And I'll assume many will think I'm crazy but that's fine.
Right now, Eli is younger and much healthier than Peyton was when Jim Irsay was faced with this decision. I see 6-8 more productive-to-highly productive seasons from Eli.
What Eli provides you with is a rare ability to play his best in the biggest moments. It comes naturally and that is an intangible quality seperate from talent.
As he ages he might not be able to pull off another season like 2011 where he put the team on his back, but if the roster remains competitive enough to make the playoffs, Eli will always be capable of stealing games late.
Can't do it. I've seen Eli come up huge in 2 Super Bowls. I love Andrew Luck's ability and think he'll be a tremendous player.. but until he wins it all, I just don't know. Eli has already been there and done that and if he gets into the playoffs, you know he can do it again... Luck is still an unknown.
it was a near certainty that Sam Bradford would end up better than Eli.
I'm convinced that there are a large portion of Giants fans that don't appreciate how rare it is to have a QB like Eli. They don't hate him, but they don't grasp what they've got either. It will hit them when he retires.
Newton was very good last year, too. People just didn't notice because a) he plays for an irrelevant team and b) they dismissed his ok first half of the year and didn't notice how well he played down the stretch.
I wouldn't have the guts to make this move. Luck is probably a better player factoring in annual salary, but he'll get a monster deal soon enough. Eli has come through countless times when it matters most and he's still young enough to play another 5-7 years.
The chances of manning winning a SB in the next four years are greater than Luck's. Luck looks like a winner and has his best oyears ahead of him if he reaches his potential etc., manning is a proven winner in his prime.
Eli is the best clutch Quarterback in the NFL right now. If the rest of the team can keep up, there is no reason why he can't bring home one or two more Lombardi's.
Speaking of Lombardi, Vince would never make that trade.
Luck is a young stud who will likely be the best QB of his generation. Eli is 30.
However, emotionally speaking this would be a trade that you could NOT make. It's like the proposed baseball trade from years back that had Joe D and Ted Williams switching teams. Even though it made sense you just shouldn't do it.
I expect Eli to be great for another 5 or so years. He's going to turn 33 at the end of this season.
I happen to think Luck has the potential to be one of the best. There's too much we don't know about him(how he performs in the big game, will he be able to stay healthy, etc...), but I personally think Luck will be great for 15 years.
We all love and appreciate Eli, but in the world of make believe, when you can trade a 33 year old QB for a 24 year old star in the making, you better consider it. I don't think that takes anything away from Eli or what Eli has done for the Giants, that's strictly an emotionless decision that you probably have to make.
it would have to be Luck and at least three #1 picks before I even consider it. But yeah, I get where you're going with this. Teams that get a franchise QB high in the draft don't have to take a massive cap hit like in years past. It's a 2-3 year window of extra room.
but because of the Dave Brown, Danny Kanell, Tommy Maddox, etc. era it makes me more likely to make this trade. thinking about life without eli is exactly why I do it.
The fear of getting to the end with Eli and having to "find" the next franchise QB would motivate me to do this now.
if you believe Luck is a franchise QB.
If you have doubts about Luck, you don't make the trade.
I was hanging out with a Redskins fan the other day(by far the most delusional of the fan bases that I have friends from) and a few of us were getting on RG3 and the Redskins. He asked if I would trade Eli for RG3 and I said hell no. Give me the sure thing for the next 5 years over a guy with 2 ACL's and a dangerous style of play.
Then he asked about Rodgers and Brees and I said no, but the only QB I'd consider is Andrew Luck.
1. 6-8 more good years for Eli? He's 33, so you are expecting him to play at a high level when he's 39-41? Peyton Manning is 37 years old right now.
2. Andrew Luck didn't have a "decent" rookie season. He was amazing and I think he will be a superstar in this league. I am very confident saying that too.
3. It's the world of make believe where you don't actually have to make a decision like this, but it says nothing about my appreciation for Eli Manning. Nothing.
4. Do not compare Newton to Luck. First off, Newton has been ok. I see a lot of problems with him. He's a very talented QB, but he's nowhere near as polished as Luck and his style of play is not conducive to a long career.
5. Brett said it well. It would be tough to make this trade if you are the Giants because of emotion, appreciation and history, but if you are starting a franchise right now, you start it will Luck.
The goal is to win Super Bowls. We've seen Eli elevate his game and outplay other great, almost certainly HOF bound, QB's in the postseason. Are you certain that Andrew Luck can do the same?
Because if he doesn't, what do the Giants gain besides a few extra years of solid regular season records?
for the laugh.
I understand the point of trading for future successes and possible SB wins w/Luck, but with some talent and maybe w/luck, we get our own with 'our own'.
Makes for good discussion though.
No, Id rather enjoy the best Giant Quarterback ever for all his tenure
fan do you make this trade of Luck for Ben Roethlisberger?
He's got 2 SB wins and in one of them, he elevated his game. and he's helped lead his team to 3 SB's. granted the D there is/was awesome, but same concept.
I think as Giants fans it's obviously harder to answer this question when Eli is involved.
so consider how non-Giants fans would answer this, I'm pretty sure the majority and a high majority make the trade if you can get Luck.
The lack of respect that Roethlisberger gets on bbi
and I view it as a compliment to Eli that Luck is the only young quarterback that I would consider.
