Mark Ingram to the Giants?

If they trade a draft pick I hope it isn't more than a 5th round pick.

Scott and Torrain?

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is their source, and is claiming we're in a bidding war with the Steelers:

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Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 4h Hearing that #Steelers are now in bidding war with #NYGiants for #Saints RB Mark Ingram #NFL

Not a chance.

was the guy that Reese wanted in the draft, but Prince was just too high on the value board to pass up.

It would be pretty cool to have 2 dads who won Super Bowl XXV (Ingram and DeOssie), have their sons play on the Giants some 23 years later.

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Source in #NYGiants organization telling me team is currently offering conditional 4th round pick that could turn into a 3rd & a 7 #Saints

(insert joke regarding Saints 1st round pick from Shockey here)

did you really need a trade rumor to be clued in that those two are not very good? I'm not quite sure that this story tells us anymore than we already knew

Give them Joseph straight up for him. And that might be too much.

Why would the Saints want to trade him anyway?

the Giants NEVER do shit like this

let's not even.

for a RB they would plan to platoon.

I agree, that IF they are talking JR will set the price at a 5th rounder or let the deal die....hey, maybe he can give NO back the 1st rounder they got for Shockey back to NO?

I hope we don't do this trade. Do we really need to use our resources on a RB? It's not like we don't have glaring weaknesses at LB and OL. Even if you like our OL this year, Boothe is a FA, DD is probably gone. Snee is probably gone.

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was based on these reports being true.

the Saints are a wide-open attack and that's not his game, plus they had a pretty poisonous atmosphere with their coach on the shelf all season. He could be a nice buy-low candidate.

He's not good. There is a lot of evidence of this. Several years of no productivity in a good offense, where the other RBs were productive.

Joseph for Ingram would be a joke. That's a terrible suggestion.

Mark Ingram, career, 3.9 ypc.

the Giants doing anything higher than a 4th rounder, if any of this is true at all. Unless the stories about Brown are BS and his leg is worse than is being said, I don't see the need to go and make any deals at all. Hold down the fort with Torain and wait for Brown in October.

As in Linval? Lol please tell me you are joking!! Ingram is horrendous. I hope we don't go out and get some bum just to take away a few touches from Wilson. David Wilson can be a full time back and will be damn good. Pro Bowl caliber player this year IMO.

mini jacobs. i say lets go with him as the #2, Scott #3, Cox #4

Two. Two mediocre years. There may be nothing there, or there may be a decent second option in a better locker room and with a more conventional offense.

1st round talent New Orleans never runs it and has 3 other guys.

Ingram would fit right in with Wilson.

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for Ingram? WTF! No way. But I'd give a fourth.

Not really a fan of trading for a RB. It's a passing league. But we need to platoon RBs for them to be effective. Wilson can't do it by himself, and Scott and Torain are JAGs. Even when Brown comes back, he won't have played for two months, and might not be effective for several weeks thereafter.

We also have to think about next year. Brown, Scott, and Torain could all be gone.

The Giants also liked Ingram as others have noted.

What are we going to get in the fourth round next year anyway?

with Wilson. But Steelers have a bigger hole at RB. My guess is they offer more for him.

but to give a better pick than that up or 2 picks is the definition of getting fleeced.

that could turn into a conditional 3 and 7 is a steal

Think of all the draft picks we blow.

A 4th would be ideal we need to draft somebody next year anyway we have NOTHING behind Wilson.

We traded a 5th for Keith Rivers...

He could be a 3-4 DE. And maybe a 6th rd pick.

"UPDATE: It's looking more and more likely that this rumor is completely false. The originator of the rumor isn't who he says he is."

Who the hell would believe an NFL "insider" with 500 followers. Come on guys.
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that outside of JPP, Linval is the best player on the defense. And someone had the nerve to suggest trading him for a backup RB? Unreal

Arx, are you hacking into accounts?

Why would they need him? I mean, it's nice to acquire talent...but Brown's only out for 4-6 weeks and Torain approximates Ingram pretty well. Unless it was a 6th or a 7th, keep the picks.

