NY Giants cuts 8/31

so we can keep track of all the NYG cuts today

Cut

Goodin had an outside chance of unseating Cordle.

I think Goodin has a good chance of making the practie squad.

To the list

I thought he had a great shot with Brown's injury and Hill's suspension.

Hjdjjj

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really did him in I think.. might get picked up by someone.

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Rams-ease

But he was a liability in coverage, and not particularly stout against the run.

Sash is obviously the most surprising cut so far. Not surprised about Barden.

Ross and T2 as emergency safeties? Or will they keep Caldwell...

Broha
Goodin
Sash
Barden

Looks like 3 safeties.

time at safety so he's the fourth?

is a dumb cut

we're at 3 at the minute.

and Caldwell being cut is good news for players like McBride and James.

Just a special teamer.

James has the inside track because of PR

who is terrible..

Stevie brown injury really hurts

smart cut. Hope another NFL disagrees with me though. I wish him well

but isn't there an nfl rule that if they make the final roster then their salary is guaranteed for the year. Since Hill doesn't count right now, cutting Sash means that they could resign him later and then let him go without salary implication when Hill returns.

they have signed or claimed a safety?

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May mean they keep a CB who plays safety as well?
I'm sure also depends on who they can sign

Part III?

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going to make it? That would be a surprise.

Just what I was thinking. Safety will be claimed and signed from another teams cut

I wonder if the Giants will just roll the dice with Rolle, Mundy, and Taylor, or sign someone else's castoff...maybe after the Dallas game?

The answer is yes, but the only question is -
Is he at all better than Sash
Regardless, Sash was overrated by many here.
He is a terrible cover safety

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he will be inactive every week but will be on the roster

Howard

I may be wrong but I believe if you are a Vet and on the roster week one your salary is guaranteed. I see the Giants going after a few after week 1 Sash & KP would make sense.

final 53 at 6 today is not the 53 who will be on roster next Sunday.

who hasn't gotten reps. He has great measureables and playing a position of huge need.
Being cut would be the big surprise

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This move to waive Sash means that Cooper Taylor is on the team. We'll pick up a 4th safety IMO by the time week 2 comes around. It may even be one of Sash or Caldwell, or somebody else on another roster.

to the list

love for this guy. He stinks.

Is a smart cut. We need athletes back there.

where you guys are getting these updates?

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release means the Giants will keep Ross and Thomas and use them at safety when they shift to a nickel or dime set. See how they do and then make a call after Week 4 when Hill is able to return.

Also, maybe with that concussion, Sash will be out a few weeks anyway, and with Hill gone, they can't afford to carry him for no reason.

TIME!

tweeted he has hit the waiver wire.

would it be possible to have one thread for just news on who is cut and one for reactions/discussions/analysis?

Thanks

Thats a head scratcher

little surprised by James, but he will probably be added to the PS if he clears waivers.

No interest in McCants, even on the PS.

he can't play for atleast part of those 4 weeks. That really killed his chances.

Practice squad assuming he isn't claimed.

I thought he had a lot of promise, especially with Hosely nicked up.

dumb

I agree McCants didn't show anything again this year.

With James gone,does McBride get the nod?

will have a job. If he's not claimed, the Giants will bring him back to the PS.

any more than Eli can.

TC said the S subject has never been thought about. They are interested to see if he can make it on the field as nickel.

Wish they kept him, hope he makes ps.

kid has a future; I wouldn't be shocked to see a bad team claim him later this evening/tomorrow morning for their 53-man roster. If he clears waivers, he's a shoe-in candidate for the Practice Squad.

Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 2m
My cutdown list for #NYG at 7 right now: Broha, Goodin, Sash, Barden, Caldwell, McCants and James ... 15 more cuts/moves to come.

He played both CB and S in college, no?

Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 58s
And yes, Markus Kuhn staying on PUP to start regular season will open another spot. So 13 cuts/moves left, maybe more #NYG

The announced cuts look like our practice squad if all goes well

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Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 53s And yes, Markus Kuhn staying on PUP to start regular season will open another spot. So 13 cuts/moves left, maybe more #NYG

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Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 3m And as I have noted, Will Hill getting moved to suspended list will open another spot. So 14 cuts/moves to be made. #NYG

SAsh also

no.

they showed that they belonged....and our seasoned corners can play as a 3rd safty

at Safety when T2 has never done it at this level and ross was just horrific at it in 09

as the 5th CB.

thought he showed a lot.

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Not exactly a seasoned S. He has enough problems at nickel

I'm pretty sure of that.

Prince, Webster, Thomas, Ross and Halsey are 5. Not saying mcbride doesn't make it

1. Reserve/Suspended List - FS, Will Hill
2. Reserve PUP - DT, Markus Kuhn

CUTS:
3. DE, Matt Broha - Waived
4. OG/C, Stephen Goodin - Waived
5. CB, Charles James - Waived
6. OT, Matt McCants - Waived
7. WR, Ramses Barden - Released
8. SS, Tyler Sash - Waived
9. FS, David Caldwell

hurt more than the miracle bounce and solid returns. I hope he clears waivers.

between released and waived?

you mean 6th CB if there is one...which is unlikely.
PA, CW, AR, TT, TH are rhe first 5.

Yes he had the muff early but had a great return later. PS hopefully &

My guess is Hosley, if he's healthy, followed by Randle, then Ross (if he sticks, and so far he has).

My mistake. Still I think we're a secondary player short

I've got

Prince
Hosley
Webster
Ross
Thomas
Rolle
Munday
Taylor

Which is only 8, you've got to think there's another one to be added.

Unless I've miscounted.

How did Barden look? Any Safeties on waiver wire?

Players with more than 4 years experience get released. They can be signed as free agents with any team.

Players with less than that get waived. Every other team in the league gets a chance to claim them (and their current contract) before they become free agents.

veterans = released FAs.

non vets = less than 5 accrued seasons = waivers.

I knew it had something to do with veteran/rookie status.

We have to hope for no injuries at Safety. I think we can get by with 3 for now. We will keep 6 CB's, TT, Ross and Holsey can play nickel/dime packages. J. Williams plays as a 3rd safety in his spot at times, he can cover.

Thomas led the team in tackles and INT for two seasons. Im pretty sure he could handle the responsibility IF it was presented to him. I will take Michael Eisens opinion over most of BBI, with all do respect. :-)

really interested in what happens here.

They're basically all healthy and contributed.

Players placed on Waivers are players with LESS THAN 4 accrued years. They can be claimed by other teams over a 24 hour period.

Veterans with 4 OR MORE accrued seasons of experience automatically become free agents, and are not subject to waiver claims (i.e., Mike Patterson for instance). These players are free to sign with the team of their choice.

...in the amount of time he was given this pre-season, he had 8 tackles and 1 sack. And he was often around the ball. Will be very surprised if some team doesn't put a claim in for what has been a productive ball player in two pre-seasons.

be using more traditional nickel defense (3 CBs) rather than the "Big Nickel" (3 safeties)

You are right. The will play nickel with 3 CBs and small dime with 4CBs.

Cover three with one S and 2 CBs will not need to change.

So they will dress 3S as usual.

To sit by the phone

My bad.

FA = 4+ accrued seasons.

Conor Orr ‏@ConorTOrr 1m

Hearing the Giants are very much interested in having Charles james back if he clears waivers. Big if, but he could be back. #nyg

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Conor Orr ‏@ConorTOrr 1m
Hearing the Giants are very much interested in having Charles james back if he clears waivers. Big if, but he could be back. #nyg

I guess they figure they can risk 3S for 4 weeks until WH is back.

could easily be picked up.

wondering if there is any chance Giants are trying to trade Austin. Now is the time....if they're going to cut him, and other teams are interested...they'll want him before he hits the waiver wire.

in giving up anything of note for Marvin Austin.

Useless

1. Who are you, Mr. Nickels?
2. Sash is not a good NFL player.
3. He's injured.

So please explain why it was a dumb cut?

Do Carr or Painter make it?

you prefer Hardy or Harris?

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is the only backup slot WR we got

why? Giants are loaded at DT....he's had limited opportunities this preseason...he's a 310 pounder who can rush the passer, who's really flashed. He's as healthy as he's been in 2 years....and some teams I'm sure see his upside. I'm sure there has to be teams thin at DT.

I think Giants could pick up a 5th-6th rounder or another quality safety or o-lineman.

Do they keep five or six? I'm leaning yes, Cruz is dinged.

Nicks
Cruz
Randle
Murphy
Jernigan (?)
Hardy (?)

Agree 8 is bare minimum to keep.

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might get a seventh or sixth for Austin. He's young, has been injured, and has flashed this preseason. Somebody might think he'd benefit from a change of scenery. And what do teams usually get in the sixth or seventh round anyway? But that's it. And I'm not saying I would even make that trade.

As little as he's shown, it's still more than Jernigan has ever done. Sinorice Moss was Victor Cruz compared to Jernigan.

Leaning for six WR's as opposed to 5.

I feel we not too satisfied with this position

I wish there are better options

JJ might still get cut, though JR refuses to say sorry. Talley plays slot.

