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Would you swap Eli for Luck right now?

Spark Em Up 22 : 9/5/2013 11:43 am
Factoring in age and contract/salary going forward

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It's not just laundry  
Go Terps : 9/5/2013 12:38 pm : link
when we're talking about a two time SB MVP that twice took the field in the Super Bowl down with a couple minutes left and walkers off it a champion.

I'm not sure people here have Eli in the correct historical context...and not just within the context of the franchise.

Oops  
Go Terps : 9/5/2013 12:40 pm : link
walked off it...
Britt, Eli is 32 though, will be 33 before the season is over.  
kmed : 9/5/2013 12:40 pm : link
I don't believe he is mid career. He is in the 10th season and probably has about 5 more left.
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arcarsenal : 9/5/2013 12:41 pm : link
I'm just pointing out why Ben is easier to dislike. I didn't say anything about whether I'd trade or not trade him.
Well said Paul,  
kmed : 9/5/2013 12:42 pm : link
it's a compliment to Eli when I say Luck is the only QB I'd trade Eli for. Luck will be that good and is in year 2.
Who said anything about liking Ben?  
kmed : 9/5/2013 12:42 pm : link
Dislike and disrespect are two completely different things and I was referring to Ben the football player, not person.
I'd make the swap except  
mrvax : 9/5/2013 12:42 pm : link
I couldn't as a NY Giants fan. Too loyal to Eli to seriously consider it. It makes sense on paper for sure but I could not do it.
The odds are against Luck having Eli's success long term  
Go Terps : 9/5/2013 12:43 pm : link
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Eli is 33  
Britt in VA : 9/5/2013 12:43 pm : link
Scroll down this list of all modern era Superbowl participant QB's and look at all of the names that were 33 or older when the appeared in or won a single (or multiple) Superbowls.

Link - ( New Window )
Do you think the odds are low that Luck doesn't have Eli's success  
kmed : 9/5/2013 12:43 pm : link
over the next 5 years compared to the rest of Lucks career?
The odds  
pjcas18 : 9/5/2013 12:44 pm : link
of Eli winning a 3rd Super Bowl are probably less then Luck winning one.

if I had to guess.
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arcarsenal : 9/5/2013 12:44 pm : link
You don't think Ben gets less respect because he's a rapist? I think that definitely plays into it. If Ben had the persona of Andrew Luck, I think he'd probably be much more respected.

Not saying it's fair. Just saying I think it's true.
Cam Newton had some abysmal performances last season...  
Matt G : 9/5/2013 12:45 pm : link
He played better down the stretch but at that point their season was already in the cr*pper (2-8)...
Sentimental Ira says no.  
Ira : 9/5/2013 12:45 pm : link
Practical Ira says yes.
I am referring to football.  
kmed : 9/5/2013 12:45 pm : link
Big Ben gets disrespected as a football player.
kmed  
Go Terps : 9/5/2013 12:45 pm : link
I think it's unlikely Luck's next 5 years are as good as Eli's, or that his entire career is as good as Eli's.
That might be the smart thing to do considering the age  
wgenesis123 : 9/5/2013 12:45 pm : link
differance and the Giants would be set at QB for atleast 10 years. That being said my answer is NO. Eli is the Giants now and that would be like getting a heart transplant when you did not need one but a younger heart was available.
No.  
CT Charlie : 9/5/2013 12:46 pm : link
We don't yet know how durable Luck is, and we don't yet know how he handles big-game crunch-time pressure.

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arcarsenal : 9/5/2013 12:46 pm : link
I'm aware that you're referring to football.. people let their personal opinions bias their football opinions. Everyone knows that.
Go Terps,  
kmed : 9/5/2013 12:47 pm : link
I read back what I wrote and I wonder how I got a college degree. What I meant.....

