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Eli's last minute pass: Was it a good throw?

kinard : 9/12/2013 2:34 pm
I guess it has been hashed out on BBI and I apologize in advance if there was a thread (I searched and couldn't find one and I will delete if there was one).

I re-watched game again last night and still can't figure out if that was a catch Scott should have made. Ball came at him hard and was kind of behind him. Was Eli throwing to a spot where Scott was supposed to be? I heard some say that Scott didn't turn around quick enough but, even if he did, that ball came at him pretty fast.

I know, its yesterday's news but I'm still struggling with closure on this one. Does it come down to: A running back with good hands makes the catch?
I don't think it matters  
GiantFanInTX : 9/12/2013 2:35 pm : link
what kind of hands you have in that case simply because Scott never even turned around to see that the ball was coming. You can't catch it if you don't know it's coming. It's possible that Scott was the check down or "hot" read there since there was pressure, but who knows.
They're both at fault  
Giantology : 9/12/2013 2:36 pm : link
It looked  
pjcas18 : 9/12/2013 2:36 pm : link
like a tough catch under almost any circumstance, but because Scott wasn't turned around like apparently Collinsworth felt he should have been recognizing the blitz it became a near impossible catch and enabled the end result which was Scott gets a hand on it and tips it in the air leaving it up there for interception.

that's what I took from the comments at least.
communication issue confirmed by Eli  
shabu : 9/12/2013 2:37 pm : link
seemed communication issue and Eli confirmed this online... something like he thought Scott was going to sit there rather than go up field.

What scott should NOT have done is tried to catch a ball behind him and knock it up in the air, let it go and its incomplete.
early career Eli had a tendency to gun dump off passes  
Nitro : 9/12/2013 2:39 pm : link
at RBs - giving the 'stone hands' label perhaps unfairly to a few, I'm willing to put this on both of them.
Eli's the veteran in this situation.  
Phil in Joisey : 9/12/2013 2:39 pm : link
He should have been composed enough to throw the ball at Scott's ankles for an incompletion and move on to the next play.
bad call, bad execution, bad throw.  
Victor in CT : 9/12/2013 2:44 pm : link
that ball should never have been thrown. that play should never have been called.
It came out a little hot  
Joey in VA : 9/12/2013 2:46 pm : link
It's not something Eli does a good job with generally, risky play and bad result.
They ran  
Rob_MTL : 9/12/2013 2:48 pm : link
The Giants ran the same play at 9:48 4Q.
Eli was probably throwing to a spot  
Mayhap : 9/12/2013 3:01 pm : link
and the RB probably should have been in that spot, but that doesn't necessarily absolve Eli entirely.

Sometimes, Eli throws to a spot before the receiver makes his break, and in those situations if the receiver doesn't make the correct break and the ball is incomplete or intercepted, that's not really on Eli. But on both of those picked off screen passes, it seemed that Eli could and should have recognized that the RB wasn't in the correct spot and aborted the play instead of trying to force it.
Eli confirmed  
Spyder : 9/12/2013 3:21 pm : link
it was a hot read and Scott did not read the blitz. Eli should have used a little touch on the ball though.

Giants started the game with a bad screen, and they ended the game with a bad screen.

I say shelve it until everyone is on the same page.
Wrong play ...  
Mike in Raleigh : 9/12/2013 3:30 pm : link
at the wrong time ... would love to see some misdirection waggle passes from Eli (fake hand off right, roll-out left).

Bad play all the way around - IMO!!!
Eli has always struggled with the timing of screen passes  
Rjanyg : 9/12/2013 3:34 pm : link
that was a speed screen and yet I think he threw it a second to early. 2 turnovers on 2 screen plays. The difference in the game.
If Scott catches the ball, does the play go for many yards?  
oipolloi : 9/12/2013 4:03 pm : link
for those of you who have rewatched it.
GiantFanInTX : 9/12/2013 4:51 pm : link
The other 4 turnovers had a little bit to do with the outcome as well :-)
If Scott catches the ball....  
kinard : 9/12/2013 5:03 pm : link
... it looks like he can get 5-8 yards. If he breaks a tackle or two (there looked to b 2 Cowboys in the vicinity) its possibly a 20 yarder.
I he breaks a tackle.....  
Giantfan in skinland : 9/12/2013 5:12 pm : link
Giantfan in skinland : 9/12/2013 5:12 pm : link
There was no pressure on the play  
twostepgiants : 9/12/2013 5:19 pm : link
and no reason for eli to theow that ball there and so poorly
cheeseburger : 9/12/2013 5:35 pm : link
are america's rainbow team
Eli threw a bullet at a guy with his back turned to him  
wgenesis123 : 9/12/2013 6:52 pm : link
who was only a few steps away from Eli. There was almost no chance of anything good coming out of that play. Unless of course the tip had gone to a Giant player.
OK, now I've heard everything .....  
Manny in CA : 9/12/2013 11:59 pm : link
Not supposed to try and make a catch ?

