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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/8/2013 8:32 pm
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I thought the defense played well, all things considered.  
Britt in VA : 9/9/2013 8:45 am : link
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Arc  
dep026 : 9/9/2013 8:47 am : link
believe it or not. People were high on the defense. Couple easy 3rd down conversions (the blown assignment on the blitz when it was 3rd and 11 and no one covered Witten somehow?)

Wilson, Scott, and Gilbride deserve most of the blame.
Defense only gave up 22 points  
95cobraguy : 9/9/2013 8:52 am : link
With our offense i'll sign for that every week. 6 fucking turnovers? It's a miracle the giants were even in this game to begin with, and actually came very close to pulling off another miraculous comeback. They NEED another RB, wilson is not ready and scott would've been cut had brown not gotten hurt.
Yeah, the Witten play was the obvious mistake...  
arcarsenal : 9/9/2013 8:54 am : link
One of those 2 players were supposed to cover him and both rushed the passer.

I was pleased overall, though. And hopefully the "all Fewell does is play 10 yards off" crowd paid a little attention because we played up on the line a whole lot last night.

The game plan was pretty clearly to not let Dez Bryant beat us and they did a good job of that.

Yeah, some of the conversions were frustrating but honestly that's just the NFL.. it's gonna happen, you can't stop them all. When they needed to get the offense the ball back late in the game, they did it twice... unfortunately, we daggered ourselves on the pick 6 off Scott and that was it.
McBride  
dep026 : 9/9/2013 8:54 am : link
had a helluva game too.

Fumble for being totally unaware, and a penalty that potentially kept us out of FG range in the first half.
And people were  
dep026 : 9/9/2013 8:56 am : link
pissed about the lack of pass rush. Until the final drive, we literally barely sniffed Romo.

Kiwi was a huge disappointment. JPP looked tired, but finally got to the QB. Tuck was non existent. Trattou actually got involved more.
Saying the defense played well is hyperbole  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2013 8:58 am : link
They were ok. It was a mixed bag - DTs and CBs looked very good. Safeties - Rolle played well, Mundy stinks, Cooper Taylor doesn't belong on the field right now. The DEs were a major disappointment. If you want to give JPP a mulligan since he missed preseason, that's fine, but Kiwanuka did next to nothing and Tuck only generated pressure when he was playing tackle.
Hynoski needs to shake off the rust as well.  
Curtis in VA : 9/9/2013 9:00 am : link
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Lots  
AcidTest : 9/9/2013 9:03 am : link
of positives. The O basically gave this game away.

How many teams are still in a game after five turnovers? The biggest problem on D is the lack of coverage ability of our LBs. This also affects our ability to use them on blitzes. Dallas was able to blitz their LBs regularly because they can cover in space. They don't need to keep all three back to do so. Their LBs are also effective at fill the gaps on the DL to shut down the run.

I agree with those who said that Snee is having a lot of problems in pass protection. It's only one game, but age and injuries seem to have robbed him of the lateral mobility needed to be effective in pass protection. He's here this year, but like DIehl should probably be gone after the season. I thought Beatty and Pugh were very good.

Wilson had to be benched last night, but we can't give up on him, and not merely because we don't have any other options. He has a lot of talent, but his fumbling was a problem at Va. Tech. One would have hoped that the coaches would have solved it by now. Everybody in the league is going to be ripping at the ball at least until the end of next season, and that will affect his running style. I'd like to see Cox get some carries.

I was against bringing Jacobs back, but I think we should at least take a look at what he has to offer. At least he can pass protect. Wilson still seems to be lacking in that regard. The bottom line is that we don't have a complete back on the roster, and that tips off the defense to some extent about what we are going to do.

The DL, WRs, and secondary were excellent. Eli was erratic, but made some plays.
Yeah Christie  
Spyder : 9/9/2013 9:04 am : link
that front running back stabbing fat SOB sitting up their with the enemy. F him.