Who do you think has more success from this point on til the end of their careers. Luck will likely have 13-15 more seasons and Eli 5-6. From 2013 game 1 until the end of their respective careers?
Fisrt off, great question  
Tony in Tampa : 9/5/2013 12:49 pm : link
I would take Eli because he's mastered the system he’s in. He’s a proven winner who has known one system, one OC and one HC as a pro. That combination and winning 2 SB makes him untradeable as long as he has productive years ahead of him. This question is different that asking who has the greater overall talent or potential: Luck or Eli. Most in the NFL would say Luck. This has to do with the best man for your system.

I would venture to say if Reece had the chance to trade Eli for: Brady or Brees or Rodgers he would not do it. Not because he thinks Eli is better than those QBs, but he’d have to bring one of them in along with their system and their coaches to have a chance to duplicate what he already has.

Basically, there are no guarantees. The Giants could stink this year if Eli has a bad year or if he has a good year but the talent around him proves to be insufficient or gets injured. Same could be said for Luck. But with solid talent and no key injuries, the chances are better for a championship with Eli, having a good year, in a system he has been in all his pro career than Luck or another QB being placed in that same system.
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Joe in Cambridge : 9/5/2013 12:50 pm : link
There are going to be other great QB's in the future. There may have been multiple others in the draft where Luck was taken. I don't think it's worth the risk to give up the bird in the hand.
kmed  
Go Terps : 9/5/2013 12:51 pm : link
Because we KNOW what Eli can be in a big spot, I have to go with the remainder of Eli's career. Until I see otherwise, I think Eli has a better chance of winning a Super Bowl in the next 5 years than Luck does in 13.

It's nothing against Luck. I'd take Eli over Peyton's career too. It's about the titles for me.
I would. Absolutely.  
rnargi : 9/5/2013 12:51 pm : link
Eli has been in the league 10 years. We've got five more if we're lucky with him. Luck is in his sophomore year. This is a non starter. The greater good of the entire team is all I'm interested, and the longer the term the better IMHO.
Of course you do it  
Jerry in DC : 9/5/2013 12:51 pm : link
It's not even close. The actual trade would be more like Eli + 3 1st rounders for Luck. And even then the Colts wouldn't do it.
Who sets these odds and what are they based on exactly?  
Britt in VA : 9/5/2013 12:52 pm : link
Quote:
The odds
pjcas18 : 12:44 pm
of Eli winning a 3rd Super Bowl are probably less then Luck winning one.

if I had to guess.


I don't know how you could quantify that.
I'll take Eli over Peyton too,  
kmed : 9/5/2013 12:52 pm : link
but I disagree about Luck. If I was a gambling man, I'd take Luck. He's a very, very special talent. He's the only guy I'd do this for.
Jerry  
wgenesis123 : 9/5/2013 12:55 pm : link
The Colts would have some interest since Eli is a Manning who won a Lombardi in Indy. They still wouldn't do it though. The owner would get sober before that trade went through.
This is the type of move the football gods frown upon...  
Britt in VA : 9/5/2013 12:55 pm : link
Eli would likely go on to win 2 more championships with another team and Luck would end up with a broken neck on the Giants.
Britt, before that....  
kmed : 9/5/2013 12:56 pm : link
This is the type of move that will never happen in the NFL. Not in the next 500 years.
Well I knew that before I opened the thread.  
Britt in VA : 9/5/2013 12:57 pm : link
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It's just one of those topics  
kmed : 9/5/2013 12:58 pm : link
that are discussed often among football fans. We all have friends of other teams, is this not a topic that's come up a number of times?? This always comes up in my group of friends.
Luck is the new shiny in the league right now.  
Curtis in VA : 9/5/2013 12:59 pm : link
I already have a championship QB on the roster. No way would I trade him for someone else. It will take 5 years just for Luck to learn this offense.

I'll stick with Eli and take my chances with the draft in a few years or whatever other options become possible.

I am discussing it....  
Britt in VA : 9/5/2013 1:00 pm : link
I think my point about the list of Superbowl winning and participating QB's ages is a pertinent one.

