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Jerry Reese needs some blame

djstat : 9/9/2013 12:49 pm
I know Jerry is the GM who has helped us get to two Super Bowls over the last six years. However, the 2007 SB belongs to Ernie Accorsi as much if not more than Jerry Reese.

Tha said, during last night's game, all I could think of is why Jerry has left us so thin at many critical positions:

OL, LB and RB to be exact.

We have not made significant additions to our OL since Reese arrived until this year. Our LB are a disgrace, although they play hard. The RB situation is just awful in that we do not have a reliable RB.

I love Jerry but if everyone is on notice this year then he has to be held accountable also.

That said, we turned the ball over six times and still only lost by 5, still had 500 yards of offense and scored 31 pts.
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Well he just drafted Pugh  
Mike L. : 9/9/2013 1:04 pm : link
when many on this sight said it was a mistake. What kind of shape would this team be in without Justin Pugh right now???
Naahhh, Jerry and Ozzie both suck.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/9/2013 1:04 pm : link
They're both 0-1, right? And the lack of depth in Baltimore at TE, OL, WR and DB? Disgraceful. Clearly, Reese and Newsome should both be digging ditches.

Just to address the OP: Why does Jerry Reese need some blame? How would he use it if the Maras gave it to him? How would it make the Giants a better team? I think what you mean is, you need to blame Jerry Reese. That's fine; he's the boss, and the buck stops with him (or John Mara). But if you're going to blame him for every loss and every hole in the roster, what's up with attributing the SB XLII title to Ernie Accorsi?
Used to think Reese did a solid job  
ghost718 : 9/9/2013 1:07 pm : link
Now I think he's just overrated.

He's kinda heading in the wrong direction.
Jerry is a better GM than Coughlin is a coach  
oipolloi : 9/9/2013 1:07 pm : link
and Coughlin is a fine coach

biggest knock on Jerry this year is keeping Snee but that probably had more to do with politics than personel
AcidTest : 9/9/2013 1:07 pm : link
a top five GM who has won two SBs in a little more than five years. He warrants a lot of respect. Has he made mistakes? You bet. Here are a few: Sintim, Barden, Beckum, Austin, Jernigan, and not having any credible LBs. But he's also given us a lot of great players, and a lot of GMs have done a lot worse. Most fans of most other teams would be thrilled to have Reeese as their GM.
Big Blue '56 : 9/9/2013 1:07 pm : link
since you brought it up, is there any more of an egregious error than Newsome deciding not to re-sign a still quite viable Boldin to a reasonable contract? THAT was stupid, but because I respect ON's overall body of work a good deal, I didn't harp on it all that much. But, it was really an incompetent decision imv
great GM  
JOMO25 : 9/9/2013 1:09 pm : link
and what he has done at RB has been great for years

Agree that LB spot has been awful and the type of OL player that may be smart/reliable etc. but isn't the type of mauler that wins one on one battles (i.e. the kind that allow you to win on 3rd and 1).

But again, great GM.
And I think Ozzie  
Jerry in DC : 9/9/2013 1:09 pm : link
who is obviously a very good GM made a big mistake, at least for this year. He now has a $20 million QB, but not a guy who can carry an offense with marginal receivers (there aren't many of those guys). He's given the QB nothing to throw to this year and their passing game is probably going to be ineffective, or average-ish at best.

If you've got $20 million at QB, unless you're racking up lots of cap-wins with cheap guys, you really need a good passing game that's among the strongest parts of the team. It's not going to happen in Baltimore this year.
stretch234 : 9/9/2013 1:11 pm : link
Give me 1 team in the NFL with OL depth - it does not exist in this league.

You can't address everything in a salary cap era. Again with the LB's, who is this long list of LB we keep passing on in the draft or FA that is tearing the league up.

