Don't Kill the Messenger but Brandon Jacobs

Involving a bunch of RBs.

BJ. Fresh legs and knows the system and has something to prove

at this point take jacobs because he knows the system....he can be a leader and a mentor to this young core of running backs.....I will be shocked if 27 is not back on the field this week

and gets signed, as unlikely as that middle part is. At least he'll probably block his ass off, even if he can't do anything else all that well.

I'm not writing Wilson off and still believe he'll have at least a decent career in the big picture, but you can't really trust him or any other RB on this roster right now to do even that basic function, nevermind anything else.

I'd rather have DJ Ware than fucking Brandon Jacobs

And today he posted a 40 yard dash which he ran a 4.4, I know it's all short and T Shirt stuff but we can use the big man

LOL

If it's purely for nostalgic reasons, why don't we get Lawrence Taylor? We need linebackers too! Jacobs is done. He was done the last couple of years he played for us and he was done in San Fran.

Because He Can Protect Eli AndThe Ball. Doubt He's In GameShape But Still.

It's now a matter of him being less awful than what you likely have.

If he can pass block and knows his assignments (and the coaching staff doesn't over-do his carries or do something as stupid as bury Wilson for him -- this is the big issue here), there may be room for him because the other currently uninjured guys can't be fully counted on to do those things.

jobs by the running backs in a Giants game that I've seen in quite some time.

I would love this.

Jacobs has had brutal hands out of the backfield as well. so many, many drops because he took his eye off the ball at the last moment.

im only happy for this because of what he would bring in the locker room and pass protection. not for his receiving and running skills, that's for sure

and that's something, but at his best, he was never particularly reliable as a short-yardage back.

Cut Scott, bring in Jacobs for the year to avoid termination pay.

I then think that they'll sign another RB after week 3 who has less than 4 vested years, when they'll likely cut Ojomo. If Ojomo clears waivers 24 hours later, they'll probably re-sign him to the Practice Squad.

After week 8, Andre Brown will be eligible to return to the active 53-man roster, at which point the Giants will have to cut someone to make room for him.

show some respect. It's a tryout.

it's late.

*I should have said that Jacobs may very likely be on the roster for the year to avoid termination pay, even though it would be miniscule (25% of his paragraph 5 base salary if he is signed on Tuesday afternoon).

*Jacobs would get $715,000 which would be prorated for 16 weeks instead of the full 17 ($672,941).

*His cap # would be $555,000 though, and would be prorated for 16 weeks, instead of the full 17 ($522,353). 25 percent of this amount would be $130,588.

Actually I say if we had signed BJ last week, we don't lose this game.

they might not have lost the game

What the hell was the Great Hokie Hype going to provide? More of that scintillating 7 carries for 19 yards action? More whiffed blocks? At least Scott managed to pick up a few blitzers.

it was a quick hook. the second fumble wasn't completely his fault, he got mauled.

isn't critically important, is it?

As someone else said, he can pass-protect ... and he could probably still put someone on their ass.

For 12-15 plays a game? Can't see why so many are so against it. It's not like Wilson's going anywhere, so a Wilson/Jacobs tandem might be 3 ticks better than a Wilson/Scott tandem.

if no other reason than in pass protection. I wonder what kind of shape he is in...

But they need a "bigger" back.

might consider what a year and one half or so off from the pounding did for OJ Anderson. Parcells mentioned that back in the day. Sometimes a big back got his career second wind by having a hiatus like Olive Head did. (Giants nickname for him). Yeah, if they don't get Big Jake in for a looksie on Tues, somebody is pumping their carrot.

a while. That 1st half display by a running back was the worse I've ever seen.Can't hold onto the football and can't block.

But benching him last night was the right thing to do, he was almost literally shitting the bed. For his own confidence if nothing else they had to get him out of there, he was self destructing.

Guys have recovered from bad nights before, but you don't just leave him out there to continue unraveling.

Anyone saying Wilson should NOT have been benched is a full-on idiot.

He cannot run the ball and proved it for a year or so before he left. I trust our evaluators of course, but there are backs out there who can pass pro AND do SOME damage running and catching the ball

It's about being able to protect Eli and get a few touches here and there. Don't get me wrong, if we can get a back who can do both then I'm all for it.

AND run the ball(something BJ can't do, unless you want to revisit a 300 pound RB who consistently get caught a few yards behind the line by a 150 pounder)

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yes, he can pass protect, and yes he knows the system. However, even assuming that Wilson works out the fumbling issues and gets more carries, the Giants need a goal line back/ short yardage back. Despite being 265 pounds, Jacobs hasn't been a good short yardage back in years. Who can do that job for the Giants until Brown is ready to go?

protect Eli, put a guard back there.

