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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/8/2013 8:32 pm
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Overall our dbs looked good  
Rob_MTL : 9/9/2013 12:36 am : link
they were in good position, contested the passes. Tackled well.
i didn't mean keep him in there like nothing happened  
CGiants07 : 9/9/2013 12:39 am : link
rotating him with scott to close the game out or putting him on specials.
Not that anyone wants to hear it, but we had shit luck  
Kyle : 9/9/2013 12:41 am : link
I think there four fumbles in the game. Dallas recovered ALL four.
Anish, Kifflins D gave up 450 yds  
section125 : 9/9/2013 12:41 am : link
passing. Maybe he needed to stay in coverage. 3 receivers with over 100 yds and over 20 yds/catch each?

Not very impressive really.
Ware had ZERO tackles  
Rob_MTL : 9/9/2013 12:41 am : link
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Kyle  
MookGiants : 9/9/2013 12:42 am : link
every bounce went their way tonight, it was just one of those nights unfortunately.
section,  
AnishPatel : 9/9/2013 12:45 am : link
Not coverage or front wise. I am talking in terms of being aggressive in his system. His foundation was built on the 4 man rush with everyone else, collison-funnel-sink.

I saw an aggressive mentality for a guy who relied on the front 4 a lot with the Bucs from what I remember.

Also, it's the guys first game coming from college. I am interested in seeing how he adjusts once he gets the swing of things at this level again.
fucking idiots  
Dylan fan : 9/9/2013 12:48 am : link
Not that I expect anything different. Let's see, it was all Wilson's fault that the Giants lost despite:

1) a punt bounced off McBride that resulted in 1 short TD;

2) a pick 6 off the hands of Scott, who apparently wasn't quite on the same page as Eli

3) the 1st INT that was all on Eli that resulted in a FG

4) the 2nd INT, which was likely a receiver's fault for not being on the same page as Eli

That's 17 points players other than Wilson gave up, so there was plenty of blame to go around for the TOs. As mentioned, the ball bounced the Cowboys way all night except for the Mundy pick.

Some people have EXTREMELY short memories. I'm amazed they can remember how to brush their teeth. The Giants lost 34-0 to the Falcons last season, just 4 games ago. That's 31 fewer points than they scored tonight & 34 points they lost by, rather than 5 tonight. A 29 point differential is a great deal shittier than 5. Eli had 165 yards passing that game w/ 2 INTs & 0 TDs, compared to 450/3/4 tonight. I'll take his game tonight as well & it's not even close.
I was more impressed by Perry Fewel  
Rob_MTL : 9/9/2013 12:49 am : link
He was more aggressive than usual
Those first two trips inside  
dep026 : 9/9/2013 12:49 am : link
the 10 ill never understand. Power, power, power with a scat back and an OL that cant block.

first time i ever  
Mr. Nickels : 9/9/2013 12:49 am : link
heard Coughlin say it was his fault
Randle and Thomas looked good tonight.  
WeatherMan : 9/9/2013 12:49 am : link
Pugh too, solid outing. The rest... I think I'll give it a few days.
and yes  
Mr. Nickels : 9/9/2013 12:50 am : link
David Wilson single handedly did cost us the game with his play 2 fumbles not punching it on goal failing to block leading to sacks. He was a train wreck.
Mr. Nickels  
Rob_MTL : 9/9/2013 12:52 am : link
are you a Redskins fan?
The depth at CB, DE and DT looks pretty darned good.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/9/2013 12:53 am : link
Time of possession is likely to run against the Giants until the running game perks up, so I'm glad to have those extra veteran bodies. And it was nice to see Aaron Ross and Terrell Thomas challenging receivers. Fingers crossed for Prince's noggin, of course.

Safety could be a little rough until Hill returns, but Mundy looked like he belonged out there, for a guy who was supposed be a backup.

Then there's linebacker. Oh dear. The good news for next week is that the Giants will be in nickel most of the game anyway (more Jacquian Williams, less Mark Herzlich). The bad news is, they tried that against Peyton three years ago and got blown out.
No one player cost us anything single-handed  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2013 12:54 am : link
Eli had two turnovers that were clearly his fault, just like Wilson did.