If you were a Denver fan in 1993 you probably would have considered it with Elway, too, but look what you would have missed out on.
I don't know about the odds but I think Luck has a good chance  
wgenesis123 : 9/5/2013 1:01 pm : link
to make it to the Super Bowl this year. The AFC doesn't seem so tough this year. Doubt he can win it though, this will be an NFC year to hoist the Lombardi.
Britt  
pjcas18 : 9/5/2013 1:02 pm : link
I don't know, it's just my guess.

someone probably would find a way to quantify it if there were people willing to bet on it.
Meanwhile...  
Britt in VA : 9/5/2013 1:05 pm : link
Eli Manning is wondering "what do I have to do to get some respect around here" :)
Is denver trading for a young Tom Brady? Peyton Manning?  
kmed : 9/5/2013 1:06 pm : link
Aaron Rodgers?
I actually think  
PaulBlakeTSU : 9/5/2013 1:08 pm : link
that Eli is a terrible fit in this system. He's such a great talent that he has success and in the big spots when it's less about system and more about guts and instincts, Eli is at his best.

I can't dissect the X's and O's the way Dorgan or Anish could as to the reasons why, but I can't think of another QB in the league as good as Eli who has so many terrible results.

My guess is because the system gives the receivers too much poewr to make decisions and reads and leads to more opportunities to be on a different page than the QB. But that is just a hunch.

So, because I don't think we have a great QB-scheme fit (just a great QB), I'm not concerned with bringing along someone like Luck.
kmed, hard to say because those guys have all won championships...  
Britt in VA : 9/5/2013 1:09 pm : link
and we know they have. Luck, despite a great rookie season, is still an unknown.
Britt, I don't think he's an unkown.  
kmed : 9/5/2013 1:10 pm : link
I saw all I needed to see last year to believe that he's the goods. Obviously there is a risk there because there is more for him to do, but I think Luck is the real deal.
And that's why this thing is a big, hypothetical mess...  
Britt in VA : 9/5/2013 1:10 pm : link
because you could argue both sides endlessly and there still won't be a right answer.

Kind of an exercise in futility if you ask me, but I understand it's just a discussion.
I think Luck  
kmed : 9/5/2013 1:10 pm : link
will be that good. He will be this generations Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees.
No doubt Britt,  
kmed : 9/5/2013 1:11 pm : link
just one of those things fans discuss.
You "think" Luck will be that good.  
Britt in VA : 9/5/2013 1:11 pm : link
you "know" Eli is that good.

That's what we know right now. Eli's done it. Luck, at this point, has yet to.
I think  
PaulBlakeTSU : 9/5/2013 1:12 pm : link
winning Super Bowls is an overrated way to evaluate a QB. I would still take plenty of quarterbacks over Joe Flacco. QBs will have the most influence on a game, but it will always be a team result first.
It has nothing to do with respect  
pjcas18 : 9/5/2013 1:12 pm : link
I think Eli is great and I have a ton of respect for him. I don't know the entire Giants history back into the olden days to see YA Tittle or some of the other legends, but I'm comfortable saying he's the best QB they Giants have had in my lifetime.

That being said, when I feel he can be replaced or upgraded I'll make that decision.

I don't think it's disrespectful to Eli at all to feel like I could better my team for the long term by getting younger (and cheaper today) at the QB position.


And Eli has four good years left in him, IMO.  
Britt in VA : 9/5/2013 1:13 pm : link
He's smack dab in the middle of his prime. Tough to come off him, I think he has another one in him if we can put the defense together.
Yes, obviously that plays a role  
kmed : 9/5/2013 1:13 pm : link
which is why Luck is the only QB in the NFL that I'd trade Eli for.
Paul Blake, perhaps....  
Britt in VA : 9/5/2013 1:14 pm : link
but I think it's a good measure when your QB is the last one to have the ball and you need to go the distance of the field in 2 minutes or so and score a TD.

There isn't much more pressure than that. Eli's done it, twice.
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