Reese, Newsome, Thompson and Colbert are all at the top - there is no best, but a group of 4 or 5 who are clearly better than others
he's not a dunce  
fkap : 9/9/2013 1:12 pm : link
but he isn't the godlike figure some here make him out to be. We've got a franchise QB, and a team that is basically middle of the road.
He should have had a vet proven back  
hudson : 9/9/2013 1:13 pm : link
Like McGhee or as in 07 Droughns.

He instead banked on Wilson making a quantom leap, Brown being healthy, and two scrubs.
stretch, perhaps you should start a thread  
Big Blue '56 : 9/9/2013 1:13 pm : link
asking, "What stud LBs have been available to us that Reese has passed on?"
I think he's done a good job with the secondary  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/9/2013 1:16 pm : link
If they were at full strength, it was a solid unit. 4 deep at the safety with Hill and 4 deep at the corners with Thomas and Ross.

The issue is that Reese prioritizes WR/RB/CB/DL over all other positions. So that will leave gaps at OL/LB/TE, which he tries to fill with FA or projects. It hasn't worked in recent years, and the gaps have become exaggerated.
the biggest knock on Reese  
oipolloi : 9/9/2013 1:17 pm : link
is that big ticket free agent signings have not worked out that well, especially Baas. Rolle has but overall his record in that area is not stellar.

But other than that, he is excellent.
Big Blue '56 : 9/9/2013 1:18 pm : link
when able to play at or near 100%, I think Canty and Boley signings were good ones, even if the market dictated that they be overpaid
overpaid at the time  
Big Blue '56 : 9/9/2013 1:19 pm : link
stretch234 : 9/9/2013 1:19 pm : link
If there was a list to do that I would - outside of Bowman who is there.

The LB of past that so many on BBI wanted as FA such as Lofton, Ryans, Tulloch have done nothing
NYBEN : 9/9/2013 1:21 pm : link
he will sign a vet back now that they do not have to pay the entire year salary if they decide to cut him one Brown comes back.Was it a 1 game gamble ?Probably ...but if we had pulled the game out last night no one would be so quick to blame Jerry for anything
The Giants and Reese have had much success  
jayg5 : 9/9/2013 1:30 pm : link
but let's not call him the best gm in football. Reese has NEVER picked a Head Coach and has NEVER has to worry about drafting a Franchise QB.
never had  
jayg5 : 9/9/2013 1:32 pm : link
not has
don't forget reese's  
japanhead : 9/9/2013 1:46 pm : link
seeming fixation with drafting not-ready-for-backup-duty QB projects in ever-higher rounds that wind up getting cut, and quickly. andre woodson (6th), rhett bomahr (5th), and ryan nassib (4th). why not just find a solid vet backup ala kyle orton and call it a day on that position? and that is in addition to the awful whiffs of sintim, kehl, dillard, and various others mentioned earlier.

i also concur that he seems to be going in the wrong direction as of late. its pretty clear this years team is far weaker than the 2007-2012 versions, and there were some awful years interspersed in that time frame as well (cc brown, aaron rouse, bill sheridan).

and reese currently has so much money tied up in the baas-snee contracts it will likely be difficult to retain solid core guys like nicks and joseph. so it's not just whiffing too often in the drafts, it's also questionable allocation of cap dollars. i've been one of snee's biggest fans, but 11 million dollars for a right guard is just awful, especially when that player appears to clearly be the worst of the 5 starting OL.
If Snee is on the team because of politics  
ligmen : 9/9/2013 1:50 pm : link
over talent at this age. Then whoever made that call needs to be held accountable, that would be inexcusable. I personally think Snee has some left in the tank. I just next year he needs to restructure or get cut.
he stepped into a made bed  
Enzo : 9/9/2013 1:58 pm : link
has he been bad? Not even close. But I don't think he's proven he deserves to be considered in the same group as the elite team builders either.
I think not having a vet in camp other than Torrain  
Giantfan in skinland : 9/9/2013 2:03 pm : link
was a whiff. That's with the benefit of hindsight of course....but true nonetheless.

