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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/15/2013 4:17 pm
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we will be fine  
BigBlue2112 : 9/15/2013 7:48 pm : link
not too worried. Broncos are one hell of a team.

eli is great he will straighten himself out. wilson apparently knows how to hold onto the ball. WR's are great. Defense will be better once JPP is ready which should be soon.
the ony two defesinve plays  
bc4life : 9/15/2013 7:48 pm : link
that really pissed me off were the td runs - outside of that they played fairly well.
Baas  
BigBlueCane : 9/15/2013 7:48 pm : link
was a mistake as a FA. I understand the intent since other Free Agent OL had worked out but he isn't going to IMO. This where passing on Unger and some other OL in favor of skill position players is hurting.
we could  
bc4life : 9/15/2013 7:49 pm : link
have won this game - left plays and points on the field
wasnt baas the center  
bc4life : 9/15/2013 7:50 pm : link
on our super bowl team
If we're going to be bad this year  
dpinzow : 9/15/2013 7:50 pm : link
at least this is a good year to be bad because this draft is probably the best in a decade
1 game out of first place  
deadkurtrulz : 9/15/2013 7:51 pm : link
and everybody is crying. Yes the Giants look bad but so does the rest of our division.Giants will go as far as Eli and offense can take them but they need to eliminate the mistakes.
...  
Toth029 : 9/15/2013 7:51 pm : link
Players decline, age and health. Baas and Snee are hurting the protection.
We  
AcidTest : 9/15/2013 7:51 pm : link
also really need to question the complexity of this offense. Eli has 150 INTs since entering the league in 2004, more than anyone else. We've all been watching for years, and seen way too many INTs because Eli and his receiver were not "on the same page." We saw several more today.

it takes too long for newcomers to the team, whether rookies or FAs, to learn the offense and therefore be able to contribute. Other teams just don't seem to have as many miscommunications. The refusal to simplify the offense is more stubbornness. This time from Gilbride.
We can not run the ball  
ada34ada : 9/15/2013 7:51 pm : link
Its pretty simple. Eli wont last the season.
bc  
chris r : 9/15/2013 7:51 pm : link
SB teams can have shitty overpaid players.
Don't use baas as a scapegoat  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/15/2013 7:52 pm : link
Everybody on the inside of the line sucked from boothe to snee.

I expect more from boothe.

Snee is still shot.
This is a new  
Burt in Alameda : 9/15/2013 7:53 pm : link
low point in Giants' history. This game was the worst in-season defeat in a long time. It was hard to watch-- on offense no run blocking at all and, if there was, no one to run the ball, Eli throwing four interceptions, and receivers tripping over themselves on the field. On defense, no pass rush and . . . . Two consecutive losses and really no prospects for playing better. Thank god, the division is so bad.
LBers  
Gmen108021 : 9/15/2013 7:53 pm : link
Our LBers are a fucking joke...broncis run game is average and they scored twice from outside of 20 yards on ground. Herzlich is blocked into tge stands every play paysinger wiffed on tackle on punt return. Tour starting lbers start on special teams cause tgey are special teamers not starting lbers. If herzlich just jumps on the ball instead of trying to pick it up game coulda been different we have ball on 35 goin in down 1our defense outside of lbers isnt to bad. Peyton is tough!
This is not a bad football team  
Sammo284 : 9/15/2013 7:53 pm : link
But it has some significant issues that I fear will not be able to be fixed or addressed this year.

I think we're probably headed for a 7-9 season. Hate to say it, but I feel it coming.

snee and baas  
bc4life : 9/15/2013 7:54 pm : link
old and coming off off-season surgery
The ugly STILL list  
GloryDayz : 9/15/2013 7:54 pm : link
Still turning the ball over
Still cant block
Still cant run
Still cant score from in the red zone, well not w/o the refs help
Still cant convert on 3rd & short
How  
PaulN : 9/15/2013 7:54 pm : link
Does anyone call this game winnable, HOW? If we played 10 times better we could win, what the fuck does that even mean? To watch Eli at this point in his career, play like this says that there is something seriously wrong on this team. Does it take a fucking rocket scientist to understand this offense, or are we simply just a poor team that we fans have overvalued by a ton, because this is unwatchable football. One player after the other getting hurt, no toughness at all on this team, we spend all our money on the DLINE and they stink! Unreal how bad this team is, I knew there was no way we would win, but at least compete!
Yeah  
AcidTest : 9/15/2013 7:55 pm : link
the LBs are bad, but they didn't cost us the game today. Paysinger actually played well. The secondary was decent as well. We are just a one dimensional offensive team. You can't win without a running game, even though this is a passing league.
Denver is a really good team  
Peter from CT : 9/15/2013 7:55 pm : link
After today, I would be surprised if they aren't in the meadowlands in December.