Dylan fan  
Spyder : 9/9/2013 12:54 am : link
your # 2, the Scott interception TD is on Wilson too, because his bad play put him on the bench. Scott should have been on the bench for that play, but Wilson was because he sucked tonite. Wilson had all the reps catching those short passes, not Scott.
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christian : 9/9/2013 12:54 am : link
Every defense is going have trouble with our 3 WR set, there just aren't enough defenders in a base defense.

Myers might not be a game changer, but he gets to the spot and has soft hands. And when teams play deep and extra coverage he's gonna get a lot yards.
TTH  
dep026 : 9/9/2013 12:54 am : link
which 2?
I wish people watched replays  
dep026 : 9/9/2013 12:55 am : link
Eli's 2nd INT almost hit Randle in the head. If he is looking for the ball, its 20-25 yard completion.
the first-play int  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2013 12:56 am : link
and the overthrow INT that was over Jernigan's head.
U guys blaming  
dairborn : 9/9/2013 12:56 am : link
David Wilson gotta stop.....question for all u know-it-alls. Did David Wilson all the sudden cause our screen passes to suck....as well as Eli played tonight,3 of those turnovers were his fault....
i hate touting yards in a loss  
Neverend : 9/9/2013 12:56 am : link
if it were a close game they'd probably be a lot more balanced
The 2nd INT  
dep026 : 9/9/2013 12:57 am : link
was on Randle. It almost hit him in the head. He never looked for the ball. Seriously, watch the replay.
haha  
dep026 : 9/9/2013 12:58 am : link
now all 3 were Eli's fault. People have no clue when it comes to the QB position. None.
Err, three of those turnovers were not Eli's fault.  
Riggies : 9/9/2013 12:58 am : link
That last screen pass was all on Scott and the second INT was a typical Giants' miscommunication, where we'll never really know who was at fault, outside of just pointing the finger at the system seemingly promoting that sort of thing far too often.
On RB's fumbling  
TheNeumann64 : 9/9/2013 12:59 am : link
They all do, and almost every time, fans think it's an awful fumble. BUT, to me, fumbles inside of your own 20, and inside the opponent's 20 are the killers. That was at least a 10 point swing on those 2 fumbles tonight. Just brutal.

Doesn't mean he's a bust, and of course he's our starter. But those were ghastly tonight and were the biggest contributor to our loss.
look  
santacruzom : 9/9/2013 12:59 am : link
I like David Wilson a lot too, but blaming him is a very reasonable response to this loss. More importantly though, so is being very, very concerned about what kind of player he'll wind up becoming.

I'm really hoping for the best. Not only because I'm a Giants fan, but because I really like that guy. I can't imagine being in his shoes right now.
After shaking off the two early INTs...  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/9/2013 1:00 am : link
...Eli was 2011-type terrific, despite fairly constant pressure. Ultimately, this game was a lot like the Seattle loss that year, or the previous losses to Philly where fluke fumbles by Eli killed Giant rallies. When you put yourself in a hole that leaves no margin for error, one bad play can kill what looks like a great comeback. Even Eli Manning isn't exempt from the dangers of walking that kind of tightrope.
kg playcalling  
SBlue46 : 9/9/2013 1:03 am : link
Puts rookie rbs and Eli in bad
Situations..this will happen next week
I would like to see it again if they showed it on the highlight.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2013 1:03 am : link
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Heres the replay  
dep026 : 9/9/2013 1:03 am : link
Randle runs the post, but his man sat in the flat, therefore he needs to be looking for the ball since he is right in the open hole.
Randle doesnt look for Ball. - ( New Window )
Dep  
dairborn : 9/9/2013 1:03 am : link
Can u explain how Eli can't be blamed we he said he tried to get the ball around ware and there was not an ounce of touch on that pass to Scott? I will look at the other but that ball looked like it zoomed well over jerigan's head. If at screen had touch it just falls to the ground. When is there ever touch on an Eli screen?
Blue Blogger yep  
Mr. Nickels : 9/9/2013 1:03 am : link
that was it the Eagles game at home in 2011 same season as the Seattle game both ended similar fashion while Eli was on his way to a comeback
we just need  
Mr. Nickels : 9/9/2013 1:05 am : link
a solid 1B to Wilson's 1A or vice versa and it isn't going to be Andre Brown with his durability issues.