Banking on health from A. Brown is very clearly a gamble. Nobody, including Reese, is surprised that he got banged up again. And it was very clear the moment he went down that the only legitimate option was to give Wilson the whole load. I just think that's a very poor decision.

I'd have to go back and look at who was out there this summer to give a fully informed critique....but was there really nobody who could come in and provide more than Darell Scott/Ryan Torrain?
BigBlueCane : 9/9/2013 2:05 pm : link
bailed Reese out, with some of the vet signings. Boothe literally has saved the OL from being a bigger tire fire then it is currently.
the canty and boley  
japanhead : 9/9/2013 2:15 pm : link
signings were great ones. the giants won their 2nd SB in the manning era in large part because of their contributions. reese rightly parted ways when health and cost issues caught up to them. he hasn't done the same with baas-snee-rolle who collectively take up 25 million in cap space. the question is, why?

i believe had the chad jones draft pick worked out, rolle would not currently be on the team. as for snee and baas, it seems to be a combination of neglecting the OL position in the draft (selecting clint sintim over max ungar, for example) and nepotism (paying the declining right guard 11 million because he's the coaches relative). the nepotism claim is obviously speculative, but by my admittedly layman's eye, snee played particularly poorly last night, as he did most all of last season.
If you think its nepotism re Snee, please tell us who they cut  
Victor in CT : 9/9/2013 2:19 pm : link
that was better in order to keep him. Who is Diehl's father in law in management.
i think  
japanhead : 9/9/2013 2:30 pm : link
coughlin's loyalty to aging vets despite their clearly declining level of play is at work there, same as it was with diehl, and bradshaw (who he rode into the ground last season, despite having wilson available as a change of pace back).

i think reese opted not to part with snee despite his prohibitive cap hit because of 1) respect for coughlin and his family, and 2) not investing enough resources into the OL beyond further hamstringing the cap with baas' contract. again, the nepotism angle is speculative on my part. i am not making a definitive claim on the matter.
Bring back Spags  
bignygfan : 9/9/2013 2:34 pm : link
Spags is a genius who will solve all our problems.

every GM makes mistakes  
GiantsFan84 : 9/9/2013 2:59 pm : link
the great ozzie newsome has terrible receivers on that team and traded boldin to boot. that doesn't look too smart today. they also have no tight ends due to injuries (sounds familiar to the giants RB situation)

the packers have a terrible offensive line and terrible defense but have the best QB on this planet to make up for their deficiencies. and until this year they have had terrible RBs
stretch234 : 9/9/2013 3:00 pm : link
You do realize his contract was done when he was 1 of the top G in the league knowing full well there was a chance that the back loaded contract would hurt. In 2008-11 you can make the case he was underpaid.
Terrific GM who is  
SanFranGiantsFan : 9/9/2013 3:06 pm : link
not infalliable.
CapeGman : 9/9/2013 3:13 pm : link
had been thinking before the season started that management/coaching staff was using bad judgement at RB.

You have a near rookie that has a track record of having fumblitis and another back who has a big history of leg injuries. Also at least one of them is not proven in pass protection.

I think it was a bad move to not keep Bradshaw before last nights game. Bad wheels and all he is a gamer.

I'd be happy if they brought Jacobs back if he is in football shape just to help keep Eli safe and for leadership/mentoring.
japanhead : 9/9/2013 3:14 pm : link
usually players are cut before the painfully costly years of these backloaded contracts hit the cap, yes? or, as a show of good faith, they're asked to take a pay cut and remain with the team. this is exactly what happened with webster. he had a down year in 2012 due in part to injuries, was slated to make 8+ million this year, was asked to take a pay cut to remain with the team, and did.

i don't know if snee was approached with a similar proposition and declined to take a pay cut knowing reese wasn't comfortable enough with the depth at OG to outright cut him, or what. if this is the case, it speaks to a lack of forward planning in regard to the OL more generally. but i acknowledge it's been a bit of a tough unit to address, with seubert and o'hara departing the same year. and i certainly give reese credit for drafting beatty and gradually phasing diehl out at LT.
The brain trust here  
Randy in CT : 9/9/2013 3:22 pm : link
has nailed down the one specific area that is the problem for the Giants? And it is the GM that is considered one of the best in the business? That's precious.

