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In the Minority, I'd Stick with Wilson and Scott

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2013 11:27 am
Wilson had a terrible game, but we've all seen what this kid can do. He's very young and he will turn it around.

Scott also made a bad mistake in a critical point of the game...that happens with inexperienced players. But he seems to be improving too.

Both players know the system. Both players have been with the Giants all through camp.

I'd stick with them.
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Hynoski is going to be ok.  
Curtis in VA : 9/9/2013 12:46 pm : link
He was rusty last night. Guy hasn't hardly practiced at all this year.

And I don't really know what to say with regards to your comment about his play last season.
prediction  
Fish : 9/9/2013 12:47 pm : link
Wilson has a solid all round game on sunday.
Bradshaw is 5'9  
ghost718 : 9/9/2013 12:48 pm : link
but stocky.He was made to hand out beatings,or drag the occasional defensive lineman in the Superbowl.

I don't know if you can say that about Wilson,regardless of any article that comes out in the press.
Clinton Portis  
RB^2 : 9/9/2013 12:49 pm : link
was one of the best blocking backs I remember watching.
RB's  
fkap : 9/9/2013 12:49 pm : link
typically adjust to the pro game sooner than other positions. Wilson wasn't trusted much last year, the coach speak was 'he's still learning' during preseason, and he got yanked in favor of a RB who's never sniffed the field. What does that tell you about what the coaches think of him? It tells me that the coaches are thinking they might have made a mistake in drafting him in round 1.

I don't pretend to be a talent evaluator, but I don't get any sort of warm fuzzy about Wilson being a star.
Sorry to say  
blueblood'11 : 9/9/2013 12:50 pm : link
I do not see Wilson as an every down back. Game breaker yes, a dependable every down back no. A goal line back no. A change of pace of back yes. I don't think you can hitch your wagon to this guy to make the tough yardage.
hazeydavey  
Patrick77 : 9/9/2013 12:52 pm : link
I don't think it is unfair at all. The way he is "trying" to block is a terrible technique, he isn't even going for their knees, he is lowering his head and diving at the rusher's ankles. And he tries that pretty much exclusively. So either he is being taught an awful technique or he is consciously deciding to do what he knows is not the proper technique and risk his quarterback's health instead of squaring up and at least attempting block correctly.
Eric I disagree  
hudson : 9/9/2013 12:52 pm : link
I think JR gambled by not having any real experienced backs.

Wilson should have been a 1a where he could help on ST.
Instead with Brown gone his role is way way to high being the all purpose back with nobody to spot or help out.

I think he'd and the Giants are better if he could be supplemented by an experienced back for short yards/blocking.
I think he is basically going from 0-60 and it's too much.
imo, it a combo of things  
micky : 9/9/2013 12:53 pm : link
Giants are missing Brown, who can run between the tackles and push the pile (short yardage) even with this porous OL.

Wilson lacks the protecting (ball and picking up blocks) Scott just doesn't seem to the ability, esp with this OOL playing poorly (for the most part).

fkap  
hazydavey : 9/9/2013 12:53 pm : link
If the Giants thought so little of Wilson, they would not have cut Bradshaw, their leading rusher and only experienced RB, and signed....well, exactly no one to replace him.

The Giants believe in Wilson. It's way too early to give up on this kid.
Good to read  
jLefty : 9/9/2013 12:55 pm : link
some perspective and sort of support for Wilson. Would like to see an RB signing though.
...  
SamTheTram : 9/9/2013 12:57 pm : link
They both deserve another shot. Now they have some real game tape to analyze with Scott, and Wilson is a home run threat whenevers he's on the field
Bradshaw wiffed on blocks last year also  
Mike L. : 9/9/2013 12:59 pm : link
every running back misses blocks occasionlly. I remeber Eli ripped Bradshaw for missing a block in New Orleans a few years ago. It's magnified with Wilson because he's an untested 2nd year guy who has had issues with it in practice. If he doens't improve with playing time, then the Gaints we'll need to move on. In regards to Tiki's first few years, I remember people claimoring for cutting him and signing Larry Flowers. I think Wilson will get it with time. On the goal line play, I thought the half assed play action was pathetic - why don't we really try to sell it?
Im sorry  
greenzone? : 9/9/2013 1:02 pm : link
but until the giants figure out how to run block you could bring AP in here and he would suck. Wilson is a fast, elusive kid. Discarding him this early is a mistake.
Yea I mean don't dump Wilson  
hudson : 9/9/2013 1:05 pm : link
But this is a quantom leap from a change of pace/ST back to now being the full time, all purpose back.

