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blueblood'11 : 9/10/2013 8:32 am
Well documented now. Giants are trying out running backs and rightfully so. But really how much do any of these cast offs have left? I was thinking back to when the Giants picked up O.J. Anderson when everyone thought he was pretty much flamed out for his career. However, due to the inactivity he was actually refreshed and rejuvinated and we all know what happened next.

I'm hoping the same is true of any of these backs they are bringing in to shore up the group. The thing they have in their favor is I don't see the Giants bringing in these guys to be every down backs but to share some of the responsibilities. That's if the Giants are enamored enough to take a flier on one them.

Dotino said  
mattlawson : 9/10/2013 8:35 am : link
Michael turner is out of shape. It can happen on the couch
I think the only reality I see is two fold  
Blue Blood : 9/10/2013 8:44 am : link
they sign Jacobs.. or they sign no one..
They cut Ojomo  
Beer Man : 9/10/2013 8:49 am : link
so they will be signing someone.
Jacobs is toast and was before he left.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/10/2013 8:50 am : link
He's also a big mouth with empty words, all under the guise of rah-rah, I'm gonna ignite the team..Which he rarely did..

There are RBs that can protect Eli and actually have at least some leftover skill at running the ball. BJ is no threat on offense..

However, if TC wants him here, I will fully back that move as a fan, because TC and Reese can do little wrong in my eyes..
I'm not an Instagram guy but after hearing about Jacobs posting videos  
BlueHurricane : 9/10/2013 8:52 am : link
Of his workouts I decided to look him up on Instagram. He is in amazing shape and looks awesome. I would be shocked if he is not signed today. Go look it up. Dude has been training pretty hard and just ran a 4.4 40 yard dash.
Brandon Jacobs didn't run a 4.4 in college  
Rocky369 : 9/10/2013 8:56 am : link
but if his looks turn you on, then go for it.
While I'm not happy with the last memories of BJ  
Sec 103 : 9/10/2013 8:57 am : link
He can block the crap outta a blitzing LB any day.
If it's true he's working out and in decent shape, wouldn't mind seeing him back...
But that tiptoeing into the line made me sick back then...
Big men gotta hit the hole hard
We have to  
TMS : 9/10/2013 8:58 am : link
work with Wilson and get him back on the field. We did it with Tiki. Lets do it again.
Lightining in a bottle  
NewBlue : 9/10/2013 9:07 am : link
Would be McGahee but the knee is the big if. His injury history parallels Andre Brown so that is a concern. But if you want the most recent productive player not on an NFL roster (knee the concern) it seems to me McGahee
As TMS said, the real solution here is to work with Wilson  
Duke : 9/10/2013 9:07 am : link
but that said, if BJ can pick up the blitz, that will go a long way. I'm in the camp of thinking BJ was done when he left. He barely played in SF and if he is truly in great shape, then perhaps he has been rejuvenated al la OJ Anderson.

Need to trust TC/Reese to evaluate and if he can help us, welcome back!
Looking at the depth not sure...  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 9/10/2013 9:08 am : link
not sure why there is opposition to Jacobs.

If healthy, he can a least block. That alone can get him on the field in obvious passing situations. It gives the offense and little more consistency and a little less explosion.

Wilson can still have a big impact if we bring in a vet.

I'm ok with jacobs blocking if it helps pass protection and Nicks, Cruz, Randle, and Myers are running around the field.
agree with TMS  
andrew_nyg : 9/10/2013 9:08 am : link
but in the meantime, can we have a back on the field who can pass pro on passing downs so Eli doesn't get killed?!
Jacobs is exactly what this team needs  
Gordo : 9/10/2013 9:11 am : link
short yardage, leader, and hungry. im actually excited about it, at least we know what we have in jacobs
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Big Blue '56 : 9/10/2013 9:15 am : link
If we bring in a vet, I'm pulling for McGahee because he can pass pro AND run..I became quite tired of 1st and 10 quicklu becoming 2nd and 12 when BJ ran it..Sure, every now and then a 140 pound guy wouldn't stop him short of the LOS and he'd break one..Few and very far between..

quicklu=quickly  
Big Blue '56 : 9/10/2013 9:16 am : link
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What did...  
2ndroundKO : 9/10/2013 9:16 am : link
Kevin Smith do to the league?? Don't understand why he's out of work but I'll take him.
Gordo  
andrew_nyg : 9/10/2013 9:22 am : link
I agree with everything you wrote EXCEPT short yardage. For some reason Jake wasn't all that good in short yardage...Ironically, he was good in space and could bust one now and then.