But that's just me.

if JJ gets cut, no other team is running out to sign him.

in front of him on the depth chart. Jernigan has a much tougher path to playing time than Moss ever did.

just a little, but all Barden can do is miss practices and beat up on the Panthers(which I guess is more than Jernigan if you look at it this way).

Over hardy. Hardy is awful

08/11/13 - TE Jake Ballard returned to game action and made his Patriots debut in the preseason opener against the Eagles. Ballard is working back from a torn ACL that he suffered against New England as a member of the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI. He got the start against Philly and while he didn't register a catch, he did have a number of impressive blocks. "It was good to see him out there," Bill Belichick said of Ballard's performance. "Jake has been a regular participant through training camp. I think he played 10, 12 plays, whatever it was last night. It seemed to go well, so we'll just continue to go along with both his input as to how he's progressing and our medical staff, in consultation with them, to continue to try to let him work his way back to maybe a more extended role than where he's at now hopefully. But that will just have to take some time. We'll continue to go through the process, but I thought he did well. He showed up positively on a number of plays

Does TC give him this one last year?

especially since Cruz is dinged.

is in real need of a TE and they cut Ballard. Does they tell you anything about his knee. Loved Ballard but he is done

I saw him struggling with blocking in preseason.

We have our TE already. Donnell will be the starter very soon. He's bigger than Ballard. Better athlete. And he can block.

I thought Caldwell would make it. Keeping 3 S is tight. It may be good news for Austin to make it.

Any of the CBs can help at S. Thomas is physical. He can play the position.

be surprised if we brought back Ballard or Jacobs. Ballard is hurt and Jacobs is done.

As far as the WRs, JJ, Barden, Talley, Hardy, and Collins. No thanks to all, but JJ makes it by default.

cut

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TT said it has never even been mentioned to him.

Where do these weird ideas come from?

It would take a year to learn a new position...and then maybe fail.

From the same place that has Pugh playing center.

I don't know why people think this couldn't be done(in a pinch).

about Thomas at S if somebody gets hurt.

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However, I don't see Donnell eclipsing him on the depth chart anytime soon. I had some hope that Robinson might've been able to do it, but that hope has faded fast.

maybe not great safety, but safety.

Would it be the best option, of course not, but while they wait on bonehead Hill it may be a short term solution.

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David Carr @DCarr8
RT @plattdavid: Let the enjoyment of sports lead to ever-increasing affection for God. www.radical.net

Ummm...thoughts about maybe signing a real safety?

I didn't like him from the first preseason I saw him.

Of course, I also thought J. Williams was going to get cut so I was only 50% right.

playing safety, and Thomas even commented on it.
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You can't have a blocker like that on the field. If he was a matchup problem in the pass game you can overlook the blocking. But he isn't.

The Giants gave him more PT vs NE to see something. He didn't deliver. TC will not put up with his blocking. Robinson and/or Donnell will get the majority of snaps. This will happen very soon.

I hope you're right.

And uses three safeties has here safeties in the roster. They will be adding a safety to this roster.

Reese.

The reason the Giants gave Meyers more playing time against the Pats was because Robinson was out. Don't let your bias cloud your perception of reality.

"...same place that has Pugh playing center." Never a shortage of wit. Thanks. Needed that laugh!

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you need to go back to read for context

Terrell Thomas ‏@TerrellThomas24 58m
It's in Gods hands! Enjoy life #GODPLANS
Retweeted by Ralph Vacchiano

and since then no beat writer has seen or noted Thomas playing Safety.

You suck the blood out of posting here. :-}

but BBI says he would just fail.
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I'm just arguing the point he could play safety without sitting out a year to get his PhD in safety play.

It's freakin' football.

but his arms were too short to snap the ball to Eli's hands.

How does God feel about it?

S P E C U L A T I O N.

TC said in answer to a reporter's question that he has not given any thought to the idea and he has no idea where such ideas came from.

TT separately in answer to a journalist's query said the subject has never been mentioned to him . But that he would even play kicker if asked.

What more do you want?

Don' you think they would have even mentioned the subject to TT?

Like maybe read the play book for S?

Or maybe even practice at the position just a tiny bit?

is that he can hit.

If hitting was the only qualification for playing safety, there would be a lot of good safeties.

Ross is a willing hitter too. How well did he do at safety?

Hope Painter and Carr are two of our last cuts.

he appeared very comfortable catching punts. I hope he makes it to our PS, I think he has a future in the NFL.

Carr is not needed either, though not a waste. Go with 2 and move forward.

I'm saying he can.

And its possible they're going thin at safety because in a pinch, he can go in and contribute.

TTH, theres more reasons given than just hitting. Im not saying their opinions on TTs ability are the final word, but they have a little more to base their opinion on than you or I?

If playing S is so easy why didn't Sash and Caldwell make it?

They both have terrific athletic ability and pro day stats.

And they have played the position well over a year...like a decade.

are getting too caught up in semantics and the names of positions. There are hybrid roles on defense.

Keep 'til the end -- in the mad hope of a trade offer.

who said it was easy??

Why is it some corners have been very successful at transitioning to safety but guys who have been playing safety their whole lives cant do it? Maybe because some guys are just good football players and some arent?

... there are lots of CBs who have transitioned to safety later in their careers with apparently little difficulty. I'm pretty sure every veteran DB knows what all the DBs on the field are supposed to be doing. It could be done with TT, and I'm not sure it wouldn't be a good idea.

But the issue with TT is not whether he's a good corner, it's whether he's physically capable of playing in the NFL. If and when the Giants are convinced of that, they might decide that their best secondary would include TT at safety. And sure, at that point, they would start giving him reps in practice, and they haven't done that yet. But holy cow, if we're worried about only having 3 safeties on the roster, and if Rolle or Mundy got dinged up in a game, would you be terrified to throw TT in there? I would not, if I was convinced he was healthy enough to play.

There was a better way to format this thread so you don't have to look through 100 posts to find an update

Not good at arguing, are we, because I never said it was easy.

Sash, Caldwell, myself, we can't play NFL safety because we don't have the proper skill set. Thomas probably does. In fact I'll go out on a limb and say Thomas has much more talent than I do(or Sash or a lot of actual starting safeties in the NFL).

He can play if he had to is all I'm saying. You said

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It would take a year to learn a new position...and then maybe fail.

and this just isn't true.

If you had to put Thomas at safety(God forbid)next Sunday he would probably struggle but I have no doubt he would get better every day.

Who are the top 10 bubble players at this point?

If Terrell Thomas plays Deon Grant's third-safety role in the nickel defense, that really isn't what you are thinking in terms of a traditional safety role.

They were doing that all summer. Thomas has been there, Ross has been there, Hosley has been there.

updates with a comment or two thrown in, not a full page of T2 to safety talk...

If that is what you planned to do,

would you not
give TT the safety playbook and make him learn it?
practice him at safety?
evaluate his performance at safety?



All this talk of converting CBs to S overlooks the fact that the successful transitions have taken a year or more.

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sphinx : 1:01 pm Terrell Thomas ‏@TerrellThomas24 58m It's in Gods hands! Enjoy life #GODPLANS Retweeted by Ralph Vacchiano

He'd be a very surprising cut imo.

Right. You are talking about TT playing slot nickel back. That is what he is currently practicing.

Not center field.

Cuts Only (no commentary, please), and Reaction to Cuts.

as Eric has said it's all semantics and we're just going round in circles.

Let's post news only. Save the Cicero talk for another thread.

No if ands or buts

This year Rolle was supposed to move back and play that roaming position and Brown more in the box. Brown is now out so that may change but just assuming a guy can play a position doesn't mean he would or not do well up until its tried.

Long term Hill is coming back and you can bet Taylor was drafted to be the closer to the LOS safety. Big Nickel wise who knows now as any plans are probably just to get to game 5 when Hill comes back.

"God is good". Could mean anything from he made the team to him being thankful for being given an opportunity.

Are cutting both Carr and Painter.

in the Lord, pretty cool!

Jake Ballard has been released with the less then steller play of the te position . How bout signing him?

that Talley was going to be the 6th receiver.

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he thinks TT has the talent to play safety and that might be his ultimate position if he hopes to stay in the league for any length of time, considering his injury situation.
And TT himself feels he is talented enough to make the switch, and he's more than willing to play safety if it means prolonging his career.
That's where the speculation comes from.
Nothing is imminent, barring an emergency.

Dynasty, Julian Talley is Muslim, by the way.

want Talley. Would rather go with five WRs, and use the spot for another position. Put one of Talley, Hardy, or Collins, on the PS if necessary, but not on the roster.

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His status as a guy with no accrued years will help the team since he offers roster flexibility, unlike Barden. If Barden were on the team week 1, his FULL contract would count against the cap. Players with less than 4 accrued years like Talley on the opening day squad as well as players signed after week 1 only count against the cap on a weekly basis as opposed to the full season.

guys who are on the bubble, but who showed good stuff like Patterson, Austin, or Trattou.

Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 15m
Remember: if #NYG decide to put Andre Brown on IR-designation to return, can't be done until Tuesday. So AB must be kept on 53 until then.

Bryant Browning? He was a regular turnstile at RT.

