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Andre Brown placed on IR/Designated to return

jlukes : 9/3/2013 2:06 pm
I do not like this move at all
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A safety  
oldutican : 9/3/2013 2:20 pm : link
You can live with inexperienced back-up RBs, but not with a safety who if forced to play due to injury can give up big plays.
They already cut Torain  
jeff57 : 9/3/2013 2:21 pm : link
.
I would have held the spot just in case we lost  
jlukes : 9/3/2013 2:22 pm : link
someone else at a more valuable position.
I don't like it either  
Jolly Blue Giant : 9/3/2013 2:22 pm : link
We will have injuries in the first few weeks and will be wishing we hadn't used it yet......
Well, I guess if someone else gets hit with an 8-10 week injury  
Giantology : 9/3/2013 2:24 pm : link
We'll have to carry their dead weight on the 53 man roster.
Not really  
pjcas18 : 9/3/2013 2:25 pm : link
it's 8 weeks out min. if the Giants lose someone THAT important in the next few weeks, and we're talking Eli, JPP, Beatty, maybe Rolle, they're probably not in contention 8 weeks later anyway to worry about it.

they need the roster spot now, so they can get to a later in the season and still have it be meaningful.
The team might hold the roster spot open  
Enoch : 9/3/2013 2:25 pm : link
until after week 1, so that they can sign a veteran without guaranteeing all of his salary.
old  
JOrthman : 9/3/2013 2:26 pm : link
I don't know if that statement is accurate given our offense, especially when your talking about blitz pick ups.
If you lose somebody else at a more important position  
Enoch : 9/3/2013 2:26 pm : link
that's why there are 7 gameday-inactive spots on the roster.
I agree with Enoch's post below  
Optimus-NY : 9/3/2013 2:29 pm : link
Quote:
The team might hold the roster spot open
Enoch : 2:25 pm
until after week 1, so that they can sign a veteran without guaranteeing all of his salary.
Can't hold roster spot open  
Killed the K-Gun : 9/3/2013 2:32 pm : link
I'm sure the NFLPA would have something to say about it.

It has to be in the CBA.
They can bring up someone from the PS  
PEEJ : 9/3/2013 2:34 pm : link
for a week
Enoch - so what happens if Rolle hurts his ankle and needs to miss  
jlukes : 9/3/2013 2:34 pm : link
a few weeks? Or something happens to Beatty or someone else?

Yes, they can be inactive, but not roster spot.
Not a big fan of this move...  
rptl530 : 9/3/2013 2:36 pm : link
considering whoever they sign to take Brown's place is a likely inactive anyway. I'd have rather roll the dice and save it.
Well, I don't think that's the best use of the short-term IR.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/3/2013 2:38 pm : link
Because we know somebody's going to get a broken bone or a sprained knee in the first month of the season, and they'll have to just bite the bullet then.

I guess they're thinking the pressure's on, the organization is tired of mediocre records and not making the playoffs, and they need to act with some urgency. Win now. Meaning not just this season, but NOW.
Roster flexibility...  
Optimus-NY : 9/3/2013 2:38 pm : link
Roster flexibility...
Jocularity  
PEEJ : 9/3/2013 2:43 pm : link
jocularity !
Dont like the move either... too soon, at a position NOT in real need  
GloryDayz : 9/3/2013 2:44 pm : link
If they're worried about Scott & Cox's inexperience, should have let Scott go and kept Torain, who had a decent pre-season.
ahem - started a thread on this - took plenty of flak!  
Del Shofner : 9/3/2013 2:44 pm : link
Predict Giants' move(s) between now and the Dallas game -
Del Shofner : 8/31/2013 7:03 pm

I predict only one this week, Andre Brown going to temp IR and a safety who was cut by another team today replacing him.
Can't have him eating a roster spot for approx 6 weeks  
Torrag : 9/3/2013 2:45 pm : link
The reality is we're probably going to need Brown down the line. We're thin at RB.

Scott doesn't crack this roster if Andre is healthy. That tells you what the team thinks about him.

Cox is still absorbing the playbook and adapting to the pro game.

Hyno just came off PUP himself.