I spoke to my son, last night about this, his take -

Scott & Eli read a blitz, so the best option is to catch the ball behind them as the LBs fly by, resulting in a big play. The problem - the LBs backed off and Scott is left with his back to the QB.

Eli throws the ball four feet behind Scott, who reaches for the ball and tips it into the Cowboy's hands - Game over.
If anyone had read  
dep026 : 9/13/2013 8:32 am : link
the post game transcripts from Scott/Eli, and still came across as blaming Eli - it's pretty clear they have an agenda.

Scott ran the wrong route, to the wrong spot, and never looked for the ball. When Eli doesnt take blame for an INT, you know something's up.
Wrong play? It wasn't the play call!  
Section331 : 9/13/2013 11:52 am : link
Eli checked down to it because of the blitz. Scott misread the defense, it happens, but if they're both on the same page it's a decent gain.
Eli said in the post game  
AnishPatel : 9/13/2013 12:07 pm : link
presser, he thought Scott was going to go and turn around for the ball, instead Scott was making a move, and when he did turn around the ball was there, and the rest is history.
I felt that Eli  
mrvax : 9/13/2013 12:49 pm : link
knew right away that Scott missed the blitz. Then Eli calculated that to get even with Scott, he'd have just enough time to nail him in the back of the head with the football at high speed just before Scott could turn around. Eli miscalculated that Scott would be able to get a hand up to block the ball.

That's how it looked to me.
Eli misread the play...  
Jan in DC : 9/13/2013 1:09 pm : link
he saw a blitz but both LBs dropped back into coverage after the snap. He still threw the hot read, so to me, that's the main problem with the play. If Eli had realized that there wasn't an actual blitz, he probably wouldn't have thrown it to Scott.
dep026 : 9/13/2013 1:15 pm : link
I think the Cowboys were blitzing, but once Eli audibled, Sean Lee audibled out of the blitz. It was too late for Eli to get back to the original play.

Scott ran the screen the wrong way, and since Eli was on a timing play, it was screwed up from the get go.
Jan in DC : 9/13/2013 1:48 pm : link
Probably. I still think the majority of the blame goes to Eli for his decision making process. But regardless, it was a shit route and a shit throw.
i cant blsme eli  
dep026 : 9/13/2013 1:51 pm : link
When Scott said he screwed up by doing eveythjng wrong.

Read post game transcripts. Very telling.
Looks like Eli was looking for Scott the whole time  
Geomon : 9/13/2013 3:09 pm : link
From that angle,  
Enoch : 9/13/2013 3:12 pm : link
my guess is that Eli was thinking "Oh shit, Boothe is already 5 yards downfield and about to block a guy-- I better unload this now to avoid the penalty."
It's bad timing  
Jerry in DC : 9/13/2013 3:18 pm : link
between the two of them. And a ridiculously unlucky bounce - that ball caromed a long way and right to the DB. Hard to say who's fault it was if it really even matters. Although if it were Romo making that play it would be strong evidence that he's a choker.

Really, it's the kind of interception that happens all the time in football. Slight miscommunication or mis-timing or slightly inaccurate throw that takes a bounce and gets picked. I'm sure it happened at least 5 times around the league this season already, probably more. There are a variety of things that can go wrong when you throw the ball. A few of them went wrong on that play. And sometimes those things result in picks.
Man, they had that play blocked pretty good  
Go Terps : 9/13/2013 3:51 pm : link
Could have been a big play.
To me  
Giantfan in skinland : 9/13/2013 4:29 pm : link
It's pretty clear.

Everyone involved (Eli, Scott, and Gillbride) have made reference to a sight adjustment that caused Eli to expect Scott to sit down right where he threw the ball. It's not just a timing thing. Scott is suppose to stop and turn right where the ball goes...not continue up the field. It looks like a bad throw because Eli is throwing to where he was. He starts to unload it in anticipation of Scott stopping and turning around and that's where the ball goes.

As I interpret Eli's response in that's almost like a Oh come on! What are you doing!?!!?" And then after the play...he gave a "Damn it. I can't believe he screwed that up!" (This is obviously just guessing...but taken with what I perceive his comments to mean...I don't think his response was frustration with himself).
Here's the post play reaction  
Giantfan in skinland : 9/13/2013 4:33 pm : link
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