Agreed. The Giants must know that other teams would be interested in some of the DL we have to cut. Get what you can, even if it's a few low round picks, or maybe a backup player at an important position like OT, RB, or S.

I like Talley, don't know what his chances are but I wouldn't mind seing him make it.

Watching him run routes, looks crisp, natural, reminds me a little of Cruz. Hope he makes it over jernigan. Done with JJ

Is simply a bad football player, and he does not belong on an NFL roster. They will keep the 6 corners, and 3 safeties, and Hill will make the 4th when he gets back. Sash was never making this team. The guy I think sneaks in is Talley, and I said it yesterday, I also think Donnell sneaks in. I also think they go with the 6 DT's and 4 DE's, and cut Tracy, unless they keep him and cut Bosworth. Giants do not use linebackers enough to keep any more then 6, and they could go with 5 if they keep Tracy.

I was hoping we would see more movement on this before the Notre Dame Game, yes I know that is a completely selfish post!

A trade based simply on conditions that may or may not be met to simply steer the player away from any direct competition would suffice (ideally to teams in any of the 3 AFC divisions that the Giants won't play this year other than the AFC West). Matt pointed this out to me on a thread I started last week about Jerry Reese trades. He brought up the Michael Matthews trade to New England as an example. The Giants wound up getting nothing for him due to conditions not being met, but at least the Giants sent him in a direction the would prefer him to go, rather than a team we compete directly with like the Foreskins, Eagles, and Cowflops.

10 roster moves made so far. 12 more to go by the 6 pm ET deadline:

CUTS - WAIVED/RELEASED:
1. WR, Ramses Barden - RELEASED
2. SS, Tyler Sash - WAIVED
3. FS, David Caldwell - WAIVED
4. DE, Matt Broha - WAIVED
5. CB, Terrence Frederick - WAIVED
6. OG/C, Stephen Goodin - WAIVED
7. CB, Charles James - WAIVED
8. OT, Matt McCants - WAIVED


RESERVE/PUP LIST:
9. DT, Markus Kuhn (eligible to return between weeks 7 and 13, or he can be placed on Injured Reserve).


RESERVE/SUSPENDED LIST:
10. FS, Will Hill (eligible to return in week 5 after serving a 4-game suspension for using marijuana).

according to Ralph Sash was cut because of the concussion. Sash made the team last year amidst much stronger competition. Even if just special teams he was not a bad football player

I totally agree with you...and also hope they only keep 5 LB....I would keep Bosworth and cut Herzlich...and add a LB or two to the P S....I would go 6 DT...and keep 5 DE.....with Tracy being the 5th DE....even though Trattou and Ojomo played better in the preseason....Tracy gives them more flexibility to do more things like play LB in a pinch as well more then athletic enough to replace Herzlich on special teams....for those that think we need more then 5 LBs on special teams

there a year when the Giants still weren't done by the 6 pm deadline?

is out of 3 or 4 receiver personnel groupings. I'd be shocked if they did not keep 6 and with Barden cut Talley seems like the next guy.

Let's not resort to name calling, let's try and keep the thread a good thread, Sash is not good, he stinks except for special teams, now that is the only reason they would keep him, and the only reason why they CARRIED him last year. You can make the team if you are that good on specials, and we all understand he was, but he was NEVER going to be an NFL safety, so let's cool it with the dumb post statement, and keep this thread a good one.

Was Waived/Injured according to Vacchiano.

may have made Sash expendable. Looked good vs Patriots.

sometimes the news is slow to come out.

You play specials with a concussion, no way. But he was not going to factor into the safety rotation, that is my point.

and not goign to be picked up by anyone else, so the Giants felt safe letter him recover in the comforts of his own home.

He might still return..

at work....

That is fine, I will also, IO have no problem with that, I just want to keep this thread clean, it's too important.

must have beaten Barden... it looked like Talley had some skill and so that would be a good move.

lets go Reese!

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Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 31m Tyler Sash was actually waived/injured due to his concussion, according to a source. #NYG

That brings the total number if players who were waived injured to 7, so far this training camp and preseason.


1. CB, Antonio Dennard
2. WR, Jeremy Horne
3. WR, Kris Adams
4. OT, Chris DeGeare
5. WR, Keith Carlos
6. CB, Laron Scott
7. SS, Tyler Sash


All these injury settlements will count against the cap starting on Thursday, Sept. 5th.

Special teams players need the DESIRE to sacrifice their bodies for the team, there is not nearly the skill needed as there is to play an NFL position. If the Giants replace him well, there is a good chance he will not be back, if they struggle, then he might.

Sash can't return to play for the Giants until the amount of time of the settlement passes plus another 6 weeks.

For example, if the settlement is for 3 weeks, then Sash will have to wait until week 10 to possibly re-sign and play for the Giants. You're not likely to see him as a result of this until the middle of the season---if he doesn't sign with another team first, which is certainly a possibility.

... you can only be brought back on IR. Another team could sign him to their active roster, but not us, I believe.

Or giants trying to sign someone - which is determining a couple of their cuts. Reason for delay ......

go with 4 QBs...

Check out this excellent article on Injury Settlements by Jason Fitzgerald from overthecap.com, click below:

"What Exactly are Injury Settlements?" - August 29, 2013

He'll then have to wait another 6 weeks, if he hasn't found a gig yet w/another team, to be eligible to sign w/the Giants again.

Champagne Show ‏@Showtime1NJ 1m
@Patricia_Traina not sure about the 53 but ill be "practicing" with the team..

10 roster moves made so far. 12 more to go by the 6 pm ET deadline:

CUTS - WAIVED/RELEASED:
1. WR, Ramses Barden - RELEASED
*2. SS, Tyler Sash - WAIVED/INJURED
3. FS, David Caldwell - WAIVED
4. DE, Matt Broha - WAIVED
5. CB, Terrence Frederick - WAIVED
6. OG/C, Stephen Goodin - WAIVED
7. CB, Charles James - WAIVED
8. OT, Matt McCants - WAIVED


* = The Giants will reach an Injury Settlement w/Sash (unless it becomes a grievance, which it most likely will not).


RESERVE/PUP LIST:
9. DT, Markus Kuhn (eligible to return between weeks 7 and 13, or he can be placed on Injured Reserve).


RESERVE/SUSPENDED LIST:
10. FS, Will Hill (eligible to return in week 5 after serving a 4-game suspension for using marijuana).

thanks

on this thread for those of us who can't be here all day.

(and I don't mean that in a bad way. I wish I could be here all day)

For Carr or Painter?

In past years they dont normally go down to the wire like this.....usually by 4pm on cut day they are done....

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on the practice squad. Can't think of a reason why they would talk to him about practice squad if he is going to make the 53.

Possible goal-line back for us? His conditioning is terrible though

The Giants are probably sniffing around both trades and possible cuts they want to pursue with little or no results so far.

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Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 17s
Yup. Trying to move some guys. RT @TomRock_Newsday: imagine Giants are waiting to make cuts at DL until any possibility of a trade expires.

think it takes twenty-four hours to pass through waivers.

Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 51s
Yup. Trying to move some guys. RT @TomRock_Newsday: imagine Giants are waiting to make cuts at DL until any possibility of a trade expires.

If thats true the Giants can't be waiting on any players cut today. They won't know if they can get them until after the deadline.

with the Giants, but perhaps more. I think that may have also had something to do with the decision to waive him.

Plenty of obvious cuts remain:

RB Delray Scott
TE Donnell would prefer Pascoe
WR J Talley ( move to PS)
WR M Harris
WR K Hardy
OL Capers
OL Browning
OL Herman
OL Cordle
QB Carr
QB Painter

Tough calls on D remain

Teams will put in there claims between 6 pm ET today and 12 pm ET tomorrow. That's an 18 hour window that will essentially turn into a feeding frenzy.

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September 1 - Claiming period for players placed on waivers at the final roster reduction will expire at 12:00 p.m., New York time. Source: 2013-2014 NFL Calendar: All The Dates You Need To Know

Optimus. I thought it was twenty-four hours instead.

before putting in a claim. Is that correct?

your claim is accepted.

"Beach" Scott?

says Talley has been waived
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when was the last time that happened?

Do you really think our guys are THAT good?

you have to be waived and make it through waivers to get signed to the practice squad.

@MikeGarafolo 58s
Adding to my previous tweet on NYG DTs, the team has tried to trade Marvin Austin, which could be an indication he's about to be cut.

Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 1m
Adding to my previous tweet on NYG DTs, the team has tried to trade Marvin Austin, which could be an indication he's about to be cut.

Dan Graziano @DanGrazianoESPN
RT @MikeGarafolo: On NYG DTs, the team has tried to trade Marvin Austin, which could be an indication he's about to be cut. 33s
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Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo
Adding to my previous tweet on NYG DTs, the team has tried to trade Marvin Austin, which could be an indication he's about to be cut.

for Ingram do it Jerry lol

have waited to the last minute lots of times.

That doesn't mean they aren't trying to swing something, but most of the time, nothing happens.

Why would anyone trade for someone who is in danger of bring cut?

won't have to get into a bidding war for the player

He gets exec of the year if he ever swung that.