Their relative ages make the decision for me. According to the linked study, the decline phase for a QB kicks in at around 32, which is what Eli is now. I think Eli is an aberration like his brother and will be solid for several more years, but there is no denying that age will play a factor in Eli's future performances.
Eli is fantastic and he has shown to be great in big moments, but I think Andrew Luck is an incredible talent who led 7 game-winning comeback drives as a rookie and was phenomenal in the Rose Bowl his senior season, and so I am willing to use those outcomes as an indication that Luck is cool under pressure.
There's just something about the Giants offense where I feel that Eli's talents are not maximized on a consistent basis. I think Eli is fantastic and great in big moments, but I can't understand why the Giants offense could stall more frequently than the offense of every other great QB in the league. (I don't blame this on Eli). http://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/age.htm - ( New Window )
Luck is so much younger, and Eli is in his 10th season.
it's a hard decision, but one I think you make.
Right now, Eli is younger and much healthier than Peyton was when Jim Irsay was faced with this decision. I see 6-8 more productive-to-highly productive seasons from Eli.
What Eli provides you with is a rare ability to play his best in the biggest moments. It comes naturally and that is an intangible quality seperate from talent.
As he ages he might not be able to pull off another season like 2011 where he put the team on his back, but if the roster remains competitive enough to make the playoffs, Eli will always be capable of stealing games late.
Man, this place drives me fucking nuts more often than not.
I'm convinced that there are a large portion of Giants fans that don't appreciate how rare it is to have a QB like Eli. They don't hate him, but they don't grasp what they've got either. It will hit them when he retires.
Newton looked real good his first year.....
It will be interesting to see how Luck, Wilson, RGIII and Kapernick do their second years....
Speaking of Lombardi, Vince would never make that trade.
However, emotionally speaking this would be a trade that you could NOT make. It's like the proposed baseball trade from years back that had Joe D and Ted Williams switching teams. Even though it made sense you just shouldn't do it.
I happen to think Luck has the potential to be one of the best. There's too much we don't know about him(how he performs in the big game, will he be able to stay healthy, etc...), but I personally think Luck will be great for 15 years.
We all love and appreciate Eli, but in the world of make believe, when you can trade a 33 year old QB for a 24 year old star in the making, you better consider it. I don't think that takes anything away from Eli or what Eli has done for the Giants, that's strictly an emotionless decision that you probably have to make.
all stats and no hardware.
The fear of getting to the end with Eli and having to "find" the next franchise QB would motivate me to do this now.
if you believe Luck is a franchise QB.
If you have doubts about Luck, you don't make the trade.
Can't have emotion in this game.
Then he asked about Rodgers and Brees and I said no, but the only QB I'd consider is Andrew Luck.
1. 6-8 more good years for Eli? He's 33, so you are expecting him to play at a high level when he's 39-41? Peyton Manning is 37 years old right now.
2. Andrew Luck didn't have a "decent" rookie season. He was amazing and I think he will be a superstar in this league. I am very confident saying that too.
3. It's the world of make believe where you don't actually have to make a decision like this, but it says nothing about my appreciation for Eli Manning. Nothing.
4. Do not compare Newton to Luck. First off, Newton has been ok. I see a lot of problems with him. He's a very talented QB, but he's nowhere near as polished as Luck and his style of play is not conducive to a long career.
5. Brett said it well. It would be tough to make this trade if you are the Giants because of emotion, appreciation and history, but if you are starting a franchise right now, you start it will Luck.
Because if he doesn't, what do the Giants gain besides a few extra years of solid regular season records?
I understand the point of trading for future successes and possible SB wins w/Luck, but with some talent and maybe w/luck, we get our own with 'our own'.
Makes for good discussion though.
He's got 2 SB wins and in one of them, he elevated his game. and he's helped lead his team to 3 SB's. granted the D there is/was awesome, but same concept.
I think as Giants fans it's obviously harder to answer this question when Eli is involved.
so consider how non-Giants fans would answer this, I'm pretty sure the majority and a high majority make the trade if you can get Luck.
Ben is an excellent QB though.
As a fan, I roll with Eli, for life. He's EARNED it. He's the greatest Giants QB ever.
just asking.
it's just laundry.
Eli has two championships. You know he can do it. Do you roll the dice on the potential 3rd championship on the unknown?
John Elway won two Superbowls at age 37 and 38. You sacrifice those if you trade him when he's 33 for a sensational rookie.
Their relative ages make the decision for me. According to the linked study, the decline phase for a QB kicks in at around 32, which is what Eli is now. I think Eli is an aberration like his brother and will be solid for several more years, but there is no denying that age will play a factor in Eli's future performances.
Eli is fantastic and he has shown to be great in big moments, but I think Andrew Luck is an incredible talent who led 7 game-winning comeback drives as a rookie and was phenomenal in the Rose Bowl his senior season, and so I am willing to use those outcomes as an indication that Luck is cool under pressure.
There's just something about the Giants offense where I feel that Eli's talents are not maximized on a consistent basis. I think Eli is fantastic and great in big moments, but I can't understand why the Giants offense could stall more frequently than the offense of every other great QB in the league. (I don't blame this on Eli).
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/age.htm - ( New Window )