I always attributed it to the fact that (if you looked closely) his running style was peculiar in that his feet never came that high off the ground.
I expect whoever they sign...  
Torrag : 9/10/2013 9:22 am : link
...to be very good at picking up the blitz. Effective short yardage runner would be a bonus. IMO TC has no confidence that any of the current crop can protect Eli on 3rd down.
Here's the thing  
blueblood'11 : 9/10/2013 9:24 am : link
Wilson is so explosive he just adds an element to an offense that is clearly one of the most explosive in the league. Three one hundred yard receivers and it could have been four. Myers had 83. That is unheard of. To put him in the backfield by himself makes no sense at this point unless it is a running play. Then you become predictable.

Teams are going to blitz him if they sense a pass play so as to keep him in to protect and he sure as hell has not shown he even has a clue or is it guts to block a blitzing linebacker. Witness Eli getting blown up at the one yard line after the Mundy interception to the half yard line and then Wilson getting stuffed on first down. He is a great change up back who I believe is not and every down back. He can run like hell and the giants need to find a way to get him in space. Then pray he doesn't fumble.
Hopefully ...  
Csonka : 9/10/2013 9:24 am : link
my kid's Jacobs jersey still fits.
RB Choice  
Percy : 9/10/2013 9:26 am : link
Getting either Jacobs or McGahee under the circumstances would improve the backfield right away. Jacobs was sort of noisy, self-promoting, and underperforming during his last couple of years with the Giants. He didn't impress in SF either. None of that is true of McGahee, it seems, though I guess we don't know whether he ever really recovered from his injury. This is a recent Pro Bowl guy . Unless there's something physically wrong with him (even though we see, as with Jacobs, that no one is falling over themselves to pick him up, so there's some reason for that), McGahee looks like the choice to me.
'56  
AnishPatel : 9/10/2013 9:29 am : link
I agree with you. I am not a Jacobs fan so I am pulling for Willis. Of Jacobs is signed then so be it. I will root for him but I hope we go another direction.
Percy and Anish,  
Big Blue '56 : 9/10/2013 9:32 am : link
in my lay fan opinion, if McGahee's injury stuff is behind him at present, he'd be a no-brainer, certainly over Jacobs, imv
Do you guys think that Coughlin's benching Wilson  
Moondwg : 9/10/2013 9:34 am : link
will screw with his head? See any long term ramifications of this very obvious and public lack of confidence?
I don't know.....  
Doomster : 9/10/2013 9:36 am : link
It's written down as two fumbles....but it wasn't like he didn't secure the ball, he had a guy using two hands to yank that ball out, while he was fighting for extra yards.....in situations like that he has to be cognizant of the fact that defenders are going to do that, and stop fighting for extra yards and concentrate on holding onto the ball...

I'm amazed by the posts about him being a one trick pony....his biggest fault, is blocking...he has been in the NFL over a year now....and he is not only a poor blocker, he completely misses blocks....part of the problem, I think, is he doesn't position himself better, in anticipation of picking up a blitzer.....I mean he doesn't have to knock the guy down, just get in his way, divert him, slow him up....while not much, he is not even doing that....

He was embarrassed on national TV once again....I hope his head is in the right place.....Coughlin is trying to send a message.....but he knows Wilson is too valuable to be sitting on the bench....he has to be out there....he is not an every down back....but what he brings to the table, that quick strike ability, adds a needed dimension to this offense....without Brown, maybe too much pressure was put on him to carry the load....the first play int to him, might have set the stage for the rest of the night....
A player that intrigues me is Ray Graham  
Torrag : 9/10/2013 9:39 am : link
Having watched him play college ball. He not a big guy but he vied for a roster spot in Houston and was a late cut. Th Texans are stacked at RB and scout the position effectively. If this wasn't about adding a reliable pass protecting 3rd down back he'd make my shortlist on ability.
I second my boy Ray.  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 9/10/2013 9:47 am : link
Surprised he's not on a team. Always thought he was NFL material watching him play at Pitt.
Jacobs has an advantage in that he knows the offense. This system  
Victor in CT : 9/10/2013 9:54 am : link
is very difficult to pick up, especially on the fly. He might be able to help the Wilson and Scott learn proper pass pro technique. I am skeptical that he has much left from a running standpoint though. And he was frustratingly mediocre in short yardage situations.
I have very different memories of BJ than Big_Blue  
Scrub : 9/10/2013 10:01 am : link
He's still one of my favorites, and I would love to see him back. Yes it's true that he ran too high, and I never understood the Giants desire to have a BIG back be the short yardage guy. The D just packs it in, and stuffs the play. When you have a Tiki or Bradshaw running, the D has to cover the whole field. I always thought they were more effective than Jacobs or Dayne, or any other big back the Giants brought in.