Can everyone please stop overreacting? Let's see what happens Sunday.
yeah and if we drafted lbs and oline  
nathan2421 : 9/9/2013 3:23 pm : link
We wouldn't have nicks, hosley, prince, or randle. Thus making us weak at corner and receiver. Its difficult to field a competitive all around team, when 1/5 of the salary goes to the qb. Every team that's paying a good qb has a weakness. Classic bbi overreaction to a lose. We lost by 5 with 6 turnovers. Jesus
sometimes the low and mid-round picks don't work out. It happens.  
Victor in CT : 9/9/2013 4:02 pm : link
go back to 2001, they get Seubert UDFA, 2003 Diehl in Rd 5, 2004 O'Hara as an FA, 2005 Snee in Round 2, Kareem McK as FA. So a stellar line cost only one high pick.

Now look at the last few years since 2009. Baas is the the lone FA. Maybe the worst JR signing since he's been GM.

As for the draftees: Beatty 2009 rd 2 has become a solid LT. 2010 Petrus Rd 5, 2011 Brewer Rd 4, 2012 Moseley Rd 4 and McCants Rd6, 2013 Pugh Rd 1, Herman Rd 7. Of this group, Pugh looks like a player, Brewer is playing but iffy. The rest are gone.

So, since 2009, 6 draftees, 1 confirmed starter in Beatty, 1 rookie starter in Pugh. One big maybe in Brewer (I hope he makes it. No UFDA finds, one bust FA in Baas.

If Brewer doesn't develop into a player, look for another high pick at OL. And maybe even if he does pan out. Snee needs to be replaced and they will need a Center sooner rather than later.

Too much blame goes to Reese and coaching  
cheeseburger : 9/9/2013 4:05 pm : link
the players are on the field making millions. our guys are just inconsistent, its that simple.
Ozzie traded away Boldin  
Blueballz : 9/9/2013 4:28 pm : link
for a 6th round pick and a bag of potato chips.
It comes down to expectations...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/9/2013 4:37 pm : link
in many cases when commenting on a GM. People see weak spots on the roster and naturally place blame for not addressing them, but those same people rarely say, "You know, the QB, WR and DL positions are stacked!".

There are unrealistic expectations about a lot of the roster makeup, espeically once cap implications come into play. Optimus has done a great job is explaining how the cap has come into play. For instance, Reese signing a RB prior to week 1 wasn't feasible because then the team is on the hook for his full year salary.

Furthermore, fans often look at rosters as if they are still in the pre-salary cap landscape, and this is the exact atmosphere that produces the dynamic where holes in certain positions are damned, but excellence at positions is expected.
roster is numbers thin at S, RB, and LB, but not OL  
xtian : 9/9/2013 5:27 pm : link
the roster is always a gamble somewhere--though we know S will be ok after 4-game suspension is over for will hill. 1 of those spots is because we are carrying 3 QBs for this year only. reese was already looking at other RBs before the dallas game, so 1 might be signed, but the problem isn't numbers, injuries, or talent, just inexperience. wilson should still play because he is dynamic. remember tiki had fumbling problems and look how he turned out as a runner--terrific!
you guys know that there are only 7 picks per draft and  
dvb : 9/9/2013 8:14 pm : link
that Reese is limited by something called the salary cap? Not saying Reese is perfect, but there's only so much a GM these days can do. Some here have said Ozzie Newsome is the best GM in the biz. How many SBs has he won in the last 10 years? ONE.