They need an ace in the hole later on if this group struggles. I think it's the right move.
Brandon  
kkrAllstar : 9/3/2013 2:48 pm : link
Jacobs!
We  
AcidTest : 9/3/2013 2:48 pm : link
need the roster spot, especially at RB. He might be ready to help us as soon as week ten. Ideally, you'd like to wait until week four or five, but most things in life are not ideal.
...  
CGiants07 : 9/3/2013 2:57 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoNYDN 41m
... but I'v heard they've spoken to the agents of Ryan Grant, Kevin Smith, among others. A vet likely wouldn't be signed until Week 2. #NYG

Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoNYDN 30m
I was told not to rule out RB Tim Hightower at some point, either. Giants worked him out this spring. They don't bring in guys for no reason

they can hold the roster  
pjcas18 : 9/3/2013 2:58 pm : link
spot open, but if they have less than 53-men on the roster, certain people become "ineligible" for the PS.

This applies only if the Giants have someone on the PS for a 3rd season. I don't know if they do. Ojomo? Broha? Ryan Perilloux definitely wouldn't be eligible.
Not a huge fan of this move either  
jcn56 : 9/3/2013 2:58 pm : link
I like Andre Brown, but he just doesn't seem durable enough to justify a roster spot. Even though we're thin at RB, IMO it was better to cut him now and find a decent #2 via trade or waiver wire and save the temp IR designation.
So much for 4 - 6 weeks  
UberAlias : 9/3/2013 3:03 pm : link
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They have 3 rbs on the roster so it better be a S or LB  
njm : 9/3/2013 3:12 pm : link
I'm wondering about the health of Tyler Sash? If he were cleared to play would they bring him back? Being cold blooded about it, I don't think he has enough years of service to get him a whole year's salary if he is on the roster Week 1.
Brown is worth the roster spot  
mac attack : 9/3/2013 3:15 pm : link
He had an unfortunate injury an an inopportune time. He will be able to play by Week 6 so that gives him 2 extra weeks to rehab. The Giants don't cut guys loose because of an injury that can heal. They are classier than that.
Sash  
pjcas18 : 9/3/2013 3:15 pm : link
tweeted he'd be cleared this week and would then sign with another team.
Ballard  
mac attack : 9/3/2013 3:15 pm : link
was a similar situation, but his injury is still lingering around over a year later.
mac attack  
FJ : 9/3/2013 3:49 pm : link
Quote:
Brown is worth the roster spot
mac attack : 3:15 pm
He had an unfortunate injury an an inopportune time. He will be able to play by Week 6 so that gives him 2 extra weeks to rehab. The Giants don't cut guys loose because of an injury that can heal. They are classier than that.

The CBA prevents any team from cutting a player who's injured unless they reach a mutually agreeable settlement. It has nothing to do with the Giants having class. Besides, Brown can help them later in the year - why would they cut him?

Quote:
Ballard
mac attack : 3:15 pm
was a similar situation, but his injury is still lingering around over a year later.

Huh? Ballard had a serious, long-term injury and was placed on wiavers so that, if he cleared waivers, he could be put on season-ending IR and the Giants could retain his rights. Brown is not being placed on season-ending IR because the Giants may be able to use him later this year. These two cases are not even remotely similar.
mac attack,  
Curtis in VA : 9/3/2013 3:56 pm : link
Brown has had a number of unfortunate injuries at inopportune times.

If he stays on the roster, stay tuned because he is bound to have more.
pjacs - good pint  
Optimus-NY : 9/3/2013 4:22 pm : link
Fortunately, they don't have anyone on the PS for a 3rd year.
This could end up working in our favor  
RB^2 : 9/3/2013 4:25 pm : link
If Brown comes back healthy and has a great 2nd half & perhaps playoffs, some team may overpay for him in FA and we may get a decent comp pick.
NOT so fast  
pjcas18 : 9/3/2013 4:25 pm : link
Tom Rock ‏@TomRock_Newsday 1m

I'm told the Giants are not putting Andre Brown on short-term IR today (with an emphasis on the last word).
If Tom Rock is correct  
Jolly Blue Giant : 9/3/2013 4:29 pm : link
It makes no sense to place him on the temp IR until after game 1.
he says  
pjcas18 : 9/3/2013 4:30 pm : link
Tom Rock ‏@TomRock_Newsday 3m

