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Mark Ingram to the Giants?

ronzo : 8/30/2013 9:56 pm
Supposedly on the block. Not sure of the validity. Don't think we need him.
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The Giants had interest in him during the draft  
robbieballs2003 : 8/30/2013 9:58 pm : link
If they trade a draft pick I hope it isn't more than a 5th round pick.
What does this say for.......  
Tom [Giants fan] : 8/30/2013 9:59 pm : link
Scott and Torrain?
Not much  
moespree : 8/30/2013 10:00 pm : link
This one guy on twitter (whose name I don't recognize)  
jcn56 : 8/30/2013 10:01 pm : link
is their source, and is claiming we're in a bidding war with the Steelers:

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 4h
Hearing that #Steelers are now in bidding war with #NYGiants for #Saints RB Mark Ingram #NFL
For a high draft pick and a conditional mid-round pick?  
Klaatu : 8/30/2013 10:01 pm : link
Not a chance.
Matt in SGS : 8/30/2013 10:02 pm : link
was the guy that Reese wanted in the draft, but Prince was just too high on the value board to pass up.

It would be pretty cool to have 2 dads who won Super Bowl XXV (Ingram and DeOssie), have their sons play on the Giants some 23 years later.
jcn56 : 8/30/2013 10:02 pm : link
Source in #NYGiants organization telling me team is currently offering conditional 4th round pick that could turn into a 3rd & a 7 #Saints

(insert joke regarding Saints 1st round pick from Shockey here)
BigBlueShock : 8/30/2013 10:02 pm : link
did you really need a trade rumor to be clued in that those two are not very good? I'm not quite sure that this story tells us anymore than we already knew
damdevs : 8/30/2013 10:03 pm : link
Give them Joseph straight up for him. And that might be too much.
not at that price.  
section125 : 8/30/2013 10:03 pm : link
Why would the Saints want to trade him anyway?
I cant believe it  
mattlawson : 8/30/2013 10:03 pm : link
the Giants NEVER do shit like this
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/30/2013 10:04 pm : link
let's not even.
No chance the Giants give up "multiple picks, including a high pick"  
Tom in NY : 8/30/2013 10:04 pm : link
for a RB they would plan to platoon.

I agree, that IF they are talking JR will set the price at a 5th rounder or let the deal die....hey, maybe he can give NO back the 1st rounder they got for Shockey back to NO?
robbieballs2003 : 8/30/2013 10:04 pm : link
I hope we don't do this trade. Do we really need to use our resources on a RB? It's not like we don't have glaring weaknesses at LB and OL. Even if you like our OL this year, Boothe is a FA, DD is probably gone. Snee is probably gone.
Joseph - are you kidding?  
jcn56 : 8/30/2013 10:04 pm : link
and my last post  
robbieballs2003 : 8/30/2013 10:05 pm : link
was based on these reports being true.
I don't think it'd be the worst move...  
Dunedin81 : 8/30/2013 10:05 pm : link
the Saints are a wide-open attack and that's not his game, plus they had a pretty poisonous atmosphere with their coach on the shelf all season. He could be a nice buy-low candidate.
Deej : 8/30/2013 10:06 pm : link
He's not good. There is a lot of evidence of this. Several years of no productivity in a good offense, where the other RBs were productive.

Joseph for Ingram would be a joke. That's a terrible suggestion.
Ryan Torain, career, 4.2 ypc.  
Klaatu : 8/30/2013 10:06 pm : link
Mark Ingram, career, 3.9 ypc.
I can't see  
Matt in SGS : 8/30/2013 10:07 pm : link
the Giants doing anything higher than a 4th rounder, if any of this is true at all. Unless the stories about Brown are BS and his leg is worse than is being said, I don't see the need to go and make any deals at all. Hold down the fort with Torain and wait for Brown in October.
Big Rick in FL : 8/30/2013 10:09 pm : link
As in Linval? Lol please tell me you are joking!! Ingram is horrendous. I hope we don't go out and get some bum just to take away a few touches from Wilson. David Wilson can be a full time back and will be damn good. Pro Bowl caliber player this year IMO.
I like torain  
mattlawson : 8/30/2013 10:10 pm : link
mini jacobs. i say lets go with him as the #2, Scott #3, Cox #4
Dunedin81 : 8/30/2013 10:10 pm : link
Two. Two mediocre years. There may be nothing there, or there may be a decent second option in a better locker room and with a more conventional offense.
we should absolutley make this move  
Mr. Nickels : 8/30/2013 10:10 pm : link
1st round talent New Orleans never runs it and has 3 other guys.

