there you go. Kudos to all those who said as much. I didn't think his injury was that bad. What's crazy is that Bradford will probably play this week, and not just on ST.
Hearing that Herzlich is our answer at MLB makes you want to go and buy a case of Tums before Sun. How is the guy still in the league is nothing short of mind boggling. He may have heart, but he has NO talent.
the Giants staff did bring in a bunch of linebackers. They figured they'd get at least 5 guys that could play on an "acceptable" level.
They were wrong this time. Curry would rather sit at home than play hard. Rivers will be on the injury report in no time. Maybe next year they could do a little more homework for the LB position.
The staff did an excellent job with the whole Dline. They did their best with the Oline. We were good in the backfield until Stevie Brown went to IR and Hill got suspended. You just can't win at every position.
when the injury happened, Jerry Jones' crap notwithstanding, he looked like he got rocked pretty good. When you hear the report, almost dismissively as "a burner", really doesn't give an indication on how serious they can be. The Giants, unlike some other teams (see the Broncos and Al Wilson) are very conservative around neck injuries and do their best to look out for the player (see Kiwi a few years ago).
For Herzlich, this is it, his make or break. If he doesn't show us that he can play, despite the inspirational story that he is, and his BC connections, he won't be on the roster. The coaches have liked him for a while, it's time to see if he can validate their faith. If not, I wonder if they try to give Boley a call back as well, he was playing some MLB last year for them as well.
We just cannot find good thumping LBs for this team. Connor actually resembled a halfway decent MLB. Of course he's done.
I know the philosophy is to build the lines and the DBs, and it's not a bad philosophy but it wouldn't hurt to bring in a legit and HEALTHY LB next season. Maybe even draft one...
we were counting on Curry, Rivers, and Connor.....even though Rivers can't stay on the field, Curry had been a bust, and Connor was no vast improvement over Blackburn....
But they are all huge gambles....and now we are paying for it....
Jacobs came back....is Boley the next man up? Is he even in shape?
In last week's game, I thought Paysinger played the best, if you want to call it that, of the linebackers that were out there...while Rivers is fast, he sucks against the run....
I sometimes wonder, if these young linebackers hesitate, because they are afraid to make a mistake....well, they don't have to worry about that anymore, they are all that we have and they will be sent out there no matter what....
At least we really get to see what we really have in this kid. If all fails, we will need to sign a big free agent next offseason. We no longer have time to develop such a key position on our defense.
I'm really ashamed to admit this but I can't think of the name of the mlb we brought back during 2011. He made the interception in the SB taking the ball from Gronkowski. Where is he now?
"mock draft" a DL before a LB. my 2 bits is the whole 'pile of new old guys' at DT...crowding out the rooks...aaand LB play in our scheme in general vs guys like whitten.
I would have drafted Khassim Greene. IMO he was a 3rd round talent and would have been a value pick at a need position. FYI tho early he has looked good in Chicago so far.
You keep doing the same thing, you get the same shitty results! There is no excuse for this at all, it's sickening. Glad we have 1 Dlinemen though. Now maybe we can put Kiwi, a horrendous linebacker there to make Reese look like he knows what he is doing. Watch what Peyton does to this defense.
I don't think it's out of the question that we could have maneuvered and found some money to make that kind of room. Considering the pile of shit that we've had at LB, it'd been nice to pony up and bring in a guy like him.
Days like today get me all pissed off again that we took Jernigan one pick ahead of Tampa taking Mason Foster in 2011, as if his 8 tackles and 2 sacks against the Jets on Sunday wasn't enough.
you're probably right they can always make it work if they really want to, just looking back though he did sign for 3 times as much as the LB they signed, and I think most people feel Dansby is better than Connor, so if it wasn't cash hard to explain.
I can't believe Dansby would opt for Arizona over the Giants, but he picked Miami over the Giants, so who knows, maybe he just doesn't want to play here (despite what his father may have claimed)
It's been a serious problem before, like in 2009 when they took a QB and two CBs who never even made the team instead of getting the Safety they desperately needed. So they were signing Safeties off the streets by mid-season. I won't even mention the H-Back/TE who didn't fit any need they had that year.
Or 2010 when they took a punter that - naw I don't even want to go there.....
And it's still a problem. Nassib cost them a 4th and a 6th that could have been used on badly needed OL and LB help. At least they would have had a couple more warm bodies instead of a uniform on the bench who will probably never play a meaningful down for them and won't be flipped for anything because he won't have a chance to play.
But Dansby only got slightly over 2M for 1 year. I have a hard time believing we couldn't free up ~1.5M somehow. Especially for a superior player who doesn't miss many games.
Oh well. For whatever reason it didn't happen. Sucks for us.
Is that what we'd save if we cut him outright? Diehl's $1m plus the vet minimum we're paying Connor might have helped us cross the finish line with Dansby.
Atlanta police station and pleaded guilty to child abuse. Seems very likely that the Giants cut him over that.