If a team was sure they wanted him the only to assure getting him is via trade

is subjected to waivers, so good teams have to trade to get him, even if its a low round pick

is if another GM is in LOVE with your player and will give something up to avoid the possibility that the player is claimed on waivers by another teamr

If the price is right and you want the guy you trade. That way you don't have to get lucky on waivers.

But if I'm a GM I wouldn't make the trade, I'd take my chances on waivers.

so they will snap up Austin for certain via waivers.

and will instead waive Patterson or Rogers.

Are in the Clowney sweepstakes at this point.

But the Bills D-line is not starved for talent. Their 2 DTs are probably better than our starting two and Mario Williams is a 10+ sack a year guy.

The Bills two "starting" DTs are probably better than our starting two.

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a Marvin Austin and one of Carr/Painter to Buffalo trade? They need a DT and veteran QB, maybe we get a 5 instead of a 6 pick.
The 'Bay needs a veteran QB behind Rodgers; let GB and Buffalo think we're keeping 3 so only 1 QB will be available from us. Let them 'fight' over QB, and if GB wins, throw in MA for a higher pick, or nobody at all. Once whichever trade is made, cut the other QB, or keep AND shop the remaining one.

the moves, or at least some of them, may have already been made and just not announced. This really is not that unusual.

ought to be able to trade Austin for something. Lots of teams are starved at DT, he's still young, he's relatively cheap, and he has shown something this preseason. At the very least, he has his highlight hit of Sanchez.

... to keep Sanchez' mouth in line.

... A conditional 6th for Austin would be a windfall.

Agreed. We aren't going to get much. I'd settle for a sixth, but we might only get a seventh.

The motivation for another team to at least give something is that he is still subject to waivers, so a trade is necessary in order to ensure that they get him.

I'm not sure when exactly the top-51 rule expires.

We might be waiting on a restructure to be finalized.

right now. The Bills line is not "starved for talent".

I know that Patterson has outplayed him during the preseason, but he's starting to flash some of that talent. It'd be a shame that we waited this long to give up on him.

I'll try to picture JR & Co. this afternoon.

the Giants are $2,996 million under the top 51 cap which expires 9/4

The Top 51 Rule ceases at 4 pm on Wednesday, September 4th. They still have about 4 days to take care of their cap problems. The Giants are listed as being $2,966,712 under the cap now as per the NFLPA's Top 51 League Cap Report website.

Not to mention...there is a 9 year age difference between Patterson and Austin...and this is essentially Austin's 2nd year in the league...

gone? His girlfriend just tweeted "everything happens for a reason"

folks put on a 6th Rd pick. I'd rate it as only better than nothing.

This team is trying to make the playoffs now, this year, and they went to obvious lengths to field vast improvements to the D-line.

Patterson has completely outplayed austin. The writing was on the wall for Austin the minute they drafted Hankins.

you follow Herzlich's girlfriend on twitter?

Hankins and Austin play different positions. One is a NT and the other an UT.

She follows me too. That's what friends do.

if Herzlich is cut. But they will need another LB.

put her on waivers

Friends thing. You can get good info on these guys from their women

He is a shitty LB'er but a quality guy on specials

Hankins may not even get many snaps till midseason, just like they developed Joseph his rookie year.

They're not going to carry two young guys who may not play when they could replace Austin with a not-old veteran who clearly deserves to play.

Take that mongos!

trade of a player. We did well to get a 2nd and a 5th from the Saints for Shockey. Those draft choices turned into Clint Sintim and Rhett Bomar.

In other words, we got nothing for Shockey.

She's famous too!

Bosworth did well on specials too and made more plays on defense

he's not good enough to start at LB, but we're down to the minimum there and he's an excellent special teamer. I'd expect him to stay although he might be replaced depending who else is available on the wire.

Does that mean to her that he's gone (waived) or simply that whatever happens happens for a reason? Do you know or have a guess? (My own would be that he makes the team.)

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plays 130 snaps we get the Saints # 1 pick for Shockey, so let's hold off

Not something someone would say if they weren't worried or didn't already have bad news

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So...we should never trade a player for a draft pick (or picks) because we crapped out in the Shockey deal?

so I added her.

P.S. The wives/girlfriends of these players definitely are good sources of intel.

Really wondering why we need to keep Herzlich to play special teams when a player like Tracy is the same size, more athletic, and gives you the same thing on specials....prefer to go with the position of strength DL...and cut a mediocre LB Herzlich

isn't exactly a difficult decision. You may as well fly the kite out there.

Giants should sign Antoine Caldwell or Chilo Rachal as O Line depth....glad Sash is finally gone. Its hard for a guy who has no motor to be chasing down guys like DeSean Jackson and Dez Bryant. Mundy is way better then Sash. Take the blinders off

DE & LB are interchangeable...don't understand why guys on this board think we need to hold on to scrubs...simply to play specials...go with your best football players regardless of positions

has to be special teams. Don't want to cut to many players that are important to special teams.

An sign Rachal or Caldwell. At least they have experience. Id trade Austin anfd a 6th for Ingram tops.

What value is there in keeping more then 6 DTS and less of another position. This isn't fantasy football guys. One injury and then its in Reese we detest.

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According to you Tracy can play mlb?

He sucks. Doesnt play specials. Will only take up a roster spot. Keep Donnell over him. Find a back up slot guy that got cut. With Nicks, Cruz, Randle, Murphy, Myers, and Wilson Eli willhave plenty of players to throw to. Pick up up a slot guy who can play unlike Jernigan. Id take the Jets Spadola over Jernigan

You want to go into the season with four WRs? And if Cruz doesn't play, three?

My bad... I didn't see your comment about picking up another WR.

The value is Herzlich is a mediocre undrafted free agent that can be replaced with a similar player on your practice squad...or somewhere else in the league...in the mean time players like Moore and Tracy can more then do the job on specials...there is more value in keeping more talented players...then simply deciding based on a set number at each position...

Caldwell is not a good football player. Rachal isn't a good football player, either, and he's a headcase to boot.

I see Tracy's role as a Kiwi type role...one of the other backers...most likely Bosworth would back up the MLB spot...go with your most talent ball players is the better move

I said it earlier that Tracy could be retained if they believe he can play standing up, I thought Bosworth would be the guy cut though, but if it is Herz, that is a good sign that they really like him, and we really need a surprise back there, that is for sure.

For all this speculation on who can play on specials. I'm sorry but until l see it am not convinced. Seen too many seasons where our specials sucked. Sash was impressive on specials. Unfortunate he got injured. Looked liked a gamer.

For all this speculation on who can play on specials. I'm sorry but until l see it am not convinced. Seen too many seasons where our specials sucked. Sash was impressive on specials. Unfortunate he got injured. Looked liked a gamer.

preseason. Yes that sometimes is enough to secure a roster spot. I heard his concussion was not that bad. This is definitely a surprise move.

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girlfriend

10 roster moves made so far. 12 more to go by the 6 pm ET deadline:

CUTS - WAIVED/RELEASED:
1. WR, Ramses Barden - RELEASED
*2. SS, Tyler Sash - WAIVED/INJURED
3. FS, David Caldwell - WAIVED
4. DE, Matt Broha - WAIVED
5. CB, Terrence Frederick - WAIVED
6. OG/C, Stephen Goodin - WAIVED
7. CB, Charles James - WAIVED
8. OT, Matt McCants - WAIVED


* = The Giants will reach an Injury Settlement w/Sash (unless it becomes a grievance, which it most likely will not).


RESERVE/PUP LIST:
9. DT, Markus Kuhn (eligible to return between weeks 7 and 13, or he can be placed on Injured Reserve).


RESERVE/SUSPENDED LIST:
10. FS, Will Hill (eligible to return in week 5 after serving a 4-game suspension for using marijuana).

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Waved at the beach

if you are waived, you have to pass through waivers. Vets don't.

more than Taylor. Taylor had the worst play of the preseason on the 50 Yard TD vs NE. My gosh his feet had cement boots on them.

The WR stumbled and was still able to gather himself and get past Taylor without even getting touched. This guy may gets snaps as our last line of defense? Yikes. At least Caldwell could close to the ball and tackle.

Less than 30 minutes left

are going to be REAL tough.

Hoping like heck that Patterson makes it. He deserves it.

Thanks again for the updates, guys. Fuckin' mulch! :)

I don't see Talley on your list. That this meen the earlier reports of him being waved are unconfirmed.

Would not be shocked to see him on our Practice Squad

or the year before, the Giants' press release didn't come out until well after 6PM.

Please correct me if I missed that.

Sash may not have been great, but 3 at safety including a late round rookie is crazy. They must have some plan B.

But I do have to wonder if KP may be in play.

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Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 35s

Looks like #NYG have parted ways with David Carr, per his wife @Melody_Carr's tweet

With Carr. I liked painter better.

released

Quote:

Melody Carr ‏@Melody_Carr 2m It has been an blessing to be a part of the NY Giants for 5 seasons! We are off on a new adventure and� http://instagram.com/p/dsVufRIaiu/

Quote:

Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 1m Looks like #NYG have parted ways with David Carr, per his wife @Melody_Carr's tweet

And free up another roster spot...one of these 2 will be available in an emergency

to be making a lot of tough decisions like letting go of vets and high draft picks.