Too much.
He needs a complement to help him on 3rd downs, limit his carries to 15-20.
Asking him to be a 20+ all purpose down back, way way to much.
Easy to claim  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2013 1:08 pm : link
second guessing, but there were a lot of people who felt Wilson, Brown, and Cox (with or without Scott) was a risky RB group.

I think they need a veteran and I thought they did after the 53-man roster was announced and Brown was not yet on IR, and once he went on IR I thought it was sure a veteran RB would be signed. If it's one who can fill the 3rd down back role (good blocker, good hands) too, then great, but there has to be another option.

money is the reason one wasn't here before last nights game.
Wilson needs spot duty  
OlyWAJintsFan : 9/9/2013 1:10 pm : link
until he shows he can hold onto the football. Outside of the nightmare screen, Scott was showing me more than I expected. I think that both have some value and its too early to give up on them, however, the lack of a dependable running game is going to change our offensive strategy. I just hope the OL can step up and prevent Eli from getting killed. Unfortunately, two of the weapons for slowing a pass rush - screens and draws, now play into a weakness.
Oly Agreed  
hudson : 9/9/2013 1:14 pm : link
He is best as a change of pace 10-15 carries ST back NOT in the Adrian Peterson role of being a full time 3 down back.
I worry more about his psyche than his fumbles  
Aaron in MA : 9/9/2013 1:24 pm : link
We cant lose the kid mentally right now, and he looked lost last night. We have to find a way to get him some confidence early against the Broncos, whether that's him returning kicks which he seems like he loves to do, or just figuring what his favorite plays are and pound them. But I think they need to show him that they are with him and behind him.

I DO however think a Vet is needed this week. I am all for BJ if hes healthy and in shape.
I'd stick  
Paul in Brooklyn : 9/9/2013 1:37 pm : link
with Wilson and Scott as well.

I really think Wilson will be fine once he settles in. And we've already committed to Wilson this season. Nothing good is going to come from completely changing direction 1 game into the season.
Meh, no thanks.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/9/2013 1:39 pm : link
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Wilson  
Marty866b : 9/9/2013 1:46 pm : link
I just don't see him as the every down back. His blocking, of lack of, concerns me as much as his fumbling. He is just so explosive that you have to stick with him but he has to WANT to block better. Brown's injury is a killer and that's not saying he's so great but he is a good short yardage runner and will be missed.I think the Giants sign Dwyer tomorrow. I'd be very surprised if we don't add a runner.
that's just it  
djm : 9/9/2013 1:54 pm : link
I really haven't seen what Wilson can do. The guy had one shining moment last year and it was against the most dysfunctional defense in NFL history, the Saints.

Wilson hasn't shown me anymore than George Adams did in the early to mid 80s. As of now, he's a fast guy that can't play football on a consistent level. He's a coach killer until proven otherwise.

There's a reason why I was praying for Andre Brown to stay healthy. He's the best RB on this team by a very very wide margin. Wilson is shite until he proves me wrong. Can't block. Can't run with any consistency and is an emotional wreck when he fumbles. Lovely. Just what this team needs.

When Wilson actually shows legit talent in a real game against a legit team, I'll acknowledge that he has #1 RB ability. Until then, he's a backup scat back type that should be playing special teams.
Couple things  
TrueBlue : 9/9/2013 1:56 pm : link
Rbs can block. Wilson does not. To be successful you have to attack the defender. The defender will usually get blocked off the snap by an ol and then released before the ol goes to the next level or it will be one on one blitz pickup. When the defender gets chipped the rb can already be moving to make the hit on someone who is off balance or stationary.

If hes taking someone one on one, the outmost lineman will usually take the outmost pass rusher. This will create a narrow lane. If the rb attacks the gap the defender will have nowhere to go side to side and should get blown up.

When the rb sits in the pocket the defender will build speed and can go around or through you. Wilson plays scared and sits back waiting for the contact to come to him and lays down at their ankles. He doesnt have the intensity to be an everydown back. Bradshaw and jacobs played intense, you can see wilsons lack of confidence and his passiveness. He has done nothing to prove he is starting rb in this league.