McBride! chalk up another 7 points to Giant mistakes.
It's not "hyperbole"  
arcarsenal : 9/9/2013 9:09 am : link
Hyperbole would be saying the defense was incredible. No one said that. They did a good job. Tough to dispute that.
LB  
stretch234 : 9/9/2013 9:10 am : link
On his first TD, Herzlich covered him - Romo made a perfect throw. It amazes me that people do not think other players can make plays.

His other TD he was not covered by a LB

Dallas was 5-15 on 3rd down and had 83 yards rushing. The LB had something to do with that

who cares where that fat basturd Christie sat?  
bc4life : 9/9/2013 9:28 am : link
You know the best snacks were going to be in Jerry's box, so that's where fatass sat.

still, totally irrelevant to the debacle last night
LBs were not lights out  
bc4life : 9/9/2013 9:32 am : link
But, you really get better by playing in real games - I think they should be okay this year.

Turnovers at the worst possible moments were the main culprit. Fumble within the five yard line, Eli basically hands the ball off to Ware on the 1st play of the game. And, the int that was a pick 6 - that's basically 17 points right there.

Guys like Witten and Romo are going to make plays.
the D played more than well enough to win.  
Victor in CT : 9/9/2013 9:41 am : link
They held them in the game, didn't allow a TD after the Ware pick, almost scored one themselves. If you told me that they would hold Dallas to 87 yds rushing, 269 passing and 21 points (legit points that is) I'd have said they win going away.
When I went to bed last night after the game I was pissed...  
T-Bone : 9/9/2013 9:42 am : link
and still am to a degree. But none other than Mike Greenberg, of all people, actually brought up a good point that made me feel a bit better. He said the team gave up the ball 6 times and yet almost won the game. The Cowboys scored at least 17 points directly off of turnovers (2 returns for TDs and the FG off Eli's first pass of the game...maybe even 24 including the ST gaffe which I believe led to another TD) and the passing game at least seems to be clicking finally. Not to mention, considering the amount of TOs the team had and where, I thought the defense played pretty well.

I feel better about the team now, after sleeping on it and hearing the perspective of a non-Giants fan in Greenberg. We just need to get a vet RB in here to help Wilson out. The RB group single-handily lost that game for the team if you ask me. No other group...whether on the Giants or the Cowboys...had a bigger effect on the game.
Not too concerned  
RB^2 : 9/9/2013 9:48 am : link
The team didn't quit and was in a good position to actually win the game despite all the turnovers. Also, every single bounce went Dallas's way last night. If anything, Dallas should be worried that they didn't capitalize on the early Giants mistakes and jump out to a big lead.
It sure seemed like Murray violated the new rule  
NYG in NC : 9/9/2013 9:59 am : link
for RBs loading up and driving the crown of the helmet into the defender when him and roll went heads up. He should have been penalized for that.
i love how the defense played  
ShockNRoll : 9/9/2013 10:02 am : link
i said before the season that if webster and tuck got back to form, this would be a very good defense. they played their asses off last night. the one knock i have is the pass rush through the first 3 quarters. to give up 331 total yards and hold a team to 5-15 on third down in 37 minutes on defense is impressive, especially against this cowboy team which has the potential to be pretty explosive (see romo's 4,900 yards last year). anyone who is placing even a small blame for this loss on the defense is insane. yes, their pass rush could have been better, but ultimately they did the job both against the run and the pass.
Another positive from last night  
Jay on the Island : 9/9/2013 10:15 am : link
Was the play of LT Will Beatty. I haven't seen many comments about him but I think he did a hell of a job against Ware despite the fact he was usually left to block him without any help from a TE or RB.
jay  
ShockNRoll : 9/9/2013 10:28 am : link
agreed on beatty. he was steady. ware had a few pressures and obviously the pick, but that was not attributable to anything beatty did wrong. ware is going to get pressures against any tackle in the league so yes, i was also impressed with beatty.
Game positives....  
dguy901 : 9/9/2013 10:32 am : link
AB had huge fumblitise issues, Eli does have an occasional bad game but until now never that atrocious. As good as Eli is, he also has bad games as evidenced by last night, that is fact, not a slam on him, well, yes I'm pissed! Regardless, the D is vastly better than last year and all you need to do is look at time of possession, our offense couldn't give the D breaks, period. Hynoski didn't block very well, DW was being gang tacckled and held upright while they ripped at the ball and the OL blocking was poor due to injury subs. Before everyone screams for a new super RB which we can't afford, realize Scott has upside and the rook, Cox is faster and stronger than Brown ( I realize he has to prove he can protect Eli but he can't miss blocks worse than Wilson on that one sack). Monday night will tell us where we will be next January! JMHO>
I'm sorry but Eli was surgical running the hurry up  
Gmen24 : 9/9/2013 11:23 am : link
He always seems to excel when he is on the line calling the shots. Just like his brother. I'm not saying that we need to stick to it all game, but we need to mix it in a lot more. We just can't wait until the 2 min drill or when we're down 2+ scores.
Those 2 picks were bad  
Gmen24 : 9/9/2013 11:25 am : link
The third can't be put on him. To say he was horrible last night?? Maybe a slow start, but heading into half time he was and the second half he was dead on.
Turnovers  
stretch234 : 9/9/2013 11:27 am : link
It is not just having 6. They had 2 D touchdowns and started drives on the Giants 15, 16 & 48. The field position and 2 defensive TD's are so hard to overcome
Wilson Needs to Play  
clatterbuck : 9/9/2013 11:46 am : link
and it's up to Coughlin and the staff to coach him up without killing his confidence. he's a talented kid. I'd rather Cox get some touches over Scott. Much more upside.

