it's 8 weeks out min. if the Giants lose someone THAT important in the next few weeks, and we're talking Eli, JPP, Beatty, maybe Rolle, they're probably not in contention 8 weeks later anyway to worry about it.
they need the roster spot now, so they can get to a later in the season and still have it be meaningful.
Because we know somebody's going to get a broken bone or a sprained knee in the first month of the season, and they'll have to just bite the bullet then.
I guess they're thinking the pressure's on, the organization is tired of mediocre records and not making the playoffs, and they need to act with some urgency. Win now. Meaning not just this season, but NOW.
need the roster spot, especially at RB. He might be ready to help us as soon as week ten. Ideally, you'd like to wait until week four or five, but most things in life are not ideal.
Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoNYDN 41m
... but I'v heard they've spoken to the agents of Ryan Grant, Kevin Smith, among others. A vet likely wouldn't be signed until Week 2. #NYG
Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoNYDN 30m
I was told not to rule out RB Tim Hightower at some point, either. Giants worked him out this spring. They don't bring in guys for no reason
spot open, but if they have less than 53-men on the roster, certain people become "ineligible" for the PS.
This applies only if the Giants have someone on the PS for a 3rd season. I don't know if they do. Ojomo? Broha? Ryan Perilloux definitely wouldn't be eligible.
I like Andre Brown, but he just doesn't seem durable enough to justify a roster spot. Even though we're thin at RB, IMO it was better to cut him now and find a decent #2 via trade or waiver wire and save the temp IR designation.
I'm wondering about the health of Tyler Sash? If he were cleared to play would they bring him back? Being cold blooded about it, I don't think he has enough years of service to get him a whole year's salary if he is on the roster Week 1.
He had an unfortunate injury an an inopportune time. He will be able to play by Week 6 so that gives him 2 extra weeks to rehab. The Giants don't cut guys loose because of an injury that can heal. They are classier than that.
Brown is worth the roster spot
mac attack : 3:15 pm
He had an unfortunate injury an an inopportune time. He will be able to play by Week 6 so that gives him 2 extra weeks to rehab. The Giants don't cut guys loose because of an injury that can heal. They are classier than that.
The CBA prevents any team from cutting a player who's injured unless they reach a mutually agreeable settlement. It has nothing to do with the Giants having class. Besides, Brown can help them later in the year - why would they cut him?
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mac attack : 3:15 pm
was a similar situation, but his injury is still lingering around over a year later.
Huh? Ballard had a serious, long-term injury and was placed on wiavers so that, if he cleared waivers, he could be put on season-ending IR and the Giants could retain his rights. Brown is not being placed on season-ending IR because the Giants may be able to use him later this year. These two cases are not even remotely similar.
All the what if's about later on don't make sense. Are you going to bite the bullet now so maybe you don't have to bite it later. If someone more important gets hurt later on you will want them back ASAP not in 8 weeks. Its easier to use up a roster spot for JPP or Prince or Eli than it is for Brown. Last year alot of teams tried to save it for a more important player and it did not get used. Its an option that is worthless if you don't use it.
because the Giants have a bye in week 9, they essentially don't have to make this decision until after week 1, so why make it before then with a single use designation.
still sounds like temporary IR for Brown, but won't happen until after week 1.
If in fact the Giants are waiting until after the next game
to use their short-term IR designation, then I feel a lot better about the move. After Week 1 a bunch of guys will be dinged, somebody will get a ding bad enough to miss some time. Then they can see who they want to put on the shelf for a while.
The only price they pay is they wouldn't have the extra roster spot for Week 1, and unless they brought back a recent cut, it doesn't appear they could fill that spot in time to have a player practiced and ready to dress Sunday night anyway.
but part of a professional athletes value to a team is his ability to stay on the field. For whatever reason some guys don't get hurt much, and some do, and I don't think it is complete luck. Perhaps its build, the way they play, their ability to play through pain (not an issue in Brown's case),etc. Even if you are the greatest player in the world, if you are exercise bike all day it doesn't help the team. I think Brown is entering this category.
BBI doesn't want to hear that staying on the field is important?
