Can we just give Eli full control?

Peyton, Brady, rodgers, Brees, Flacco, Ryan all do it.

Can't stand Gilbride and his damn predictable offense, it's horrible. No excuses, he has the weapons to succeed??

no more fucking around with these inept RBs. Just sling it to our beast wideouts and win the fucking game

Eli excels.

/signed.

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Balls to the wall aerial assault. Our running game is fucked.

yall do realize those 3 ints were ALL on eli

OL?

Did the OL block anybody in the first half?

you just dont snap it right away. Theres nothing wrong getting up to the line right away calling a play, and then audible out of it if there is something to run.

When you have all offseason/preseason to come up with a game plan,,, and your first play is a goddamn screen.... you really have to question things.

for all we know 8/10th of the 2nd down 'draws' are audibles. Eli is constantly checking into other plays, as I assume there's only a limited number of plays you can easily audible to based on the communication being difficult if you have lots, then it might explain why we're pretty predictable.

I'm not suggesting we run the No Huddle all game... but how about running it on the first or second drive of the game, to get things moving and clicking?

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that is absolutely false.

1st - All Eli
2nd - All Randle, he was wide open and didnt even look for the ball.
3rd - Scott, turned the wrong way, and turned way too late.

Whether its TC, Kildrive or a combination of both, they keep trying to force this balanced approach. Yet we dont have the road graders like in 08 and definitely not the RBs to be effective.

I hope next week we see a more agrressive approach from the start.

has full authority to change any play he wants. Eli loves Kevin Gilbride. The Gilbride hate needs to stop, it never will because there are too many fucking morons on BBI, but this is Eli's offense as much as it is Tom's or Gilbride's.

he wants balance

doesn't matter that Eli is a HOF quarterback and the RBs suck: balance trumps all

The 2nd was questionable. But you're an idiot if you think the 3rd INT was on Eli.

I put 2 of the INT's on Eli. The 3rd one is on Scott. Bad throw or not, tipping the ball in the air like that is like a hockey assist for an INT.

ints were on Eli. That's the usually bullshit of this system. Someone was running a post, Eli throw a go route. This shit happens every fucking year. Eli throws one way and Wr runs another way.

That first Int was on Eli. We truly suck at screens. And it never was this way when Hufangel was the OC and Tiki was here. Scott needs to turn his head faster. The way the OL played tonight you can't hold the ball. You see your RB leak out and no one is there you throw it. That's just bad luck the ball goes to the sole CB sitting there.

may have gone for a touchdown if Eli throws it to Wilson. They had 4 guys to block 2 cowboys on that side of the field. It was a great play call, it was simply a piss poor throw by Eli

Elis 2nd INT almost hit Randle in the head. Seriously, watch the replay. You would be astonished on how it was an easy throw/catch.

that the option offense, as great as it can be when it working, contributes to a lot of the inconsistency and turnovers we see at times out of this offense. Eli's 2nd INT was a miscommunication spawned from the option offense going wrong. I see it happen way too much because it takes so long for the chemistry build. I'm not sure how many other teams run this offense but I'm pretty sure Green Bay, NE, New Orleans and some other high powered offenses don't run it and they seem to do fine.

Why are we so hell bent on running this kind of offense?

Not disputing that Eli can change the play.

What I am dispusting is that Eli is not given the control to run a Hurry Up/No Huddle Offense until we are down 2 scores or its the end of the 1st half. And unsurprisingly, to me, that's when this offense is at its best.

always wants balance is bullshit.

We've seen Eli throw a shit load of times in many games, NFC Championship game just two years ago eli was going back to throw on every fucking down.

I have a hard time believing that. Ware played it perfectly. If they throw it over him, it may be caught/incomplete.

I dont understand why Beatty just let him go though. Obviously he wasnt moving upfield, why just let him stand there.

How about Wilson doesn't fumble. How about receivers catching the ball early in the game. How about they don't let the ball hit them on punts.

all game and you especially can't run one when the offense is turning it over every play and defense never gets a rest.

If you go to the hurry up offense too much you will wear out your defense.

Coughlin has said about 50 times that he wants balance

so i don't know how you could call it "BS." This is not a fan theory, it's what TC has stated on numerous occasions

right away and still snap it at 5 or 10 seconds. I think thats the original point. We can let Eli just call the game as he sees it.

needs to throw it around him, he had a lot of room to work with to just throw it out to him, instead he tried to throw it directly to him and instead went right to ware.

There is no disputing that the play was perfectly set up. Eli has to get it to him. They had at minimum a 20 yard play on first down if Eli doesn't screw it up

I'm not suggesting we run a No Huddle offense all game.

I'm suggesting we start the game, or the 2nd quarter with it. Especially when our offense is struggling and looks like shit. Why are we waiting to be down multiple scores?

coach says he wants balance. And you do need balance to an extent.

control do you want to give Eli? He already has the final say on the play.

If you are saying we should only go no-huddle, that is a completely different point.

Eli makes the final call on all plays as it is.

always has been, probably always will be

I think control has nothing to do with it. Maybe shorter verbage of the terminology to get plays in faster so Eli can get more of a pre snap read.