Agree with the more rational voices on this site about the positive play of the D and the ability of this team to fight back.

Dallas stinks. Their D gave up almost 500 yards despite a huge advantage in time of possession.

I just don't understand our red zone play calling.
What a frustrating and sloppy display  
MarshallOnMontana : 9/9/2013 11:49 am : link
I struggle to think of many worse openers during my lifetime. Id rather lose 35-0 like we did on opening night in '95 to them than turn the ball over 6 times and lose a heartbreaker we essentially gave away. What a shitty morning. And now we get the Bronco offense possibly without Prince staring down the barrel at 0-2

The main positive I take from the game is that Cruz looks healthy off the heel and Nicks looked the best he has since the Tampa game last year. If we can move the ball this easily through the air, this is our division. But what a fucking shitty night last night was
Re: lack of pressure  
HomerJones45 : 9/9/2013 11:50 am : link
you aren't going to get much pressure if the other team is content to throw the ball 5 yards down the field. I think Romo averaged less than 6 yards an attempt, which is pathetic. The Cowboys were obviously concerned about their ability to protect the passer (and rightly so from the number of times he was hit playing nickel and dime). The couple of times they tried to go down the field, Romo paid the price.
Have to agree that pressure was there constantly.  
bronxgiant : 9/9/2013 12:28 pm : link
That is why they had so many short routes to help Romo out.
The OL is a lot more troublesome than already known beforehand  
micky : 9/9/2013 12:35 pm : link
nightmare.
Sloppy game, with the six turnovers...Obviously.  
johnnyb : 9/9/2013 12:46 pm : link
But the defense played well, especially our interior line. I thought they got a good push and disrupted the Cowboy offense. Manning had some big throws, although the interceptions were unforgiveable (the last one was horrendous!)

Any doubls about the health of Cruz and Nicks were put to bed very quickly. And Randle continued his strong play in the preseason. Meyers, after a first quarter drop, contrbuted and became a reliable option.

But, all things considered, after turning the ball over five times, we still were at midfield, with two minutes left, and a final score 31-30 not a stretch of the imagination. We were ALL thinking that. The last pick was about as deflating as one could ever be. The comeback was cut short.

Hang in ther guys. All is not so bad.
Wilson "Fumbles"  
Hondo : 9/9/2013 1:17 pm : link
Reminds me of 10 years ago when the Redskins caused "funbles" by holding up the runner until they could strip the ball away. The league then ruled that the play was dead when "forward progress has been stopped". This seemed to have taken care of the problem until last nite., when Wilson was held upright til the cowboys could strip 8the ball away from him.
This was not a fumble. the whistle should have been blown when his forward progress had been stopped.

