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BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/6/2013 9:04 am
The same way we beat the Bills in the Superbowl, and Saints beat the Colts in the Superbowl. You have to succeed the run on defense and grind it out and eat-up the run on offense.

When you allow Peyton's offense to run the ball, it takes the ball out of Peyton's hands and grinds the clock out on the other end as well and does not allow him to get into a groove on offense. I think we could win in a shoot out as well, but its not the best strategy when you go up against a hot handed Peyton Manning.

Slim chance that Coughlin/Fewell will even think this way, but honestly its the best way to throw Peyton off his game. Belichick is a genius by the way for employing this type of game-plan back against the Bills in the Super-Bowl.
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you can keep making that excuse  
Greg from LI : 9/6/2013 9:39 am : link
But even in this era, the Giants defense is the shortest midget. Even when ranked against their contemporaries, they're pathetic.
Denver 777  
SanFranGiantsFan : 9/6/2013 9:41 am : link
Giants 0. At half.

Play 4 quarters like the Ravens played in the first quarter.  
wgenesis123 : 9/6/2013 9:41 am : link
The Broncos got stronger as the game progressed and the defense seemed to play better with a lead. Perhaps that thin air in the opener was bad news for the Ravens. Giants are at home so let the fans be loud.
Denver's defense was pretty damn good last night  
Kyle : 9/6/2013 9:42 am : link
Without one of the top players in the NFL in Von Miller rushing the passer, they shut down the Ravens offense.

Flacco needed 62 attempts to get his ~350 yards. That's terrible.

I won't say they made Flacco look like shit, because I think Flacco is more than capable of making himself look like shit.
Add little people to the list....  
Cam in MO : 9/6/2013 9:43 am : link
arcarsenal : 9/6/2013 9:44 am : link
The Giants defense is only the worst if you only care about yards and completely discount every other thing.. which is.. stupid (for lack of a better word).. but if you want to measure everything on yards and nothing else, I guess I can't stop ya.

56 is right. It's just not a defensive league anymore. Teams give up a lot of yards and a lot of plays. Some people will hate it.. but it's reality.
arcarsenal : 9/6/2013 9:45 am : link
Denver's defense was able to turn it up as soon as they took a significant lead. If you can get them away from Rice and their short game, you make them one dimensional and then you can just tee off on Flacco. You know they're throwing on almost every down.
Joey from GlenCove : 9/6/2013 9:45 am : link
They are a great team with a top 3 qb of all time. Baring a lot of injures they are going to easily win 14 games in a shitty AFC

On both sides of the ball you can argue they may have the best squad. The case will more difficult to make on the D but still they do have a top 5 D.


I think this is a great topic...  
Dan in the Springs : 9/6/2013 9:53 am : link
in light of last night's game.

Clearly, the defense will need to do better than Baltimore did last night. However the key, imho, is to have long drives on offense that result in TD's. We need to limit their possessions.

If we can keep Peyton to 4 or less possessions per half, and we score TD's, we can win this game.

We will probably need to score around 24 points minimum to win though, so let's hope that our offense is clicking by then.

dep026 : 9/6/2013 9:55 am : link
the only other stat you need to put in there is 3rd down conversion rate. Thats a pretty important one, and one the defense needs to improve upon.
Big Blue '56,  
Curtis in VA : 9/6/2013 9:57 am : link
its not so much about being a sorry defense, its about being one of the sorriest defenses among 31 other sorry defenses.
arcarsenal : 9/6/2013 9:57 am : link
The Giants just really aren't a ball control offense.. so I don't know if I see that happening. We need to sustain drives but our offense tries to get down field and we're not really the type of team that grinds defenses on the ground and short range.
arcarsenal : 9/6/2013 9:58 am : link
dep.. I 100% agree with that. The Giants were 1st in the entire league in 3rd down defense in 2010. They were much worse last year. That has to change.