Kara Keough ‏@karakeough 23s
Heavy heart...

That's incredible, you are imaginative. Too bad it any sense.

too. Like seeing the young guys.

I wrote an article about it here:

These 20 players now on the Giants' 75-man roster are Practice Squad eligible - 8/27/2013 - ( New Window )

taking a meaningful snap for the NYG leaves the taste of vomit in my mouth.

aren't any good. I hope we cut both of them. At least until Tuesday when we can designate Brown for temp IR.

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But I didn't see Sash coming either download knows.

Kyle Bosworth's fiancee'

It looks like

transactions with players not yet on the Giants before the night's over.

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Miles Keogh's wife

is going on? Bosworth? Sounds to me like something is brewing. They wouldn't go with only five Linebacker. Or would they?

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Keep 2 qbs

I'd rather play Nassib

if they will cut Painter and keep just two QBs. Painter didn't look that much better than Carr, who presumably knew the playbook better.

is now 5:58 EST.

The nfl office is getting flooded.

if there is any difference is salary between Carr and Painter- or did Painter win the job ?

Cold come down to Painter vs Austin?

11 roster moves made so far. 11 more to go by the 6 pm ET deadline:

CUTS - WAIVED/RELEASED:
1. WR, Ramses Barden - RELEASED
*2. SS, Tyler Sash - WAIVED/INJURED
3. FS, David Caldwell - WAIVED
4. DE, Matt Broha - WAIVED
5. CB, Terrence Frederick - WAIVED
6. OG/C, Stephen Goodin - WAIVED
7. CB, Charles James - WAIVED
8. OT, Matt McCants - WAIVED
9. QB, David Carr - RELEASED


* = The Giants will reach an Injury Settlement w/Sash (unless it becomes a grievance, which it most likely will not).


RESERVE/PUP LIST:
10. DT, Markus Kuhn (eligible to return between weeks 7 and 13, or he can be placed on Injured Reserve).


RESERVE/SUSPENDED LIST:
11. FS, Will Hill (eligible to return in week 5 after serving a 4-game suspension for using marijuana).



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Bosworth and Talley are question marks at the moment.

may be cut

Painter looked way better to me.

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I am not sure about Talley now. I thought I noticed his name on an earlier list. Will go back and check.

in mind the Giants did this a year or two ago...they don't have to tell us, just the NFL by 6PM.

They need him, unless they've placed him on the waived/injured list, and agreed with his agent on an injury settlement.

Marginally better at best. Neither was sparkling.

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 47s

I'm told Curtis Painter is on the 53-man roster, which would indicate the Giants are going with three QBs this year. #NYG

Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 1m

#NYG have indeed cut Kyle Bosworth ... and I'm shocked.

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Cut.

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 59s

I'm told Curtis Painter is on the 53-man roster, which would indicate the Giants are going with three QBs this year. #NYG
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NYBEN 4:10 pm post says Talley waived

Thought he was a real up and comer. Practice squad maybe.

What is up?

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dont give anyone to the cowboys.

I have a feeling we pick up a S/LB tweener a la Deon Grant.

,they cut. I hope there's a plan...In JR we trust!?

?????????

Who are we making room for? DE should be an interesting cut.

#wasteofaspot

By Bosworth getting cut. Thought he played well enough to make this team

- sarcasm off

our lbers suck anyway if they get hurt just add someone off the scrap heap

Whatever is up, there will be some shopping to do for sure.

Kara Keough ‏@karakeough 39s
U-Haul is packed, just have to figure out where it's going. Either way, I'll see ya Sunday @KyleBosworth. Love you bad. Support you always.

have nothing at RB really either

Nobody would want Painter. Why cut a decent DL for a guy who isn't that good.

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I imagine.

Although he did not look great in his own right.

Sort of related, but someone mentioned Herzlich's girlfriend tweeting before. I follow her as well on twitter (good look in to the side of NFL players lives we don't usually see) and I know she was close with Carr's wife. That may have been why she tweeted what she did. Not necessarily because MH was cut.

Bosworth got cut, but it's not as if any of our LBs are that great.

Except we don't have any safeties, lol.

guess it doesn't matter how you play in pre-season

Danielle Conti ‏@DConti710 1h
Everything happens for a reason.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 7s
#Giants had tough decisions on the DL. Hearing one player likely left out is ex-2nd rounder Marvin Austin. Waiting on final word tho

I don't think Herzlich is getting cut. Too good at specials and a decent backup - plus they might be thinking he still has room to get better.

lol

the third "safety" or nickel corner in the nickel has been Hosley, Thomas, and Ross.

got completely pushed around the other night. He's not an NFL player. James will likely be on the practice squad.

The last time he started for a team they got Andrew Luck. Clearly, he's Plan B.

Painter, Nassib and Manning

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are official cuts...
Giants.com - ( New Window )

Paul Schwartz ‏@NYPost_Schwartz 3s
RB Ryan Torain waived, Giants terminate his contract. #nyg

Otherwise they wouldn't be cut and they wouldn't be passed up by 15 other lousy teams. This is not where you find diamonds in the rough. This is where you find fools gold.

To reach the roster limit, the Giants made the following moves:

*They terminated the contracts of Carr and running back Ryan Torain.

*They waived Sash with an injury settlement.

*Offensive lineman Selvish Capers (knee) was waived/injured.

*Wide receiver Ramses Barden was placed on injured reserve with a knee injury.

*Defensive tackle Markus Kuhn was placed on the reserve/physically unable to perform list. Kuhn, who tore his ACL at Cincinnati last Nov. 11, must miss at least the first six games of the season.

*Safety Will Hill was moved to the NFL�s reserve/suspended list. The NFL announced on July 20 that Hill, a second-year pro, was suspended without pay for the first four games of the 2013 regular season for violating the NFL Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse.

Hill will be eligible to return to the Giants� active roster on Monday, Sept. 30, following the team�s game the previous day against the Kansas City Chiefs.

*The following players were waived: defensive ends Adrian Tracy, Adewale Ojomo and Matt Broha; defensive tackle Marvin Austin; linebacker Kyle Bosworth; offensive linemen Eric Herman, Matt McCants, Stephen Goodin and Bryant Browning; safety David Caldwell; cornerbacks Terrence Frederick and Charles James; and wide receivers Kevin Hardy, Marcus Harris and Julian Talley.
Giants announce 53-man roster - ( New Window )

I am so surprised.

Broha played solid football

Paul Schwrtz

who's playing on ST coverage for the Giants.

I honestly think that the only guy who surprised me this preseason - meaning a 3rd/4th string guy who has a chance to become a starter - was McBride. Good in coverage. Perfect form on many tackles, lays the wood. Stood out rewatching games.

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How could they do that?

Coughlin likes his guys. How the clock doesn't run out on him for some of his decisions.

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Scott Made it. Another wow.

Donnell made it!

He's a keeper at TE. He will be the starter soon.

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The guy is brutal. Has no place on an NFL roster.

Cutting bait and realizing it was a bad pick...austin.

and Trattou fought his way back on the roster again.

13 roster moves made so far. 9 more to go by the 6 pm ET deadline:

CUTS - WAIVED/RELEASED:
1. WR, Ramses Barden - RELEASED
*2. SS, Tyler Sash - WAIVED/INJURED
3. FS, David Caldwell - WAIVED
4. DE, Matt Broha - WAIVED
5. CB, Terrence Frederick - WAIVED
6. OG/C, Stephen Goodin - WAIVED
7. CB, Charles James - WAIVED
8. OT, Matt McCants - WAIVED
9. QB, David Carr - RELEASED
10. WR, Julian Talley - WAIVED
11. OLB, Kyle Bosworth - WAIVED


* = The Giants will reach an Injury Settlement w/Sash (unless it becomes a grievance, which it most likely will not).


RESERVE/PUP LIST:
12. DT, Markus Kuhn (he will be eligible to return between week 7 & week 13, or he can be placed on Injured Reserve).


RESERVE/SUSPENDED LIST:
13. FS, Will Hill (eligible to return in week 5 after serving a 4-game suspension for using marijuana).

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really?

becoming the next Osi...

5 WRs, 3 Safeties.

see above...moves already made. Barden to IR.

Can you update the BBI roster page? There's a lot to sort out

I'm surprised anyone is surprised. Every one of those cuts makes sense relative to the guys we kept.

what if the rationale is that Nassib can't run the scout team well enough yet and wouldn't be ready yet to even remotely take the helm during a game if Eli was banged up.

But after week 4, when Will Hill needs to be added to the roster, they dump Painter and only go with 2 QBs if Nassib has made decent progress?

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Trattou made it! Great for him, though I liked what Ojomo brought on specials and as a pass rush specialist a little more. It may have been a condition of attitude, Trattou certainly deserved it; may you be the next Dave Tollefson.

4 RBs and 3 QBs? 3 Ss and 5LBs? No way.

Dude.