Coughlin should have thrown a flag, instead of obviously blaming DW for the " fumble".
Hondo  
stretch234 : 9/9/2013 1:28 pm : link
They were clear fumbles - both cases his progress was not stopped and he was not down
U can't challenge  
dairborn : 9/9/2013 1:28 pm : link
Forward progress
Maybe when we go 8-8 and miss the playoffs  
bELIeve92 : 9/9/2013 1:37 pm : link
they'll let us in anyway because we had 6 turnovers in the first game and only lost by 5 points! Fucking pathetic performance. I don't see any positives coming out of a game like this
IMO - Giants looked beat up, slow and tired.  
GiantsUA : 9/9/2013 2:07 pm : link
Not everyone, but the feeling I got was that I was watching a team late in the season, not week 1.
If you don't see any positives for this offense posting 450 yards  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2013 2:09 pm : link
featuring 3-100 yard receivers in one game (a franchise first), and the defense playing the way they did despite being run ragged, you're just being emotional.

Maybe you would have preferred a repeat performance of last year's atlanta game. That would have been more pleasurable.
O-line is by far our biggest issue right now.  
732NYG : 9/9/2013 2:10 pm : link
They can't protect Eli AT ALL, and they gave our backs no room to work with. Brewer sucks(sorry Anak), and Baas needs to come back, so that Boothe can slide back into his spot at Guard. Pugh looks legit at least. Beatty played very well on Ware for most of the night.
Great point top ten  
dairborn : 9/9/2013 2:17 pm : link
I was at that game here in ATL and it was so much worse.....everyone needs to calm down and see that the turnovers were what lost us the game....but still we almost won it.... This stuff is very correctable.....we cut down the turnovers and time of possession becomes more in our favor.... And our D still did a good job even though they should have been gassed.
Redskins 10 years ago?  
jeff57 : 9/9/2013 2:19 pm : link
40 years ago they had the best at doing that: Chris Hanburger (the Hamburgler).
Link - ( New Window )
As bad as the Giants played  
Jupiter : 9/9/2013 2:42 pm : link
Dallas didn't play much better and the Giants had a real shot at winning the game in the 4th quarter, except for one botched screen pass.

I still am not sure who is to blame for that - Eli or Scott.

Let's see what happens tonight. If you think one game is so important, then tonight may show us who the Division winner will be and we won't have to play the rest of the season.
I love football  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/9/2013 2:43 pm : link
I love how my Monday has been so fucking brutal. All because of the first game of the regular season. Summer was good but it's football season now and I'm going to love every second of it, including like right now where I both love it and hate the shit out of it.

6 turnovers with an embarrassing performance by Wilson

There's not much to say about Wilson. He was about as bad as you could be. He missed blocks and put the ball on the ground twice. He's the NFL's joke of the week and all of us Giants fans are going to have to take it until he proves himself worthy of the starter spot. The good news is, he IS a talented player. He just needs to prove it. I still trust the kid and love his potential but I need to see some results.

But I gotta say, I'm EXTREMELY excited about this team's offense. Eli had his down moments but looked great last night when the team needed him to score in the 2nd half, and our WR unit played fantastic. Nicks/Cruz/Randle all played strong. If David Wilson decides to show up, this offense has a ton of explosiveness. Hopefully Wilson shows up.

The defense did a commendable job. They'll have a tougher test next week against Peyton, hopefully they are ready.

A brutally sloppy Week 1 loss + a loaded Week 2 opponent. We're staring 0-2 right in the face but I'm actually not too worried yet.

6 turnovers for the offense + leading rusher with 23 yards. And yet I was still impressed by the offense. If this running game can get going this is an offense with elite potential.
Scott never had much practice time with Eli  
spike : 9/9/2013 2:44 pm : link
being the no. 3 back (at best).