In any event.. the 2012 Giants defense is over. We can talk about how bad they were until we're blue in the face. The 2013 Giants defense does not = the 2012 team. We haven't even played a game yet and we're talking about how awful our defense is. How do we know?
FBO measured year-to-year performance on 3rd Down... there's no  
Kyle : 9/6/2013 9:59 am : link
consistency year-to-year.
Because why should they get the benefit of the doubt?  
Greg from LI : 9/6/2013 10:03 am : link
Since Fewell's been hired the defense has mostly been in the bottom half of the league. The DE position is weaker than it's been in many years, and while the DT position should be improved much rests on the health of two aging players (Jenkins and Rogers) who have had a lot of trouble staying on the field.. The linebackers are arguably the worst group in football. The secondary is thin.
Matt G : 9/6/2013 10:07 am : link
I'm not challenging the fact that DEN will win a lot of games, nor that Peyton is a top 3 all-time QB, nor that the AFC stinks... But it's huge stretch to suggest that they will "easily win 14 games" and it would somehow be an "upset if they don't win the SB"... Most people would take the other side of that bet all day long... How many teams have even won 14 regular season games in the last decade? Six? As great as Peyton Manning is, what's his playoff record? How many SBs has he won?

Probability is not in your favor...
On paper, the Giants would seem to have the offensive weapons  
UberAlias : 9/6/2013 10:08 am : link
to be capable of looking like that. That said, in reality, I have a very hard time seeing the Giants offense look that good against a Ravens defense. I realize Ravens lost some guys on D, but they also added Canty, who has looked very good for them, and Elvis D. to go along with guys like Nagta and Suggs. It's not like Peyton didn't miss from time to time, but guys were getting open all over the place and he kept hitting them. I'd love to see that in our offense, but remain skeptical. I'm just not expecting too many shows like that against talented defenses.
We have to  
Jerry in DC : 9/6/2013 10:09 am : link
1) Score a lot of points
2) Win high-leverage plays on defense -- 3rd downs, turnovers, red zone

That's what you have to do to beat a team with an elite offense. It's very difficult to shut them down.
arcarsenal : 9/6/2013 10:10 am : link
Jenkins has trouble staying on the field? That's news to me. He's missed 5 total games in the past 4 seasons.

There are a billion variables. If you just want to assume the Giants defense is going to be the worst in the league, go ahead. I think the odds are probably against that.

And I don't really see how the DE's are so weak. We have one of the best DE's in the league. Moore showed a ton of promise in preseason and if Tuck can just be anything resembling himself again, we've got more talent at that position than the average team.

The DT depth should be excellent. I think the DL is going to be much stronger than last year.
actually he's missed 17 games in the past five seasons  
Greg from LI : 9/6/2013 10:17 am : link
But he's played all 32 over the last two, so I overstated that. I remember him being banged up a lot with the Packers and just assumed that continued during his two years in Philly.

DE - JPP is coming off a good but not great season and back surgery, so plenty of reason to be measured in expectations towards him. Tuck has looked completely washed up for two years now, aside from the playoff run in 2011. I'd be stunned if he miraculously returned to form. Moore looked good in preseason but is still a rookie and is already battling injuries, and I just don't think Kiwanuka is more than average.
arcarsenal : 9/6/2013 10:20 am : link
Fair points but you're assuming worst case scenario with every player. Maybe I'm doing close to the opposite but the truth will probably lie somewhere in between which, in my estimation, should still give us a pretty solid group.

Preseason is preseason but I thought there was just a noticeable difference against the run. Teams couldn't push us backwards and we were clogging all of the lanes up front. I think it will hopefully be a good indication that the run D will be stronger which should trickle down and make the D better overall. We'll see.
The Broncos were down 17-14 at halftime last night  
Go Terps : 9/6/2013 10:20 am : link
And they probably should have been down more. The result last night didn't tell us anything other than Baltimore may be in for a long year.
Don't get me wrong, Denver looked great  
JOrthman : 9/6/2013 10:22 am : link
but I think we are reading into this game too much. It was a tight game until Harbaugh crapped the bed and failed to challenge Welker's catch. Once that drive happened it slowly got blown open.
Can we stop..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/6/2013 10:24 am : link
with hyperbole.