Wilson may be in the doghouse for a game or so
The first INT  
dep026 : 9/9/2013 1:05 am : link
was on Eli.

The second was on Randle. Click my link and find Allens INT, you will clearly see Randle not looking for the ball.

And 3rd INT is solely on Scott. Its a timing play and he doesnt even get his head around. Eli didnt throw it 100 MPH. Lets be honest. It was a flick. He wasnt ready because hes a 3rd stringer and his timing was off.
Dep  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2013 1:05 am : link
Jernigan is the one leaping for the ball. You're right that Randle isn't looking for it, but when you have two WRs in the same space, something went wrong.
I dont think Jerrigan was the intended  
dep026 : 9/9/2013 1:07 am : link
target since he is really well guarded.

Randle had Claiborne beat, and never looked. If he looks as soon as he breaks, its an easy catch.
What a polarizing game.  
mstyles22 : 9/9/2013 1:08 am : link
In 2007 when we lost to Dallas Week 1 the defense was BRUTAL. In 2011 it was bad turnovers combined with bad defense. Both of those years worked out pretty well.

Obviously the wheels can still come off too.

I just think that tonight's debacle is reversed next week if Big Blue can beat Denver, and I think they can.

Like many have already said, there is reason for hope...
yeah the first interception was horrible  
islander1 : 9/9/2013 1:10 am : link
and all Eli
Yes  
dep026 : 9/9/2013 1:11 am : link
the first INT was on Eli. Lets castrate him after his benching.
Actually with the number of white shirts where he threw it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2013 1:13 am : link
I'm not sure what was going on in that play. The more I see it the less I'm convinced he should have made that throw.

Seemed like neither WR knew what to do there, and you had 3 defenders in the space. Lee was just barely away from the play.
I see what ur saying  
dairborn : 9/9/2013 1:14 am : link
Jernigan put his hands up to catch it.... I thought there was another angle in the game that showed it better... But it looked like randle was bracketed under and over
All I am going to say  
dairborn : 9/9/2013 1:19 am : link
Long before Scott,long before Wilson,Eli has been embarrassing on screens. I understand timing and that nature but this is an on going low point in the offense. I love Eli but we are very Quick to point at everyone else because I think we like to give him the free pass because he is Eli but I do respect your opinion.
I think it's more fair to say that second one was a team or system INT  
Riggies : 9/9/2013 1:20 am : link
than trying to force it on Eli or Randle (or any player) because we don't know exactly what was going on there other than they were all on the wrong page.

It was just one of those plays that this offensive system is prone to featuring, unfortunately.
Eli never points his finger at anybody  
SHO'NUFF : 9/9/2013 1:22 am : link
but he did mention the young running backs.
Eli, when he was a far worse QB than he is now, had little issue  
Riggies : 9/9/2013 1:24 am : link
throwing screen passes to Tiki and Ward.

This myth that he's never been able to throw to RBs is annoying. He didn't start not being able to until they took away his RBs that were actually good pass catchers and replaced them with an awful receiver in Jacobs, a so-so one in Bradshaw, now a generally terrible Scott, etc. and the OL started to lose its powers. That's not a coincidence.
Scott  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2013 1:25 am : link
took the blame...he said he choked.
I always find it an admirable trait  
Mr. Nickels : 9/9/2013 1:34 am : link
to admit when one has failed so that shows good maturity in Scott.

Wilson I can't even imagine what he is thinking right now
riggies  
Rob_MTL : 9/9/2013 1:35 am : link
eli doesnt sell the screen well. He doesnt back pedal enough, doing so would create space.
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