Ingram would fit right in with Wilson.
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/30/2013 10:11 pm : link
AcidTest : 8/30/2013 10:12 pm : link
for Ingram? WTF! No way. But I'd give a fourth.

Not really a fan of trading for a RB. It's a passing league. But we need to platoon RBs for them to be effective. Wilson can't do it by himself, and Scott and Torain are JAGs. Even when Brown comes back, he won't have played for two months, and might not be effective for several weeks thereafter.

We also have to think about next year. Brown, Scott, and Torain could all be gone.

The Giants also liked Ingram as others have noted.

What are we going to get in the fourth round next year anyway?
Would be a nice combo  
Rflairr : 8/30/2013 10:12 pm : link
with Wilson. But Steelers have a bigger hole at RB. My guess is they offer more for him.
You absolutely make the move for a 4th or 5th rounder...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/30/2013 10:12 pm : link
but to give a better pick than that up or 2 picks is the definition of getting fleeced.
a 4  
Mr. Nickels : 8/30/2013 10:12 pm : link
that could turn into a conditional 3 and 7 is a steal

Think of all the draft picks we blow.

A 4th would be ideal we need to draft somebody next year anyway we have NOTHING behind Wilson.

We traded a 5th for Keith Rivers...
Send them Austin.  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/30/2013 10:13 pm : link
He could be a 3-4 DE. And maybe a 6th rd pick.
PhillippiSparks22 : 8/30/2013 10:13 pm : link
"UPDATE: It's looking more and more likely that this rumor is completely false. The originator of the rumor isn't who he says he is."

Who the hell would believe an NFL "insider" with 500 followers. Come on guys.
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You can make the case  
Rflairr : 8/30/2013 10:14 pm : link
that outside of JPP, Linval is the best player on the defense. And someone had the nerve to suggest trading him for a backup RB? Unreal
This thread has to be ironic humor  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/30/2013 10:14 pm : link
Arx, are you hacking into accounts?
ilikethenygiants : 8/30/2013 10:14 pm : link
Why would they need him? I mean, it's nice to acquire talent...but Brown's only out for 4-6 weeks and Torain approximates Ingram pretty well. Unless it was a 6th or a 7th, keep the picks.
He's really not that good  
Jerry in DC : 8/30/2013 10:15 pm : link
Or at least he hasn't been good yet in the NFL. After using a 1st round pick the Saints surely wanted him to be the main guy in the backfield and he hasn't been able to win the job. His productivity is generally worse than the other guys in the Saints backfield. All signs point to Ingram being "just a guy."

Now the Giants do actually need a "just a guy", but you wouldn't want to give up much to get one.
spike : 8/30/2013 10:15 pm : link
for Ingram. Done.
Anakim : 8/30/2013 10:18 pm : link
With a little under 300 carries  
j_rud : 8/30/2013 10:22 pm : link
Ingram has averaged 3.9 YPC in both his nfl seasons, has a career ling of 31 yards, and with 17 receptions doesn't offer much as a receiver. And he's run behind a very good OL too. A high pick AND conditional mid rounder? They're out of their damn minds.
No Thanks...from an article from before this years draft  
New22 : 8/30/2013 10:25 pm : link
On the football analytics panel, which included former Kansas City general manager Scott Pioli, they talked about the size, weight and speed ratio for former Alabama running back Mark Ingram and how the numbers indicated that the former Heisman Trophy winner would be too slow to be successful in the NFL.

He had an analytics red flag.

