pre-season game.
I think EJ  
BigBlueCane : 8/28/2013 3:17 pm : link
is much closer to Josh Freeman then Wilson.
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