Wilson can be a 3rd down change of pace back right now but until he changes his attitude all the speed in the world wont save him
Also there is no guarantee  
TrueBlue : 9/9/2013 1:58 pm : link
Brown will be back this year. There is no guarantee if he does he will stay healthy. Wilson could also get hurt. A vet like mcgahee is worth the roster spot
The play where Eli had to run with the ball  
Mason : 9/9/2013 1:59 pm : link
was a blown option play to Wilson, because he failed to pick up the blitzer while he was rolling out. Eli was forced to leave the pocket and was passed the LOS so he had to run for it. Wilson stood there watching Eli run, LOL he just stood there. At least get out in front and try to block for your QB at that point. You just don't become a spectator.

Is it possible to upload that Eli run. In the game review, please take a close look at that play. It demonstrates he has a long way to go with instinct of the position. Of course, no one is expecting him to be perfect but there is a difference in making a mistake and recovering because the action is still going on vs. lacking instinct at the position.
Wilson  
BigBlueCane : 9/9/2013 1:59 pm : link
is what he is. Tiki had a different background and different coaching culture in college.

by no means am I saying to discard Wilson  
djm : 9/9/2013 1:59 pm : link
but he is NOT ready for prime time. And I don't feel like torpedoing a season while we get this kid his on the job training. Too much is at stake. Fuck his 50 yard runs against the Saints. We need a real man at RB. A guy that can get 3.8 yards every time he touches the ball and won't suffer an emotional fucking breakdown after a fumble. JFC...only the fucking Giants..

ONe day Wilson may be a CJ2K type...maybe even better but he's a long way off as of now. Why did Brown have to get hurt....FUCK!
We are not asking WIlson to be a Offensive lineman back  
Tuckrule : 9/9/2013 2:00 pm : link
there but the fact that he continues to go low and frankly sucks at it and he never stands there and takes the blitzed head on. Even if he gets plowed over that would be a step in the right direction.
If I am Reese and Coughlin  
djm : 9/9/2013 2:02 pm : link
I am treating the RB situation like it's a crisis. I panic. I do whatever it takes to get someone in here who can play the position at a professional level. I think Scott is ok as the #2-3 guy but this team needs a legit RB. NY doesn't even need to run the ball for 150 yards a game...but they need a guy in here that can run for 5 yards once in a while.

I'd trade, steal, or cheat my way to get a RB in here. And now.

If we fail to make the playoffs because of a crisis at RB that would just be an absolute embarrassment. Fix it. Now.
Agree with you:  
Bob in Newburgh : 9/9/2013 2:03 pm : link
Scott: Unless you have seen that play in practice dozens of time, there is no way to know that he turned late. It is just as likely that Eli threw early.

Wilson: It is not like those are whimpy blow on you type fumbles. Giants might help him out and slow down the blitz stuff by having him occasionally move like he is picking up the blitz and just have Manning buy one step and dump it off to him. This guy should scare the crap out of opponents when he has the ball and space before first possible contact.
he certainly scares the crap out of me  
djm : 9/9/2013 2:41 pm : link
..
Wilson needs a mentor  
Steve in South Jersey : 9/9/2013 2:44 pm : link
a veteran RB who can block and fill the 3rd down back role.
Personally...  
Vinny from Danbury : 9/9/2013 3:04 pm : link
I blame Wilson's problems on the coaches who refused to give him game time last year when Bradshaw could have helped him more. Now we are forced to deal with his growing pains this year with no veteran backs in place to mentor him. As far as I'm concerned Wilson will be fine once he gets more games under his belt and gains some much needed NFL experience. But there is no doubt there will continue to be growing pains with him for now.

Scott on the other hand has never shown me a single thing to make me believe he can be a good RB in the NFL. I have no problem at all with cutting him for a veteran free agent. In fact, it's what I'd like to see happen if a suitable veteran can be found.
Steve in South Jersey  
Joey from GlenCove : 9/9/2013 3:07 pm : link
Sounds like number 27 to me
Management freaked this up royally  
GMANinDC : 9/9/2013 4:28 pm : link
First by having Brown playing in a meaningless 4th pre-season game instead of letting Scott, Torrain and Cox play. Then compound that by not having a veteran player on the roster to compliment a player with known Pass-pro issues and some fumbling.

