Scroll down this list of all modern era Superbowl participant QB's and look at all of the names that were 33 or older when the appeared in or won a single (or multiple) Superbowls.
You don't think Ben gets less respect because he's a rapist? I think that definitely plays into it. If Ben had the persona of Andrew Luck, I think he'd probably be much more respected.
Not saying it's fair. Just saying I think it's true.
Cam Newton had some abysmal performances last season... Â
differance and the Giants would be set at QB for atleast 10 years. That being said my answer is NO. Eli is the Giants now and that would be like getting a heart transplant when you did not need one but a younger heart was available.
I read back what I wrote and I wonder how I got a college degree. What I meant.....
Who do you think has more success from this point on til the end of their careers. Luck will likely have 13-15 more seasons and Eli 5-6. From 2013 game 1 until the end of their respective careers?
I would take Eli because he's mastered the system he’s in. He’s a proven winner who has known one system, one OC and one HC as a pro. That combination and winning 2 SB makes him untradeable as long as he has productive years ahead of him. This question is different that asking who has the greater overall talent or potential: Luck or Eli. Most in the NFL would say Luck. This has to do with the best man for your system.
I would venture to say if Reece had the chance to trade Eli for: Brady or Brees or Rodgers he would not do it. Not because he thinks Eli is better than those QBs, but he’d have to bring one of them in along with their system and their coaches to have a chance to duplicate what he already has.
Basically, there are no guarantees. The Giants could stink this year if Eli has a bad year or if he has a good year but the talent around him proves to be insufficient or gets injured. Same could be said for Luck. But with solid talent and no key injuries, the chances are better for a championship with Eli, having a good year, in a system he has been in all his pro career than Luck or another QB being placed in that same system.
There are going to be other great QB's in the future. There may have been multiple others in the draft where Luck was taken. I don't think it's worth the risk to give up the bird in the hand.
Because we KNOW what Eli can be in a big spot, I have to go with the remainder of Eli's career. Until I see otherwise, I think Eli has a better chance of winning a Super Bowl in the next 5 years than Luck does in 13.
It's nothing against Luck. I'd take Eli over Peyton's career too. It's about the titles for me.
Eli has been in the league 10 years. We've got five more if we're lucky with him. Luck is in his sophomore year. This is a non starter. The greater good of the entire team is all I'm interested, and the longer the term the better IMHO.
The Colts would have some interest since Eli is a Manning who won a Lombardi in Indy. They still wouldn't do it though. The owner would get sober before that trade went through.
This is the type of move the football gods frown upon... Â
that are discussed often among football fans. We all have friends of other teams, is this not a topic that's come up a number of times?? This always comes up in my group of friends.
to make it to the Super Bowl this year. The AFC doesn't seem so tough this year. Doubt he can win it though, this will be an NFC year to hoist the Lombardi.
that Eli is a terrible fit in this system. He's such a great talent that he has success and in the big spots when it's less about system and more about guts and instincts, Eli is at his best.
I can't dissect the X's and O's the way Dorgan or Anish could as to the reasons why, but I can't think of another QB in the league as good as Eli who has so many terrible results.
My guess is because the system gives the receivers too much poewr to make decisions and reads and leads to more opportunities to be on a different page than the QB. But that is just a hunch.
So, because I don't think we have a great QB-scheme fit (just a great QB), I'm not concerned with bringing along someone like Luck.
kmed, hard to say because those guys have all won championships... Â
I saw all I needed to see last year to believe that he's the goods. Obviously there is a risk there because there is more for him to do, but I think Luck is the real deal.
And that's why this thing is a big, hypothetical mess... Â
winning Super Bowls is an overrated way to evaluate a QB. I would still take plenty of quarterbacks over Joe Flacco. QBs will have the most influence on a game, but it will always be a team result first.
I think Eli is great and I have a ton of respect for him. I don't know the entire Giants history back into the olden days to see YA Tittle or some of the other legends, but I'm comfortable saying he's the best QB they Giants have had in my lifetime.
That being said, when I feel he can be replaced or upgraded I'll make that decision.
I don't think it's disrespectful to Eli at all to feel like I could better my team for the long term by getting younger (and cheaper today) at the QB position.
but I think it's a good measure when your QB is the last one to have the ball and you need to go the distance of the field in 2 minutes or so and score a TD.
There isn't much more pressure than that. Eli's done it, twice.
I'm not sure people here have Eli in the correct historical context...and not just within the context of the franchise.
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if I had to guess.
Not saying it's fair. Just saying I think it's true.
Who do you think has more success from this point on til the end of their careers. Luck will likely have 13-15 more seasons and Eli 5-6. From 2013 game 1 until the end of their respective careers?
I would venture to say if Reece had the chance to trade Eli for: Brady or Brees or Rodgers he would not do it. Not because he thinks Eli is better than those QBs, but he’d have to bring one of them in along with their system and their coaches to have a chance to duplicate what he already has.
Basically, there are no guarantees. The Giants could stink this year if Eli has a bad year or if he has a good year but the talent around him proves to be insufficient or gets injured. Same could be said for Luck. But with solid talent and no key injuries, the chances are better for a championship with Eli, having a good year, in a system he has been in all his pro career than Luck or another QB being placed in that same system.
It's nothing against Luck. I'd take Eli over Peyton's career too. It's about the titles for me.
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of Eli winning a 3rd Super Bowl are probably less then Luck winning one.
if I had to guess.
I don't know how you could quantify that.
I'll stick with Eli and take my chances with the draft in a few years or whatever other options become possible.
If you were a Denver fan in 1993 you probably would have considered it with Elway, too, but look what you would have missed out on.
someone probably would find a way to quantify it if there were people willing to bet on it.
I can't dissect the X's and O's the way Dorgan or Anish could as to the reasons why, but I can't think of another QB in the league as good as Eli who has so many terrible results.
My guess is because the system gives the receivers too much poewr to make decisions and reads and leads to more opportunities to be on a different page than the QB. But that is just a hunch.
So, because I don't think we have a great QB-scheme fit (just a great QB), I'm not concerned with bringing along someone like Luck.
Kind of an exercise in futility if you ask me, but I understand it's just a discussion.
That's what we know right now. Eli's done it. Luck, at this point, has yet to.
That being said, when I feel he can be replaced or upgraded I'll make that decision.
I don't think it's disrespectful to Eli at all to feel like I could better my team for the long term by getting younger (and cheaper today) at the QB position.
There isn't much more pressure than that. Eli's done it, twice.