Don't be stupid, you need a running threat or the other guys blitz all day.

I love BJac - I doubt he has anything left. Kick the tires but don't expect a signing.

that he could help, then I would have absolutely no problem with it whatsoever.

will it take Wilson to work out his fumble problems. Is he the type of all purpose talent that will make up for the games the Giants will lose while he works on his fumble problems.
The NFL season is on 16 games long, and unless the team is in rebuild mode, they don't have the luxury of giving a guy a few games to figure out how to hold on to the ball, that is what pre-season is for. All a defense has to do is have the first tackler hold him up while the rest rip at the ball.
He will only hurt this team at the RB position. Denver will be practicing this all week.

Bring in BJ and see if he can help.

what it is that Wilson fails to gasp or do?

Presnap or post? Reading the D or simply technique? is it correctible?

he can block and even if he can't run the ball that far at least we'll still have the ball

A try out isn't the worst thing that could happen.

Does he take back #27 since Stevie Brown is injured?

Now they want him back. Even though he's older and slower.

Move on and get someone else.

your wealth of ignorance never ceases to astound me.

Not sure if that guy is Jacobs but boy they need to find someone.

at how bad Wilson was last night.

you don't think Jacobs is done?

Is it wrong to hope he's got a little more left in the tank after riding the pine for two years? I don't think so.

Jacobs is a firecracker in the locker room and on the field. Wilson needs someone like Jacobs to straighten him out. He knows our system, scares the Hell out of D Backs and can block his ass off. The risk to reward is very low. And we can get him at the league minimum.

TEAM BJ!!!

is healthwise. I'd love him here for 8-10 carries including all goaline work/short yardage. Was dinged a bit last year but no offseason work this year should have allowed a good amount of healing.

Margi, you're the last one to talk about football knowledge. I know your secrets so shut your mouth.


Gary, the key word is "hope." He's done very little in the past few years to prove he can revert to the Jacobs of old.

and a semi-healthy McGahee over Jacbos who really can't do much at this point. He'll pass block, but that isn't our problem.

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the RBs looked a little lost last night - Jacobs might be the right medicine for them. Jacobs is a great blocker.

I agree that he has not shown he can be a short yardage guy consistently - but he can bust one out - he's mad dangerous in the open field - and he can lay a hard lick on the best of the defensive backs.

Resigned with Steelers.

are you serious - pass block is definitely an issue - Wilson almost got Eli killed last night - the not being able to keep the ball is only part of the problem. Someone ran right past him last night - unabated - and got right to Eli.

can pave the holes Jacobs needs to be effective? They can't even really hold blocks for a 5'9 200lb runner. They're going to spring a run for Jacobs? Come on.

who else then? I don't see any great alternatives out there.

we aren't not going to use Wilson though so he'll have to work on it. We aren't signing a guy that will be the feature back. We are signing a guy that can a). light a fire under Wilson's ass, b). can get short yardage, and c). can pass block.

All are obviously important, but Wilson got benched for getting stuffed and fumbling.

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You know my secrets? You want me to shut my mouth? Lol! Come get some, little boy.

Listen, pea brain....the next knowledgeable football post out of your mouth will be your first.

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Jacobs:

He can block. He's not going to rush for 1000 yards. He's not going to break off many long runs. I'm not sure if he's done or not. I do know he'll protect Eli and can pound for a few here and there. No big back on this roster is killing the Giants. Dwyer? A never was with fumbling problems. Hightower? Another never was. Michael Turner? Probably the same upside/downside as Jacobs. Bring him in and see what he's got left. Seriously, after that shit show? How could it be worse?

I'll keep my mouth shut to avoid having this blow up, but just so you know, I know your secrets and I'll just say that you have as much football knowledge as Rich Houston.

What's the scuttlebutt?

Again, you little vagina....go ahead...tell your secrets!

is a name that makes sense to me assuming he's healthy...

And we all know rnargi's dirty little secret:

rnargi is a man!!!

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I am still in shock dep026 : 8:30 am at how bad Wilson was last night.

I still haven't fully processed how badly he stunk last night.

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He'll pass block, but that isn't our problem.

So I disagree with that statement. Pass blocking is a big part of the problem.

I don't know anything about what's going on. I assumed that they were waiting after week 1 to sign another back due to cap reasons. I was surprised that Torain was cut, others weren't. I would think Torain ges another look, too. Been with the team for a while and played pretty well in the pre-season.

A 24 year old never was. Meanwhile, he had 2 100+ rushing games last year, which is one less than Jacobs has had since 2008.

Did you know he didn't allow one sack in pass protection last year?

I'll spare you the indignity.