For what we need, I would love Jacobs fire back, he can block, and he's a good enough receiver.
Brandon Jacobs? Why not Jim Brown?  
Phil in Joisey : 9/10/2013 10:07 am : link
Jim's about 77 years old now, but he probably has more left in the tank than Jacobs.
Put me in the camp that believes it's too early to flush David Wilson's career down the toilet. Put someone in to block on obvious passing downs, but come on, the Giants turned Tiki's career around let's work with Wilson and make him understand you don't struggle for an extra half yard when you're 8 yards shy of a first down.
Brandon Jacobs can't run for shit anymore.  
BeerFridge : 9/10/2013 10:13 am : link
But he can lock up a blitzing LB or stunting lineman and let Eli go down field to our WRs.
but he ran a 4.4  
Jon from PA : 9/10/2013 10:15 am : link
on only what I would assume to be a freshly calibrated iphone timer being operated by a unbiased 3rd party.
They need to take another good look at Tim Hightower.  
batman11 : 9/10/2013 10:19 am : link
Tough runner, good receiver and pass protector. Very good guy off the field. He has had some knee issues, but if he is healthy he may be an option.
Jacobs is coming back.  
Curtis in VA : 9/10/2013 10:19 am : link
Just a hunch but from his twitter comments and pictures it seems like he already knew before he got there today that it was his job to lose.

If his workout goes well, which I assume it will, he will be a Giant again. And of all the RB's available, he does make the most sense.
Wasn't Jacobs  
Mike L. : 9/10/2013 10:19 am : link
running very well in the last playoff run??? I remember him gashing Atlanta. Also, his chip blocks on DEs were amazing - no other back in the league is capable of that. He knows the offense, I can't see how anyone else out there could help right away more than Jacobs.
Come on Phil,  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 9/10/2013 10:32 am : link
Jacobs had over 150 carries two years ago on a superbowl team. He's not that old.

And in no way would bringing him in hurt Wilson's career with the Giants. We don't have a guy to plug in on obvious passing downs. Jacobs would be that guy.
Isn`t Tiki  
oldog : 9/10/2013 10:47 am : link
still interested.
Doomster  
blueblood'11 : 9/10/2013 10:59 am : link
If he can't block he will not be getting on the field. If he continues to fumble in critical situations like he did on Sunday night you might as well put him in moth balls. In baseball terms he has become a rally killer. The first fumble was a double play. It took them out of a scoring opportunity after Nicks' catch and run.

His second was a triple play. Not only does he kill that start of the drive and they recover, they also score on the play. He looked overwhelmed. How mad would you be if you were any other player on that team. I would be mad as hell. He has talent no doubt. But he keep this up people are going to start utter the is he a bust phrase.
Either McGahee or Jacobs would be fine  
HomerJones45 : 9/10/2013 11:00 am : link
assuming McGahee is healthy. He's a year older and double the wear and tear of Jacobs, but if the staff deems him healthy enough, he would be a welcome addition.

Some people have short memories. Jacobs' last year here he scroed 7 td's, averaged 3.8 a carry and ran for 32 first downs.

I know one thing: either of them would have hammered that DE down by the goal line instead of diving and missing.
Sure Wilson is trying to protect the ball  
PatersonPlank : 9/10/2013 11:04 am : link
the issue is he doesn't look like he can. He is now known as a fumbler, so you have 300 pound lineman going after the ball every game. He just doesn't seem strong enough to fight them off. If you can't hold onto the ball, you can't play running back.
He seemed strong enough last year to hold on to the ball through  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/10/2013 11:07 am : link
78 runs and separate from that, all the kick returns without dropping it.

Does a bad night mean weeks from last season don't matter?
Big mistake signing Jacobs  
Vegas Steve : 9/10/2013 12:38 pm : link
Hightower McGhee or even Hester are much better options
conor orr says workout went well  
Gordo : 9/10/2013 3:20 pm : link
Quote:
Hearing that Jacobs' workout went well, so stay tuned. - from Conort Orr

Vet RB to mentor Wilson?  
D HOS : 9/10/2013 3:31 pm : link
yea or nay? I say yea. Even if mentoring means being emotionally supportive, coaching up and encouraging. Collinsworth said it during the game right after I was thinking it too.
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