Or at least he hasn't been good yet in the NFL. After using a 1st round pick the Saints surely wanted him to be the main guy in the backfield and he hasn't been able to win the job. His productivity is generally worse than the other guys in the Saints backfield. All signs point to Ingram being "just a guy."

Now the Giants do actually need a "just a guy", but you wouldn't want to give up much to get one.

for Ingram. Done.

What?

Ingram has averaged 3.9 YPC in both his nfl seasons, has a career ling of 31 yards, and with 17 receptions doesn't offer much as a receiver. And he's run behind a very good OL too. A high pick AND conditional mid rounder? They're out of their damn minds.

On the football analytics panel, which included former Kansas City general manager Scott Pioli, they talked about the size, weight and speed ratio for former Alabama running back Mark Ingram and how the numbers indicated that the former Heisman Trophy winner would be too slow to be successful in the NFL.

He had an analytics red flag.

Ingram has yet to distinguish himself in the league after two seasons with New Orleans. He�s averaged 3.9 yards per carry on 278 attempts and scored 10 touchdowns.
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in the game its over the years its been pretty obvious Saints were dialing up a running play which defenses sat on...much like when Ron Dayne would come into games for us, not making excuses for his 3.9 but the Saints offense isnt the type that would make most downhill running RBs successful

from earlier this year.
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it looks like the whole thing is false, but although rare in the NFL, it seems that trades are most likely to happen right before teams finalize their rosters.

because Mark Ingram played a lot during the Saints last preseason game.. showcasing??

[quote]Ingram gained 49 yards on nine carries and scored an eight-yard touchdown in Thursday's preseason finale against Miami.
Spin: In the final preseason game in which most teams elect to rest their starters, it was interesting to see Ingram receive a heavy workload, including a few carries in the second half. However, with Travaris Cadet not making the trip to Miami and the Saints holding Darren Sproles out, someone had to see snaps at running back. Still, it was nice to see Ingram play well even if it was against the Dolphins' second-stringers. Ingram is expected to see most of the carries in the Saints' offense and handle much of the short yardage and goal line work. [quote]

sacked again"

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
FWIW, the #Saints are mad at me for leaking the story and I've gotten some nasty phone calls, but I'm here to give you all the scoop first

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 5h
Hearing LB Cam Johnson has been informed he has made the #49ers final roster #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 5h
Hearing that #Steelers are now in bidding war with #NYGiants for #Saints RB Mark Ingram #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 7h
Hearing #Raiders have "very strong" interest in TE Jake Ballard, who was released from #Patriots today #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 7h
#Saints want a high draft pick and conditional mid round draft pick package for RB Ingram #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 7h
Source: LB Brian Urlacher has rejected 1 year deal to join #Raiders and electing to stay retired #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
#Saints fans appear to be mixed on Mark Ingram...as soon as I have more details on the situation I will update, situation moving fast #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
Hearing #Raiders would need to be blown away for any deal involving FB Marcel Reece...but they are willing to listen #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
Source: #Raiders have put FB Marcel Reece on trading block as well this afternoon in search of 2014 draft pick #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
Source in #NYGiants organization telling me team is currently offering conditional 4th round pick that could turn into a 3rd & a 7 #Saints

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
Across the #NFL many are feeling that this is a ploy by Mickey Loomis to have Ingram take a paycut to remain with team #NFL #Saints

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
Still, my source within #Saints organization is telling me while talks are ongoing with #Steelers and #NYGiants team is weighing options

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
Rival #NFCSouth GM just told me directly that he is "pissed off" on what the #Saints might be getting for RB Ingram #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 7h
Source: #Saints and #NYGiants discussing deal involving RB Mark Ingram and multiple draft picks trade 50-50 on happening #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 9h
Hearing #Saints have put RB Mark Ingram on trading block and are listening to offers #NFL

he wasn't quite Trent Richardson, but he was a better overall RB than Lacy by a decent amount. I also think the Saints were just a bad fit for him. But bad fit or not, a 1st round talent should still show more than he did in New Orleans.