That said, you can't compete with them if you are going to make a lot of mistakes. Too many of those.

The interior of the offensive line needs to start playing together. They were wiffing on the stunts. Can't run with penetration up the middle on every run.

JPP doesn't look like the same player. The defensive ends generally were invisible.

The Giants played a good half. Too bad its a two half game.
David Wilson  
Logan56 : 9/15/2013 7:56 pm : link
So....can't blame Wislon for all their turnovers again. After today, I see why the Giants aren't using him (Sarcasm). We're cutting our nose to spite our face. Going to be long season watching Scott and Jacobs run the ball. 5-11 is my guess.

On the positive side, how long until Diehl comes back to shore up the line, lmao....
This product is all Jerry Reese's doing  
bryan from nj : 9/15/2013 7:56 pm : link
The GM does not believe that LB is an important enough position to draft quality players. So you think we'd be a better team if we had the SF LBs (Wilson, Bowman and Brooks).

As far as the OL, Snee should be but tomorrow but he's Coughlin's son-in-law. Baas can barely stand straight up. Beatty and Boothe have career back-up talent.

Its time for the Mara's to reboot while Eli is still young. Coaching staff and GM need to go.
This offense is about as sloppy and mindless  
Exit 172 : 9/15/2013 7:56 pm : link
as any I've seen in the Coughlin/Eli era. Turnovers galore, dropped passes, tripping and falling in the open field, completely whiffing on blocks. You name the brutal mistake, and this offense can and will commit it.
Broncos can be had  
bc4life : 9/15/2013 7:57 pm : link
if Giants had been able to mount any running game they could have won. Denver far from unbeatable
Failing Grades  
MauiYankee : 9/15/2013 7:57 pm : link
Pass Rush: F

Running Game: f-

Special Teams: D

Ellie Mae: C- (the Sanchize!!)

O-Line: C- (Hey Ellie Mae survived didn't he?)

Linebackers: Did they show up today? No Grade cuz I'm not sure they were there.

Secondary: B+

Center play: C (Ellie Mae spent the day bowing most of the time to the centers' rear end.)
acid?  
Gmen108021 : 9/15/2013 7:58 pm : link
Paysinger? Played well? Wat gane were u watching he was covering thonas on TD he wiffed on punt TD he is average at best...we have 0 quality starting LBers on roster yet we draft a QB in 4th round lol
Since when was "C-" a failing grade?  
Sarcastic Sam : 9/15/2013 7:58 pm : link
Grade inflation is ruining America....
Ellie Mae?  
G2 : 9/15/2013 8:00 pm : link
Fuck you.
You saw Paysinger play well?  
SethFromAstoria : 9/15/2013 8:00 pm : link
He was so amazingly awful. Williams equally as bad.
Paysinger sucks!!!!  
prdave73 : 9/15/2013 8:00 pm : link
Don't even go there.. Only reason he is playing in the NFL is cuz the Giants have absolutely no LB's in this team!! smh really.. Paysinger?? no team would pick up this guy believe that..
2 problems we have  
SBlue46 : 9/15/2013 8:00 pm : link
1/Fewell is stopping run as priority and playing prevent D..
unless we get to QB especially Peyton he'll eat you up..
2/ KG has no run game partly because his run plays suck
and our Oline sucks..good on pass blocking but not run
blocking..as in most years..we are blaming running backs..
This is all coaching..
Eli looks frustrated...he has been making some bad throws
but it looks like he is under pressure and game plan blows..
so we need a pass rush and a running game...I dont think the
coaches get it and will change much..look for an ugly win
next week or another sloppy lose...this team is doomed
1.2 yards per carry  
TomMac : 9/15/2013 8:00 pm : link
Parcels would start calling the O line the 1.2 boys. But since they have no pride would not do TC any good.
Miserable showing...  
BBurns : 9/15/2013 8:01 pm : link
The Defense is not half bad when Peyton is at the top of
his game you can only hope to minimize the damage .
Ors Linebackers are the worst group in the NFL and
its not even close they STINK .
Offensive Line can't run block and it almost always gives up a pressure on third down . We need to send the st two rounds
on them in next years draft and look for Two LB's in FA .
I like having BJ back I think he will help I would have
no problem letting Scott go for McGahee .
Hats off to Terrel Thomas what a gutsy game even after the
\Kill shot Moreno put on him . I don't like Myers much
at all . Maybe Donnell can help down the road .
Whats up with JPP..???
Nice, all the troll alts and jets and eagle fan accounts have crawled  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/15/2013 8:01 pm : link
Out of the woodwork.
The book is on the table  
TheDream88 : 9/15/2013 8:02 pm : link
10 years if same offense... Teams know our scheme, time to change.
Giants defense resembled  
JoefromPa : 9/15/2013 8:02 pm : link
the defense that was last in the league in 3rd down defense, combined with an aging offensive line, that hasn't been able to move people of the ball for the past 3 seasons, yes even the Super Bowl winning season, makes for a non-competitive team