Ingram has yet to distinguish himself in the league after two seasons with New Orleans. Hes averaged 3.9 yards per carry on 278 attempts and scored 10 touchdowns.
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Whenever Ingram is  
CromartiesKid21 : 8/30/2013 10:25 pm : link
in the game its over the years its been pretty obvious Saints were dialing up a running play which defenses sat on...much like when Ron Dayne would come into games for us, not making excuses for his 3.9 but the Saints offense isnt the type that would make most downhill running RBs successful
Looks like BS  
Torn Tendon : 8/30/2013 10:29 pm : link
from earlier this year.
same guy all his rumors fail - ( New Window )
AcidTest : 8/30/2013 10:30 pm : link
it looks like the whole thing is false, but although rare in the NFL, it seems that trades are most likely to happen right before teams finalize their rosters.
it is suspicious  
Mr. Nickels : 8/30/2013 10:30 pm : link
because Mark Ingram played a lot during the Saints last preseason game.. showcasing??
From ESPN  
Mr. Nickels : 8/30/2013 10:34 pm : link
[quote]Ingram gained 49 yards on nine carries and scored an eight-yard touchdown in Thursday's preseason finale against Miami.
Spin: In the final preseason game in which most teams elect to rest their starters, it was interesting to see Ingram receive a heavy workload, including a few carries in the second half. However, with Travaris Cadet not making the trip to Miami and the Saints holding Darren Sproles out, someone had to see snaps at running back. Still, it was nice to see Ingram play well even if it was against the Dolphins' second-stringers. Ingram is expected to see most of the carries in the Saints' offense and handle much of the short yardage and goal line work. [quote]
"Painter back to throw....  
mattlawson : 8/30/2013 10:34 pm : link
sacked again"
But who is Darren Connolly?  
sphinx : 8/30/2013 10:36 pm : link
Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
FWIW, the #Saints are mad at me for leaking the story and I've gotten some nasty phone calls, but I'm here to give you all the scoop first

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 5h
Hearing LB Cam Johnson has been informed he has made the #49ers final roster #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 5h
Hearing that #Steelers are now in bidding war with #NYGiants for #Saints RB Mark Ingram #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 7h
Hearing #Raiders have "very strong" interest in TE Jake Ballard, who was released from #Patriots today #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 7h
#Saints want a high draft pick and conditional mid round draft pick package for RB Ingram #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 7h
Source: LB Brian Urlacher has rejected 1 year deal to join #Raiders and electing to stay retired #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
#Saints fans appear to be mixed on Mark soon as I have more details on the situation I will update, situation moving fast #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
Hearing #Raiders would need to be blown away for any deal involving FB Marcel Reece...but they are willing to listen #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
Source: #Raiders have put FB Marcel Reece on trading block as well this afternoon in search of 2014 draft pick #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
Source in #NYGiants organization telling me team is currently offering conditional 4th round pick that could turn into a 3rd & a 7 #Saints

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
Across the #NFL many are feeling that this is a ploy by Mickey Loomis to have Ingram take a paycut to remain with team #NFL #Saints

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
Still, my source within #Saints organization is telling me while talks are ongoing with #Steelers and #NYGiants team is weighing options

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 3h
Rival #NFCSouth GM just told me directly that he is "pissed off" on what the #Saints might be getting for RB Ingram #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 7h
Source: #Saints and #NYGiants discussing deal involving RB Mark Ingram and multiple draft picks trade 50-50 on happening #NFL

Darren Connolly IV ‏@DConnollyNFL 9h
Hearing #Saints have put RB Mark Ingram on trading block and are listening to offers #NFL
I liked Ingram a lot in college  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/30/2013 10:37 pm : link
he wasn't quite Trent Richardson, but he was a better overall RB than Lacy by a decent amount. I also think the Saints were just a bad fit for him. But bad fit or not, a 1st round talent should still show more than he did in New Orleans.

I'd be ok with it I guess depending on the price. But I'm on that David Wilson bandwagon, that's a thoroughbred that we need to ride this year. I worry that adding Ingram would take carries away from Wilson. But if Wilson's pass pro is considered THAT bad by the coaches then maybe this is the right call. But I think Wilson can be a capable blocker. It's about recognition with him he isn't some Jahvid Best tiny guy he has the power to block once he understands how.
You should probably be realizing it's a junk source  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/30/2013 10:40 pm : link
when a nobody starts citing sources insides the Giants organization.
damdevs : 8/30/2013 10:40 pm : link
What do you think we'd get for Joseph? 4th at best and probably a 5th. You clowns are delusional if you think it would be better than that.

I hate Ingram and think he's a bust. Personally I wouldn't touch him with a ten ft poll, but that trade makes sense. It gets rid of our logjam at DT and helps with an immediate need.
This "NFL Insider" is just a fake account.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/30/2013 10:44 pm : link
He hasn't reported anything from july 29th to august 23, and then didn't post again until tonight.

I think we can move on from this topic.
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