I don't see how this could possibly be a bad move. There are 4 options:
1) Cut him
2) IR him
3) Keep him on the roster
4) Do what they did
They don't want to cut him or IR him because they think he can contribute later in the year. So we're down to #3 or #4. The idea of "saving" the designated IR spot makes no sense. We freed up a roster spot by putting Brown on the temp IR. If somebody else gets a medium-term injury, we'll keep him on the roster. The net for roster spots is the same.
The only objections I could see is if you think he's going to be back much earlier than the temp IR spot allows for. Otherwise, this strikes me as wildly unobjectionable.
who do the Giants sign in place of Brown? Brown would be inactive on gameday if kept on the 53, no? Is the guy they sign going to be active and if so in place of who(m)?
If they sign Dwyer (for instance) and make Scott inactive, just cut Scott and save the temp IR spot.
AB comes back in the same time frame, and a vet at any position can be signed without having to guarantee the contract for the full year, (assuming I read and understood all of Optimus' cap info correctly).
There is one difference if the Giants wait a week.
they need the roster spot now, so they can get to a later in the season and still have it be meaningful.
Enoch : 2:25 pm
until after week 1, so that they can sign a veteran without guaranteeing all of his salary.
It has to be in the CBA.
Yes, they can be inactive, but not roster spot.
I guess they're thinking the pressure's on, the organization is tired of mediocre records and not making the playoffs, and they need to act with some urgency. Win now. Meaning not just this season, but NOW.
Del Shofner : 8/31/2013 7:03 pm
I predict only one this week, Andre Brown going to temp IR and a safety who was cut by another team today replacing him.
Scott doesn't crack this roster if Andre is healthy. That tells you what the team thinks about him.
Cox is still absorbing the playbook and adapting to the pro game.
Hyno just came off PUP himself.
They need an ace in the hole later on if this group struggles. I think it's the right move.
... but I'v heard they've spoken to the agents of Ryan Grant, Kevin Smith, among others. A vet likely wouldn't be signed until Week 2. #NYG
Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoNYDN 30m
I was told not to rule out RB Tim Hightower at some point, either. Giants worked him out this spring. They don't bring in guys for no reason
This applies only if the Giants have someone on the PS for a 3rd season. I don't know if they do. Ojomo? Broha? Ryan Perilloux definitely wouldn't be eligible.
mac attack : 3:15 pm
He had an unfortunate injury an an inopportune time. He will be able to play by Week 6 so that gives him 2 extra weeks to rehab. The Giants don't cut guys loose because of an injury that can heal. They are classier than that.
The CBA prevents any team from cutting a player who's injured unless they reach a mutually agreeable settlement. It has nothing to do with the Giants having class. Besides, Brown can help them later in the year - why would they cut him?
mac attack : 3:15 pm
was a similar situation, but his injury is still lingering around over a year later.
Huh? Ballard had a serious, long-term injury and was placed on wiavers so that, if he cleared waivers, he could be put on season-ending IR and the Giants could retain his rights. Brown is not being placed on season-ending IR because the Giants may be able to use him later this year. These two cases are not even remotely similar.
If he stays on the roster, stay tuned because he is bound to have more.
I'm told the Giants are not putting Andre Brown on short-term IR today (with an emphasis on the last word).
They can make the move on Andre Brown at any time before Week 2 game and he'll miss the same amount of time.
still sounds like temporary IR for Brown, but won't happen until after week 1.
The only price they pay is they wouldn't have the extra roster spot for Week 1, and unless they brought back a recent cut, it doesn't appear they could fill that spot in time to have a player practiced and ready to dress Sunday night anyway.
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How did you manage to pick two of, perhaps, the only things that BBI universally agrees on to suggest as things BBI doesn't want to hear?
I haven't read the whole thread but I hope the OP was being sarcastic.
1) Cut him
2) IR him
3) Keep him on the roster
4) Do what they did
They don't want to cut him or IR him because they think he can contribute later in the year. So we're down to #3 or #4. The idea of "saving" the designated IR spot makes no sense. We freed up a roster spot by putting Brown on the temp IR. If somebody else gets a medium-term injury, we'll keep him on the roster. The net for roster spots is the same.
The only objections I could see is if you think he's going to be back much earlier than the temp IR spot allows for. Otherwise, this strikes me as wildly unobjectionable.
If they sign Dwyer (for instance) and make Scott inactive, just cut Scott and save the temp IR spot.