They can make the move on Andre Brown at any time before Week 2 game and he'll miss the same amount of time.
You use the option now when it is most usefull.  
wgenesis123 : 9/3/2013 4:31 pm : link
All the what if's about later on don't make sense. Are you going to bite the bullet now so maybe you don't have to bite it later. If someone more important gets hurt later on you will want them back ASAP not in 8 weeks. Its easier to use up a roster spot for JPP or Prince or Eli than it is for Brown. Last year alot of teams tried to save it for a more important player and it did not get used. Its an option that is worthless if you don't use it.
I see  
pjcas18 : 9/3/2013 4:54 pm : link
because the Giants have a bye in week 9, they essentially don't have to make this decision until after week 1, so why make it before then with a single use designation.

still sounds like temporary IR for Brown, but won't happen until after week 1.
If in fact the Giants are waiting until after the next game  
81_Great_Dane : 9/3/2013 4:54 pm : link
to use their short-term IR designation, then I feel a lot better about the move. After Week 1 a bunch of guys will be dinged, somebody will get a ding bad enough to miss some time. Then they can see who they want to put on the shelf for a while.

The only price they pay is they wouldn't have the extra roster spot for Week 1, and unless they brought back a recent cut, it doesn't appear they could fill that spot in time to have a player practiced and ready to dress Sunday night anyway.
NFL LIVE AND NFL INSIDERS say  
Tark10 : 9/3/2013 5:28 pm : link
Brown is on temp. I.R. and will be eligible to return week 10 after the off week.
What  
AcidTest : 9/3/2013 5:57 pm : link
does anyone know about Ronnie Wingo, a RB from Arkansas on the Bills PS?

Link
I know BBI does not want to hear this,  
PatersonPlank : 9/3/2013 6:03 pm : link
but part of a professional athletes value to a team is his ability to stay on the field. For whatever reason some guys don't get hurt much, and some do, and I don't think it is complete luck. Perhaps its build, the way they play, their ability to play through pain (not an issue in Brown's case),etc. Even if you are the greatest player in the world, if you are exercise bike all day it doesn't help the team. I think Brown is entering this category.
BBI doesn't want to hear that staying on the field is important?  
vibe4giants : 9/3/2013 7:04 pm : link
And that Brown has been bad at it?

How did you manage to pick two of, perhaps, the only things that BBI universally agrees on to suggest as things BBI doesn't want to hear?
WTF?  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/3/2013 7:34 pm : link
This was the most blatantly obvious move ever. How could anyone have a problem with this?

I haven't read the whole thread but I hope the OP was being sarcastic.
It's use it or lose it  
Jerry in DC : 9/3/2013 7:41 pm : link
I don't see how this could possibly be a bad move. There are 4 options:

1) Cut him
2) IR him
3) Keep him on the roster
4) Do what they did

They don't want to cut him or IR him because they think he can contribute later in the year. So we're down to #3 or #4. The idea of "saving" the designated IR spot makes no sense. We freed up a roster spot by putting Brown on the temp IR. If somebody else gets a medium-term injury, we'll keep him on the roster. The net for roster spots is the same.

The only objections I could see is if you think he's going to be back much earlier than the temp IR spot allows for. Otherwise, this strikes me as wildly unobjectionable.
Jerry in DC...  
rptl530 : 9/3/2013 7:48 pm : link
who do the Giants sign in place of Brown? Brown would be inactive on gameday if kept on the 53, no? Is the guy they sign going to be active and if so in place of who(m)?

If they sign Dwyer (for instance) and make Scott inactive, just cut Scott and save the temp IR spot.
Makes perfect sense to do this next week  
Mike in Philly : 9/3/2013 8:24 pm : link
AB comes back in the same time frame, and a vet at any position can be signed without having to guarantee the contract for the full year, (assuming I read and understood all of Optimus' cap info correctly).
There is one difference if the Giants wait a week.  
Boy Cord : 9/3/2013 10:40 pm : link
It's one less week of practice that be could get under his belt.
Boy Cord  
FJ : 9/4/2013 9:32 am : link
It's also one extra week of healing.
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