Some of the same guys whining today were whining after we lost our first 2 games of '07. Chill out, it's a long season.
of the 7 picks per draft  
dvb : 9/9/2013 8:17 pm : link
you're really doing well if about 3 of them turn out to be solid.
the nfl is set up today to make it very difficult to build a dynasty  
dvb : 9/9/2013 8:21 pm : link
we've won 2 of the last 6 and I am not giving up after the first game of the season. Which, btw, they were in despite a ridiculous number of TOs that I'm sure Coughlin and staff will correct. Chill out, people.
japanhead : 9/9/2013 10:22 pm : link
another reason why drafting late round developmental QBs seems to be a misinformed draft strategy. another problem is likely that it appears to take years to learn the offensive system.
what area on this team is stacked?  
fkap : 9/10/2013 8:59 am : link
WR. That's it. 3 good-great players, and absolutely nothing after them. But there's 3.

No other area on this team is considered stacked.

DL is maybe considered solid.

I looked up drafting history the last 5-7 years. It's one or two good - great hits, and 5 spectacular misses every year. That's a problem. the draft is either a homerun or a strikeout. no in between. It's why the OL is a mess, it's why the safety situation is a mess. It's why the CB is a big question mark. It's why the RB is a ? It's why the TE is a ? It's why the the LB is a ?

Let's face it. This team is, and has been a consistent 8-8 team +/- a game. Beats being a bottom dweller every year. But it also doesn't make me think we're competing for the title this year, or any year.
I think we're viewing the Giants in prism  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/10/2013 9:09 am : link
as if other teams don't have the same problem.

Name a team and I'll show you it's questionmarks and draft failures.

The Cowboys haven't been able to draft at OL for 15 years.

Bill Belichick's defensive backs are a mess, defense hasn't been stable in years. They just cut their 21st overall pick from the 2011 draft.

The Green Bay Packers have a suspect, questionmark-filled defense that allows yards and points and doesn't get stops.
You can blame JR for LBers and OL, but not RB  
GloryDayz : 9/10/2013 9:35 am : link
Picked Wilson in 1st round, had Brown who pretty decent when healthy, brought in Torain, not to mention Scott and Cox.

At RB, it's on the coaches... They watch practice and evaluate players on the roster. If they didn't think Wilson and Scott are ready, why let Torain go and go with youth possibly too soon.
damdevs : 9/10/2013 11:10 am : link
the reality is it's on the Reese. He is the GM and the ultimate decision maker of this roster.

It's the Organization as a whole that is actually helps Reese out. From Marc Ross and the scouting department they are the ones doing the dirty work to help Reese with the draft, FA calling out Reese on the lack of quality depth like people have isn't total correct, but like I said he is ultimately responsible for it.

With the coaches input Reese decided that we were set at the RB position with Wilson, Scott and Cox. What chaps my ass is that they knew that we didn't have a RB, NOT ONE F'N RB, on the roster that can pass protect. How do you go into a game knowing this and do nothing about it? Especially when we are so reliant on the RB to be able to help protect Eli.

They had over a week since Brown went down to do something and they choose do do shit. If you knew that this was a problem and you choose to just ignore it then I've got a huge problem.

Other do you go into the season with 5 LB and 3 safeties? Yet we carry 4 TE???

Conner goes down and it leaves us with the WORST MLB that is still on a NFL roster to play. Great story, but I'm sorry Herzlich shouldn't be on our roster.

Just thank our lucky stars that Mundy didn't come out of the game after that collision with Price. Taylor is NOWHERE close to being ready to play and that would've been scary as hell if he had to play more than the one play that he did.

We played with fire in the first game and got burned.

Btw, I can't help but think that our salary cap situation didn't come into play with some of my feelings above.
damdevs... GM makes final call, but  
GloryDayz : 9/10/2013 3:33 pm : link
Very seldom do they force a player the HC doesnt want, or let go of a player the HC wants... unless of course there are cap issues, or drafted players on rookie contract.

I'd imagine the way it works, once the player is signed its the coaches who grade players and decide on the build up of the roster.

In his pressers leading up to the game TC was complimentary of Scott, talked about how strong he ran against the Pats, and to me it sounded genuine, not some corporate line. I think TC made the decision, or at least was a part of the decision.
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