Folks, he really doesn't make his own gravy....it's really Ragu!

There.

If TC & Co. is so desperate for someone to protect Eli out of the gun that they sign BJ, I could maybe see it. But as much as I loved him in his prime, Jacobs is no longer a productive runner.

margi is a man …. Get Out of Town!

She showed me her breastages, and got me all worked up.

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I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it for myself at camp...

I'm intrigued by McGahee.

Torrain gets brought back..

I don't know why people would expect someone that wasn't at camp to walk in off the street and do a good job.

Wilson and Scott can both play. Work with them to improve.

its A problem, but not THE problem. We luckily have a smart QB who can react to blownup blocking. It isn't ideal, and I don't like either, but that isn't why we are hitting the FA pool this week.

Wilson cannot hold onto the ball and by previous reports, he looks like he isn't mentally there (too hard on himself, too mental about things, too emotional, whatever). Short yardage is also a massive problem. We score on the 1 yard line after that Mundy pick and I think the coaches, and fans all believe we win that game.

If he is somewhat healthy, i'd love McGahee. Proven vet, worked with Peyton, can fit in any offense, can pick up blitzes, can get the tough yard, and would be on a team that he has playoff hopes.

which McGahee and Dwyer have. I have a feeling it'll be Beanie, Jacobs or Lumpkin.

Better off bringing in Tiki Barber for a workout.

but he's done. RB's don't suddenly get it back after losing it, and Jacobs lost it 3 years ago.

because our OL keeps getting abused. Even by a thin Dallas defensive line. They completely failed at imposing their will on the Dallas defensive line. Every run play, the lineman were past the LoS before Wilson or Scott got to the line.

I'm not sure who does the sharing of threads on FB but the pic above is the image that goes with it...its pretty funny but probabloy not the one you want to use...

Just saw the same thing. LOL

Commented on the facebook page to point it out.

and see the pic..it does actually work...in that it makes you want to click to find out what the hell is going on with Jacobs LOL!!!

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I thought they should have kept him over Scott anyway.

haha... saw this when it was orig. posted last night, though

we all get it it - you love McGhee - but having Eli leveled isn't a problem

smh

1 game does not a season make, especially when the OL is in disarray, your QB throws 3 picks and your feature RB fumbles twice ( the 2nd time he was being held upright while they ripped at the ball).
Jacobs doesn't fit when you consider who would be cut to give him a roster spot. I would prefer to see Wilson be benched (so he never forgets to hang onto the ball and hit the ground when 3-4 defenders have him) next game with a healthier Hyno, Scott and some game time for the rook, Cox. Cox has comparable size as Brown, he is a little faster and stronger. Lets see how well the RB alt's perform in practise this week. Way to early to panic. JMHO.

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Anakim.... rnargi : 8:45 am You know my secrets? You want me to shut my mouth? Lol! Come get some, little boy. Listen, pea brain....the next knowledgeable football post out of your mouth will be your first.

Clap Clap Clap.

I couldn't have said it better myself. You're one of the most knowledge posters here and that piss brain is better off ranting on his twitter account. Kudos bro.

In your view Rob which would you choose:

McGhee
Jacobs
Torrain

I'd like McGhee as I think he can do the most in terms of yards but he does not know the offense.
Torrain I don't think is so good.

He's been posting videos of him lifting
SoZKillA : 1:54 am
And today he posted a 40 yard dash which he ran a 4.4, I know it's all short and T Shirt stuff but we can use the big man

I came back looking for it too.

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I wanted to hear all of margi's secrets.

1) I love how people dismiss some RBs as never was, but call for Torrain. That's pretty much what he is also.

2) I was never convinced Jacobs was done. I thought each of his final 2 seasons with us he was the best back on the roster at the end of the season.

3) That said, I am not convinced he isn't done either. It has been more than a season since he took a meaningful snap. That could either be valuable rest, or add to rust.

4) Michale Turner is the most interesting option. If his ankle is sound, he is easily the most talented of the group. But, there has to be a reason a player of his caliber remains unsigned. I wouldn't rule him out even if he isn't signed immediately, again dependent on his ankle.

1) I love how people dismiss some RBs as never was, but call for Torrain. That's pretty much what he is also.

2) I was never convinced Jacobs was done. I thought each of his final 2 seasons with us he was the best back on the roster at the end of the season.

3) That said, I am not convinced he isn't done either. It has been more than a season since he took a meaningful snap. That could either be valuable rest, or add to rust.

4) Michale Turner is the most interesting option. If his ankle is sound, he is easily the most talented of the group. But, there has to be a reason a player of his caliber remains unsigned. I wouldn't rule him out even if he isn't signed immediately, again dependent on his ankle.