I'd be ok with it I guess depending on the price. But I'm on that David Wilson bandwagon, that's a thoroughbred that we need to ride this year. I worry that adding Ingram would take carries away from Wilson. But if Wilson's pass pro is considered THAT bad by the coaches then maybe this is the right call. But I think Wilson can be a capable blocker. It's about recognition with him he isn't some Jahvid Best tiny guy he has the power to block once he understands how.

when a nobody starts citing sources insides the Giants organization.

What do you think we'd get for Joseph? 4th at best and probably a 5th. You clowns are delusional if you think it would be better than that.

I hate Ingram and think he's a bust. Personally I wouldn't touch him with a ten ft poll, but that trade makes sense. It gets rid of our logjam at DT and helps with an immediate need.

He hasn't reported anything from july 29th to august 23, and then didn't post again until tonight.

I think we can move on from this topic.

an alias for Incarcerated Bob.

Come on man, Linval is a very very good DT. Crazy to consider trading him for a guy who is a bust.

Payton needs to be drug tested if he thinks they're getting a couple of high draft choices for Ingram.

Personally I would have them a half eaten jelly doughnut for the worthless clown.

would be very stupid and Reese isn't going to do it

Trading Marvin Austin could be possible

Very good possibility we lose Joseph next year and get nothing for him.

we still have a season to play ya know

reminds me of Rodney Hampton.

better players. Hey while we are at it lets trade JPP for a backup safety. You know we may lose him in 2 years and get nothing.

player on defense, no wonder this defense is in trouble...

I can understand, throwing his name out there, because he will be asking way more than he is worth next year...but I'm not sold on Ingram....

For the life of me, what has Joseph done? He is not a monster in the middle of the line....he's a good DT, no more.....

He probably won't be here next year....

is highly thought of by the coaching staff..

he's a pro bowl type player

Total BS

And they needed defensive help. smh

I don't know who Darren Connolly is or what sources he might or might not have, and I certainly don't want to disrespect anyone.

However, his tweet about the Saints being mad at him and resulting in nasty phone calls doesn't make a lick of sense.

First, why would a team "leak" a potential trade and then get "mad" at someone for putting it out there, especially if there is supposedly a bidding war going on?

You would think the Saints would send a fruit basket to the guy for leaking it out there that there are multiple teams interested in the player as that could potentially drive up the asking price.

And please don't tell me that someone told him in confidence and said, "Oh please don't tell anyone." I don't buy that for a second because, as I said, if the Saints were really looking to make a trade, I would think it would behoove them to let it be known that Ingram is on the block so that they could get the best possible offer.

(This is the same tactic agents use when trying to get the best contract for their FA clients -- they leak interest of teams to the media in an effort to drive up the price with the real target.)

Second, I highly doubt a team would make a "nasty" call to chastise a member of the media. These are professionals, after all. Right now I would think teams are more worried about setting their rosters than dealing with alleged leaks.

One last thing. I believe this guy said the trade had a 50-50 chance of happening. Gee, if I said there was a 50-50 chance of it raining tomorrow, and it does rain, I look like a genius; if it doesn't, then I can fall back on the 50-50 claim I made.

Again, just my two cents. I personally think the Giants will either retain Ryan Torain, who already knows the system, or they might scan the waiver wire.

I'd personally like to see them get a RB/backup FB type like what they had with Reuben Droughns in 2007, as I think that would kill two birds with one stone, especially if Hyno isn't ready for week 1.

said Marcel reece is avail too

tweeting about his Madden team. Raiders sent an offer of a 2nd, 4th, and 7th for Jernigan with a 68 OVR rating. I took it.

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Ingram . He blows

I honestly don't know why more no name reporters like this hack don't rumors out of their ass more often. At the absolute least it gets him more twitter followers with no repercussions when it undoubtedly never happens

The guy only has 609 followers, fwiw

He couldn't have gone to a worse team. Also, I could easily see Linval leaving next year. Hankins and Austin progression will be key factors.

have no idea where all this Linval Joseph love pn BBI came from

he has not merited it yet with his play on the field

That I buy this guy, but the poster who insisted on trading the team's BEST Defensive Tackle for a backup RB is just... awful.

Would Michael Robinson be that type of player? Reportedly getting cut by Seattle.