Donell made it as well.

gregg rosenthal ‏@greggrosenthal 1m
Giants cut David Carr and Ryan Torain. Surprising. RB on the way ...

bet they're not done. There will most likely be some additional personnel changes in the next few days, and not just for the PS.

we have Wilson Michael Cox and Da'rel Scott at RB...

and Andre Brown I guess

5 lbers and posibly 4

3 Safeties 4 if one is suspended


Maybe we keep all our DL

Carr was terrible.

Who are 3 useless guys?

We will see about this season and the end results

Here is the current Giants roster, which is subject to change before they fly to Dallas to begin the season:

Offense (26)
QB (3): Eli Manning, Curtis Painter, Ryan Nassib
RB: (4): David Wilson, Andre Brown, Da�Rel Scott, Michael Cox
FB (1): Henry Hynoski
WR (5): Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Rueben Randle, Louis Murphy, Jerrel Jernigan
TE (4): Brandon Myers, Bear Pascoe, Adrien Robinson, Larry Donnell
OL: (9): David Diehl, Chris Snee, Will Beatty, Kevin Boothe, David Baas, Justin Pugh, Jim Cordle, Brandon Mosley, James Brewer

Defense (24)
DE (5): Justin Tuck, Jason Pierre-Paul, Mathias Kiwanuka, Damontre Moore, Justin Trattou
DT (5): Linval Joseph, Cullen Jenkins, Shaun Rogers, Johnathan Hankins, Mike Patterson
LB (5): Dan Connor, Keith Rivers, Spencer Paysinger, Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams
CB (6): Corey Webster, Prince Amukamara, Aaron Ross, Terrell Thomas, Jayron Hosley, Trumaine McBride
S (3): Antrel Rolle, Ryan Mundy, Cooper Taylor

Specialists (3)
K: Josh Brown
P: Steve Weatherford
LS: Zak DeOssie

made it over Torrein.

Nassib has no little shot at being a competent QB this year. A 3rd QB was critical. Then again - we have no shot w/ Painter either. lol. If Eli goes down then we'll be rooting for draft picks.

Brown will go on short term IR once they can do it Maybe they bring Torain back or pick up another RB

Was hoping he turned it around. But I could not over look Pattersons impact.

Never mind the numbers, most of them were lousy.

Did I count wrong?

The Pancake Man?

There were no rhyme or reason for some of these cuts.

poor play forced the Giants to keep 3 QBs this year and they didn't want to risk losing him on waivers and trying to stash him on the practice squad. Ultimately, Painter is younger (and I believe cheaper) than Carr. Since they were more or less the same out there production wise, it's no shock to see Painter win the spot.

And give a tip of the hat to Scott. I thought he was dead after that fumble vs. the Jets. He ran hard and like a guy who wanted to keep his job in that Patriots game and it because of that, with the Brown injury, he made the team.

Get specific and lets debate.

we're stuck with Barden's contract.

that we're going to use Myers more as an H-back/receiver than a TE. If we're actually keeping 4.

GiantsWFAN ‏@giantswfan 25s
and no, i do not believe this is the 53 the #giants will take into dallas....think other moves to come

We are better with this lod heir then without. Herz nation!

Donnell start at TE "soon"

Is lucky.

...8 tackles and 3 sacks in 4 pre-season games. He deserves to make the team.

Ojomo or bosworth over herzlich

... hope they get Goodin back on the PS.

If Brown is moved to temp IR, which position gets the extra body?

but I'm a bit surprised that Trattou made it over Ojomo.

Also think the Giants add a RB and a Safety before the weekend is up. Can't possibly seeing them being comfortable with Cooper Taylor has their only back-up. And there are better RB options out there to back-up David Wilson.

Brown's going to be out-of-action for a while, and Scott has played well on special teams in the past.

There's no debate there. Preseason didn't matter with those two at all. Hey I like T2 but there was nothing to indicate yep let's keep him. You can try to swing it anyway you want but preseason for some of these guys didn't matter. Scott, LMAO.

I could be wrong but Herzlich is more than just good on special teams. He deserved to make the team - relative to the other LBs on the roster.

I'm scared of him seeing any playing time.

I'm scared of him seeing any playing time.

is currently the second best CB on the roster IMO. There is more to the preseason than the games. He showed a lot at practice. In fact, I thought he played well in the games minus the stumble he had on the long TD pass.

may be our starter week one

And he makes the team?

didnt make the rosters..

I expected Scott to make the team. He ran well the other night and he was good on specials last year blocking for Wilson until he got hurt...

Not surprised we are going with 5 WR considering the fact that #6 guy usually never dresses game day..

Not surprised Austin got cut..nor that they couldnt trade him for anything..

I expect Trattou over Tracy and Ojomo.. Ojomo's ability against third string talent late in games never impressed me..

You have to have someone who can play center if, God forbid, something happens to Boothe.

Scott looked just fine against the Pats and otherwise ran w/ the 3rd and 4th stringers. He's on the roster until they can find someone better.

T2? Seriously? That was a no brainer. You're going to judge him based on limmited pre-season games as he works his way back? I think his body of work earns him the benefit of the doubt.

...I'm with you. Very surprised Scott made it over Torrain.

I don't think Scott has much of a future with this team. I see the speed... but I don't see the running talent. He's a walking medicine cabinet, and he will be down with some ache or pain in a very short while.

Cordle is putrid, but keeping him (for now) instead of a guy who will very likely be PS available (if they even want him...) isn't some horrid move worth raising even an eyebrow at.

He played in live action for the first time in two years. It's all a guessing game.

doesnt mean he is staying on the team...

Who do you keep over Cordle? And why not assume he's going to be replaced if the right guy comes along. Every OL that was cut stunk as much if not more than Cordle.

for Ojomo. He's a one trick pony against the 4th team right now. Nowhere near as good as Trattou or Tracy.

Ramses Barden ‏@RamsesSHINES 38s
Not exactly how I would have drawn it up. Emotional day. Great organization. I will miss a lot of people. I Wish the NY Giants the best

Exactly. They don't know yet - but they do know what they had pre-injury and it was a pro-bowl caliber player - so, perhaps they should stick w/ him and let Fredericks go.

what the hell for ?? Does he have a picture of Jerry Reese humping a billy goat or something ?? How does this guy get so many lives ????

check out the link in the 6:11 post. It gives a great breakdown of who was given the boot and who remains on the roster.

wasn't something I expected.

But once again, he only plays one position and in 4 preseasons have shown he isn't very good at that one position. Shouldn't that be a sign for a change?

And no one can convince me about Scott over any running back. I would take any retired back over him.

...lives on at the East-West Shrine practice.

I just wish Jerry R. hadn't eaten that legend lock, stock and barrel.

Cost us a fucking second rounder.

Ramses Barden ‏@RamsesSHINES 1m
I am completely honored and thankful for my time and experience here in New York. I have become a man here.

great name, great guy.

Close to 50% of 2nd rounders don't do much in the NFL.

It was also more than the SR Bowl. At times, he showed excellent talent and NFL potential in college.

RT @RamsesSHINES I gave my time here everything I knew to give, yet I am responsible for my shortcomings. Often to fly one must be freed

May be a guessing game, but I'm guessing Giants made decisions on more info and better basis than anyone on BBI ... it's one thing to be surprised ... quite another to actually think anyone here actually knows better than the coaches

Fair enough - but I assume the Giants will be looking to get better at OL through waiver and free agents. Scott vs. Torrain? Does it really matter? Cox is more intriguing than either. I thought Scott looked fine against the Pats.

...I have to disagree with you there about Marvin Austin. I saw him a lot in college and this is what I wrote over a year ago:


M.S. : 6/20/2012 10:16 am

Time will tell... but I think right now that Marvin Austin is just NOT gonna do anything special for the Giants.

Do not like this young man's game.

In college, he flashed an occasional brilliant play mixed in with a heavy dosage of getting wired to an offensive lineman...

...wired as in his feet and legs stopping while he looked around the neighborhood to see what was going on.

I don't think he is long for the NFL.

I hope I'm 100% wrong.

when Brown goes on IR. (Or so it seems to me.)

then I feel better. I am also surprised at 5 LB's and 3 safeties.. but I expect that Damontre Moore will get some looks at LB and Thomas/Ross at safety as well..

you've proven time and time again you know much more than the professionals.

Keep at it, bro.

I was with the Giants on this one. I thought he looked like a future NFL stud.

DTs are the toughest position to project in the NFL. I thought his skills would work in the NFL.

He was also hurt a lot which didn't help. He looked much better this yr. It isn't over for him in the NFL.

Austin not working out should not be a knock on Reese. Every team picks guys in round 1-7 who don't stick.

then I feel better. I am also surprised at 5 LB's and 3 safeties.. but I expect that Damontre Moore will get some looks at LB and Thomas/Ross at safety as well..

It had to be the good showing he made against NE because the rest of the games he was pathetic. I thought Torain would have been a better choice as he seems like he's be a better blocker for pass protection. Very suprised by this and by keeping Painter.

I don't think we are seeing all the cuts yet. I think we will be active on the wavier wire.

...don't pretend that I do.

But I sure knew about Marvin Austin.

Makes perfect sense when you have Kiwi who can move there.