Stupidity all around. That being said, you need to find a veteran to take some carries, be a 3rd down back, and show these guys how to pass protect. Fumbling is something that can be cured, if Wilson does not lose confidence..
Slow the H### down.....  
dguy901 : 9/9/2013 8:28 pm : link
It was a complete nightmare game, Coughlin, Gilbride, OL, TE's, RB's and Eli blew that game! Eli was responsible for all 3 INT's, don't even try to put that INT on Scott. He surely couldn't run the ball due to the OL play as well as the Dallas D. Tiki fumbled twice in a game and look at what he went on and did. It is clear Coughlin is in panic mode and they clearly are going to bring a RB in for better or worse. Eli had poor protection from the OL and DW left him out to dry. The OL didn't open holes, finish blocks and where were the OL mbrs driving DW forward and helping him get down when the 3-4 cowboys basically held him up while they clawed at the ball. What ever happened to the whistle when forward progress has been stopped! Look for a huge bounce back next monday night. JMHO.
Stick with Wilson...  
Torrag : 9/9/2013 8:40 pm : link
..definitely. We've seen TC transform a talented back with fumble-itis before. Tiki was awful with ball protection at one point. The key is the player has to have the want to. I believe DW wants to succeed and has the work ethic to get where he needs to be.

Scott is another scenario. I agree he has some athletic tools. The issue for me is we're inexperienced starting Wilson. With Scott ss his running mate we become dangerously so. I doubt he would have even made this roster if Brown stays healthy. If one of the backs they are trying out can bring some leadership and the ability to contribute I'd prefer to go in that direction.
Another point regarding the Giants backfield...  
Torrag : 9/9/2013 8:44 pm : link
...slightly off topic. It was a mistake to push Hynoski into the week 1 lineup. He may have passed his physical but he clearly didn't get enough reps to be effective in the game. He wasn't ready. That is entirely on the coaching staff. They would have been better served to slow him down a week and play Bear. against Dallas.
I'd give Wilson, Scott and Cox each some reps and see who  
Ira : 9/9/2013 8:45 pm : link
gets things done.
Dguy  
LPete : 9/9/2013 8:46 pm : link
Errr...Scott admitted the final int was on him.
I don't think either is going anywhere  
Some Fan : 9/9/2013 10:59 pm : link
but goddam Wilson should be on a half inch leash and I would bring in a vet.
I agree with djm  
Some Fan : 9/9/2013 11:04 pm : link
We are in crisis mode at RB and that is why a parade of RBs are being looked at. These are not ST players. These are guys to play from the LOS that they are bringing in to workout.
Stick with the young guys  
Torn Tendon : 9/9/2013 11:06 pm : link
I don't think there is FA that will turn the running game around like Otis Anderson did so long ago.

Wilson has awesome skills, he just needs experience and to get stronger. Tiki said getting his upper body stronger is what helped him.
By the time he gets stronger, we'll be watching  
Some Fan : 9/9/2013 11:08 pm : link
the playoffs on TV without the Giants in them. We need a real RB now.
Thanks for the chuckle, dudes  
JonC : 9/10/2013 8:50 am : link
Rough day at work yesterday, got tied up.

bc, I had met AB a few years ago and we were literally the same size, so I was informing via frame of reference. I was a pretty good tailback back in the day!

I'd hoped we'd retain AB for another year, but his feet were really worrying the team from what I'd heard.
Too early to give up on them, but you still need veteran presence  
GloryDayz : 9/10/2013 8:56 am : link
For leadership, experience... in film room and on the sidelines between drives. Pretty sure Wilson's confidence is totally shot right now.

And of course, you need the vet out there in key situations.

The reason why Brown played in that game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/10/2013 9:11 am : link
is because according to Tom, he didn't look good.

How does a player get ready for the season by not playing? You can't put every player in bubble wrap just because you're afraid of guys going down. What good would Brown be as a backup in real games if he were unprepared to play?
I Agree, Eric  
Pat from Inside Football : 9/10/2013 9:24 am : link
If you fall, you need to get back on the horse. If you bench Wilson, you run the risk of him losing any confidence he has in himself.

I think whoever the new RB is will be for insurance as if you think about it, who did the Giants have to turn to after Wilson fumbled? Just Scott because Cox isn't ready yet to take snaps on offense.

If I'm TC, I tell Wilson, "Look, I'm giving you another chance here. If yoiu screw up, you're toast." Put it all on the young man's shoulders and hope that he thinks, "Ok coach, I'm not going to let you down this time."
one thing was clear  
bc4life : 9/10/2013 9:46 am : link
in the post game interviews - both kids took the mistakes to heart - to the brink of tears and then some
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