Some say that his play fell off badly last year. Maybe so, although I didn't notice it. He played in every game, had his usual number of tackles along with three picks. He was better than any other LB we had on the roster.
Anyway, there is no chance the Giants bring him back. Bengals worked him out a few days ago but apparently nothing came of it.
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A.J. Edds
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At LB, our starters would be backups on a lot of other teams. Our backups would not play on other teams. We seem to be giving Reese a pass since 2007 because he had a nice draft that year?
Can someone please explain "In Reese we trust"? Where does all of this trust come from?
Hate the play. Watching the Cowboys taps of him on Game Rewind was just plain ugly.
Oddly, a lot of it really does seem to be mental with him - he plays like a spaz (and not in a good way). Couple that with not being extremely athletic and it's not the best combination.
Giants' really screwed up when their first actions after last
season ended was to cut Boley and Blackburn (although Boley might have been cut because of pleading guilty to child abuse). They are both better than what we have now.
Blackburn not the big run-stuffing hulk you look for at MLB, but maybe that not so important with the defensive tackles we added.
Chase was smart and had a nose for the ball. It would probably surprise a lot of people to hear that in 2012 he led the Giants in total tackles, had one interception and five forced fumbles.
two are not enough. You have to ask yourself what more this team could have done if we managed the personnel better. If our O-line has not been this bad for the past 4 years. If we had Linebackers that were legit starters. Maybe we would have never missed the playoffs since 2007 and possibly won another title.
You can feel satisfied if you want. I dont...i want more
As others have said, he may not have been Harry Carson, but he had a nose for the ball and made plays. I have been completely unimpressed by Connor. J-A-G. Herzlich is even worse.
This situation highlights the stupidity of the Nassib move. Giving up an extra pick, wasting a 4th rounder on a position that at this time did not need to be addressed. Had they stood pat, Khaseem Greene (BBI fave), Sean Porter and Gerald Hodges were all available. The 6th rounder they gave up could have landed Vince Williams, who made the Steelers.
In Connor, Herzlich, Rivers et al we know what we have: Mediocrity at best, incompetence at worst.
I don't pretend to know what kind of pros they might become. I do know that QB was not a pressing need and LB was. Williams (6th rounder)actually made the Steelers. Greene has received very favorable reviews thus far with the Bears. Porter made the Bengals but hurt his shoulder and was IR'd. Hodges made the Vikings. So, every one of the 4 made his respective team, each of whom has better LBs than the Giants do. Nassib has been unimpressive, and if Eli ever went down the season would be over anyway. 2 wasted picks to get a player who they pray won't have to play.
knew his position, but unspectacular, which is the best of what we had.
He's a starter on any team that doesn't have a pro-bowl guy in front of him. His failing has always been his health, and we shouldn't have relied on him.
when we went into 2012 with him as a starter, we saw right away that he cannot play full time.
I didn't think that Blackburn was going to find another NFL job, But the Panthers, who are strong at LB, signed him as a reserve and he was active for their first game.
I think he is being a little underrated by some, but I don't watch all the coaches' film. And who thought they would not draft or sign an upgrade for the position?
If blackburn were here, he'd be a starter. In carolina, he's just part of the group.
We've seen that movie already. He's great on special teams, he's a good team guy, but asking him to play that much is putting him in an unfair situation.
this is as disasterous as it seems. I liked Connor, thought he would do a decent job. But i don't think the drop off between him and Herzlich is that much.
That being said, I think they go w/ the 5 DB set w/ Mundy, Rolle, TT, Ross (Or Prince if available) & Webster more often than not, especially against a pass heavy offense.
Jon, if I was vague, apologies. I don't expect a 4th rounder to start
as a rookie. However, I do think it makes more sense to keep a guy like Blackburn who knows the D and whose strengths and weaknesses are known as your stop gap rather than sign a Connor type. Blackburn could then help groom a Green or some other young player.
The team viewed Connor as a significant upgrade, a player they've liked since college. They viewed him as a safe get, and he was improving weekly. Unfortunately, once again he's dinged.
Hopefully Connor's injury isn't career threatening. I always remember how AP had to cut short his career due to a neck problem.
Sucks.
based on prior workouts.. or perhaps we elevate a linebacker from our practice squad..
we'll see..
Herzlich is not an NFL LBer. We'd better hope we can catch lightning in a bottle with someone else. We're going to be running a LOT of big nickel.
They were wrong this time. Curry would rather sit at home than play hard. Rivers will be on the injury report in no time. Maybe next year they could do a little more homework for the LB position.
The staff did an excellent job with the whole Dline. They did their best with the Oline. We were good in the backfield until Stevie Brown went to IR and Hill got suspended. You just can't win at every position.
For Herzlich, this is it, his make or break. If he doesn't show us that he can play, despite the inspirational story that he is, and his BC connections, he won't be on the roster. The coaches have liked him for a while, it's time to see if he can validate their faith. If not, I wonder if they try to give Boley a call back as well, he was playing some MLB last year for them as well.