Is coming back in October so we don't need another back?? He'll come come to do what ? Get hurt again? I think TC is getting a bit tired of some players not being able to stay healthy.

Understand you can be a good DT without having sack numbers and QB pressures. Linval Joseph is quite good.

who question the super love for Joseph. He was the guy in the middle last year when we got run all over. Hasn't shown the ability on the field to be the disruptive force he was suppose to be. No great get to the QB skills either. He is going to want way more money than we are willing (or should) pay. If the right deal came along I would listen hard.

I can't remember offhand if Robinson, who i think was cut by the Hawks, carried the ball much. If yes, then yeah, that would be a guy I'd investigate considering 1) not sure if Hyno is ready for week 1, and 2) the TE blocking this preseason is still a work in progress.

I understand theres more to playing DT than getting sacks and Linval hasnt been great at the other stuff either.

Thunder and Lightning redoux????

a DT has more value to a football team than a RB.

Ingram was a player they loved in the draft, wouldn't surprise me if they actually had an interest in him, on their terms (ignoring the prior and apparently false rumors).

getting a solid DT who never misses time is what I would call meeting expectations.

I hope we retain him, but drafting Hankins was a good hedge

Expect a 2nd rounder to become Warren Sapp redux.

If we're making comparisons. Mark Ingram is an even larger bust.

but off of all that I read from analysts(and BBIers I respect), there was little in his game that would have caused me to hope Reese drafted him. If Reese's interest in him was truly legitimate, I cannot see why he would have coveted him. That said, he would know far more than I could ever hope to know evaluation-wise

cuts Lissemore. He has struggled with switch to 4-3 though Dallas is desperate for DTs.

NYG coveted Ingram, and they picked the player who was higher on their draft board in Prince. Prince slipping to us was a shock. This info is all confirmed.

He lacked speed and elusiveness, but projected to be a rugged, instinctive runner who would move piles and the chains. To date, he's been oft-injured and not as projected, but is still young and plenty of clock left in his NFL career.

that you would love him here(assuming injury history behind him of course)?

Pass heavy offense that uses 3-4 different RB's. He'd be a factor on a more balanced offense that actually gave him enough touches. He'd be a great pickup for us. Don't see it happening, though.

and giving an idea of what his scouting profile looked like, briefly.

Fans are quick to dismiss young players, and Ingram came into the NFL at 20-21 years of age. On the flip, our own Linval has played some terrific DT at times, and some are ready to trade him for a RB. It boggles the mind.

I'd be happy to see him in blue, if a trade were made in terms favorable to NYG. I'm not trading a DT or a #3 pick for him, but a #4 or #5 pick I'd be ok with trading.

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want to trade from a position of strength to acquire a need..That is the most idiotic thing a GM can do..Every year, geniuses want to trade a DT or DE for a new shiny toy..

at lease 4.5 yards per carry. For that reason I thought that Rodney Hampton was not worth all the fuss made over him. Sure, he would be in the top ten rushers, but have the lowest yards per carry.

If we do trade for a player, giving away a forth or fifth round draft choice is a good deal. Giants traded Shockey for 2nd and 5th round choices, which turned into Clint Sintim and Rhett Bomar. In other words, we traded Shockey for nothing.

becoming a new BBI whipping boy.

it starts with one

everyone ridicules him

then slowly some come around and before you know it its majority lol

We have a good nucleus at DT.

I think Austin is a bust. Him and a 5th rd pick would be pretty fair deal for Ingram IMO.

listen guys I know linval has been there for us these past few years and hes a beast d tackle but I think we have enough depth at d tackle to let him go to add ingram cause lets be serious we cant relie the hole load on Wilson this year if we do that's it he wont be shit in playoffs hes no Adrian Peterson lol. I say we have to go to free agencie or make this trade for ingram to split the carrys cause I don't want Wilson to be all beat up for the playoffs.. soo if this does happen good luck to linval had a good few years with him. lets go mark ingram !!!!!!! GIANTS NATION !!! BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD

RB who stinks...

with no bite to it.

He is a very good rb from bama that needs to run the ball for a team like us not a team like the saints