He stunk it up in all previous games. Fumbling the ball right off the bat in OT, LOL. Trying to justify Scott over Torain is a losing battle. You just have to chalk it up to one of things that you just shake your head at and move along.

thanks to Optimus's awesome site - I see he cant be put on the practice squad. I really think/hope Cordle will be updgraded before the season

w/knee injury

do you put a lot of stock in that?

like I said, keep at it... And try not to break that arm patting yourself on the back..

...no position in the NFL takes more will power than defensive tackle.

I didn't see that will power from someone who is obviously physically gifted.

into multiple threads isn't much better than Austin's game. We get the point.

lets make this thread about posters instead of the Giants!

...I agree.

I don't think Scott is long for this team.

...beware what you wish for....guy has lousy hands. If it happens it's more an indictment of the FO's failure to have adequate talent at the position.

I forgot about Kiwi.

...with Brown's leg injury one of Scott/Torrain had to make the 53. Still a good chance Scott goes if any kind of decent RB shakes loose in the near future.

JR made a mistake bringing this guy back

He looks very good catching the ball. No drops in preseason. Very difficult catch vs the Jets with the ball high and behind him. He snatched it clean and instantly turned up field to run. He looked like a WR on this play. 3 more vs NE. Looks good catching everything with his hands.

He also looks good running routes. Eats up yards fast. Can change directions, dip his shoulder and cut. He seems to adjust to the ball.

Zeke Mowatt dropped the ball on occasion early but developed. I don't know if its the number but he's got me thinking of Mowatt again.

wouldn't be at all surprised to see him out as the roster fluctuates in the early part of the season.

go back and watch some more ...you missed some plays.

if we have seen enough of Donnell to say he has bad hands. Only Pope would know that at this point. The Giants cannot have stud players at every position. You have to take risk somewhere, and taking risk at TE in this offense makes perfect sense. Finding a good two way TE is hard and those guys get paid. Martellus Bennett is a prime example. Would have been nice to keep him, but at what expense?

Despite the unknowns, I am pleased with the level of talent at TE. Myers will be a versatile weapon in the passing game, Donnell is a good developmental prospect who even if he only blocks well is an upgrade over Pascoe. If Robinson can even be an average NFL TE he adds another athletic body to the mix. As long as the Giants have three solid WRs, no need to spend big money on a big play TE.

when the defender is grabbing your legs and the ball is 10 ft in the air.

One had to stay as Nassib isn't ready to play by any kind of NFL standard. If RN progresses Painter could be released somewhere down the line.

Scott has better value on specials than Torain does.

but if there's one guy I trust on this staff about a position, its Pope and TEs. If he thinks a TE can play, I'm pretty confident he can play.

You typify the frustrated BBI poster on days like today. No actual facts, examples, logic, or reason to back things up, just statements. I think Pope and Reese know the TEs far a better than any of us.

100% agree, Pope has a proven track record.

you catch the ball in traffic and with some contact. I was really expecting Robinson to be much better by this time. Injury or not he was still far too inconsistent with many of his techniques.

I'll say this for Donnell I believe he'll be a very good blocker. That said he'd be one of the 5 worst starting TE's in the NFL if he gets that job.

was no pro-bowler either. But I would take him back in a heartbeat provided he was healthy. No use wringing your hands about a TE in this offense.

you know the reasons. All this has been discussed ad nauseum.

Our roster clearly has some areas of concern heading into the season. No surprise in the salary cap era. It isn't frustration to honestly evaluate your teams shortcomings.

Perhaps you prefer the ostrich method of burying your head in the sand in denial.

B/c nobody on this loaded DL got injured. Reese made sure that position was stacked and certainly is. Let's hope Fewell knows how to use them

Of course, then we havebthe other LOS . . . Yikes.

Didn't he lead the Packers in rushing last year?

...so let's not worry about that entire position. That's not very bright.

Not so sure you know who you are talking to, but that's ok. Been watching this team for decades.

Never one to play Ostrich, this team has some significant concerns, but TE is not really one of them, simply because the position is not all that important to the success of the offense.

Now if you want to talk LB, OL and DB depth, right there with you.

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is not a major concern. Not a focal point. Look at Gilbride's history with the position. Giants will be fine with the TEs they have.

....you come across as foolish imo.

I think you vastly under-rate what is in the TE cupboard (yes there is no pro-bowler there) and you over-state the importance of the position to this offense.

Has never been a focal point of this offense.

Not sure how we can argue TE isn't important. First thing that comes to mind w/ both recent super bowl runs is the impact of TEs in various games.

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our TE's down there

It isn't that TE is not important, it is that it is not a focal point of this offense. Giants have won superbowls with the likes of Ballard and Boss, both players are now without teams. You can twist my earlier comments any way you like to suit your argument but the point is TE has not bee a major role in this offense since the Shockey trade and 2013 will not be different. Nothing wrong with the Giants brain trust going with the four guys they have.

Would be the backup for Hyno.

one game in the 2011 playoff run that the TEs had an impact in.

That no one traded for Martin Austin. Not..,

You're right. Ballard's amazing 30 yard catch and then TD didn't help us beat NE at all in the regular season.

The TE is a major threat in the redzone, but you don't need a Rob Gronkowski to have an effective TE redzone threat. Robinson and Donnell are tailor made for that role. The TE is a role player in this system.

So the count down clock continues for the rest in this organization. I hope for the best and a super bowl.

Ballard's amazing play in the NE regular season game part of the 2011 run. Great game by him that day though. I do wish he was still here. Would have been cheap, good blocker and apparently good hands.

You want to hit JR for decisions on TEs? How about the fact we had Scott Chandler in camp in 2011.

Sorry, you said playoff run so I assume you mean playoffs. I'm referring to impact during the entire season.

Do they make the playoffs if they don't win that game?

dont think that will last long... Especially that Dwyer was cut by the Steelers..

I'm not questioning anybody on the TEs. It's clearly de-emphasized by the team due to salary demands at other positions. However, they brought in Bennett for a reason last year and he performed well enough that the Bears gave him a bigger contract. It's silly to think TE is not important to this offense. I'm pretty sure the front office & coaches are hoping they can find another diamond in the rough.

probably not, but I don't consider a super bowl run to originate in the mid-season. Maybe it's just me.

Doesn't matter, the point is Ballard was taken off the dust heap, this is how the Giants prefer to fill the TE position and it makes total sense in the salary cap era. No one is saying the TE doesn't matter, just that it is a lesser priority to the Giants. That much is undeniable.

Scott had a couple of nice drives against the Pats, but I thought, overall Torain was more consistant.

And with Brown out, thought TC would go with experience for pass blocking purposes.

I don't think you and I are that far apart really. Maybe you and I just have two different definitions of "importance." Not saying that a TE does not factor into the success of this offense, just that Eli and Gilbride have made it work with some no-names and journeymen. Barring getting lucky, this trend will continue for the Giants.

Maybe they told Torian to hang around then if Brown goes to temp IR they would sign him.

question. Does he play on all specials?

is carrying four tight ends unusual?

Many of us have been predicting it for weeks.

There are some talented available wr's available who can actually catch the ball and play special teams. Keeping him, to me is a head scratcher.

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I remember you mentioning it about 2-3 weeks ago. Not unusual at all. I think the 4 together comprise exactly what this team needs in its corps of TEs.

Special Teams. Torrain = fail.

think you nailed it. 3 & 4 RB has to bring something to the specials.

When u have depth issues @ OL & DB.

Wont last long - watch

The expense of carrying 4 TEs is addressed by carrying only 5 WRs. No impact on the OL, DB, or LB.

I agree, it's how they approach filling the position. With all the money locked up at other positions they have to find creative ways to restock the position. I'm questioning the concept that it is not emphasized in the offense. I'd be interested to see how Eli targets TEs relative to WRs/RBs in the passing game. Of course, I'm too lazy to find out.

because Jernigan is a slot receiver and Cruz is coming off this foot/heel injury thing and we don't know how he'll respond or if this will be a problem early in the season, or even throughout the season. So you need him around because he knows the offense and can contribute without putting Eli at risk for turnovers if he's running the wrong routes.

He also can return kicks and punts, which is a need. With Brown out, the Giants really shouldn't risk putting Wilson back there, so they are better off using Jernigan or Scott to do that job.

You make a sound point. While I agree with the Giant's brain trust that is not worth big money, I'm hoping Robinson/Donnell can become consistent redzone targets. I have visions of Robinson going up for the jump ball in the back of the endzone.

Douglas > Jerrel Jernigan.

issues at OL.

sent any potential contenders to Palookaville. The bottom third of those 75 players are never gonna be starters on any team. This last batch of cuts are as low key as you can get. So low key that only dogs can hear them.

sent any potential contenders to Palookaville. The bottom third of those 75 players are never gonna be starters on any team. This last batch of cuts are as low key as you can get. So low key that only dogs can hear them.

We do not gave depth issues at OL. We have quality issues. 9 OL is normal on the 53 with 2 normally not dressed.

Anyway TT can play OL in a pinch. :)

We have 9 DB which is normal so no depth issues there either. In 5 weeks we will have 10 unless one is cut. Meanwhile there will be a small dime instead of a big dime. Taylor will be inactive and is hurt anyway for now.

from NFL.com: " ... Carr had been a valuable asset to the QB room, but the Giants decided to go younger and cheaper.