He's probably not used to the velocity that Eli slings the football on screens.

That said, Eli has to put better touch on those screen passes. Way too much force imo
My losers game ball,  
oldog : 9/9/2013 2:46 pm : link
goes to the veteran QB who hit Ware with a screen on the first play, threw a second interception shortly after, didn't show any imagination or seem to know which of his pllayers were rookies, which veterans, threw a bullet at a rookies back in the clutch, and wouldn't tackle to stop a pick six. Shows some talent, but what a wild man. My great game in trying circumstances game ball goes to the whole defense. My give me a break protest goes out to the refs, (when is roughing the kicker not roughing the kicker, and the Linval Joseph crawl-push roughing the passer, and a few more), and to the breaks (I know we owed Dallas the finger out of bounds from last year),since every time (but one, the Amuk deflection) the ball went up for grabs they got it.
A few stats,  
oldog : 9/9/2013 3:23 pm : link
Scott avg per carry, 4.6 yds, total 23. Scott 5 receptions 51 yds, total ydg 74 yds, late replacement for D. Wilson. DeMarco Murray, 84 total yards, Dallas starting running back.
I wish, for once,  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/9/2013 3:37 pm : link
we could open up a season NOT in a primetime game vs. Dallas. That sure would be nice. Could the schedule makers BE anymore unimaginative and lazy?
8 years ago I used to hate the fact that the Giants didn't play many  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2013 3:42 pm : link
primetime games.

Now I hate them every time. Pretty soon they're going to show commercials between passes.
Screen pass needs to be ripped out of the book  
BillyBoy8384 : 9/9/2013 3:55 pm : link
Eli cant throw it, never has been able to. What a shit of a play that must have been scripted 2 weeks ago during the preseason. That is on Gilbride. Please let our passing game set up our running game. Use our 3 top weapons in Cruz, Nicks and Randle then when they drop 8 let Scott or whoever we pick up go up the middle for 5. Our O-Line cant run block very good, they need to pass block better. Thats why I hope who ever we sign at RB can pass block bc Wiolson had some epic fails and whiffs trying to protect Manning. Dont use the run to set up the pass. Switch it around like almost every other team in the NFL has.

Look at the good teams...do they have great RB's ?? NO. Broncos. no. SF, yes, but they pass first and then use Gore. GB. no. New Orleans. no. Last night all Dallas did was pass. Romo had like 35 attempts by half.

We can do the same thing. Let the running game come to you after your WR's blow the casket off the D. When they start using Nickle and dropping 8, then run the ball.

Passing plays to set up the run. Passing plays to set up the run.
Passing plays to set up the run. Passing plays to set up the run.



We can win games
lol casket  
BillyBoy8384 : 9/9/2013 3:56 pm : link
oops
Let Eli loose  
BillyBoy8384 : 9/9/2013 4:05 pm : link
Nicks was catching everything his way. Surprised they didnt go deep to him more. Cruz is playing lights out. And Randle is emerging as a very good WR. All had over a 100 yds each. Let those guys set the tone. Then when opposing D's get pass weary, we run up the middle.

It seems Gilbride tries too much to use the run to set up the pass. With our RB issues and O-Line issues lets make our 3 top weapons set the tone. They will. Eli isnt going to have a core group of Nicks, Cruz, and Randle with a pass catching TE like Myers again after this season. Lets start burning teams to open up games.
Why wait til the 3rd QT to start throwing TD's and having Eli throw it all over the field.

The run will come. We need to be more of a team that opposing DC's need to say we must stop Nicks, Cruz, and Randle to even have a shot at winning. Our D-Line needs to step up too. We should be getting pressure every single time the QB drops back. If the D-Line and the O-Line can play to their ability and Gilbride lets Eli use his top 3 weapons to START the game, I think it would lead to a refreshing 1st half of football. Let the run come. Every team is a pass first team besides a few now. I know in the 90's it was the other way around. But let Eli havea monster year. Hes going to put some real scary numbers if they let him start games by coming out and using Nicks Cruz and Randle.
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