We just cannot find good thumping LBs for this team. Connor actually resembled a halfway decent MLB. Of course he's done.
I know the philosophy is to build the lines and the DBs, and it's not a bad philosophy but it wouldn't hurt to bring in a legit and HEALTHY LB next season. Maybe even draft one...
But they are all huge gambles....and now we are paying for it....
Jacobs came back....is Boley the next man up? Is he even in shape?
In last week's game, I thought Paysinger played the best, if you want to call it that, of the linebackers that were out there...while Rivers is fast, he sucks against the run....
I sometimes wonder, if these young linebackers hesitate, because they are afraid to make a mistake....well, they don't have to worry about that anymore, they are all that we have and they will be sent out there no matter what....
The injury thing is getting old with this team. Every season
(sarcasm off)
holy crap.
why?
:)
Maybe being out of the league could change his mind, but I'd be surprised.
Someone would have needed to be cut to make that happen.
I can't believe Dansby would opt for Arizona over the Giants, but he picked Miami over the Giants, so who knows, maybe he just doesn't want to play here (despite what his father may have claimed)
Or 2010 when they took a punter that - naw I don't even want to go there.....
And it's still a problem. Nassib cost them a 4th and a 6th that could have been used on badly needed OL and LB help. At least they would have had a couple more warm bodies instead of a uniform on the bench who will probably never play a meaningful down for them and won't be flipped for anything because he won't have a chance to play.
Oh well. For whatever reason it didn't happen. Sucks for us.
Brandon Jacobs
Some say that his play fell off badly last year. Maybe so, although I didn't notice it. He played in every game, had his usual number of tackles along with three picks. He was better than any other LB we had on the roster.
Anyway, there is no chance the Giants bring him back. Bengals worked him out a few days ago but apparently nothing came of it.
Takeo Spikes
Bradie James
Larry Grant (suspended three more games)
Barrett Ruud
Demorrio Williams (WLB in 4-3/ILB in 3-4)
Kirk Morrison
Zac Diles
Gary Guyton
Omar Gaither (WLB in 4-3)
Niko Koutouvides
Tavares Gooden
Mike Peterson (SLB)
Jamar Chaney
Tim Shaw
Brandon Siler
A.J. Edds
Brendon Ayanbadejo
Ricky Brown
Keyaron Fox
Travis Goethel
Tyrone McKenzie
Leon Williams
Kenny Onatolu (OLB in 4-3)
Brandon Johnson
Doug Hogue
L.J. Fort
D.J. Smith
Stevenson Sylvester
Ryan Rau
Josh Hull
Phillip Dillard
Greg Lloyd
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Cap Savings - $6,903,125
Dead Money - $2,078,125
Cap Savings - $4,825,000
This is it after:
Cap Savings - $3,125,000
Dead Money - $2,325,000
Cap Savings - $800,000
Can someone please explain "In Reese we trust"? Where does all of this trust come from?
Oddly, a lot of it really does seem to be mental with him - he plays like a spaz (and not in a good way). Couple that with not being extremely athletic and it's not the best combination.
Blackburn not the big run-stuffing hulk you look for at MLB, but maybe that not so important with the defensive tackles we added.
Chase was smart and had a nose for the ball. It would probably surprise a lot of people to hear that in 2012 he led the Giants in total tackles, had one interception and five forced fumbles.
You can feel satisfied if you want. I dont...i want more
This situation highlights the stupidity of the Nassib move. Giving up an extra pick, wasting a 4th rounder on a position that at this time did not need to be addressed. Had they stood pat, Khaseem Greene (BBI fave), Sean Porter and Gerald Hodges were all available. The 6th rounder they gave up could have landed Vince Williams, who made the Steelers.
I don't pretend to know what kind of pros they might become. I do know that QB was not a pressing need and LB was. Williams (6th rounder)actually made the Steelers. Greene has received very favorable reviews thus far with the Bears. Porter made the Bengals but hurt his shoulder and was IR'd. Hodges made the Vikings. So, every one of the 4 made his respective team, each of whom has better LBs than the Giants do. Nassib has been unimpressive, and if Eli ever went down the season would be over anyway. 2 wasted picks to get a player who they pray won't have to play.
He's a starter on any team that doesn't have a pro-bowl guy in front of him. His failing has always been his health, and we shouldn't have relied on him.
I didn't think that Blackburn was going to find another NFL job, But the Panthers, who are strong at LB, signed him as a reserve and he was active for their first game.
I think he is being a little underrated by some, but I don't watch all the coaches' film. And who thought they would not draft or sign an upgrade for the position?
If blackburn were here, he'd be a starter. In carolina, he's just part of the group.
We've seen that movie already. He's great on special teams, he's a good team guy, but asking him to play that much is putting him in an unfair situation.
You're viewing this through your own prism, too. Perhaps a touch of bias involved.
That being said, I think they go w/ the 5 DB set w/ Mundy, Rolle, TT, Ross (Or Prince if available) & Webster more often than not, especially against a pass heavy offense.