Credit Sean Lee in the in game chess game. He reminded me of what AP used to do for us. I was really impressed with Lee.

Giants OL can't run block and the RBs are not that good.

I think the emphasis on running the ball has probably cost the Giants victories in 2010 and 2012 that cost them the playoffs

but TC knows way, way, way, way more about football than I do, and he he believes in running the ball. So basically you just have to accept that is the way the Giants are going to be under him as coach

so, rationally i accept it and know that it has won us two SBs. But I don't have to like it.

post two Super Bowl victories. Not having 6 turnovers is not a lot to ask for from the players.

we were pretty damn good getting the plays off in time. The mistakes made weren't ones made due to rushing, they were made because the RB fumbled or Eli threw the ball to a bad area.

Not really sure what the terminology, long or not had to do with the mistakes. We turned the ball over 6 times, 3 on fumbles!

Not no-huddle or full blown hurry-up all game long or anything, no, but Eli is a QB that clearly needs to get into a rhythm and it's almost like he's fighting against the tempo for large parts of games.

I think it's part of the reason for the clear split in his "clutch" stats in his career. It's not so much that he's this mythical clutch, but that they just get into more of the offense he's best suited for, in terms of pace and even spreading things out.

My thoughts exactly

Not with mistakes. As another point, getting the play quicker or shorter terminology to allow Eli to read the defense then worry about getting people lined up and guys to go or stop in motion.

The 6 turnovers were a shit show in their own respect. I mean what the fuck, fumbling left and right. Two screen concepts resulting in Ints. SCREEN passes? Those are supposed to be high fucking percentage!

This was an utter shit show. I hope Coughlin works them this week hard. This was worst then the Denver Thanksgiving game for me.

why do the Giants have such a hard time running the screen?


is it just Eli not letting the DL get deep enough before throwing it? Lack of touch? Or what?

call per se but he listens to his coaches. Always has.

Until it gets crunch time and we have to go hurry up then he just thrives

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Until it gets crunch time and we have to go hurry up then he just thrives

This is my point exactly. Eli should be able to run a hurry up offense whenever he sees fit. It gets his rhythm and timing going and allows him to do what he does best -- call the game at the line of scrimmage.

are scripted, aren't they? He wants to see exactly how the defense reacts, so that we can exploit them later.

the screen call happened when Eli went to the sidelines for 2:00 warning. I got a script of the conversation.

EM: Ok coach, what do you got?
KG: Well if the blitz, run the screen, if not run the shotgun handoff.
EM: Coach, our receivers have been killing, what about another slant, money all night.
KG: No, no, no. I think Scott is dependable.
EM: Coach, our RBs suck, and have killed us all night, and he is 3rd string:
KG: Winners want the ball at the end of the game, and Scott is a winner.
EM: Coach, I am Capt Comeback, let me throw it downfield.
KG: Just run what i say!
EM: :God where is Buddy Ryan when you need him:

Not sure. It wasn't like that when Hufangel was here. I hated the guy, but give him props. He called screens a lot and we were very good at running them with Tiki. It carried over in 2007, when Gilbride took over. We ran a sweet middle screen with Jacobs against TB in the playoffs.

From there on, we went down hill. Just bad passes, or failed blocking resulting in Eli having to throw the ball into the ground. Two ints tonight came on screens!! SCREENS! That concept is supposed to be high percentage.

That has to get cleaned up.

the screen was a terrible call for the very first play of the game. First of all we suck at screens. Second of all, you run screens only after the offense has established something, you just can't be letting the DL run past your OL until those guys have actually done some successful plays, both running and passing.

Far too predictable when we're not in our 2 minute drill. We're armchair, amateur fans who watch for enjoyment. We can correctly call 75% of the plays based on the formation the Giants trot out. You think other teams can't?

They telegraphed that 1st screen. No way a divisional rival isn't salivating waiting to jump that play.

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dep026 : 12:01 am that is absolutely false. 1st - All Eli 2nd - All Randle, he was wide open and didnt even look for the ball. 3rd - Scott, turned the wrong way, and turned way too late

the 2nd interception was on Eli also. I don't know who Eli was aiming for but Jernigan was wide open. Eli threw it high and behind after Jernigan made his cut. If he was aiming for Randle the pass would have been way behind.

As was the 3rd interception. Eli rushed his pass there was no immediate threat. He had plenty of time to let that play develop.

On the 2nd INT, Eli throws to a spot in the defense where there is a hole. Randle had Claiborne beat as soon as he made his move and Eli put it right into the window. jerrigan was not the target.

If Randle had looked as soon as he made his move, easy completion.

The 3rd INT is all on Scott. This whole thing of not using touch is just nonsense. Scott needs to be looking for the ball on a timing play. Screen plays are all about timing, and Eli knows he has x amounbt of time to hold onto it.

Int 2: Jernigan deflected a bad pass. There was nothing unusual about Randles route, nothing. It was a poorly thrown pass by Eli. No one was catching that pass.

int 3: Eli rushes the pass. It's clear as day.