Going back to last season, 3 of the last Giants 5 games, have been blow out losses.
we're only 1 game behind  
Bake54 : 9/15/2013 8:04 pm : link
still some time.
how about  
Gmen108021 : 9/15/2013 8:04 pm : link
Randle? He secures ball we have a TD early n a lead...settle for FG I took brown in all my FF leaguea cause giants cant score in red zone...
The D has played well enough to win...  
drkenneth : 9/15/2013 8:05 pm : link
This is a BIG TIME offensive issue.
Pass Rush also very ineffective.......  
Simms11 : 9/15/2013 8:05 pm : link
We will not win without the PR and our Passing game in synch. Regardless of other poor facets, we can win if we have a good pass rush and passing game. We've done it before, but those facets are not even working.
We need to wait  
Sammo284 : 9/15/2013 8:06 pm : link
and see how things grade out over the season, but the run game is clearly an issue that's magnified by a mediocre to poor offensive line.

O-Line will have to be a huge priority in the offseason in the draft and FA perhaps. I'd also like to see us bring in a solid TE mix. I'm not that impressed with Myers in this offense. Some of the "but wait" on Myers from a few Raiders fans seem to be accurate in terms of speed/skill deficiency and how he opens things up or in all honesty, doesn't.

I think letting Nicks go would be fine as long as the draft is used to add another potential receiver in the depth chart and the savings/money is allocated over several areas.

This team while not being bad, does have a lot of problem areas. Reese has his work cut out for him.

I honestly can't get a good read on the defense other than the fact that the pass rush hasn't been there yet and if it doesn't come, it's going to be a big problem. The coverage hasn't been awful and the secondary has played fairly well in spite of the issues on the front 7.
I'm predicting 5-3  
CT Charlie : 9/15/2013 8:06 pm : link
after six weeks. Denver is one of the top 3 teams in the NFL, and if not for some bizarre individual plays, we could have been up by a lot at halftime.
That fumble by Randle  
SethFromAstoria : 9/15/2013 8:07 pm : link
was one of the worst mistakes possible. You fumble on the 1 foot line and cost your team 4 points? We got lucky to get any because of a penalty on them. amazing.
non-competitive games  
NewBlue : 9/15/2013 8:07 pm : link
Are becoming too common place around here.
one more thing about the D  
SethFromAstoria : 9/15/2013 8:08 pm : link
you can say they played ok at times but do you see even a flicker of intensity? Do they look angry and desperate to win? They look like a bunch of soft slow bitches.
The only question at this point is  
SHO'NUFF : 9/15/2013 8:11 pm : link
do we select Clowney or a stud O-lineman? we need both.
Moore  
Marty866b : 9/15/2013 8:11 pm : link
I realize that he's only played snaps in the first preseason game but camp reports suggested that he was doing well as a pass rusher. Would it have hurt to try him some today? Kiwi,Tuck,and JPP have been GOD AWFUL rushing the passer. JPP coming off a mediocre season and injury has me very concerned. I thought he was going to have a great career. Now?
Simms  
BBurns : 9/15/2013 8:12 pm : link
I agree bu you need a Linebacker or two who can blitz cover and tackle we have none .
Biggest problem is the guy that looked like the next
coming of Reggie White is riding the Pine .
Tuck has bounced back some and WTF happened to the promising
rookie ????? Da Monster ..?
While frustrated  
jpennyva : 9/15/2013 8:12 pm : link
because, as others have said, both this game and last week's were winnable, I expected them to lose both and still go 10-6. But the thing that concerns me is that they looked so ill-prepared. Did they watch any footage last week? They were lucky that 1) Welker had a horrible game making so many drops and 2) that Denver had so many penalties. It could have been much, much worse.

I am just relieved that the rest of the division also lost.
We have to get a running game going  
PatersonPlank : 9/15/2013 8:14 pm : link
if we don't the defenses will blitz, and Manning will have to continue throwing all over the place to move the ball. Right now our offense is like a high-wire act, everything is way down the field and high risk.
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