Joey from GlenCove : 9:45 am
They are a great team with a top 3 qb of all time. Baring a lot of injures they are going to easily win 14 games in a shitty AFC

Anyone who thinks a team can "easily win 14 games" has not watched football in a long time. Can anything else really be taken seriously if somebody holds this belief?
Have Eli invite Peyton over for dinner  
NNJ Tom : 9/6/2013 10:24 am : link
then serve him some left over baba ganoush or something. That should slow him down.

But seriously, you beat Peyton like Tom Brady. Hit him early and often. Beat the snot out of him. The front 4 has to pound him into the ground. That is our only chance.
Pressure up the middle will be key.  
bigbluehoya : 9/6/2013 10:25 am : link
Even if you're getting decent pressure on the edges, Peyton's just too good at stepping up and it's amazing how comfortable he is with little to no space in a seemingly collapsing pocket.

Best chance of success is to have the pressure coming from the middle to flush and/or get him moving backward.

On offense, 3 and outs will be deadly. Need to have the clock ticking and the chains moving. Obviously will need to score as well.
Other than key injuries, our biggest problem last year  
Big Blue '56 : 9/6/2013 10:28 am : link
was run Defense. The Giants on D only had 23 threes and out while the average league-wide was around 43..That's generally about a very poor run defense..We have seemingly fortified that very much and that should change our D production, perhaps by a lot..

Please stop with this fu*king piss poor D of ours based in last year..Enough already and NOT very pertinent. If you think what we've done with the run D will be inadequate, FINE, but stop with this bullshit qbout last year. It's not all that germane..
based on last year  
Big Blue '56 : 9/6/2013 10:29 am : link
Manning gets rid of the ball quicker than Brady  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/6/2013 10:36 am : link
It's hard to get to Manning. They also have Clady on the blind side. He's what, top 3 at his position?
run defense was the only problem? Really?  
Greg from LI : 9/6/2013 10:40 am : link
19th in passing TDs allowed, 28th in passing yards allowed.
2011 - 29th in passing yards allowed, 25th in passing TDs  
Greg from LI : 9/6/2013 10:43 am : link
2010 - only 10th in passing yards allowed but once again 19th in passing TDs allowed.
Time of possession allowed was bad also last year.  
Curtis in VA : 9/6/2013 10:46 am : link
Never said that Greg.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/6/2013 10:46 am : link
I said our biggest, not only..I'll tell you what. A team that can't stop the run, almost always sets up a successful aerial attack via playaction. Playaction KILLED us last year..KILLED us and is directly responsible for us getting torched over and over again in the air..

I believe after our 0-2 start, we will get it together on D amd our run D will be the big reason why and that should hopefully set us up for a clutch run toward the playoffs
there have been a helluva lot of stats under Fewell that are bad  
Greg from LI : 9/6/2013 10:47 am : link
Everything except interceptions. And yeah, those are great, but can't there be a way to pick a few off without getting destroyed in the air??
arcarsenal : 9/6/2013 10:49 am : link
Sacks? Last year they didn't have a ton but they did in 2010 and 2011
What doesn't show up on the stat sheet  
Curtis in VA : 9/6/2013 10:53 am : link
are things like communication between the players and the coach and knowing what you're supposed to do and where you're supposed to be. These are things that have popped up in the media from players and it seems as though some take issue with and disagree with Fewell's schemes (like Kenny Phillips).