The Giants also announced that wide receiver Ramses Barden was placed on injured reserve with a knee injury. Marvin Austin was the odd man out on the defensive line as the team declined to keep the third-year tackle."

Good riddance of Austin (IMHO); not sure that going with the "cheaper" Painter will pay off on the field if it (heaven forbid!) ever comes to that for more than a series or two.

Some were obvious, such as Myers, Brown and Jenkins.

But also Patterson, Connor, Ross, Mundy, Rivers. Anyone else I'm forgetting?

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That's 11 vet "low-budget" free agents who made the team

Thats what i meant - Quality depth.. not #'s

who were not there opening day last year

Does anyone know if he was cut or not?

in payscale between Carr and Painter - think Carr was $25K cheaper.

as per the other thread.

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Eric Anakim : 6:14 pm : Delete Can you update the BBI roster page? There's a lot to sort out

Seriously???

Please write the week 1 preview and I like my eggs over easy thanks

Keeping jernigan as the 2nd Slot receiver would make more sense if he could actually run the correct route and actually catch a ball. He's afraid to get hit, he muffs punts and he's slow. A waste of a spot in my opinion.

I guess Anak recognized that I need to be prodded to update the front page since I have a long history of not doing so.

the problem isn't that we sent anyone with much potential packing. It's that in many cases they were in legitimate contention with the ones we kept.

hold the butter, hold the lettuce, hold the mayo...

again...

summary. I'd rather not have to wait for the game to actually be played. Thanks.

Eric is a known slacker - I say pester the bastid until he yields

Does anyone have any info as to .whether this usual for the Giants and/or the other 31 teams.

I remember Mara and Reese saying in the off-season that changes would be made but IMO 40% turnover seems a little high.

turnover is fairly common.

Go back to last year and the end of the season, and what Coughlin said. The open question he asked, that he didn't have an answer for. He wanted to know what happened in Atlanta and Baltimore. When the Giants were in the heat of a race for the NFC East against the surging Redskins and the Giants were non-competitive. I think one of the biggest answers that came from that: The Giants were not hungry. They lost their edge.

Look at this roster. There are lots of veterans on this team who signed short term deals with things to prove:

Rogers, Patterson, Ross, Thomas, Mundy, Jenkins, Connor, Rivers, etc.

There are lots of guys that are looking at possibly their last chance in the league. Guys who are trying to prove they can still play. In the end, guys who should have an edge, a chip on their shoulder. Which is what the Giants need.

When you look at why they cut a 2nd rounder with potential/talent like Austin, but have shown nothing in favor of some old warhorses like Patterson and Rogers, guys coming off season ending injuries last year and towards the ends of their careers (and neither with a championship), this is more of what this Giants team needs.

The Giants do better when they are a team on a mission, with something to prove. The makeup of this team has more of those types of guys than last year's version did.

wanted to see him on the roster

my bad...I thought 30 was hurt. But no reports so he must be OK.

or maybe just give us a fucking list of who was cut? Anak has a point for once.

...you make a very good point. A lot of times this game comes down to will-power. That was missing down the stretch last season. And how!

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Giants.com - ( New Window )

Try reading the thread
It has been posted a number of times

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and were disappointments. Why wouldn't it have been motivation then?

Rogers - Saints
Ross - Jags

Teams where there was a dire need for production at their positions.

For every Giants fan that complains about a Barden or Austin, there is a Steelers and Bengals fan that complains about a Mundy and Rivers.

Patterson had major brain surgery and his salary cut upon his return with the Eagles.

If T2 can come back from his third ACL repair job and be productive then God bless him.

Connor had a better player in front of him.

And Jenkins wasn't signed to any small deal. They expect him to produce so I wouldn't put him in the same class of these guys.

Let's not con ourselves, this a cross fingers and your toes and hope for the very best situation because odds aren't on the Giants side.

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it's on the front page. It's been there for more than an hour.

it was posted almost immediately so what the fuck?

i think some people just prefer to see it all there without having to click. sometimes people dont read. they look at pictures and captions
Link - ( New Window )

I started a new thread on the front page update with a little yellow triangle sometime ago. One click.

a fucking beer, you lazy bastard.

I will KILL YOU!

I'm going to get myself a beer right now.

the text doesnt show up... so if you blow past the slider and the top 3 links looking for a list of players names, you dont see it. first article is garys interview... so if you're hasty and scroll right down the page looking for the 53 names, you dont see it and head over to the bitching room (here)

he wanted to click the BBI logo top left of the screen from the forum where he comes first anyway, then quicly scroll down, and see it. im just playing devils advocate here....

obviously the image silder did nothing for him.

the caption that said 53 cuts underneat didnt stand out.

the link to the story didnt stand out.

and the only excerpts of a story seemed old, the interview and the patriots recap, etc.

can't find the list of cuts to 53? Seriously?

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and then get back to work!

maybe hes asking for an edit button in the forum as has been brought up one or two times before so the 53 can be updated in the header of a stickied thread.

im already a few beers deep, so youll have to catch up

;)

but my interest is in why randy and anak or whoever couldnt or didnt see it. the links dont really stand out on the front page as ive mentioned and eric agrees with, and i do think its odd that the first "article" we can actually start to read is gary's interview. yes there is a slider and 3 links above that... some people are going to ignore it and go for quick glance at what looks like a 53 man roster that they think should be clearly there on the homepage. it isnt. a link to the story is in 2 places... yes. but it could be easier to miss than some people think.

Giants Reduce Roster to 53: The Giants have reduced their roster from 75 to 53 players.

As expected, due to his previously-announced drug suspension, the Giants placed S Will Hill on the Reserve/Suspended List. Hill will not be able to practice or play with the team for four weeks. Hill will be eligible to return to the active roster on September 30.

Also, as expected, the Giants placed DT Markus Kuhn (knee) on the Reserve/Physically-Unable-to-Perform (PUP) List. Kuhn was placed on the Active (preseason) PUP at the start of training camp. Kuhn is required to remain on the Reserve/PUP for at least six weeks.

WR Ramses Barden (knee) was placed on season-ending Injured Reserve.

The team also released the following 19 players:

QB David Carr (contract terminated)
RB Ryan Torain (contract terminated)
WR Kevin Hardy (waived)
WR Marcus Harris (waived)
WR Julian Talley (waived)
OL Selvish Capers (waived/injured)
OL Matt McCants (waived)
OL Stephen Goodin (waived)
OL Bryant Browning (waived)
OL Eric Herman (waived)
DE Adrian Tracy (waived)
DE Matt Broha (waived)
DE Adewale Ojomo (waived)
DT Marvin Austin (waived)
LB Kyle Bosworth (waived)
CB Charles James (waived)
CB Terrence Frederick (waived)
S Tyler Sash (waived with injury settlement)
S David Caldwell (waived)

Was fucking poetry.

CHEERS BBI put up your glass and here is to the 2013 season!

Geez, it's Sat night.

You don't need a fully updated website to function. Figure it out for yourselves :)

made the cut to 53. Also only 5 linebackers? Must be going 3 safety a lot this year.

Here are my thoughts.

Rogers and Rivers both were held back last year by injury. Rogers lasted one preseason game before he was lost for the year due to a blood clot. I'd think his mind was on more than football with that news. He got a new lease on life and now one more chance to play football.

If you go back to the Dallas opener last year, Rivers was one of the most active defensive players on the field....and then got hurt. He never really recovered after that. Thus far he's been very active, and physical. For him, this is also his last shot, and if he hopes for a big $ contract next year, really his last chance.

Jenkins got $3 million guaranteed money. A longer deal yes, but still just $3 million. In watching him at Green Bay and in Philly, Jenkins seemed to be a prideful guy, a hustler. I think the implosion in Philly's Dream Team would weigh on him, make him want to show he can still play and the problems there weren't on him.

I get what you saying, and maybe it will play out that way. But I see a lot of guys in this group who based on adversity have fought to make this roster and stay in the game, rather than guys who feel that they will get a roster spot thanks just to draft status. And those are the guys who stay hungry and are willing to get into a street fight to win games. Last years team, with Boley yukking it up on the sidelines as the season slipped away is what this team needs to get past going into 2013

He sucked filling in for Bass as a back up and had to be replaced,So how is he still on our team?

they need another center with Baas injured and Boothe the only backup. Maybe he will be replaced if someone else better is released.

Cordle is the only other guy who can play center.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

The 53 man roster is clearly identified at the top of the page in both the first-place on the slider and at the top of the News and Notes section.

why... is it because he has an injury they cant just release him.. why not give him an injury settlement and send him on his way???

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Give Eric a break fellas Giants2012 : 9:43 pm : Delete Geez, it's Sat night. You don't need a fully updated website to function. Figure it out for yourselves :)

Again, the website (front page, roster, depth chart, salaries page, roster analysis section, transactions section) were all updated within 40 minutes of the official announcement.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Eric.

settlement then he will be released. From his tweets he seem to suggest he wont be around long.

we have a lot of hungry players that made the roster at DL that had to fight for their careers. I think the fierce competition will make us more feisty up front.

Do you feel like a snowball?