Looks like we're in for another bad year of crappy officiating.
So, let's get this straight - Corey Webster is looking back for the ball and makes a play in the endzone to knock away a pass, but that gives the Patriots a first down and four more additional points.
But the Patriots CB, who isn't looking back for the ball, is allowed to run through the receiver, and what should have been a big pass interference penalty to set up the game-winning FB isn't called?
I also wonder what is up with PI this year. In three different games, I've seen DB's get called for PI when looking back for the ball and making plays, with the Webster one being an example.
In the Seattle-GB game last week, a Seattle DB looked back for the ball and made an INT and he was called for PI for "cutting off the WR" een though it didn't look like he did. A Carolina Panther was called for the same type penalty.
One can only hope this was just a preseason thing, but those PI calls worry me because they have such a negative impact on the game.
There was one PI called in favor of the Giants a couple weeks ago were I still kinda just shook my head because its like "if that's PI, then you may as well let the receiver catch the ball."
I guess I was jsut envisioning how PO'd I'd be if it was called on a Giants corner.
The one angle clear as hell that his hand was in. There was green between his hand and the sideline. The worst part is if it wasn't clear than the call on the field should've stand, which was a pick.
Seemed like his arm was moving forward to me. no mention of it and no contesting by the Giants so I guess it was me.
... there was a ton of focus on whether or not the knee hit before the hand, which was said to be out of bounds. But did any of you see a closer view? From all the angles I saw, there was no way to tell - and in the angles we saw, it looked like the hand was in.
So ... fuck if I know?
Baffling.
WTF?
It has become one of the detriments of replay that nobody seems to want to address.
A game should not be decided by a host of bad officiating calls where you just hope they even out. It's freegin' crazy. A $9 billion dollar a year league and we get this shit??? WTH?
First off, I think since it's preseason, ecah team has their own broadcast, so the replay officials would be looking at the views from the Patriots broadcast rather than the Giants broadcast. maybe it showed something different.
From what we saw, I thought it was clear that the left hand came down before the right knee. Then the question is whether the hand came down in bounds or not. The hand did end up touching the line, but I think the whole hand touched inbounds first, then slid out of bounds. I don't think, based on the replays we saw, that the call should have been overturned.
Greg - you think we can get returns on our pieces of shit?
Replay needs to have INDISPUTABLE evidence. The fact we are even arguing about that makes it unlikely it was indisputable.
As a fan, I wanted Amukamara to keep that INT but looking at the replay I disagreed with Mike Mayock. It looked to me like Amukamara's fingers were touching the white line.
Josh clearly sees things better than you, I, anyone else here and Mayock.
Jan - I thought the flag was because the ref THOUGHT Webster grabbed the receiver from behind with his right hand, but since he didn't actually see it he didn't know that Webster actually wasn't grabbing the receiver at all. Hence, the comment made earlier about the ref making a call on what he thought was happening rather than what he actually could see.
But on Carr's fumble they didn't. Patriots ball, no looking back.
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The Prince PI...that was PI....in slow mo, you can see him make contact to the back before the ball gets there....
The overturn of the Prince INT, since it was called an int on the field, there has to be indisputable evidence to overturn....when his hand initially hit, it looked in bounds, and then slid out of bounds....the question was, did his other leg come down after his hand went out of bounds or did it come down before his hand went out of bounds....I did not see any indisputable evidence to overturn this....
As for Webster, in slow mo you could make the call he pulled on the right shoulder with his right hand and released....at regular speed it would be hard to determine, especially from the ref's angle....
They were bang bang plays that could have gone either way...
Since it doesn't count towards the regular season, it's much ado about nothing...
In the field of play, a player can touch the ground with his hand and not be considered tackled, as long as his knee or some other part of his body hasn't touched down.
That's not what we are talking about here. For a pass to be considered complete, the receive must get two feet down. In this case, a hand is equivalent to a foot. If a player gets one foot and one hand in bounds, the pass is complete (or intercepted in this scenario). Also, once the hand goes out of bounds, the play ends. I still think the hand came down in bounds, then slid out of bounds.
overturn.
since when?
Yea his fingers hit in bounds before sliding out but the ball was still moving in his hands. He didn't have true possession until his fingers were already on the white and before his knee touched down.
the game was a "pick 'em". jump to your own conclusions. there was also an awful blown neutral zone infraction call that ended up being an offsides.
Rob_MTL : 11:19 am
A hand is equal to a foot?
since when?
Are you serious? In the context of catching a pass before going out of bounds, yes, one foot and one hand touching in bounds is sufficient.
Even in the rule you cited, it talks about any part of the body other than the hand or foot.
....I can't even imagine what that would look like.
The Webster call was ticky-tack but that's today's NFL. If you run through the receiver it's called and he did get there slightly before the ball did. Given that, there was clearly PI on the Giant's last drive that was blatant and should have been called.
Prince may or may not have been in bounds, but in that case the call made on the field needs to stand. The fact that there is so much disagreement (including from the national broadcast team) indicates it was not indisputable which is the standard.