Talent will only get you so far if you don't have a good coach. He has all the talent he wants now. He's got his "big butts" up front. If the defense falters again this season, there's really no one else to blame.
arcarsenal : 9/6/2013 10:54 am : link
Phillips just wanted to be utilized differently. He was actually very effective here the way Fewell used him when he was healthy but he wanted to do other stuff.. but apparently he's not even physically capable so it's a moot point.
Tell you a stat sheet I'd like to see.......  
I Love Clams Casino : 9/6/2013 10:54 am : link
one that shows a QB's next week performance after a record breaking week.
Beating Broncs,  
oldog : 9/6/2013 10:54 am : link
The first step is to see what we`ve got against the cowpukes. Then, keep it clean around the edges, challenge all short hop catches and the like, play physical, avoid turnovers (Who would have thought that Welker would drop a punt), and stupid penalties. We know we have the size to stop their run and the Broncs did not show much run last night. If we can, run the ball, ball control is essential, Darrell and Cox will have to show up. Defend the pass, but don`t let Payton go over the top like he did last night. On our side, catch the ball, our receivers are a few classes above what Ravens showed last night. Didn`t see much Bronc pass rush until the game started to fall apart. And, carry ball all the way across the goal line before celebrating. Finally, since this will be an all Manning, (NOT Harbaugh) SB, we should consider whether, like in 07, it might be better just to give them a workout, but take the second one.
Phillips isn't the only one.  
Curtis in VA : 9/6/2013 10:58 am : link
I recall comments from other players as well. I happen to think Fewell just isn't a good coach and despite some weak areas on the defense, he's the reason why its not very good.

I guess we will find out for sure over the next 17 weeks.
The result from last night tells us  
Don in DC : 9/6/2013 11:04 am : link
that it's fucking hard to play 60 minutes in the thin air of Denver in week 1.

The Ravens are not nearly the team now that they were at the Super Bowl, and they were winning at the half. They got their shit handed to them in the second half at least in part because they grew fatigued as a result of the thin air.

Playing the Broncos at our house will be another story. We might lose, but the wheels won't come off on us in the second half due to fatigue the way they did for the Ravens last night.
BigBlueinChicago : 9/6/2013 11:31 am : link
The Giants defensive tackles will not be a factor against the Broncos because Peyton won't allow them on the field.

As we saw last night, Denver was averaging between 20 and 22 seconds when it came to snapping the ball.

With that in play, the Giants big people will be tired out. So just like in 2010, the decision has to be made on what to do. I'd be willing to bet they will again take their chances with Peyton opting to run against what will be a smaller front.

They won't activate as many DT's as they will likely activate 9 secondary players.
Surely, if not Shirley,  
Doomster : 9/6/2013 11:41 am : link
Clark dropping a few balls last night, not challenging the Welker pass, blocked punt, how many missed tackles/missed assignments and Flacco not having the best bunch of receivers(especially losing Jones) factors in.....

But the fact is, Denver went for the jugular, and did not sit on a lead.....
Of course they did!  
Curtis in VA : 9/6/2013 11:45 am : link
Revenge. =)
A big factor  
PaulBlakeTSU : 9/6/2013 12:25 pm : link
will be whether we can score touchdowns or whether we are settling for field goals. I hope that we are aggressive on fourth and shorts because on top of being he more logical approach, but it is even more necessary against a high-powered air attack like Denver's.
BrettNYG10 : 9/6/2013 12:50 pm : link
Pretty obvious we're going to be starting the season 2-0.
OC : 9/6/2013 2:14 pm : link
Put Peyton on his ass...often.
Without reading the thread, I'll be  
bob in tx : 9/6/2013 2:17 pm : link
disappointed if someone didn't respond " ...this is a trap game for the Broncos".
Simms : 9/6/2013 3:35 pm : link
First we need to beat the cowboys in week one somehow, someway.

Second, is good ole fashion pressure. Cannot though a pass while his butt is on the ground.

Like the first option better.
broncos defense is not that great  
Neverend : 9/6/2013 3:42 pm : link
overall. it wasn't until Michael oher got hurt that caused shaun Phillips to get going. they couldn't pressure flacco unless they blitzed. theres holes and seams on that defense too. they have some good depth guys at corner though but that's it

the giants offense will have ZERO, NO problems at all against this defense. None. I think its fair to assume champ bailey wont be 100 percent or close to his form in his game back, if he even plays
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